Hello guys, I have been doing a ton of research here. I have seen alot of people writing in about the Edge Juice with Attitude and the Banks systems lately both good and bad. If you had to choose between these two which one would you choose the Banks or the Edge Juice with Attitude? The Banks would be the one with the PDA. My dealer is frowning on the other setups a little and said they have no problem with either of these two being on the truck.

This question has been asked sevral times I guess it depends on the price difference, and personal preference. Its like asking which do you like better Coke or Pepsi?

As for me I considered the Banks but, ended up w/ the Edge because I bought used for $400 and it was only 30 days old.

If I were You I would recommend EFI Live due to the fact that it cost less than both Banks and Edge. Plus you can modify 200+ parameters w/ EFI. There's a whole Forum on EFI you can read. Not to mention EFI Live has there own Forum, with Support Techs on there site.

PS fill out your SIGNATURE so members can tell what truck you are driving and will be able to determine what product might be applicable for you're truck.

Thanks for the quick reply, I figured there isnt a clear cut winner, I was only looking for some opinions really. I havent considered the efi live alt all and will take a closer look.

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What engine do you have?

I have an LLY and was really happy with the Edge EZ. You may want to do some research on the Predator 2.02; a very popular tuner among DP members. :)

I have had both. I really think they are both great products. The edge has the smoke advantage for sure, but Banks does not want the smoke factor. I like the sixgun because it is upgradable by the internet & you do not have to send it in to upgrade it. The pda is way nicer then the additude also. I think the six-gun shifts way nicer then the attitude. The juice was great in levels 1 - 3, but level 4 the shift were really bad. I thought the edge was faster until I raced a buddy that had the juice & I beat him bad. The six-gun shifts so smooth that it feels slower then what it really is. You can also do some custom changes on it in level "sl" also. The sixgun has an egr defeat system built right into it also so there is not need for the finger stick. I vote for the six-gun.

I have had both. I really think they are both great products. The edge has the smoke advantage for sure, but Banks does not want the smoke factor. I like the sixgun because it is upgradable by the internet & you do not have to send it in to upgrade it. The pda is way nicer then the additude also. I think the six-gun shifts way nicer then the attitude. The juice was great in levels 1 - 3, but level 4 the shift were really bad. I thought the edge was faster until I raced a buddy that had the juice & I beat him bad. The six-gun shifts so smooth that it feels slower then what it really is. You can also do some custom changes on it in level "sl" also. The sixgun has an egr defeat system built right into it also so there is not need for the finger stick. I vote for the six-gun.

Really?

The Six Gun has the ability to disable the EGR?

What about on models with California emissions?

LLY's too?

They do not advertise the egr feature, but yes it does. It fools the egr. but does not disable the EGR. It does need a working egr, but you do not need the finger stick they for the codes. They have it for the lly, but make sure you order the lly one. I think the pins are different for the lly model. It is for off road use only. :)

Hey Crashnburn do you find that the Banks is more trouble free than the Edge? I have done alot of research and it seems that so many people have complained here about some issues with both. I am a believer in people that have a good experience with a product tend to not share that as much as those that have had a bad experience. I see you have had both and i figured you might be one of the best to get an opinion from based on that alone.

Hey Crashnburn do you find that the Banks is more trouble free than the Edge? I have done alot of research and it seems that so many people have complained here about some issues with both. I am a believer in people that have a good experience with a product tend to not share that as much as those that have had a bad experience. I see you have had both and i figured you might be one of the best to get an opinion from based on that alone.


I have heard that some people have had some issue/glitches with both units. I have not had a problem with either unit, except my turbo timer stopped working on the edge, but they did replace that unit right away. It looks like Banks is releasing there update sometime this week for the small percentage of people that had a problem. Just a download to fix it. I know one thing that I like & that if the banks would stop working that your truck would run in stock mode rather then just shut down when you are running like the edge unit. Again, I have not had that problem. I am not sure if they have that problem fixed or not, but I have heard horror stories in the past. If you do go with the Bank sixgun, go with the universal window suction mount. If you order it with you system it is only like $35ish more. That mount is sweet.

I dont like that you have to buy the PDA separate with the Banks...

Why??? I think that is a great idea. What if you already have the pda? What if you just want the knob, instead. Why pay extra for things you have or do not want? Banks sells it cheaper if you do not want those things. You can order the pda from banks also, if you want to order it all together.

But you need the PDA for the highest power level.

Heres my logic.

Black smoke means rich condition or unburnt fuel.

The Banks does a great job of making power while keeping the smoke to near none.

The Edge however smokes like a chimney...getting to 90 some % opacity according to Banks own tests.

These tests were done on a stock engine setup.

Heres my take on the two.

If I had the Banks, it would make great use of my stock motor and make great power with it. Thus no smoke.

Now the Edge on the other hand would make not so great of use on my stock motor and smoke a lot due to excessive fuel.

What I'm getting at is that if I owned the Edge and added an intake and exhaust to add a little air to the mix, it would greatly reduce the smoke and thus dramatically increase my performance due to a more optimized air/fuel mixture.

I don't think this would be so with the Banks since it is mated to the stock motor and to the stock airflow so well.

Heres my logic.

Black smoke means rich condition or unburnt fuel.

The Banks does a great job of making power while keeping the smoke to near none.

The Edge however smokes like a chimney...getting to 90 some % opacity according to Banks own tests.

These tests were done on a stock engine setup.

Heres my take on the two.

If I had the Banks, it would make great use of my stock motor and make great power with it. Thus no smoke.

Now the Edge on the other hand would make not so great of use on my stock motor and smoke a lot due to excessive fuel.

What I'm getting at is that if I owned the Edge and added an intake and exhaust to add a little air to the mix, it would greatly reduce the smoke and thus dramatically increase my performance due to a more optimized air/fuel mixture.

I don't think this would be so with the Banks since it is mated to the stock motor and to the stock airflow so well.


Where are your facts on that one? If the Banks wanted more smoke do you not think they could do that do? Edge likes to sell the smoke factor & Banks likes to sell the non-smoke factor. The both sell to the majority of the stock tranny people. Just ask either company. The stock tranny people are there bread & butter. People that want more power are going to go with hptuners or efi live or maybe ppe also.

Yea if banks wanted to they could, but they chose to mate their setup with a stock engine, not one with the increased flow of an intake and exhaust.

ive got a edge w/attitude hot code unlocked i would like to get rid of i want to give efi live a chance.

Can you switch EFILive maps on the fly?

Thanks for all the responses. This is great information. Do you guys feel that the Banks unit works best with the other banks products or is that the usual marketing hype. I am going to be adding a exhaust and intake probably and was leaning towards MBRP and the AFE stuff. If the banks tuners work best with there other products I may even consider them. The place I am getting the MBRP mentioned to me that all of the exhausts they carry, including banks, are priced similar.

My buddy has the complete setup now & he loves it. I just have the six-gun & the ram air kit. Someday I want to get their dual exhaust. It sounds & looks sweet.:)

the dual cat back exhaust looks great, but i didnt notice much noise difference when i put mine on. i did notice a little more power on the top end and slightly better mileage.

This is great information. Do you guys feel that the Banks unit works best with the other banks products or is that the usual marketing hype.


My personal opinion is it's hype. Tomorrow I'm getting 5" MBRP exhaust. Next I'll do Banks with PDA if I hear that the new update is working better. As for air it seems from the study done on this site that the stock airbox is the best. I don't know if Banks Ram Air was tested but there is 1 unknown brand that was tested...maybe it was Banks.

Thanks for the feedback. I see you are also in N.J. is there a place that you know of in this state that supports and works on diesel trucks that have modifications? I have searched around and alot have just been performance shops and no techs that can work on anything.

YES you can switch EFI using DSP2 and DSP5 selector knobs. Don't know for sure if you can do it on the fly, but I imagine you could! Still FACT remains EFI is cheaper and more versitile.

I too want to ditch my Edge for EFI and will very soon!

We don't have DSP2 or DSP5 available for LBZ/LMM. Their development is a whole new ball game given it's a Bosch ECM. It is something that will be looked into in the future.

EFILive at $749 is pretty well placed in the market, but it becomes considerably more attractive knowing you can tune up to 221 vehicles on the 1 handheld. The first 2 vehicles are included with purchase, and additional licenses can be purchased for $99 each. Supported vehicles are linked in my sig and covers LS1, LS2 and variants, Vortec and most late model GM vehicles.

Cheers
Cindy

Thanks for all the responses. This is great information. Do you guys feel that the Banks unit works best with the other banks products or is that the usual marketing hype. I am going to be adding a exhaust and intake probably and was leaning towards MBRP and the AFE stuff. If the banks tuners work best with there other products I may even consider them. The place I am getting the MBRP mentioned to me that all of the exhausts they carry, including banks, are priced similar.Your truck will work just as well with an MBRP and AFE as it would with Banks stuff. It's just marketing trying to get you to buy their brand of stuff. Personally, I wouldn't waste my money on an intake unless you're going for looks and sound. The stock flows and filters very well. It's is plenty for the typical Duramax. The only reason I see to change it is if you're running a large turbo.

I have never rode in a Banks truck that has impressed me. IMO For the money...not worth it. You can build a much meaner set up for ALOT less and you will like your truck better.

Since I have installed the banks ram air setup. I have notice my turbo spools faster. I waiting for the super scope to come out.

are you wanting to change to efi from edge because of poor quality or just to have the multi tunes available?

Wanting to change because w/ EFI I have more controll on what my truck can do. I could make it blow smoke or not. Tune it for MPG or Drag racing. Turn off the speed limiter which the Edge does not. I'm not saying Edge is a bad product I've had no problems at all out of my Edge! EFI V2 is cheaper than Edge/ w ***. or Banks w/ PDA, and can simply accomplish more, not to mention I could use it on several different models instead of just one!

Didn't realize DSP2/5 wasn't available for newer models yet! Guess I've been stuck in the stoneage w/ my LB7, lol! Any Idea when they will have something like that for them?

What is DSP2 and DSP5?

From what I've read its a selector switch you mount in the cab of your truck.It allows you to store more than one tune at a time and you can turn the knob to select which tune you wish to use. DSP2 allows 2 tunes to be stored and DSP5 allows up to 5 tunes to be stored. Atleast this is my understanding. Someone chime in if I'm incorrect on this!

You are right, but it is not availible on the lbz's or the lmm's so it is a mute point.

Since I have installed the banks ram air setup. I have notice my turbo spools faster. I waiting for the super scope to come out.
same here- for me it was not hype, it made a noticible difference

As long as you're happy. I've just yet to see any hard data to back up the claims aftermarket intakes make. Unfortunatly human perception and factual data aren't always the same. Maybe you guys can go to the track and do some back to back testing to see what kind of gains you get over stock with your Banks Ram Air intake.

Yea just noticed he got the sig filled in, my bad:banghead:

Although SSchmi5519 was inquiring about it as well and he has an lly, so maybe I helped someone afterall?

I would love to get to the track, but right now I do want to take 3 young girls there. I have just been to busy. If I do I will post it.