I'm looking to raise it somewhere around 9" without having the front wheels hang out a mile from the fenders. If they go a little wider then that might not be so bad, it's just some that I have seen are too much.

Check my garage.

If your looking for no increase in factory track width (face of wheel mounting surface to face of wheel mounting surface), then CST would be the best bet.

Take a look at this lift. It has a 1" on each side wider stance. But read for the reason of design for that. Other company's have a larger increase but this offers the happy middle of both worlds.

http://norcaltruck.com/cognito-7-9.html


Here is a pic of a Cognito 7" (Spindle kit) next to a UCA drop kit that doesn't increase the front track. Both truck running 35's and as you can see there is not much difference between the two.

http://www.norcaltruck.com/cognito-7-9/58.jpg

http://www.norcaltruck.com/cognito-7-9/59.jpg


Spindle kits offer more strength compared to UCA drop kits by off setting the larger tire size by a wider ball joint span. But I will say that most other spindle kits do push the wheel way to far out for most people's taste.

Hope this info helps you.


Nor-Cal Nick

cst all the way

DI if you were to paint your truck white with some cutouts that would be exactly what I want to do. Thanks for the ideas. However I am torn between those wheels and the Jesse James Lawless wheels. Would you mind if I took one of your pics and had it photo shopped white?

CST and Cognito sounds like a toss up between the two. Everyone has had nothing but good to say about either. I want around 8-9"(sounds like my wife) lift, do they both have that? What are the price differences? I believe we have a vendor on this thread. PM me if neccesary.

If you are looking for the most bang for you buck then Cognito has the VOTE.

CST is the best UCA drop kit on the market but before you look at pricing you might want to look at what the installs intel. UCA drop kits must have the UCA frame stop cut off the frame and that means no turning back and more labor to install. Spindle kits leave the UCA in the factory position for easier install and a stronger point, Oh and the best thing is you have the availability to go back to stock or change to a taller lift.

I am a vendor here that sells both. Feel free to contact me if you would like to compare the kits of complete pricing. These kits are not sold like other off the self kits so you make up your kit of the options that will best suit your needs.

You can see pricing and options offered at this link for the Cognito 7-9 HD kit.
http://norcaltruck.com/shop/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=14&products_id=236


Nor-Cal Nick

So, what about the angle on those CV's with the CST? There's quite a bit of angle already without any droop.

So, what about the angle on those CV's with the CST? There's quite a bit of angle already without any droop.

I have the CST 9" to 11" set @ around 10" and they are almost level. I have a really good picture in my 07 Garage. The track with is stock and that is why I chose to run with this lift over a spindle lift. Also check out how wide the 6" Fabtech lift pushes out the track width on my 03. I do a lot of off road, and couldn'd keep the mud off! It was rediculus in the thick mud - my windshield started to get really scratched from my wipers - my new truck is was better and is bigger to boot!

P.S. would someone explain how to post pictures from my garage onto these threads so i don't have to keep telling people to goto my garage?

[quote=Jeremy James Andres;1927029;]I have the CST 9" to 11" set @ around 10" and they are almost level. I have a really good picture in my 07 Garage. The track with is stock and that is why I chose to run with this lift over a spindle lift. Also check out how wide the 6" Fabtech lift pushes out the track width on my 03. I do a lot of off road, and couldn'd keep the mud off! It was rediculus in the thick mud - my windshield started to get really scratched from my wipers - my new truck is was better and is bigger to boot!

P.S. would someone explain how to post pictures from my garage onto these threads so i don't have to keep telling people to goto my garage?:help:file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ADMINI%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpgfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ADMINI%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg

[quote=Jeremy James Andres;1927062;][quote=Jeremy James Andres;1927029;]I have the CST 9" to 11" set @ around 10" and they are almost level. I have a really good picture in my 07 Garage. The track with is stock and that is why I chose to run with this lift over a spindle lift. Also check out how wide the 6" Fabtech lift pushes out the track width on my 03. I do a lot of off road, and couldn'd keep the mud off! It was rediculus in the thick mud - my windshield started to get really scratched from my wipers - my new truck is was better and is bigger to boot!

P.S. would someone explain how to post pictures from my garage onto these threads so i don't have to keep telling people to goto my garage?:help:

Got her figured! Here are some pict of both trucks.

Jeremy James Andres,
Thats great angles. So that shows that the kit is not over cranked. Thats what you want.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=37224&d=1186530835


The pic's I posted are to show a side by side of over all hight between the 2 kits and tire push. Yes the CST used has more CV angle than the Cognito when comparing the 2 at the same hight.




Nor-Cal Nick

Jeremy James Andres,
Thats great angles. So that shows that the kit is not over cranked. Thats what you want.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=37224&d=1186530835 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=37224&d=1186530835)
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The pic's I posted are to show a side by side of over all hight between the 2 kits and tire push. Yes the CST used has more CV angle than the Cognito when comparing the 2 at the same hight.




Nor-Cal Nick

In other words, you had to crank on the CST to equal the same height of the Cognito? How does the ride compare between those two? It would appear the CST would be a little rougher/stiff, right?

So, what about the angle on those CV's with the CST? There's quite a bit of angle already without any droop.


The CV angle really does depend on who does the lift install and how much they crank the T-bars.

Heres an HD I saw on another truck site with a 7-9 inch Cognito kit with the tortions cranked. As you can see, either the CST or the Congtio will have an extreme CV angle if the tortions are overcranked...


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Extreme CV angles are usually based on too much T-bar cranking. Either the CST kit or the Cognito kit would be a great choice.

In other words, you had to crank on the CST to equal the same height of the Cognito? How does the ride compare between those two? It would appear the CST would be a little rougher/stiff, right?

No, what he means is that it is better to go with a anybrand? 7"-9" lift and set it @ about 8" ,instead of buying a anybrand? 6"-7" lift and cranking the shit out of the torsion bars to get 8" of lift. It all depends on how much tire you would like to end up with under your truck.

My CST is set @ 10" with 37's and nothing rubs - CV angle is same as stock, and the ride is even better than stock. Especially because I have a lot of rubber with only 17" rims. I built the truck to be worked hard in the oilfield, and I need it to last without having to fix the front end all the time!;) If I didn't go off road much, I could add green keys and crank the lift high enough to squeeze a 40" tire under it - but it would be rough as hell
off road and would be in the shop all the time!:badidea:

P.S. Go bigger the first time, once you go up you will never come down. Unless you max out a lift and have to fix your front end every 2 months$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This would change your feelings about lifts.

The CV angle really does depend on who does the lift install and how much they crank the T-bars.

Heres an HD I saw on another truck site with a 7-9 inch Cognito kit with the tortions cranked. As you can see, either the CST or the Congtio will have an extreme CV angle if the tortions are overcranked...


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Extreme CV angles are usually based on too much T-bar cranking. Either the CST kit or the Cognito kit would be a great choice.

Notice the spacer on inside of CV axle? It's silver. CST is a totally different lift and basically drops down the factory suspension a true 9" (CST 9"-11"). Spindle lifts gain their hight from a taller spindle - look above tie rod. CST lift still has factory spindle, that is why the track width is not pushed out! It's hard to notice no spacer on my CST because I recently painted under there, but trust me there is not one.

The CV angle really does depend on who does the lift install and how much they crank the T-bars.

Extreme CV angles are usually based on too much T-bar cranking. Either the CST kit or the Cognito kit would be a great choice.

You right... Its sad to say that there are tons of kits (good or bad) that don't get a chance because they are installed out of spec.



No, what he means is that it is better to go with a anybrand? 7"-9" lift and set it @ about 8" ,instead of buying a anybrand? 6"-7" lift and cranking the shit out of the torsion bars to get 8" of lift. It all depends on how much tire you would like to end up with under your truck.

My CST is set @ 10" with 37's and nothing rubs - CV angle is same as stock, and the ride is even better than stock. Especially because I have a lot of rubber with only 17" rims. I built the truck to be worked hard in the oilfield, and I need it to last without having to fix the front end all the time!;) If I didn't go off road much, I could add green keys and crank the lift high enough to squeeze a 40" tire under it - but it would be rough as hell
off road and would be in the shop all the time!:badidea:

Yes.... go with a lift that properly fits a selected tire & wheel combo. Try not to fit 13lbs. in a 10lbs. sack;) . That leads to over cranking on any lift and a bad ride and angles.



Nor-Cal Nick

Ok well I am finally at the point of doing this. Looking at all the lifted trucks I have decided to do the Cognito 10-12" lift. It's just a little more so not a big deal. I got a good deal on a set of Jesse James Lawless 18x10 wrapped with 355x65x18's.
Nick I will need it powder coated the same white as a 2007 classic. I'll get in touch with you shortly to finalize the deal.