Wont be released until Dec 04.. Or later.


Production of the current LLY element 97363539, is being phased out. I no longer have stock of these nor have I been able to reorder any. The current LB7 element, 89016324, can be substituted. I will be offering these filters at a discount as what I previously had them.


GM still suggests 15k as a change interval

yeah just to keep u updated, we started running em last tuesday or so,
look like the old LB7 ones with a black stripe across the middle

Kool,


Do you know if the new filters are different on the inside?


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley23.gif

I have a drawing of what the filter will be, quality is low, but I dont even know if its supposed to be public... Source of this asked to remain in the shadows...


www.gmdieseltech.com/llyfilterspec.tif (http://www.gmdieseltech.com/llyfilterspec.tif)


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Can't seem to get the link to work. . . http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

link fixed

Note 1 was interesting. Dual pleat for improved efficiency. Wonder why they don't bite the bullet and go to dual filtration. Probably because they would have to retro-fit every Duramax still running.
Jim Edited by: jholly

Eric,
Thanks for the info on the new filter!! Very Interesting!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif
As Jim pointed out the drawing in the link shows two different layers of filter media - an outer primary pleat block and an inner secondary pleat block. Just a guess but maybe a 10-micron followed by a 1-2 micron??? It also says the interior of the filter will be painted white (prevents rusty filters?)... The spec blocks on the drawing have TBDs. It would be even more interesting to see the actual specs on the final drawing. The date on this preliminary drawing is April 04 so one would guess they are gearing up for production…
Hmmm… sounds like they are improving the filter’s performance…. Essentially primary and secondary filter in one package … Some of us have been doing this for a while now ...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Excellent information Eric !!!- That engineering drawing is worth a thousand words.


I am still trying to read it, but it looks like Isuzu issued an Engineering Change Order to improve the efficiency of the filter (heck, George M. had this figured out over 2 years ago!!). It also looks like Isuzu owns the filter specification (not GM).

There had been some rumors floating around that the new filter would improve filter efficiency. I could not for the life of me figure out how they could do that without increasing the filter dimensions. Goes to show you, I am not a filter engineer.

A dual pleat filter. Thats a good solution for trying to stick with a single filter system (and to keep things simple for the consumer). It would have been interesting to participate in this trade study that went on and how they reached this solution (different approachs and how they relate to cost, schedule, technical). From a pure technical point of view, the optimal solution (from my view point) would have been two distinct filter systems. Just like what many have done on these forums. Its good to know that all the work that was done on the The_Diesel_Page was eventually the direction that Isuzu/GM went (increase of overall fuel system filtering efficiency).


I wonder what those who questioned the need for an increase fuel system filtering efficiency have to say now!!





Alan



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Please keep us updated on this filter Dmaxallitech and thank you for the info!

It would be interesting to compare with existing part drawing if available .

Of course, this filter will be available from GMDIESELTECH.COM when it does become availablehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Of course, this filter will be available from GMDIESELTECH.COM when it does become availablehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

I thought that was a given.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

Jim

So where are the redesigned LB7 filters? Or are we forgotten like a old pair of shoes???? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

So where are the redesigned LB7 filters? Or are we forgotten like a old pair of shoes???? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

naw, they just want you to scrap your trucks and go buy new ones. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

Really, it will be a one size fits all filter. Your LB7 will run the same filter as the LLY. It is LB7 size.

Jim

Minn-Kota wrote: "So where are the redesigned LB7 filters? Or are we forgotten like a old pair of shoes???? "


Read about the new fuel filter in this TSB. It applies to both LLY and LB7.


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17179&P (http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17179&PN=2) N=2

hey guys i'm new to this site but not so new to the diesel world i was reading how much some of you are paying for the filters and was SHOCKED to say the least i crossed over the stock filters to wix numbers (because they make them anyway) and then to napa numbers (because wix makes them too) and have saved a bunch of coinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif and crossed the oil and the trans (spin on )ass well FUEL FILTERS ARE COSTING 12.65$ THE OIL COST3.00$ AND THE TRANS COST 5.13$ IF THIS SOUNDS GOOD GET IN TUCH AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE PART #S YOU NEED FROM NAPA I'M A DIESEL MECHANIC BY TRADE AND ALL WE RUN ON OUR FLEET OF 2,500 TRUCKS IS WIX FILTERS OR NAPA GOLD OR NAPA DURAMAX (HOW FITTING ) FILTERS THANKS FOR YOUR TIME HOPE THISS HELPS YOU SAVE OR AT LEAST CHANGE YOUR FILTERS MORE OFTEN AS I DO .24,000 AND COUNTING ON MY 2004.5

Minn-Kota wrote: "So where are the redesigned LB7 filters? Or are we forgotten like a old pair of shoes???? "


Read about the new fuel filter in this TSB. It applies to both LLY and LB7.


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17179&P N=2 (http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17179&PN=2)





Ahh, I see. Just saw this post in the LLY forum so I automatically assumed it was for LLY only since there was no previous mention of it being a "one size fits all" filter.

So where are the redesigned LB7 filters? Or are we forgotten like a old pair of shoes???? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif


Funny, they know you can buy a Nicktane! GM want's part of the action.

bigdusa1 I sent you a PM.


hey guys i'm new to this site but not so new to the diesel world i was reading how much some of you are paying for the filters and was SHOCKED to say the least i crossed over the stock filters to wix numbers (because they make them anyway) and then to napa numbers (because wix makes them too) and have saved a bunch of coinhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif and crossed the oil and the trans (spin on )ass well FUEL FILTERS ARE COSTING 12.65$ THE OIL COST3.00$ AND THE TRANS COST 5.13$ IF THIS SOUNDS GOOD GET IN TUCH AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE PART #S YOU NEED FROM NAPA I'M A DIESEL MECHANIC BY TRADE AND ALL WE RUN ON OUR FLEET OF 2,500 TRUCKS IS WIX FILTERS OR NAPA GOLD OR NAPA DURAMAX (HOW FITTING ) FILTERS THANKS FOR YOUR TIME HOPE THISS HELPS YOU SAVE OR AT LEAST CHANGE YOUR FILTERS MORE OFTEN AS I DO .24,000 AND COUNTING ON MY 2004.5

Was at the dealer today and decided to test their knowledge. They
knew nothing about a new fuel filter or why the current LLY filter is
on B/O. I explained it to them. They wanted to know where I
get all my info from & I just smiled and said "Friends".

bigdusa - I would love to know how you got pricing like that..I work for napa, and those prices you just posted are far less than cost, if you truely are getting the napa gold filters.....what gives here??

Partsguy I just paid 109.xx for napa fuel filter, AC Delco trans, & 2 filter wrnches.

Right goldeneye....If you can get a napa fuel filter for less than 20
bucks, you know someone.....that's all I have to say about that

Partsguy662, I never said that i got a fuel filter for 20 bucks (fuel filter, trans filter and 2 filter wrenches were 109 and change, 34.00 bucks for a NAPPA GOLD PT# 3810http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif (I think this is a great web site, the knoledge of all the helpful people together in one place is awsome, I am not a persone that is going to misled people into thinking I got a great deal on a part or anything to that nature)


Jim


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I know that you can use the LB7 filter on the LLY, but is it bad for it? Or does it just need to be changed more often due to smaller filter element/media?

GM still says 15k regardless of the element.

I noticed on the filter drawing that the date on the Racor titleblock and it was 04/01/04. Hope it is just a coincidence......

John

I cut open one of the new units today. Many more pleats of about 1/2 the depth of the first design unit, followed by another row of 1/2 depth pleats.

87pleats 1st design, 139pleats plus 77 pleats second design. These are approximations as I did not have the patience to recount. I am also only estimating that the combined depth equals the first design as I did not cut up a first design.


Second design is NOT the longer unit, it is same length as the LB7...

Thanks Kennedy! Hopefully soon someone will do an efficiency test, Wish I could get my hands on one of those filters.

I'll be back in on Monday. I have about 18 of these at this time, and should have no trouble getting more.

I was at Napa yesterday and they said they do not make a fuel filter for my truck!
What a bunch of idiots that store must have. They didnt even know who made the Duramax. I asked for a Fuel filter for a '04 Duramax and they guy asked me who makes that, they other guy said Dodge. Look out the F-ing window buddy..see the bowtie!

I was at Napa yesterday and they said they do not make a fuel filter for my truck!
What a bunch of idiots that store must have. They didnt even know who made the Duramax. I asked for a Fuel filter for a '04 Duramax and they guy asked me who makes that, they other guy said Dodge. Look out the F-ing window buddy..see the bowtie!Well you might want to cut them a little slack in that the LLY filter actually has a different part number from the LB7 when they were released with a longer element. All the filters are Racors since they hold the patent, but some for the LB7 were re-branded and released under other manufacturers labels.

As far as I know, the actual longer LLY filter was never available from anyone but GM. With the change to the new filter, it's the same length as the older LB7 and will fit either engine, but I doubt you'll see them from anyone but GM for some time.

As far as I know, the actual longer LLY filter was never available from anyone but GM. ..................... but I doubt you'll see them from anyone but GM for some time.

I don't know how parts suppliers buy their parts but is it possible that the vendors here could buy direct from GM at a reduced cost (I assume they get some kind of supplier discount) and then offer them for sale on their site for us at basically the same price as we would pay at the dealer (or less would be nice
):h )

There are several vendors here who do exactly that so you are in luck...:cool:

My first handfull of them finally showed up and I already sacrificed one of them to the hacksaw for photo purposes.. will post tonite

This post is over 2 months old. I'm taking my truck in tomorrow to have work done. Is the new fuel filter at the dealerships? If so I may have it changed out since I just went over 10k miles. JJ

JJ ..... If you have the dealer do it, confirm they are using the new filter. I was talking to the Quick Oil Chg service writer at my dealership yesterday, and he said they are still using the old filters. My guess is they are getting rid of the old stock.

Also get a price quote for the filter change. It may prevent you from going into cardiac arrest after getting the bill. (I think Eric posted that he will be selling the new filters for 30 bucks once they show up.) Please let us know what your dealer charges for this service.

If the dealer doesn't have them they can get them. Most don't know about the new filter so you will need to be very specific when you take the truck in. I gave them the GM part# and they tried to sell me the old one. Their supplier even sent them the old one the first time they ordered it. Took me 3 days and 3 trips to get the right filter. Now they know!!!

The new filter is a supercession. They will know about it because it will show up on there stock orders. They can order it but it they may still get the older filter. I did that with an LLY filter order, ended up with the 89016324 filter because that was the superceded number...

Same situation..

Just talked to the service rep at the dealership. She stated they have the new fuel filters in stock. So exactly what am I looking for to ensure I get the new versus the old? I also mentioned the reflash, they are going to hook it up to the Tech II and see what needs to be done. All together I'm having the reflash, fuel filter(?), power window motor on drivers side checked, and having the Auto Bulter service completed. I love the Auto Butler, full detail every six months for $25 bucks and my truck never looks better. I know there are mixed feelings on these services, but for a dually to be detailed it is a steal! JJ

Look for the 1/4" wide black strip that goes around the canister of the new filter.

JJ .... Max Payne posted a picture of the filter in the following thread. The second photo shows the black stripe that Skoryaro2 mentioned.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16378&page=3&pp=10

Look for the posting dated 11/19/04, 9:59 AM.

What is interesting is it also shows an AC Delco parts number. I wonder if this means the filter will also be available from auto parts stores in addition to the dealer. The parts stores will sometimes discount the price compared to the dealer parts counter.

Thanks BH. The picture will be useful in verifying it is the correct filter. JJ

Here is a pic of the box with the part #'s


No I didn't take the tire off to change the filter. I changed the filter while rotating the tires.

The dealership I went to today didn't have the new filters yet. They didn't even know about them. Come on GM! It gets old having to educate their dealership network on their own products. JJ :)

Only place I could find them was on Kennedy's site. Just ordered 3 of 'em.

"Only place I could find them was on Kennedy's site. Just ordered 3 of 'em."
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skoryaro2, did you buy ole JJ a Christmas present? ):h Something tells me I'm going to be sending JK some more of my money! JJ :o

JJ, I know what you mean. I called a Chevy dealer parts department yesterday to see if they had the new filters. I gave him the 973....... part number as shown on the box, also shown on the picture of the filter, and also listed in one of the announcements. He comes back and tells me that the 973...... part number is the old number and then tells me that the old 890... part number is the new filter number! There was no convincing him otherwise. Oh well, I guess it is buyer beware until this all settles out.

"Only place I could find them was on Kennedy's site. Just ordered 3 of 'em."
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skoryaro2, did you buy ole JJ a Christmas present? ):h Something tells me I'm going to be sending JK some more of my money! JJ :o
JJ,

You are close - they are for "Mamma JJ" that we hear about so often" ):h

I noticed she's been a hanging around the truck stop a little too much lately! :rolleyes: Guess I better chain her to the headboard through the holidays. JJ ):h

Bought one yesterday at the Chevy dealer. ACDelco TP1298A, PN# 97385488. $27.56 = $29.43 out the door.

Jomar, does it have the 1/4" black stripe around it? We're hearing dealers are using the new part # but still passing out the old filters to get rid of their inventories. JJ

I just got the new TP1298A from Carl Black's Med Duty Parts department in Kennesaw (Atlanta) talked them down to $28.98

I purchased the AC Delco TP1298A filter from a local auto parts store for Jobber price of 20.98. If you know anyone who has a business or works on cars most parts houses sell to them at jobber price. That is how I purchased mine for 20.98. I e-mailed the acdelco.com web site and asked what the difference in the tp1298 and the tp1298a is and they just said the tp1298a has been upgraded and will replace the tp 1298 once all stocks are depleted. Good luck on price there are still some folks out there who will make a deal.:)

Great info - Should I look to replace this on my own or will there be a TSB and it will get done under warranty

You or the dealer can just change it next time you are due for a fuel filter change. Not under warranty.