Wonder if we could have some talk on the differences between the 2(or if there are any other products that could be considered?)? I know alot of it boils down to what you have and what is what you like type of thing.

I will say the reason I bought EFI Live is that I have a few friends that are using it and know that Guy would help answer my questions(didnt have a relationship with a HP tuners vendor). The fact that more people have EFI Live and I know of a ton of guys I can call and talk to about issues was a big selling point for me. I suppose that most of the things you modify will be the same regardless what you use......but since I was a noob it was important for me to have a pal say "go to x table and do x" and it be easy to walk me through it since we were looking at the exact same thing.

I have no idea witch is "better". I suppose that each have thier atvantages and disatvantages just like any particular tool would. Maybe this thread can go over some of that :)

Well I'll start off.

We currently offer Tuning for
01-07 LLY, LB7, LBZ and are currently working on LLM support.
01-05 Allison transmissions and currently working on 06-07 Allison controller.

We offer a Standard hardware($499) & a Pro hardware(which adds standalone datalogging as well as 4 analog inputs/2 outputs is $649), both hardware units come with the same identical software.

Both units can tune any Duramax we offer support for.

Our Single vcm licensing includes both Engine & Transmission so if you single license an 01 Duramax, for instance, your licensing both the engine/transmission as a whole for 2 credits(both std. & pro come with 8 credits free meaning you can tune up to 4 separate duramax vehicles with your initial purchase)

Our year/model licenses are very generous in that for 6 credits you can license say Unlimited 07 Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra 6.6 diesel license & you'll be able to tune an unlimited amount of both 07' Silverado/Sierra's with the LBZ & LMM engine & transmissions as you can get your hands on. For instance, you have an 07' LBZ Silverado so you license the year/model so you can tune your vehicle, your friend picks up an 07 LBZ Sierra, you'll be able to tune his vehicle without spending another dime.

We offer 3 types of views that the user can choose which one he/she feels more comfortable with Drop Down, Tab & tree style
http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/Pics/Views.jpg

Our editor autodetects which pcm you command it to read meaning you don't need to know what pcm your working on to be able to do a read. With many pcm's looking very similar or hidden away in an engine compartment can be difficult to see what they look like.

We offer 3 different user settings Basic, Standard & advanced which can help narrow down some of the more commonly used tables or by setting to advanced will show all tables.

Many Tables in LBZ & LMM pcm's have editable axes meaning you can adjust resolution & or limits of many of the tables. Maybe you wanted to lower your RPM limit & raise the resolution between 3000-4000 rpms up on some tables, YOU as an end user can do it!

Want to bump up the max ft lb axis? GO FOR IT! YOU can do it with just a few clicks of the mouse ultimately creating a custom operating system that is up to YOUR spec.

http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/Pics/Editaxis.jpg

Our table displays have a handsome look & feel and have tons of functionality from being able to save/print individual tables to interpolation to smoothing functionality your in control of the tables to the fullest extent.

http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/Pics/table.jpg

LB7 has roughly 230 editable parameters & tables(not including the dtc listing) when strapped to an allison transmission.

LLY has roughly 270 editable parameters & tables(not including the dtc listing) when strapped to an allison transmission.

LBZ has roughly 530 editable parameters & tables(not including the dtc listing) not including the allison transmission parameters.

LMM has roughly 680 editable parameters & tables(not including the dtc listing) not including the allison transmission parameters.

We also offer a full LLY/LBZ/LB7 DTC listing(not just a partial)

We will offer a full DTC listing for LMM upon initial public release.

We also offer dozens of flash demo's showing how to use both our editor & scanner software
Demos:
You can view online demo's of common VCM Suite tasks:

Installing-NEW!
Running HPTuners installer (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/installer.swf)-NEW!

Installing MPVI Drivers (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/MPVIDrivers.swf)-NEW!

Pinging your hardware also referred to as resyncing your licenses (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/pinghardware.swf)-NEW!

General
Saving a VCM Suite Info Log (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/../help/demos/infolog.swf)-NEW!

VCM Editor
Reading your VCM (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/Read%20Entire%20VCM.swf)

Writing Calibration to the VCM (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/write%20to%20vcm.swf)
Failed VCM Calibration Write - VCM Recovery (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/write%20with%20recovery.swf)

Changing Fan Settings - 160 Degree Thermostat (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/160%20Thermostat.swf)

Applying a 1 Bar SD Enhancement (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/1%20bar%20sd%20apply.swf)
Applying a 2 Bar SD Enhancement (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/2%20bar%20sd.swf)

Using the Compare Feature (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/Compare%20Feature.swf)

Gear Change for 98 LS1 Fbodies (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/98gearchange.swf)-NEW!

Using AutoVE/AutoTune/Copy Paste Special feature (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/copypaste.swf)-NEW!

Changing Decimal Precision (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/IncreaseDecreaseprecision.swf)-NEW!

Licensing a file/pcm (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/licenseafile.swf)-NEW!

Applying a RTT(Real Time Tuning) Custom Operating system (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/RTTapplication.swf)-NEW!

Quickly Change Units of measure (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/Unitchange.swf)-NEW!

Using the Comparison Copy over All feature to quickly copy over a starter tune (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/copyoverall.swf)-NEW!

VCM Scanner
Adding and Removing PIDs (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/add%20remove%20pids.swf)

Creating a Custom PID and Adding a Custom PID to the Histogram (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/Creating%20and%20Adding%20a%20Custom%20PID.swf)

Creating a user defined EIO Input (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/custom%20EIO.swf)

Standalone Data Logging (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/../help/demos/standalonelogging.swf)-NEW!

Creating and Saving Custom Histograms (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/../help/demos/customhisto.swf)-NEW!

Using Plot Filtering in Histograms (http://www.hptuners.com/help/demos/using%20plot%20filtering.swf)

Using Bi-Directional Controls (http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/VCM%20Controls.swf)-NEW!

Reading and Saving DTC's (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/../help/demos/dtc.swf)-NEW!

to be continued...

Wow,

Now that is a full packed post. Thanks for the information.

Our scanner will scan GM enhanced parameters for any vehicle on our supported list http://www.hptuners.com/products/vcmsuite_vehicles.php we also include MPIDs also known as DMA PID's for many of our supported operating systems.

We will shortly be adding CAN based Ford Scanning which will be a free software update to current users meaning if you have a late model ford in your household thats throwing a code you'll be able to scan it for free instead of having to bring it into the shop or dealership.

Our scanner has several different views including a customizable gauge display

http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/Pics/Gaugedisplay.jpg

A customizable graph display

http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/Pics/graph.jpg

A completely customizable Histogram display with slots for up to 12 usable histograms at one time and can be referenced using hot keys to quickly scroll through each.

http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/Pics/Scanner.jpg

Also a comments/markers section so that you can add blurbs about occurances which can be anything from where you want the tranny to shift, or maybe a drivablity issue that occurs under only certain conditions that you want to mark for later review. You'd simply click the M button to leave a marker or if using the pro versions standalone datalogging just hold down the record button for 1 second and it will enter a marker that can be edited later.

We also give you bi-directional controls so that you can control many pcm functions in real time.

Wow....that marker deal sounds cool

So with HP tunners if you have a table that has 1000 2000 3000 4000 RPM as the cells, I could change it to be like 1000 2000 3200 3600 4000 RPM?

Wow....that marker deal sounds cool

So with HP tunners if you have a table that has 1000 2000 3000 4000 RPM as the cells, I could change it to be like 1000 2000 3200 3600 4000 RPM?

You can't add cells but lets say you have cells of 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 rpms but you know your only going to spin to 4400 rpms you could change the resolution to 1000 1800 2600 3400 4400 or maybe the last cell in a table is 600ftlb you can move that last cell up to say 800ft lb so instead of having the same numbers carrying over from 600-800 ftlb you now have the resolution to fully control your fueling better instead of fudging things over a certain point.

You can see a bit more about it by viewing this demo http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/LBZ.swf

-Bill

PS I have been schooled on how to pronounce interpolate since then :duh:

We always tell people to download our fully functional software first as a try before you buy, this is the best way to get a feel for the software you are about to purchase rather than rely on some screen shots or a glossy magazine picture. No different to buying a new vehicle from the brochure without driving it first! Once you install the software you can then load up files from your friends or log files from your friends just to get a feel for how things work before handing over your hard earned cash hoping it's going to be what you want.

It's always difficult to explain to a beginner what advanced features our software may have over competing products when they are not advanced enough in their knowledge to fully appreciate the differences. I think the important thing to remember is that EFILive has been tuning many, many big horsepower Diesel trucks over the last year or two. From the feedback provided to us by our users we often add in new features or tables to assist in pushing the envelope. So for the casual user they might not find a PID to log injection amounts above 79mm3 particularly useful (at the early stages) but for the experienced tuner it is vital information.
So what might seem like technical jargon in the early days is going to be very important down the track. We think when it comes to data capture on the Duramax EFILive is the leader for those very reasons, years of product enhancment based on feedback from some of the top Duramax tuners.

Those who already have EFILive know that our scanner is the most customizable scanner on the market for dashes with custom backgrounds and a myriad of user configurable options. Just look at how nice the default Duramax dash page looks in the scanner.
However, our users tell us the best feature of the EFILive Tuner / Scanner combo is the data tracking from the scantool back in to the tuning maps, no guess work or flicking between applications, your scan data is highlighted in each map of the tuner so you know exactly where you need to tune.

We belive our ECM & TCM reading / programming is the most stable and fastest product on the market. Some handhelds (as and example) require you to pull several fuses before any programming session. 99% of our users simply read or program the ECM / TCM without any troubles at all with all fuses plugged in.
Also on the programming side of things, EFILive is AFAIK the only software that allows you to update a 2001 ECM to a later operating system (say a 2003), traditionally attempting to do this (even with a TechII) will result in a dead ECM. This is an important consideration for mail order tuners who purchase ECM's from yards not knowing what they will be getting.
For tuners / workshops we also offer very secure ECM locking, this stops all your hard work being copied by your competitors, this is VERY important for those competing against other tuning shop in the area. Once the ECM is locked nothing will be able to read or program the ECM again (including a GM dealer) until you choose to unlock it again. Locking / Unlocking and ECM or TCM is a 20 second process at most.

Pricing comparisons are difficult between EFILive and HPTuners because of the difference model / licensing structure. Sometimes you can be ahead on one platform but behind on the other, this goes for both parties.

EFILive is also the only company to offer a 2 or 5 position switchable tune for the Duramax that you can tune. And it won't end there, we already have new custom operating systems for the Duramax in development and as per our normal policy, there a NO additional fees to use them.
For those who are really enthusiastic we also offer (in partnership with Moates) the RoadRunner replacement ECM that allows real time tuning.
And of course we have been the first with every aspect of Duramax tuning:
LB7 ECM, LB7 TCM
LLY ECM, LLY TCM (4 or 5 spd)
LBZ ECM, LBZ TCM (4 or 6 spd)
LMM ECM, LMM TCM
This includes any vehicle that uses those ECM's including Motorhomes and any other HD application.

Ross did ask me to clarify one thing, in HPTuners software as foff pointed out it is possible to alter the axis breakpoints. EFILive could also do this however we have chosen to 'hide' this from the user simply because it can actually be dangerous to go and change an axis without also blending the table data to match the new breakpoints. I am not aware if they do this or not? I guess foff could clarify.

Any company representative can tell you how good their product is, but in the end you really listen to what the users are saying about the programs. Look at public forums like this one, look at the companies own forums just to see what is being said about the software and what it can really do and how it performs in the real world.

If you purchase EFILive for your Duramax tuning you know you have the support not only of experienced company representatives and our reseller network (who you can actually talk to!) but the whole EFILive Diesel tuning community which as you can see by the traffic just on this forum is many, many happy users.

Cheers
Cindy

I'd be really interested to know what all those extra tables HP Tuners found for the LBZ are and if they would help us get rid of this high RPM defuel.

From the day EFI live has been mentioned I have been interested in the software, but as a beginner I have always been scared of buying the program and playing with everything on there to tune my truck then uploading it and having something fail on it. Do the people who sell EFI live offer little booklet with instructions on how not to screw up or is it that self explanitory?

I think this is one reason why people just go for HP tuners because of the simplicity.

From the day EFI live has been mentioned I have been interested in the software, but as a beginner I have always been scared of buying the program and playing with everything on there to tune my truck then uploading it and having something fail on it. Do the people who sell EFI live offer little booklet with instructions on how not to screw up or is it that self explanitory?

I think this is one reason why people just go for HP tuners because of the simplicity.

Dont know about HP tunners but I know EFI live has a very lenghty manual that comes with. The paper copy you get in the box basicly tells you how to load it and all that but once you get it open its got a big pdf to print out or just thumb through.

I dont think either one tells you what kind of things to not do to not screw up your truck(aside from how to load and read files and that type of thing).....its up to the user to determine say determine what kind of timing or duration is safe. I cant see either tool being "safer" realy regardless how complex or simple it is to use. You input the values so its up to you to write a tune that is safe. An easier to use software will just be easier to get a handle on and it will be well.....easier to use. If one product was very hard to use and one was easy but they still offerened all the same parameters to modify......you could still write the exact same tune.

The way it sounds to me is that HPTUNERS has more tables to modify.

Cindy are you out there? How many tables do you guys have??

It's nowhere near 500. I don't even know what you could do with all those extra tables though. I've got tables that I've never seen the need to modify. It would be nice to know if one of those extra tables HP Tuners found would allow us to rev higher than 3500 without the truck trying to defuel to nothing.

hey Josh,


Efi did not solve that problem yet? I thought they did. Anybody have that problem with hptuners?

hey Josh,


Efi did not solve that problem yet? I thought they did. Anybody have that problem with hptuners?

None of our beta testers including some larger name shops have mentioned anything about this since our public LBZ release nearly 2 months ago. Thats not to say there isn't an issue but nobody has said a word to us if there is with our software.

-Bill

Okay let me see if I have this correct. With the original purchase of efi live I can tune 1 truck or 2 trucks? I am talking about tuning the tranny & engine on both. I really wish Efi Live would post here too. :(

On hptuners I can tune 4 trucks with the engine & tranny (once supported on the lbz)? Is this correct? Each company can be upgraded to add more I am just talking about what you get when you first buy it. Thanks.

On hptuners I can tune 4 trucks with the engine & tranny (once supported on the lbz)? Is this correct?

Correct, with either standard or pro package we offer you'll be able to tune up to 4 engine/tranny combo's since we treat the pcm/tcm as one unit. As for LBZ tuning once the LBZ allison support is ready it will just be a free software upgrade. And in the meantime you can tune all engine parameters available.

-Bill

Are upgrades always free or just for a year? Thanks.

Are upgrades always free or just for a year? Thanks.

Software upgrades are free for life to all current & past customers.

-Bill

With EFI live you can tune 2 vehicles(ECM and TCM). Anything past that and you pay 100$ per vehicle.

With EFI live you can tune 2 vehicles(ECM and TCM). Anything past that and you pay 100$ per vehicle.

This also depends on the Hardware version your running though as well Correct?

I'm talking about the 750$ V2 one that most every one sells or buys. Think there is a lower level and then thier is thier more shop oriented deal thats unlimeted. I probably shouldnt talk pricing structure, not 100% up on it :o:

So the pro version is $649 & I can tune 4 trucks with no extra cost?

Cindy are you out there? How many tables do you guys have??

I'm here, but don't usually respond to posts made at 3.22am :) I haven't counted the tables, but a documented full listing is contained within our software download.

Okay let me see if I have this correct. With the original purchase of efi live I can tune 1 truck or 2 trucks? I am talking about tuning the tranny & engine on both. I really wish Efi Live would post here too. :(

Cut a girl some slack.....at 5.43am I'm usually doing what I'm doing at 3.22am! :rolleyes: With FlashScan V2 you can tune any 2 supported vehicles with initial purchase. Each ECM you license creates an available TCM slot, so technically the TCM you license doesn't have to match the ECM you license.

Are upgrades always free or just for a year? Thanks.
All software changes we make are for free. This includes firmware enhancements, such as blackbox logging and standalone flashing, as well as any custom operating systems that we may release in the future.

This also depends on the Hardware version your running though as well Correct?
CRASHNBURN has an LBZ, we only support this on one hardware platform.

Cheers
Cindy

Thanks Cindy. I just wanted to compare the two. You really get to sleep in there.:D Help me with my math what is the time difference there?


If a guy wanted to tune two trucks (the engine & the tranny on both) I am out of a license then? I could do 4 trucks, but then I could only do the engine. Is that correct?

Thanks Cindy. I just wanted to compare the two. You really get to sleep in there.:D Help me with my math what is the time difference there?

If a guy wanted to tune two trucks (the engine & the tranny on both) I am out of a license then? I could do 4 trucks, but then I could only do the engine. Is that correct?
The time now is 9.56 THURSDAY morning. So we are 7 hours behind California....but a day in front if that makes any sense :) Actually when we come to the states we usually arrive 5 hours before we leave. If I was to leave at 12 noon today (Thursday), I'd arrive 17 hours later at 7.30am Thursday....

If you want to tune 2 trucks - ECM and TCM the 2 licenses FlashScan V2 ships with will meet your needs. You can license any 2 ECM's and any 2 TCM's - you cannot switch TCM licenses for ECM licenses. To tune a 3rd or 4th ECM you would need to purchase additional licenses. FlashScan V2 can hold up to 221 licenses, so you're not likely to run out of room any time soon.

Cheers
Cindy

Will either of these tuners read trouble codes on late model GM gas trucks? Does the vehicle have to have a license to only read codes?

I have read the hptuners can read & clear codes on them. You also do not need to buy another lisence to scan & clear the codes. Only the ones that you want to tune. I am not sure about efi live.

Will either of these tuners read trouble codes on late model GM gas trucks? Does the vehicle have to have a license to only read codes?

With EFILive you can scan and clear codes on any supported vehicle without burning a license. You only use a license when going to tune a vehicle.

Cheers
Cindy

EFILive will allow you to read tunes from as many supported vehicles as you wish. You may also record live engine data as well as read and clear codes without using a license.

The only time a license is needed is when you write "to" the ECM or TCM. And then, you only need to license the ECM/TCM the first time. After that you can write to it as many times as you wish.

Hope this helps. :D

It sounds like hptuners does the same thing for $100 cheaper & you can tune 2 more complete vehicles for the same price.

Does hp tuners let you download the software free? If so download them both (EFI Live) and just look through them.

A couple of thing I have seen - (personal observation)

Switchable tunes:
EFI -you can make a 2 or 5 position tune - shift on the fly for the LB7 and LLY (without requiring addtional licese)
HPT - you can only have 1 tune in at a time - (HPT has been talking about a switchable RTT OS since 10/06) - also note that RTT in the HPT world requires additional credits

TCM OS:
EFI - you can change the TCM OS - (to say an 01 OS - for LB7 and LLY only)
HPT - This is not an option

Reading tunes:
Both EFI and HPT you can backup tunes on any vehicle supported without using up a license (this is new to HPT)

Module Reading:
EFI - you can read one module at a time - just the ECM or just the TCM
HPT - you read both at once - this is not always a good thing - as the TCM on HPT seems to read in slow mode

Cutom PID:
EFI - you have to edit a text file
HPT - GUI based - with drop down menus - a very nice feature

Scan Tool:
<for diesels>
EFI - comes with a preconfigured PID list you can load to start logging out of the box
HPT - you have to define your own PID list

Help others with tunes: <meaning a buddy sends you his file you can edit it and send it back to him to try>
EFI - you can edit your buddy's tune and email it back to him without using a license
HPT - you would have to license his file before you can save the changes

Scripts:
EFI - you can compare a stock file and modified file and export the changes to an EFI script file - this is a very nice feature - as it allows you to script a base list of changes you make to all your tunes (disable EGR, boost check, etc)
HPT - does not have a script feature - you can export/import individual tables

Tune Compare:
EFI - you can only compare tunes made with the same OS version
HPT - you can compare tunes written with different OS versions

A
Help others with tunes: <meaning a buddy sends you his file you can edit it and send it back to him to try>
EFI - you can edit your buddy's tune and email it back to him without using a license
HPT - you would have to license his file before you can save the changes


This correct? I send files back and forth with quite a few guys bouncing ideas off em. We would burn up a license to save files ment for someone elses truck?

Scan Tool:
<for diesels>
EFI - comes with a preconfigured PID list you can load to start logging out of the box
HPT - you have to define your own PID list


We would be more than happy to add some reconfigured PID lists for each engine but I would need to know what PID's would like to be seen on a daily basis & then verify it on the bench. Not a difficult task but would need input. If you'd like to help create a pid list shoot me an email to bill at hptuners.com

Help others with tunes: <meaning a buddy sends you his file you can edit it and send it back to him to try>
EFI - you can edit your buddy's tune and email it back to him without using a license
HPT - you would have to license his file before you can save the changes

This is true, we've structured our licensing procedure to ask you to license the file before you save any changes to a file you may have made. You can always save the individual tables as a .txt file to send to others but not an entire tune.

Scripts:
EFI - you can compare a stock file and modified file and export the changes to an EFI script file - this is a very nice feature - as it allows you to script a base list of changes you make to all your tunes (disable EGR, boost check, etc)
HPT - does not have a script feature - you can export/import individual tables

Using the comparison feature you'll be able to make base changes to all your tunes as well with just a couple of clicks as shown here http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTuners/FlashDemos/copydifferencesshort.swf

Very informative post.

Scan Tool:
<for diesels>
EFI - comes with a preconfigured PID list you can load to start logging out of the box
HPT - you have to define your own PID list

Help others with tunes: <meaning a buddy sends you his file you can edit it and send it back to him to try>
EFI - you can edit your buddy's tune and email it back to him without using a license
HPT - you would have to license his file before you can save the changes

Scripts:
EFI - you can compare a stock file and modified file and export the changes to an EFI script file - this is a very nice feature - as it allows you to script a base list of changes you make to all your tunes (disable EGR, boost check, etc)
HPT - does not have a script feature - you can export/import individual tablesThose are some very good reasons to run EFI. I use the last two quite a bit. I've changed the PID list, but I would have had no idea about what to log when I started.

Switchable tunes:
EFI -you can make a 2 or 5 position tune - shift on the fly for the LB7 and LLY (without requiring addtional licese)
HPT - you can only have 1 tune in at a time - (HPT has been talking about a switchable RTT OS since 10/06) - also note that RTT in the HPT world requires additional credits

TCM OS:
EFI - you can change the TCM OS - (to say an 01 OS - for LB7 and LLY only)
HPT - This is not an optionThose two don't apply to the LBZ yet, but I can see how that would be a big draw for LB7 and LLY guys. If they get it figured out for the LBZ it will be very nice.

Cutom PID:
EFI - you have to edit a text file
HPT - GUI based - with drop down menus - a very nice feature

Tune Compare:
EFI - you can only compare tunes made with the same OS version
HPT - you can compare tunes written with different OS versionsThose two things would be nice for EFI. I still haven't figured out how to make a custom PID.

Really nice posts guys. Keep them coming. Send some emails to Bill & lets get this ball really rolling.

Nice comparison turbo lcc. The one thing I do like about the HP tuners is the fact the axis can be adjusted. Not a big deal but a nice feature. Otherwise I'm happy with EFILive. The V2 on EFILive will have stand alone support with BB logging. I'm not sure about the HP tuners.

Nice comparison turbo lcc. The one thing I do like about the HP tuners is the fact the axis can be adjusted. Not a big deal but a nice feature. Otherwise I'm happy with EFILive. The V2 on EFILive will have stand alone support with BB logging. I'm not sure about the HP tuners.

We've had standalone datalogging available for well over a year now with our hardware.

-Bill

Are you guys still working on RTT tuning for the LBZ'S & LMM'S?

We've had standalone datalogging available for well over a year now with our hardware.

-Bill
Does your hardware store tunes and are you able to download them to the vehicle without a laptop or PC? If not is that something on the horizon?

Does your hardware store tunes and are you able to download them to the vehicle without a laptop or PC? If not is that something on the horizon?

No it will not. Its much easier and 1000's of times more functional to have a laptop in vehicle. Not only can you simply pull over to the side of the road or into an empty parking lot to flash a tune but Real time tuning from either our unit or theirs requires a laptop to have any functionality. Definitely worth the few bucks to purchase a minimum requirement laptop so you can use the product to its true potential.

-Bill

Are you guys still working on RTT tuning for the LBZ'S & LMM'S?

Right now we are working on Getting LBZ & LMM to the public market, we'll worry about all other enhancements once we're confident we have the best public release available.

-Bill

No it will not. Its much easier and 1000's of times more functional to have a laptop in vehicle. Not only can you simply pull over to the side of the road or into an empty parking lot to flash a tune but Real time tuning from either our unit or theirs requires a laptop to have any functionality. Definitely worth the few bucks to purchase a minimum requirement laptop so you can use the product to its true potential.

-Bill
Which vehicles are supported for real time tuning?

Which vehicles are supported for real time tuning?

Currently only Gen 3 V6/V8 cars & trucks. We are working on getting LLY & LB7 Real time tuning support together with an RTT switchable tune, but there have been some additional staff thats been hired which has taken time away from getting that done but will free up time now & in the future for new development including more RTT platforms.

-Bill

Right now we are working on Getting LBZ & LMM to the public market, we'll worry about all other enhancements once we're confident we have the best public release available.

-Bill



Hey Bill,

What is the time frame for the public market for the LBZ & the LMM? Thanks.

Currently only Gen 3 V6/V8 cars & trucks. We are working on getting LLY & LB7 Real time tuning support together with an RTT switchable tune, but there have been some additional staff thats been hired which has taken time away from getting that done but will free up time now & in the future for new development including more RTT platforms.

-Bill


is the RTT for the LB7/LLY going to be a separate box or built into the ECM like the Moates? I would love RTT but it looks like the LLY ECM is out of the question because of limited space in the case. :(

is the RTT for the LB7/LLY going to be a separate box or built into the ECM like the Moates? I would love RTT but it looks like the LLY ECM is out of the question because of limited space in the case. :(

All of our real time tuning solutions will be using the stock pcm. It'll just be a very advanced custom operating system installation basically ;)

Any idea when the RTT will be out for the LLY?

bump.

I've had a few people ask me about this lately:

Do you offer the particulate DTC's?-Yes we offer a full listing of DTC's not just a partial including the particulate trap dtc's

Do you have tables for idle adjustment for LBZ & LMM pcms?-Yes we offer the 4 main idle speed tables & parameters for both of these engines.

Hopefully not off topic but........

A couple of thing I have seen - (personal observation)
Tune Compare:
EFI - you can only compare tunes made with the same OS version
HPT - you can compare tunes written with different OS versions

There is a work around for this I have been taught to do that is a little tricky, but it can be used to compare 2 diff OS. Or if you wanted to copy a tune that is currently used by a different OS to your OS.

What I am saying is that it is possible, but is not done in a conventional way so to speak. I'll start a new thread if I can't find it anywhere in the EFI forum.

Don't mean to beat a dead horse but... Can someone speak about the differences between tuners as they apply to the LBZ only? As I understand it, some tuners do more for the LB7 and LLY than they do for the LBZ. Thanks

Don't mean to beat a dead horse but... Can someone speak about the differences between tuners as they apply to the LBZ only? As I understand it, some tuners do more for the LB7 and LLY than they do for the LBZ. Thanks

This post http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1926918&postcount=2 goes through most of our LBZ features including the editable axes, the number of accessible tables, etc. and thats not to mention the ability to tune up to 4 LBZ vehicles.

-Bill

I have a LMM Dmax and a 2000 Camaro ls1. can i edit both of these vehicles with HpTuners and EFI Live?
Also, i am new to tuning, so i would more than likely be using a pre-written tune until i get used to tuning. how are the tune libraries for both of my vehicles?

i know additional ecm permits for EFI live are $100, but how much are they for HpTuners?

$49.99 per credit for upgrades. I think you would need two credits for most vehicles.

I have a LMM Dmax and a 2000 Camaro ls1. can i edit both of these vehicles with HpTuners and EFI Live?
Also, i am new to tuning, so i would more than likely be using a pre-written tune until i get used to tuning. how are the tune libraries for both of my vehicles?

i know additional ecm permits for EFI live are $100, but how much are they for HpTuners?

You'd be able to tune both vehicles with our software & still have 2 licenses to spare if you do single pcm licensing. With our software we also allow you to opt for a year/model license structure as well at any time meaning you could tune any 00 V8 camaro or firebird or 08 Diesel Silverado/Sierra and still have credits left over. Our single vcm licenses are usually 2 credits or $99.98 and most year/model licenses are only 6 credits or ~$299.

-Bill

I have a LMM Dmax and a 2000 Camaro ls1. can i edit both of these vehicles with HpTuners and EFI Live?
Also, i am new to tuning, so i would more than likely be using a pre-written tune until i get used to tuning. how are the tune libraries for both of my vehicles?

i know additional ecm permits for EFI live are $100, but how much are they for HpTuners?

FlashScan V2 ships with 2 licenses so you could tune both vehicles with your initial purchase - you wouldn't need to outlay any more cash.

Most of our resellers sell our product with a Duramax starter tune around 75HP. Some may also ship with a starter tune for your Camaro, but you'd need to check with the resellers first - I know of at least 2 resellers that ship Gas and Diesel starter tunes. Try Nick aka DuramaxTuner or Guy aka Trippin.

The Diesel Place Tune Library holds most of our diesel stock and modified tunes - all user submitted. Unfortunately due to site upgrades, Diesel Place has turned off this feature in the short term. If it doesn't come online soon, we will look at moving these tunes to our Gasser tune library which can be found at www.holdencrazy.com (http://www.holdencrazy.com)

Cheers
Cindy

Great! thanks for the help guys! i'll start savin' so it can be here by x-mas.

I have written tunes for both of the vehicles you own with excellent results. Feel free to PM or email me for more information.

Nick