I've been testing the TTS multi disc converter for approx. 5,000 miles now, including drag racing and a sled pull.


All I can say is "Wow!".


The low speed torque multiplication is awesome! http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif


After a lot of stress testing and abuse I'm glad TTS finally released the multi disc converter to the public at SEMA and has given the "Beta testers" the ok to talk about it.

Trippin,


Sounds like this converter will be the ticket for towing. Can't wait to hear more news. I have a good feeling about this one.

I've had this new TC in for over 10,000 miles now, and have used it for towing, sledpulling, and dragracing. In short, the performance is outstanding. The off-idle torque multiplication is so much greater that my Suncoast billet single-disk TC that you'd think the engine is producing another 50-60HP. In fact after installing it my wife kept trying to move the TTS power selector switch back to the 80HP setting where she normally drives, but it was already in the 80 setting.


Here's my experience in different applications:
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<LI>Dragracing. You can't just brake-stand and build boost like before, because beyond a certain RPM, the truck takes off no matter how hard you're mashing the brake pedal. I redlighted about half the time my first time to the track because I just blew through the brakes. Once I get the feel of exactly how much boost I can build without jumping forward, I think I'll be turning faster 60' times for sure.</LI>[/list]


Overall I'm very pleased with the new converter. The off-idle throttle response is immediate and noticeable over my old Suncoast, which was not a bad converter by any means. I've heard Suncoast's single disk TC had better off idle performance than thier triple disk (at the expense of holding higher HP), but this converter gives you your cake and lets you eat it too.


Many thanks to Steve for a great TC and Mike L. for his top-notch installation services.


DougEdited by: DMax_Doug

What is the stall on the converter and has anyone taken a Triple Lock Suncoast out?





Funny how not to long ago I remember someone(s) saying so much low end is lost slinging a triple! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif








Mac

I have one too... Mike put it in 3 months and 4,000 miles ago...



Can't comment on sled pullin or drag racing as I don't do
either.. Didn't have a Suncoast or any other converter in before
except the stocker so no help there....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif



I have towed our 10K f'ver ... What a difference...



No need to repeat, Doug says it best in his description above...



I am very pleased with the performance of the Suncoast/TTS converter with the HJAT and have had no problems since the install. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif.

Okay, I'll ask, what is the going rate for such a beast?

Price dont bother me, You have to pay for quality. I just want to know why I cant get one..

I just gotta know how much I'm gonna be plunking down later.



Dennis

I guess I am the minority of the group as I am the only tester not on the West coast. I have had the TTS triple installed for about 4k miles now and all is good. I have about 30 1/4 passes on it and it performs flawlessly. Stall speed as recorded on a tech2 is 1750rpms. I do have to say though that it performs better with MORE hp/tq. It is a very very "tight" converter in that it only drops 150rpm from unlocked to locked. This is no exception from all of Steve's other products in that it is a "premium product". For anyone looking to do a trans upgrade I would strongly recommend this converter and YES I would purchase one all over again on the next project.

Tighter is better! Wonder if anybody wants to buy a used and always babiedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif SC tripple disk?

Price dont bother me, You have to pay for quality. I just want to know why I cant get one..








Better watch it or you'll get a teary eyed break up note...

Price dont bother me, You have to pay for quality. I just want to know why I cant get one..








Better watch it or you'll get a teary eyed break up note...





Converters are being assembled as we speak, the cost is $1499.00 plus a good core. Finding good converter cores has kept us from pushing to hard on this project but now we have found some we should be able to turn them around pretty quickly. The performance of this multi-plate converter is the same as our single plate unit but has more holding power. This is what I wanted and would not finish the design and testing until I got it, took awhile but all the testing has proved out in the long run. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif


Kennedy the only teary eyed person around is you. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif Everything you have tried to do to down play our products just isn't working, sorry, maybe it's time for you to move on and cry about someone else.

The low speed torque multiplication is awesome! http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif





Trip,


How does the triple disc compare to the single in Diesel Power's truck?

BD,


Nick should be able to comment on that - he drove my truck last week at SEMA.


Doug

BD - Guy didn't test the TQ multiplication in my truck, just the burnout capability...



honestly i'd say doug's truck has a bit more low end than the
single.. i was quite surprised when i drove it given the triple's
i've driven before..



i'm already in line for a new one! gonna run all the pulls i can next season and don't want to take any chances....

I guess if I blow up my suncoast triple I can at least get Steve triple.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


John

The low speed torque multiplication is awesome! http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif





Trip,


How does the triple disc compare to the single in Diesel Power's truck?





I couldn't begin to compare his truck to mine as everything else I drive is shorter and lighter. They all feel like Go-Karts to me. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


I can only comment on the before and after results on my truck. Edited by: Trippin

BD - Guy didn't test the TQ multiplication in my truck, just the burnout capability...

honestly i'd say doug's truck has a bit more low end than the single.. i was quite surprised when i drove it given the triple's i've driven before..

i'm already in line for a new one! gonna run all the pulls i can next season and don't want to take any chances....



Well, since you don't have a core....let me know what you want for the single disc when you have it pulled.

Trippin,


Have you had or driven other modified Allisions to compare this TTS to, or is this your first? Most people who get tranny mods seem to really like what they have, because it was better than what they had.


Do you think this TTS is more designed for the Racer/Puller Guys, or the everyday driver with up to 400HP, lookin to play once in a while or when towing?


Your WOW probably has the Suncoast fans thinkin now. Edited by: modified

I think that Joe and Clint will both build you a tighter converter then normal if you want it. TTS making stator mods will help theoretically in first gear, after that , the conv is locked. The more I think about it from a reality standpoint, the more I wonder if I really need that much more in first gear then what brand X converter will give me. Now, keep in mind I have not tried one of these to proof myself. I am not a racer/sled puller either so I wont notice any benifits there.

Not to agree or disagree with the analysis of the internals of a Stock vs. ATS or Suncoast or a TTS Converter........but.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


I went from running big programs and stacks on my stock TC/Trans to running them on a SC/Level III with a Triple TC........and I immediately felt that the out of the hole loss was real.........it was one of my first questions after the install that I asked........over time I realized that the TC and tranny were doing what I need them to do and that's hold the power........I would however like to get back that out of the hole torque I am missing now..............especially when running a small tune or stock.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


I will see what happens, but in the spring I see some changes coming........and more than one..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Time will tell.





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Trippin,


Have you had or driven other modified Allisions to compare this TTS to, or is this your first? Most people who get tranny mods seem to really like what they have, because it was better than what they had.


Do you think this TTS is more designed for the Racer/Puller Guys, or the everyday driver with up to 400HP, lookin to play once in a while or when towing?


Your WOW probably has the Suncoast fans thinkin now.





I have driven many different trucks with various trans mods and each one had its own personality depending on upon which tune and what mods they were running at the time. There is no wrong decision here. The only wrong decision I see, is to not do a trans mod and try and run the big tunes.


The "Suncoast fans" already think I'm an idiot for buying ATS. The "ATS fans" think I'm a traitor for trying TTS. The "TTS fans" think I'm just plain weird! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif The truth is..... I'm not afraid to try new things, especially when the theory makes sense to me.


In this case, the ATS triple is a wonderful converter. When I bought it I felt it was the best for "me". I would buy one again. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif


However, the TTS converter is a little snappier off the line. You don't have to drive the pedal as deep to get the truck to move. It is especially noticeable when leaving from a dead stop while on a hill.


I'm sure in time, most triples will adpat to this TTS style design and then all will once again be in balance in the Modded Allison World. Unless of course ATS, Suncoast or TTS breaks new ground with something else. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

"However, the TTS converter is a little snappier off the line. You don't have to drive the pedal as <font color="#ff0000">deep</font> to get the truck to move. It is especially noticeable when leaving from a dead stop while on a hill."







Well said Trip.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif



Even more noticeable when you're on a hill with 10,000 lbs hooked to ya...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Edited by: Blinky

TTS making stator mods will help theoretically in first gear, after that , the conv is locked. The more I think about it from a reality standpoint, the more I wonder if I really need that much more in first gear then what brand X converter will give me. Now, keep in mind I have not tried one of these to proof myself.





Eric your above comment is a little off base here. The converter is not always locked in any gear above first. As a matter of fact when towing at part throttle loads it remains unlock for quite awhile. Once your up to speed it is locked but when rolling through the hills and mountain roads at speeds between 25 - 45 Mph the converter is unlock for a good amount of time. When backing a trailer up or just trying to get a trailer moving up an on ramp to the freeway, this is when the extra torque multiplication really helps! I see no reason to make a multi-plate unit or single plate unit that performs worse than stock on torque multiplication, it just builds more heat and causes the engine to consume more fuel. Maybe I'm funny but why buy less than stock performance to gain holding power when it's not necessary?Edited by: Diesel Tech

The enhanced low and midrange tq multiplication in the TTS converter is dramatic. Quicker turbo spool up. This converter gives back some of the loss of power from larger tires. Trippins truck felt a lot lighter after the exchange of converters. ( I spent 2 days with Guys truck, 1 day before and 1 day after)

mike

( I spent 2 days with Guys truck, 1 day before and 1 day after)

mike





And Guy spent 2 days crying, one day missing his truck and one day stooopid smiley crying dirving his truck. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif





I just want Guy's "old box" of transmissions and TQ converters. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Burner-----------------&gt; http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gifEdited by: Burner

So this converter is so good guys should throw out their ATS or Suncoast triple disc converters and put in a TTS converter that costs more than the one they replaced?

For racing when locked up what good is this extra torque multiplication? If someone can get 1.5X 60' times with one then it might be worth the extra money over a Suncoast or ATS triple disc converter but Joe or Clint can make anyone a tighter or looser converter if they want.

Also, the guys wanting to upgrade to a big turbo will not like a really tight converter.Edited by: mtomac

So this converter is so good guys should throw out their ATS or Suncoast triple disc converters and put in a TTS converter that costs more than the one they replaced?

For racing when locked up what good is this extra torque multiplication? If someone can get 1.5X 60' times with one then it might be worth the extra money over a Suncoast or ATS triple disc converter but Joe or Clint can make anyone a tighter or looser converter if they want.

Also, the guys wanting to upgrade to a big turbo will not like a really tight converter.


I don't advocate anyone getting rid of a perfectly good ATS or Suncoast triple in favor of a TTS. I have worked with Clint in the past and look forward to working with him again in the future. I'm just providing information as to my experiences. As I said before, I'm not afraid to try new things, and then report my findings here to the community. Kinda what this forum is supposed to be about. I wish more people would get back to the "science" of making our trucks run fast.


It's all personal preference. And I certainly respect your point of view as you have set the bar very high for racing/pulling with Duramaxes.


As far as the big turbo guys, let's not confuse "stall" with "torque multiplication". http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

I shouldn't be throwing around terms like tight and loose when talking about two different things. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Edited by: mtomac

I really don't notice a difference in low end power with my suncoast triple compared to the stock single. Is this something that should be very noticable?

Jim659

You have an excelent trans combo, one of the strongest ever made for the Ally. You may or may have not lost any low end from stock and if you did you would not have noticed it unless you are hard core. There is more low and mid range to be had. Does this mean that everyone with a Suncoast or ATS needs a new converter? Hell no. This just means that someone kicked it up a notch. This kind of thing is a driving force to make everyone work harder and kick up their own notch. I expect some new stuff coming out of this. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif
mike

Mike L.,


Even though I love my current setup I to think competition is good for everybody and look forward to new and better advancements in this adiction we have.

mtomac

I hope you are not the one that picks the converter when your new big turbo comes in. Your competition is hoping you will. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

mike

Mike, I'll start the rumor that I'm ditching the Allison and going with a 6 speed and dual disc pulling clutch for next season. That will keep the competition guessing.Edited by: mtomac

Mike, I'll start the rumor that I'm ditching the Allison and going with a 6 speed and dual disc pulling clutch for next season. That will keep the competition guessing.


Mike, why don't we just get a Lenco or Jerico 6 speed?

Ahh, just skip straight to Road Ranger.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

If I was going to be competetive with the Duramax I would try a 4L85 trans for weight loss and higher 1st gear. I would hit the nox somewhere in the launch to help, and see where that got me. I would of course hit the juice again somewhere down the line. I am thinking out loud guys. I would have to be prepaired to go through the trans regularely. I would like to set the trans up with a vacuum modulator ( that would be tough) or go full manual. Might gain some quickness from less gear drag and smaller converter. Oh well, what the hell do I know.
mike

why on and off the nos? Once it comes on I don't shut it off till the end of the 1/4 mile

wouldn't having a 4 speed (4L85) mated to the Duramax drop rpms too much between gears?

what is the weight difference between an Allison and a 4L85?

New rumor, I'm sticking with the Allison. I'm buying a new stock allison and putting a bully dog shift enhancer and a $400 converter from Ebay in it and running that next season. That should throw the competition way off.Edited by: mtomac

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Put your trucks needs in Joe Webbs hands. Let him decide what you need. I think he will have to build you something custom with your gears.(maybe)
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4:56 gears? What's your top speed and what are you getting for MPG?


I had a truck with the gear and a handshacker,once.





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JMO but ditch the idea of stacking with the predator, many better options out there.


Sounds like a nice mini vacation to cruise down to suncoast and have joe do ya up. You and the wife can sit on the beach and suck down fruity drinks with little umbrellas while someone else gets dirty. Or were you planning on doing the install yourself?

I'm planning on doing the install myself,although the mini vacation sounds kinda nice.

One thing I will say is this aint no th350. No laying on your back and musceling this thing inhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif And if You can I dont want to F with you. Your going to need a pit and a trany jack or a hoist or something. Doing in in a driveway or ina garage floor is possible but would be a major PITA IMO. A few friends will help too at times. Your allison is a porky lady, treat her with respect or she'll squash your but like a bug. Well since you have a lift it may be easier for you but a allison wont fit from underneath a truck with 265's but it will when you lift all the tires but 1 off the ground with a bobcat. Dont ask me how I knowhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Its pretty easy though. And if your fairly mechanicly inclined doing a stage 3 rebuild of your trans is pretty easy internally. I did it anybody canhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

Thanks for the words of encouragement.I've got my own shop with a lift so it shouldn't be to much trouble. FYI,I did carry a 14 bolt ff once for a few feet with drums included ,that one nut never did go back into the right spot.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

Maybe you should change your handle to BIGBALLBILL!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Actually ONESQUISHEDBALLBILL would be more appropriate.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

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Are ordering a complete unit..........or a kit.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


I tried to get the Suncoast Level V in kit form but it was unavailable..........so I have the Level III and it is holding up just fine...........


Good Luck,


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Good choice, I have the stage v and it is so much more than I expected, best money I spent on this truck so far. I also have an ATS stage v in my Cummins and the suncoast wins hands down.

Maybe we should start another thread as this one has gone a little off topic. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

ONESQUISHEDBALLBILLhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif, an allison isnt like a regular auto....its innards are pretty simple. If you can rebuild a SBC no problem then an allison is gravy. The R&amp;R was more of a PITA than the guts. Get Mike L.s book and have a looksie and or give him a ring and he can talk to you and help you decide if doing it yourself is a possibility or not. Like I said......I did ithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


We able to get back to back track times on the new converter to see if any ET is actually able to be picked up? Mike T's coment makes sense about since its locked 1/2 into second anyway and 1rst gear is traction limited times right now......would loser or tighter make much of a difference? Maybe a really tight converter hindering your launch a bit if its stall and flash was really low? I can see on the street how a tight converter would be nice though. Dont know chit so enlighten me please, in a straight line whats the deal?http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gifhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

I know how to pick a converter for gas jobs,but am clueless on a diesel.I,m thinking a little looser to account for turbo lag,but what about heat and clamping ability with a looser converter?Maybe TTS is onto something.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifWhy do we need to start another thread? I thought TTS was totaly talking suncoast.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif Edited by: Jim659

Well I am consistently doing 1.75 60' times with NO suspension mods other than lowered tosion bars and tierod sleeves. This is with 265/75 BF All-terrain TA @ 50psi all around. It seems a bit better than most of the other stock suspension trucks on here. Granted track prep does play a part in that, I don't know if Greatlakes dragaway is better than any other dragstrip for track prep. Keep in mind this is with the HOT JUICE at full weight(don't know never weighed it). With more HP and some new rubber,traction bars who knows.

Your truck alwasy seems to turn better times than others though so you dont counthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif j/khttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif Wernt you high 13.s on a stock trans? What were you 60'ing before and waas that with the same box???Edited by: ratlover

13.90 with the 120hp juice on the stock trans. Stock trans my best 60' was 1.89. Granted I have never run the 120hp juice since the trans upgrade i can't see in making more than a few hundreths of a difference.

Bump

Getting close to upgrade time (March)
Hadn't heard any feed back on the TTS converter lately.

Trippin, Where are you located in Valencia?
Do you have a shop?