Why is it that all the pulling rules say no to drugs? I am all about who can run what they brung? I have asked this question on different boards with no answer. Is it that these people dont know how to answer, or are thay just scared a Powerstroke, or Duramax with these items will embarrass their trucks in the same class? Help me!

All these views and nobody has a clue. How sad.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

I think every body is keeping quite for fear of it turning ugly. Dont worry, someone is bound to pop in and say its cheating and the easy way out and bla bla bla.


Here I'll say it to get it outa the way.


NAAAWS is for girly men, its cheating and easy cheap HP in a bottle and its not really work. Anyone that runs it will blow up thier truck. You should stay off the drugs and make power the "real" way.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley23.gif


On with the disscusionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

I think it's because drugs work better on a duramax compared to a cummins. The Cummins guys have more influence on the rules because there are more of them. That's why there is only a few stock turbo classes.Edited by: mtomac

THEY ARE scared a Powerjoke, or Duramax with these items will embarrass their trucks in the same class? Help me!


W/o the drugs Mike isn't far away and Kyle w/ more air is close to the big ones.


So YES they are scared http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


They'd hate to see a Dmax w/ $2000 in power upgrades running or beating their custom secret squirel stuff w/ a lot more money in them http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Maybe because a lot of people have put ALOT of money into turbos, and don't want anyone being able to compete by taking the "cheap" way out. Of course I believe that computer engines are cheating too, only trucks with mechanical injection ought to be allowed to competehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Thanks, keep them coming. I was getting bored. Seems most sites dont like to argue. I am in need of conflict I guess.


Hey I will be the first to admit. Owning a cummins is not as fun as it looks. thousands of dollars to make them gain a mere 350 plus hp. What a joke, then the charger cant take a beating much over 400 hp.





NOS and pane are just ways of making power so shut up and Dance!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

A Duramax with a stock turbo and bigger injector nozzles with nitrous could compete with any single charger or twin street truck out there and spend way less money.

Look at the price of the turbo kits out there that you can buy and bolt onto a cummins. Now look at the price of a N2O "kit". Now peice together a N2O kit for alot less cash ok......N2O is pretty cheap. Now lets do some quick math, 8$-10$per pound, 15 pound bottle=how many runs? N2O isnt all that cheap if you play much.


Tomac coulda bought more turbos than Got Juice has went through with the $ he has spent in fill ups if they let him run on the bottle every event I bet. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Look at the price of the turbo kits out there that you can buy and bolt onto a cummins. Now look at the price of a N2O "kit". Now peice together a N2O kit for alot less cash ok......N2O is pretty cheap. Now lets do some quick math, 8$-10$per pound, 15 pound bottle=how many runs? N2O isnt all that cheap if you play much.


Tomac coulda bought more turbos than Got Juice has went through with the $ he has spent in fill ups if they let him run on the bottle every event I bet. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Yea but only 4 or 5 times/ dragrace, I'd say it's still lots cheaper.


What's the addage


BLOW'N IS NICE BUT INJECTION IS BETTER http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I only pay $4.50 per # for nitrous not $8-10 per #

If I was using alot of nitrous I'd just by a 100# mother bottle from the welding/gas supplier and it would be even cheaper yet.Edited by: mtomac

You pay 4.5? not bad is that the going rate for your area? I thought most places were higher than that.


Who can keep thier finger off the fun button on the street? I know i dont have the self controll. I'll be investing in a filling station and be going through more N2O than a dentist's officehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I thought the addage was If its not blown it suckshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


One of these days I will be a good papa and start bottle feeding my baby.

Boy this is better. I was in need of some chat. The fun button will be pressed many times if I had it. Problem is, my reputwtion has precedded me here and no Dodge will play anymore. They just dont look over at the ride.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I've noticed that alot of the cummins guys don't like to come out and play anymore because they know what the d-max is capable of. Shoot, Super Diesel was within 10 hp of Maddog's $20,000+ Piers, twin turbo charged cummins/ford on the same dyno at ATS http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif. And SD was only running bolt ons and plug in's!!!


I know that's gonna get the dodge boys fired up!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

You pay 4.5? not bad is that the going rate for your area? I thought most places were higher than that.


Who can keep thier finger off the fun button on the street? I know i dont have the self controll. I'll be investing in a filling station and be going through more N2O than a dentist's officehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I thought the addage was If its not blown it suckshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


One of these days I will be a good papa and start bottle feeding my baby.





I can get it for a buck and half less than that $4.50. Must be all the hicks huffing it around here keeping the price low. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Hmmmm. I gota stop listening to my buds, they were telling me they wanted 8-10$ around here per pound. made a call and 3.75$ herehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


Anyone run medical grade? I'm setting the purge noid to feed a mask in the cab. I'm going to get me a fighterpilot helmet with the flip down shade so the track officials cant see my glazed eyeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

You pay 4.5? not bad is that the going rate for your area? I thought most places were higher than that.


Who can keep thier finger off the fun button on the street? I know i dont have the self controll. I'll be investing in a filling station and be going through more N2O than a dentist's officehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I thought the addage was If its not blown it suckshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


One of these days I will be a good papa and start bottle feeding my baby.





I can get it for a buck and half less than that $4.50. Must be all the hicks huffing it around here keeping the price low. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif








try $2.25 per pound... If I had to pay you guys' prices I might have to drive a dodgehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

Tomac coulda bought more turbos than Got Juice has went through with the $ he has spent in fill ups if they let him run on the bottle every event I bet. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





PRITJ!


OUCH!


PRITJ=Pow! Right in the Jimmy!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

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BLOW'N IS NICE BUT INJECTION IS BETTER http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


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I'D Rather be Blownhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif Than Injected

I dont mean to be the only dodge guy trudging though this...but what if the rules let Nitrous in -wouldn't the dodges get to run it too?? not to rain on anybodys parade but the duramax isnt the only motor that can blow up a dyno on the bottle. I'm totally for the http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif juice...and would love to see it used during a slep pull. However, Im sure these big time Dodges dont want to have to use juice to compete because the power it adds will mean more money into the rest of the truck (axles, rearends,ect.)...whereas on the Dmax N20 will put you right at the threshold of manageable power on the stock driveline (at current Dmax performance levels). Maybe Im just thinking out loud??


Of course it could be because we're a bunch of sackless pansies who bend the rules so we dont have to cry..

Of course it could be because we're a bunch of sackless pansies who bend the rules so we dont have to cry..


You must be from the TDR with that comment!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


(actually i know you are...lol)

Yeah you know us on the TDR, we charge $35 bucks so we dont have to worry about anyone invading our club and telling us how lame our trucks really arehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif...I like to call it 'ego insurance'. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Yeah you know us on the TDR, we charge $35 bucks so we dont have to worry about anyone invading our club and telling us how lame our trucks really arehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif...I like to call it 'ego insurance'. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif








Ok, time for me to join up!


I like the TDR actually, nice place to visithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Somebody has been sleeping. The Dodges I compeated with both time WERE running N2O and I know they are definitly nothing to fear. Only one came into the same time zone as me, and it was Maddog. Now, when we start putting the same tech inside our motors the Dodges have invested into them...... I sold my Dodge 12V and got a Dmax for a reason. The breed must be improved all the time or you have complacency. I can't believe some think Dodge would be on top forever. The Romans use to think the same way. If you don't have compitition, nothing gets improved. Some times it is better to step aside to let the breed improve. Thus, latter you have a better Cummins as well. Now, with that said, GM and the Duramax won't be standing still. However, we are getting CRAZY power out of these things already. I for one am happy with 500-600HP on the street. The monster power is reserved for the track (and a few other stunts). I have no death wish. I showed a few why 800hp and 1500fpt is not realy ideal for street use. If your tires hook up or your in 4WD, it can get flat dangerous. Nice to know its there though.

I dont mean to be the only dodge guy trudging though this...but what if the rules let Nitrous in -wouldn't the dodges get to run it too?? not to rain on anybodys parade but the duramax isnt the only motor that can blow up a dyno on the bottle. I'm totally for the http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif juice...and would love to see it used during a slep pull. However, Im sure these big time Dodges dont want to have to use juice to compete because the power it adds will mean more money into the rest of the truck (axles, rearends,ect.)...whereas on the Dmax N20 will put you right at the threshold of manageable power on the stock driveline (at current Dmax performance levels). Maybe Im just thinking out loud??


Of course it could be because we're a bunch of sackless pansies who bend the rules so we dont have to cry..





The big power cummings w/ the large/twin turbos won't gain what the under turbo'd Dmaxs can.


I'll bet the NOS on cummings is mainly to decrease turbo lag on the big'uns


Just like SD found out in his dyno pulls.

The cummings comment was mostly to stir the pot, might be worth a few more posts http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

BLOW'N IS NICE BUT INJECTION IS BETTER http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


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I'D Rather be Blownhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif Than Injected


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I'll bet u would rather be


BLOWN BY TWINS W/ INJECTION!

easy super diesel.....easy.....you're not talking to snoman here. I am fully aware of how far the Dmax has come and where it's going. I'm impressed and I would have bought one if I could afford it. With that said, I dont think it would be a total shutout if Nitrous was introduced to the 'sport'. I think the reason you don't see a lot of Cummins (note spelling Dmax Tim http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) with nitrous is because they can use a bigger charger(s) with relative ease and have the power without the bottle. On that note...it seems like the limits of these trucks is determined essentially by how much fuel you can push through it and if you can meet the airflow requirements (nitrous or turbo). I think few will doubt the flow capabilities of the P7100 (not sure how much the Dmax pump can feed). Once the neverending fuel needs have been met we start to see the engine's internal limits.. (headgaskets, rods, ect.). It's clear the dodge 12V head gasket cannot hold as much power as the the Dmax. This, like most shortcomings can be overcome with money. The more money you have, the more "shortcummins" you can overcome.


The guys with the most money will usually have the new trucks. The most easily modded new truck is the Dmax. This combination of facts is probably why Dmax is the next to rule the mountain (thats right, I agree with superdiesel).


OOps, my TDR membership dues just went up.

easy super diesel.....easy.....you're not talking to snoman here. I am fully aware of how far the Dmax has come and where it's going. I'm impressed and I would have bought one if I could afford it. With that said, I dont think it would be a total shutout if Nitrous was introduced to the 'sport'. I think the reason you don't see a lot of Cummins (note spelling Dmax Tim http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) with nitrous is because they can use a bigger charger(s) with relative ease and have the power without the bottle. On that note...it seems like the limits of these trucks is determined essentially by how much fuel you can push through it and if you can meet the airflow requirements (nitrous or turbo). I think few will doubt the flow capabilities of the P7100 (not sure how much the Dmax pump can feed). Once the neverending fuel needs have been met we start to see the engine's internal limits.. (headgaskets, rods, ect.). It's clear the dodge 12V head gasket cannot hold as much power as the the Dmax. This, like most shortcomings can be overcome with money. The more money you have, the more "shortcummins" you can overcome.


The guys with the most money will usually have the new trucks. The most easily modded new truck is the Dmax. This combination of facts is probably why Dmax is the next to rule the mountain (thats right, I agree with superdiesel).


OOps, my TDR membership dues just went up.








Not to pee in your cornflakes there bud, but yes a PDR or Buddah power 'stoopid' pump P7100 LCDV B&P Racked/balanced can flow major fuel.


But if i can figure out a twin CP3 Pump arrangement on a DMX and someone comes up with a big twin setup.... look out!


We have 2 rails that are running out of flow. Even with a lift pump we will not crack over 750 RWHP on fuel only . that is a given. where the HPCR DMX has the advantage over the CTD is we feed off of 2 rails. So begs the question... why not run twin CP3 Pumps to each rail? We have not come close to maxing out our stock injectors at all... we are only hitting 58% of our maximum duty cycle with the stockers. If we can pull it off with twin pumps, it will make the P7100 look like it has a fuel leak in terms of volume and attainable pressure (not flaming, just stating that) IF.... and that is a big IF ... we can do that and have sustainable airflow, the programmers like Steve Cole will have a Field Day with all of that fuel to play with. At that point a HP lift pump will become a necessity to feed both pumps. 2 pumps, double pumping capacity at same stock pressures should give us a theoretical (if we assume we have enough air) 8-950 RWHP capability.... but... then what will give? Studs? yep mandatory now. C-Ring? yep mandatory. Billet crank Girdle... possibly... Enhanced Rods definately.


While true the DMX has come a long ways, there is a lot of untapped potential here that is yet to be realized, and if i had the scratch to do it i would have another DMX in my driveway with these itams already done to it.


But someone will do it.... there is my idea folks... Super Diesel... your dragster?.... Git R Done!

Theres no need to flush my cornflakes. I agree completely with what you're saying...I hope my previous reply made that clear.


Definately somebody will do it.......and when they're done, somebody else will do more. And when somebody does more it's good for a laugh or two, right juice grips??http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

And when somebody does more it's good for a laugh or two, right juice grips??http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif





Ouch!


PRITJ!


good onehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Feeding two rails from one pump is not much advantage considering the
Cummins is only a 6 banger with one rail. I'm sure the volumes were
engineered to accomidate flows for the stock hps. Knowing if one has
more of an "accumulated" advantage than the other would take more than
a guess to understand.



We still haven't seen any 8 second Dmaxes out there in real drag form. There are 8 second Cummins' running.



V8 6.6... new technology engine design against old technology 5.6
inline 6 cylinder. You would expect the V8 to be king. The PSD hasn't
done it.

The Dmax can beat the Cummins in stock engine dress and probably will
beat it as the bigger bucks and mods go into it in heavily modded forms.



I think the shorter stroke V8 acts more like a gasser. The Cummins was never meant to act like a V8.


Edited by: hoot

No bad intentions vortecfcar. Were all in the good game, and ahead of the rest that don't believe in diesel power (which I believe is where the future of the modern vehicle is headed if you need power). Soon there will be a rush to get diesel vehicles in any form (expecially VWs) because of the rising fuel prices. Some of us will start to make our fuel in our own garages (it's to simple), some will buy it from them making it or biodiesel plants. It will save our economy and and clean up our atmosphere. The Aribic countries have already filed for aid from the US, because they know we will go to alternitive fuels and they will be in dire straights. IBDMAX'IN is helping put the kits together for sale so we can start making it on our (your) own. Biodiesel is expensive right now only because there is not much compitition in the area. The more plants there are and the more that are making it on there own, the cheaper the fuel will be. The only side effect will be that our motors will last much longer because of the increased lubricity from running it. Truly the future is a bright one for us so called diesel heads. If your curious about the facts go to www.gobiodieselpower.com (http://www.gobiodieselpower.com).

Why is it that all the pulling rules say no to
drugs? I am all about who can run what they brung? I have
asked this question on different boards with no answer. Is it
that these people dont know how to answer, or are thay just scared a
Powerstroke, or Duramax with these items will embarrass their trucks in
the same class? Help me!



Maybe thay don't want the flammables on board.

Propane=Flammable


Nitrous=Catalyst


Either way, it is a bad deal during a fire.Edited by: Trippin

Feeding two rails from one pump is not much advantage considering the Cummins is only a 6 banger with one rail. I'm sure the volumes were engineered to accomidate flows for the stock hps. Knowing if one has more of an "accumulated" advantage than the other would take more than a guess to understand.

We still haven't seen any 8 second Dmaxes out there in real drag form. There are 8 second Cummins' running.

V8 6.6... new technology engine design against old technology 5.6 inline 6 cylinder. You would expect the V8 to be king. The PSD hasn't done it.
The Dmax can beat the Cummins in stock engine dress and probably will beat it as the bigger bucks and mods go into it in heavily modded forms.

I think the shorter stroke V8 acts more like a gasser. The Cummins was never meant to act like a V8.



#1 The Cummins Turbo Diesel is a 5.9L


#2 your post on the TDR of the DMX running more RPMS stock to stock is false... 300RPMS in a CDT is the same crank revs RPMS as a DMX makes unless you are talking about mean piston speed, in which case the cummins has more piston speed.


#3 i have looked at CTD common rails and measured them as well as DMX common rails and measured them (while turbos got changedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)


#4 I think the Cummins is the Best Engine out there, but the DMX is not as weak as it seems.

Horsepower wars are so cool!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

Blake

I've noticed that alot of the cummins guys don't like to come out and play anymore because they know what the d-max is capable of. Shoot, Super Diesel was within 10 hp of Maddog's $20,000+ Piers, twin turbo charged cummins/ford on the same dyno at ATS http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif. And SD was only running bolt ons and plug in's!!!


I know that's gonna get the dodge boys fired up!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Now that's funny considering I had only reached 2400rpm's before I had to shut down and at that point my horsepower curve was going straight up. Super Diesels Dmax is not even close to a built 12 valve even with NOS, propane, and water-meth. Show me a Dmax that can run a 10.59 @ 130mph and do it on diesel fuel only.

Hey Maddog1, Do you have any suggestions as to increasing the Dmax HP? I know you have been around for a long time and know what you are talking about. You're imput would be extreamly welcome to me. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif





Burner-------------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

I've noticed that alot of the cummins guys don't like to come out and play anymore because they know what the d-max is capable of. Shoot, Super Diesel was within 10 hp of Maddog's $20,000+ Piers, twin turbo charged cummins/ford on the same dyno at ATS http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif. And SD was only running bolt ons and plug in's!!!


I know that's gonna get the dodge boys fired up!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Now that's funny considering I had only reached 2400rpm's before I had to shut down and at that point my horsepower curve was going straight up. Super Diesels Dmax is not even close to a built 12 valve even with NOS, propane, and water-meth. Show me a Dmax that can run a 10.59 @ 130mph and do it on diesel fuel only.





MADDOG....Great to meet you at PDR and the Northwest Nationals!


Glad to see you crack 130 MPH in the 1/4 on #2 only (read it on the TDR) That is AWESOME!

It's commin Maddog. This next one will be purpose built, not a stock motor like before, so I can turn it WAY up. This one will get some attention. My truck is 8000lbs as well. It won't break into the 10s unless I lean on it some more and build the internals up (thus no more stock). No question on which motor will take the most hp in stock form though. Now, do I dare say it? Can we threaten the Alcohol guys with these diesels at the track? The torque available most certainly says, yes. I know we will go much further than the gasoline powered vehicles because of the shear efficency of the diesel (I believe it is 19% comared to 13% of a gasser) which is far better and the power (143,000 megajoules per gallon compaired to 125,000 in gasoline) in diesel compared to gasoline. Let us not forget that this is a team effort from the diesels to put to bed what is the better motor. Glad to have you on the team Maddog.

Show me a Dmax that can run a 10.59 @ 130mph and do it on diesel fuel only.





10.59 @ 130mph on #2 is very impressive http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif...............But.....Show me a Dmax with:


1) Ported heads


2) Performance camshaft


3) Bigger Turbo


4) All properly set up and tuned and you will have your 10.59 @ 130 mph Dmax.


The point of my rant is this: The engine doesn't know what name is on it. They are all ruled by the same laws of physics. Therefore, in it's most basic form, moving the same amount of air and fuel through each will lead to similar results.


Keep up the good work Maddog, I enjoy reading about your accomplishments.


Any chance we can talk you into
applying your talents to a DMAX? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

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Any chance we can talk you into
applying your talents to a DMAX? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif











Well he did watch my run at PDR... who knows?

This is what this site needed a nice discussion with some funny stuff inside. Loving it.





Flammables?!!!!! Whimps!!!!!! Where a fire suit and let it ride.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

There are two simple factors delaying the true exposure of the potential of the Dmax.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />


1. Still a relatively new and expensive motor with few of us with the balls to apply sufficient power to blow one up to find the stock component limits. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif NOS is simply an important and cost effective tool for this quest for knowledge. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


2. Not enough blown up motors to find out what needs to be rebuilt to make power on a purpose built motor from day one to avoid going through step 1. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


There is simply a progression down the path of 1 and 2 that is the natural order of evolution for a motor. Dmaxs are still probably 2-3 years behind the LS1 motors in the F-bodies and Vettes in terms of tuning tools, aftermarket options for heads, turbots and such.


The LS1motors are now running low 9s NA, mid-high 8s on juice and soon to be low 8s/high 7s on stock cubed, stock cranked, forged internals in the next two weeks. That's right, a stock cubed 346CI V8, with a factory stock crank will be running at the 7/8sec barrier down at the Thunder Shootout in November. Last year's record was an 8.52sec on a fully built C5R racing motor with a blower in a shop car costing well over $100K. A .5 sec ET jump on a motor with any stock components will be pretty impressive. Even more so because it will be an individual's car with a lot less dollars in it and the support of his buddies for a common goal. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif It's possible through loss and discovery in steps 1 and 2 by other enthusiast though.


So I'm looking forward to seeing what the purpose built/purpose tuned Dmaxs can do in the future. I'd volunteer to blow up my Dmax for the discovery but the quest for low 9s in the car all ready has my wife looking for a hit man. So someone else needs to step up to the plate.<?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /> </v:image></v:shape>http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif


Rick

The performace diesel is really about 100 years behind the gassers. This is vertually uncharted territory. A couple of brave souls have been doing some things but with small results to the enevitable end of what the diesels are realy capable of. I have done my fair share of carnage on these Dmaxes to know how to do it good now. Building a performace diesel insn't like going to Jegs to by performance parts. You have to be able to make some of them your self or pay huge bucks for the work to get done (thats if you know what needs to be done and where). This is history folks. The face of racing is changing. It's only a matter of time before some thrill seeker stuffs one of these babys into there drag camero. With what they do in our trucks already, it's only imaginable what one would do in a veheicle that is only 1/2 -1/3 the weight. The days of the old noisy, slow reving, under powered diesel is gone. When I get the dragster done it will put some things to rest, and it's on it's way.