Got the September issue of the Consummer Reports and they rate the 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD with a towing capacity of 9,800 lb, Toyota Tundra 10,300, Ford F-250 12,500 and Dodge 2500 12,850.
My truck is rated @ 12,500 towing. Whats up...have they down rated the Duramax trucks??
The report also claims Toyota Tundra towed a 7,400lb trailer quickest to 60 mph.:eek: :eek:

My brochure says I can tow a 14,500 lb 5th wheel.

Probably a base optioned gasser. They can't use the d-max or the imports would not be competitive!;) The masses love imports, damn the facts.
Got the September issue of the Consummer Reports and they rate the 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD with a towing capacity of 9,800 lb, Toyota Tundra 10,300, Ford F-250 12,500 and Dodge 2500 12,850.
My truck is rated @ 12,500 towing. Whats up...have they down rated the Duramax trucks??
The report also claims Toyota Tundra towed a 7,400lb trailer quickest to 60 mph.:eek: :eek:

Kampzite,
I was talking about travel trailers which is 12,500 and you are correct about fifth-wheels.

Got the September issue of the Consummer Reports and they rate the 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD with a towing capacity of 9,800 lb, Toyota Tundra 10,300, Ford F-250 12,500 and Dodge 2500 12,850.
My truck is rated @ 12,500 towing. Whats up...have they down rated the Duramax trucks??
The report also claims Toyota Tundra towed a 7,400lb trailer quickest to 60 mph.:eek: :eek:
hmm tundra has a 10300

1500 has a 10500
http://www.gmc.com/sierra900/1500/specsDimension.jsp
i think that is closer to the tundra

malibu 795,
They are rateing the 1500 as 7500Lb towing as max.

I think the best way to make import lovers understand the difference is to have them tow heavy with their riceburner. An aquaintance with the new "full size" Toyota asked why I have 8 lug wheels because "the trucks are the same capacity basically". Some people you just can't reach.

We hooked up my 6800 pound travel trailer to my dad's Crewmax and it pushed it all over the road. It doesn't do that to my 2500 HD. Imagine what 10,000 pounds would do to a Toy.

Consumer Reports is a liberal based magazine. They are very biased toward the Asian market. You will never see a domestic manufacture come out on top of any of their reports, and the sheep of America sucker right into it. Just burns my butt.
(Just venting my 2 cents worth)

They are very biased toward the Asian market. You will never see a domestic manufacture come out on top of any of their reports, and the sheep of America sucker right into it. Burns my butt that GM's are parts loaded from Mexico, I'm tired of seeing this. Tundra's from where? Indiana? Tacoma? Somewhere US based? I think magazines also point this out as well. I feel if the "domestic" market gave a hoot they'd do a better job. Pump rub, steering shafts, tensioners, ridiculously lame idler arms and tie rods, anyone say "injector issues?" I bought my HD because I was willing to buy "American" based on what I thought was real quality, and pay big money for big quality. The nonsense I see HD owners, Ford owners having to deal with these days is pure BS. People are fed up, and Imports are showing more end dependability, nothing to do with sheep. Everything to do with livelyhood.

Consumer Reports probably tested the 6.0 gasser since they didn't specify the 2500HD as a diesel.

BoiseRob

A buddy of mine drives a toyota and i agree with there durability/resale value but these are two different trucks. There is no way anyone is going to say that their little gasser is going to outpull a D-max. They may run compitition against the 6.0 but how long is the rear axle, springs, frame, u-joints going to hold up. Sounds to me one truck is over rated and the other under rated for hauling capabilities making an unfair comparison. If i were to buy a midsize/compact truck it would be toyota, but for a real truck it would be GM HD's or Ford f-250/350.

Is the tundra rated as a 3/4 ton truck? That would be news to me

Consumer Reports is a liberal based magazine. They are very biased toward the Asian market. You will never see a domestic manufacture come out on top of any of their reports, and the sheep of America sucker right into it. Just burns my butt.
(Just venting my 2 cents worth)

Exactly... The first mistake made was believing anything Consumer Reports has to say at face value. It's owned by a bunch of NYC based liberals who have zero clue about what the real people of this country live like.

Consumer Reports probably tested the 6.0 gasser since they didn't specify the 2500HD as a diesel.

BoiseRob

Ummm, even the 6.0 is rated to 12,100 bumper pull and 5th wheel according to this:
http://www.chevrolet.com/trailering/Chevy_Trailing_Guide_Catalog.pdf

http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/specifications/

Consumer Reports probably tested the 6.0 gasser since they didn't specify the 2500HD as a diesel.

BoiseRobThey DID say that the 2500HD was equipped with the 365 hp 6.6L Duramax Diesel. However, they got their trailer weight for the 2500HD completely wrong.

The Chevy Trailering Guide (http://www.chevrolet.com/trailering/Chevy_Trailing_Guide_Catalog.pdf) on Page 6 clearly states that ALL new GMT900 Silverados equipped with the 6.6L Duramax diesel engine can tow a 13,000 lb trailer. Even the CC/LB 4x4 gasser (heaviest one) is rated to tow a 12,100 lb trailer. So they obviously posted the wrong information.Consumers Report has always been very biased AGAINST GM products.I find it very difficult to believe that the Tundra could out-pull the Duramax 2500HD. They must have had the trailer brakes ON when pulling with the Chevy.

If you read the article, you will see that their test scores showed that the 1/2 ton Chevy Avalanche got the best score for the 1/2 ton segment and the Chevy Silverado 6.6L diesel scored the best in the 3/4 ton segment and they still picked the Toyota Tundra and the Dodge Ram as their recommended models. It's like the people that did the ratings were not the same ones who drove them.

They obviously DON'T like diesels. Every chance they got they put down the diesels for being too expensive, too cumbersome to drive, ride is too rough... :blahblah:

They claim that the Chevy trucks were a new design, so they couldn't predict their reliability, but yet the Tundra is also a NEW truck and was rated as "Very Good" for reliability. :confused:

I still can't figure out what they saw in the Dodge Ram 1500 that would cause them to rate it as a Recommended Model, when it scored the absolute WORST for all the 1/2 ton trucks tested.-:t

I do not see why it seems that alot of topics end up with someone saying its because something is liberal. I do not believe that magazine is liberal, although I do think they bias their opinion that products are better from Japan ie: Honda and Toyota.

Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports, is an independent, nonprofit testing and information organization serving only consumers. CU is comprehensive source for unbiased advice about products and services, personal finance, health and nutrition, and other consumer concerns. Since 1936, CU’s mission has been to test products, inform the public, and protect consumers. CU’s income is derived solely from the sale of Consumer Reports and its other services, and from noncommercial contributions, grants, and fees. CU is online at www.consumersunion.org.

I don't go by mags like that. I work with data here at my work and honestly, I can mix up data and technically not lie, but get you the results that you want if you move stuff around enough.

The same holds true for these mags. They like a certain brand, style, etc and that is what they rate it on.

I like my Chevy. I like GM. When it comes to trucks, I will more then likely stick with them. Although I have always had my eye on a 6spd Cummins.

I make my decisions off from boards like this. Real people with real issues. That is what I will always base my decisions on. Not what some magazine wrote who drove the vehicles for maybe a week and then never sat in them again.

You are contradicting yourself in your own post... I do not see why it seems that a lot of topics end up with someone saying its because something is liberal. I do not believe that magazine is liberal, although I do think they bias their opinion that products are better from Japan ie: Honda and Toyota.

Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports, is an independent, nonprofit testing and information organization serving only consumers. CU is comprehensive source for unbiased advice about products and services, personal finance, health and nutrition, and other consumer concerns. Since 1936, CU’s mission has been to test products, inform the public, and protect consumers. CU’s income is derived solely from the sale of Consumer Reports and its other services, and from noncommercial contributions, grants, and fees. CU is online at www.consumersunion.org. (http://www.consumersunion.org.) [/quote] So which is it? :confused:

The second paragraph in your post reads like a commercial for Consumer Reports.

You are contradicting yourself in your own post... "]www.consumersunion.org.[/url]

the bottom section is a quote from the publishers of consumer reports. the top section is mine and I think they are biased towards the japanese vehicles. MY point is more that, I get tired of people blaming a political party for everything. ie: a previous post that said "consumer reports is a liberal magazine" I do not care one way or the other if a magazibne has a political bent. I still will choose what I want.

No one is telling you not to read Consumer Reports. I read it myself occasionally. They DO have some good points about some things. But that still does not negate the fact that they ARE a very liberal biased organization. They regularly promote foreign cars and put down domestic brands even when their own testing says otherwise. They constantly promote more government regulations and more mandatory expensive equipment like tire pressure monitors, electronic stability controls, all around air bags, etc, etc.

I'm not saying that these types of equipment are bad in and of themselves. I just don't want the government to MANDATE what I should or should not be able to buy. All that electronic stuff makes the vehicles more expensive to own and maintain, more complicated to fix and more prone to have problems. If I want that type of equipment, then I would buy it, but I don't want the government to force me to buy something I don't want and may not need, simply because some idiot consumers fail to regularly check their tire pressure or get way over their head while cornering on slippery roads.

Regardless of CU's mission statement, they are obviously biased in alot of their reporting and have been for as long as the magazine has been published. There are alot of lemmings out there that will believe anything they say and don't believe for a minute that they aren't aware of the political climate they can sway just with some slight bias. Don't get me wrong, we are all biased in our own way, but they are the ones in the public eye... not us. I personally don't believe a damn thing they say unless I see it for myself (or care to).

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Mike

I think Got Banks is equating more govt. oversight (socialistic) and knee jerk criticisym(sp) of domestic solutions (or the grass is always greener) as a common liberal paradym. I think he's right in that people with liberal views tend to criticize the way things are without have the nuts to actually DO something different that may be risk exposing weaknesses in their theories.