it what i got cant afford to buy a 4wd and just lookig to have fun
28-30" hitch height
LONG traction bars i got 20' of .316 wall 2.632OD carbon steel pipe from another project
some aggressive tires round the 33x14r16,sts, boggers, claws, tsl maybe most come in 10.5. 12.5 and 14.00 widths....even AG tread,
air bags for the back

drop front all the way down
block it so the front will have to pic the tire to come up
small tires 245 or 265
i would be pulling first gear only doubt i could get desent speed in second less i drop form 3.73 to 4.10

im not expceting this to be a winnig combo but maybe mid pack i have seen 250' 2wd pulls


im shure some will tell me to forget it so to them :flipa:

wow three days and no one has any comment?

Go for it Mali. Let us know how you do.

Forget it ):h

We're all thinking it, someone has to say it.

Bu, if you don't mind getting your arse kicked, go for it. Some clubs might even let you run, but some won't once they figure out you're wasting their time.

Hitch height is NOT your call, man, you're killing me ):h LMAO!

Don't block the front end....induces real bad bounce.

Oh well, if you do it, please make sure we get the video.

Forget it ):h

We're all thinking it, someone has to say it.

Bu, if you don't mind getting your arse kicked, go for it. Some clubs might even let you run, but some won't once they figure out you're wasting their time.

Hitch height is NOT your call, man, you're killing me ):h LMAO!

Don't block the front end....induces real bad bounce.

Oh well, if you do it, please make sure we get the video.

Now thats breaking it to him gently :eek:

He knows, I'm sure he knows!

Forget it ):h

We're all thinking it, someone has to say it.

Bu, if you don't mind getting your arse kicked, go for it. Some clubs might even let you run, but some won't once they figure out you're wasting their time.

Hitch height is NOT your call, man, you're killing me ):h LMAO!
i know hitch height is not may call
but it would be a :nutkick: to get beat by a 2wd truck now wouldnt it

i know hitch height is not may call
but it would be a :nutkick: to get beat by a 2wd truck now wouldnt it

Ain't gonna happen, unless the 4x4 truck either breaks, or the driver is a complete moron.

Do you really want to potentially hurt your truck fighting over 12th place?

Ain't gonna happen, unless the 4x4 truck either breaks, or the driver is a complete moron.

Do you really want to potentially hurt your truck fighting over 12th place?

hmmmmmm so you thing i have no chance in get a 2wd to hook well enough.
yeah im down two tires.......... and a reduction gear...... but unlike a 4x which need roughly equal weight on all tires repectively..... i get to put all the weight on 2 tires.
4x would wnat to hang weight in fornt of the tires that would be determental to a 2wd setup ie taking effective wieght off the rear tires......
ideally you would want put the wieght between the front and rear axles
for a 2wd...
limiting travel front wheel travel not induce wheel hop on rear axles....


so..........theoretically it is and the first 75' would be the tell tall

Wrong. The front axle has tons to do with hop. You need to watch some video footage of the onset of hop and you'll see that it has a lot to do with the dynamics of the rear AND front.

Second, the tubing you mentioned will flex like a noodle at 20' long, I guarantee it.

The thing with 2WD is, you go so far and then as soon as the back tires break loose, you are done done done. Which, on Cali tracks, is going to be at 200', if you can even get the sled moving.

I'm all for trying stupid things once. Don't spend any money on it, though.

Wrong. The front axle has tons to do with hop. You need to watch some video footage of the onset of hop and you'll see that it has a lot to do with the dynamics of the rear AND front. ture i agree wth most of it....

Second, the tubing you mentioned will flex like a noodle at 20' long, I guarantee it. tell how i am going to get 240" of tubing in a 167" wheel base???????? im talking about 100-120" per side

The thing with 2WD is, you go so far and then as soon as the back tires break loose, you are done done done. Which, on Cali tracks, is going to be at 200', if you can even get the sled moving.same with a 4x4 once the tires loos complet traction you are done done done. hint spining tires is a loss of traction

I'm all for trying stupid things once. Don't spend any money on it, though.
i can all ways take the booger and play in hte sand;)

10', 20', ain't gonna matter. Go read an article about flexure in slender columns.

LMAO, "I agree with most of it" now that's funny coming from someone who's never hooked to a sled, ever.

Just make sure you get video!

10', 20', ain't gonna matter. Go read an article about flexure in slender columns.

LMAO, "I agree with most of it" now that's funny coming from someone who's never hooked to a sled, ever.

Just make sure you get video!
i have lengthen the pipe you have to make it postostionally thicker so that it wont flex/bend most ppl are running anything form 50"-almost 90"legnth
and from what i have seen form .100" to .250" wall form the guys that have posted in the varisous traction bar threads and debat on wall thickness round/square stregnths lenghts....................... ect ect


here is a question why would you want to know what CG,ICG ECG (the whole purpose behind a traditonal 4 link) are and what it doe weight weight transfer????????

just for giggles i threw in seom pic of the pipe i have laying around and up against the truck it currently 120" long.... i will cut it so it mount just behing the middle cab mounth there and overal legnth will be 100"

spec on the pipe XXHD160 carbon steel pipe ID 2" wall thickness .316 little bigger than (5/16" @ .3126") OD 2.625(2 5/8") last time i check NO one is running anything this thick

oh i sure will get a a video;)

:eek: I think he just called out the engineer of Dmax sled pulling, I better go stock up on pretzels!

:eek: I think he just called out the engineer of Dmax sled pulling, I better go stock up on pretzels!
same pricniple apply in drag racing on 2wd vehicles;)

do you know where you CG is on you truck adam i know where mine is with in 6";)

Malibu, My 04 is 2wd. I tried to pull it. what a joke. Dont do it. they laugh a lot. Its got lots of power,just not built to pull a sled. Thats like trying to race a mud bogger and a formula one car together,two different animals. I respect your opinion though,but Ive tried it just for giggles,that long driveshaft has a lot of u-joints to fix.

Max, My 04 is 2wd. I tried to pull it. what a joke. Dont do it. they laugh a lot. Its got lots of power,just not built to pull a sled. Thats like trying to race a mud bogger and a formula one car together,two different animals. I respect your opinion though,but Ive tried it just for giggles,that long driveshaft has a lot of u-joints to fix.


and i bet you went with AT or the like tires that you drove in on right??????you would need some hting that will close to the same amount of traction with 2 tire that most get with 4 tires most 4x4 can not run boggers TOO MUCH traction for a for 400-500hp 4x4 ie WS class

2wd suck at drag racing as well 14.33 at 100.75mph is my fastest mph 60' 2.40 with NO slicks i have the power for a low 13 et just no traction fastest time is 13.82 with 12.5" wide tires
my best 60' is 2.09 with 12.50 on a good prep track what does stock 4x4 do 1.8-1.9 60 with street tires

so with that said should i quit drag racing too:banghead:
that just leave burn out comp and dyno:banghead:

I don't currently have access to scales and setup pads like I once did, but if you would like me to I could ask some favors from old friends to get access to some and let you know the CG, static roll centers, spring rates, shock compression & rebound, and whatever else geometrically is. Could do it in street form and pulling form also if you would like, but I really don't have time to, and IMO it's not as nescasary on 300 ft. of dirt as it was on an asphalt oval. I do however get what power I've got to the ground, good luck to you trying it with 2 wheels, Oh and get some video! ;)

Food for thought, 6" ain't close IMO, better get your scratch pad and tape measure back out :D

I had BFG muds on. as soon as it started to spin it was over. No disrespect but go try it first,youll see what we are all talking about. I have a 01 4wd that I pull. Its a different experience altogether.My trucks a dually also that probably isnt helping me out either. I use the 2wd for towing not for playing in the dirt. I just had to see once,and I was right it doesnt belong on a pulling track.But I respect your opinion,go ahead and try it maybe youll have better luck than I did.

I don't currently have access to scales and setup pads like I once did, but if you would like me to I could ask some favors from old friends to get access to some and let you know the CG, static roll centers, spring rates, shock compression & rebound, and whatever else geometrically is. Could do it in street form and pulling form also if you would like, but I really don't have time to, and IMO it's not as nescasary on 300 ft. of dirt as it was on an asphalt oval. I do however get what power I've got to the ground, good luck to you trying it with 2 wheels, Oh and get some video! ;)

Food for thought, 6" ain't close IMO, better get your scratch pad and tape measure back out :D
6" right is sloppy for an oval track but good enough for 300'
60gl of fuel changes the handle big time over empty;)

You should be able to drag race that thing, 2WD didn't keep BMDMAX from doing it. Just get a set of slicks for it.

A lot less pain in the arse than trying to pull will be.

:) Malibu, my take on this that your bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight.:D

I do applaud your efforts however.:ro)

:) Malibu, my take on this that your bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight.:D

I do applaud your efforts however.:ro)
funny that is how i feel taking my truck to the track sat i couldnt mange anything faster than a 14.9 @ 99mph.....logged wheel speed 107 a the strip with 315 tires 60' 2.5xx:banghead:

:) Malibu, my take on this that your bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight.:D

Take it from Pops, he knows what that's like ):h

You should be able to drag race that thing, 2WD didn't keep BMDMAX from doing it. Just get a set of slicks for it.

A lot less pain in the arse than trying to pull will be.
with that attitude would say get a set of deddiate pulling tire and i could pull as well................

with that attitude would say get a set of deddiate pulling tire and i could pull as well................

No, slicks on asphalt are a far cry from XYZ tire in dirt, don't care how "special" it is.

oK, I take that back. You get a set of Cepek cut puller tires, and yeah, you'd be going somewhere. Pity you'd only be able to use them in a mod class....4WD Mods.

Here Mali if this makes you feel better :D

Mount your traction bars on top of the axle to give you some front end lift, at least you may be able to pull the wheels up in the air. I say try it at a test and tune as to avoid any hard laughing out of the crowd and see if it works.

Mount your traction bars on top of the axle to give you some front end lift, at least you may be able to pull the wheels up in the air. I say try it at a test and tune as to avoid any hard laughing out of the crowd and see if it works.
is that a typo?????? the top of the axle rotate backward and would pull the front DOWN

a TNT for pullng would be great

Malibue i no we have had are disagreements before but i pull with my two wheel drive with u haveing a stock tranny put your colum in 3 u will probley shift all 3 gear i no mine does but if not u will atleast hit second kinda be easy on it coming out of the whole so u dont dig her down once u get it moving hammer it and i mean hammer it are two wheel drive have got to get are mometum going at the begging in order to do well in the end

My, you sure have a way with words!

Malibue i no we have had are disagreements before but i pull with my two wheel drive with u haveing a stock tranny put your colum in 3 u will probley shift all 3 gear i no mine does but if not u will atleast hit second kinda be easy on it coming out of the whole so u dont dig her down once u get it moving hammer it and i mean hammer it are two wheel drive have got to get are mometum going at the begging in order to do well in the end
errrr read mi sig again their buddy iirc i have a sc4 inte truck and sled pull i would me luck to get in ot second gear with 3.73 gears and 33" tires do the math

errrr read mi sig again their buddy iirc i have a sc4 inte truck and sled pull i would me luck to get in ot second gear with 3.73 gears and 33" tires do the math

I run 35 inch tires on my truck 35 15 r 16 and mine will shift all 3 gears and i have 3.73 gear ratio u will see for yourself i figured i would help u out but the hell with it

I run 35 inch tires on my truck 35 15 r 16 and mine will shift all 3 gears and i have 3.73 gear ratio u will see for yourself i figured i would help u out but the hell with it
ok spinf you tires at a sled pull is NOT waht you want to do nor 50+mph wheel speed

1st gear and 33" is 30mph at almost 3500rpm

and thank you for you help but i got hte engine the way i like it so thank you but no thanks :)

Your going to spin weather u want to or not tires have got to find traction and they have to dig to do it

Your going to spin weather u want to or not tires have got to find traction and they have to dig to do it
spinning is a loss of traction
most of these guys are runnign wheel speed about 5mph fast than ground speed

No matter how slow or fast u go u are going to spin with a 2 wd just pull once doing it how u wanna then pull once like i told u and i promise u will go father the way i told u i use to baby it myself but do what u wanna

No matter how slow or fast u go u are going to spin with a 2 wd just pull once doing it how u wanna then pull once like i told u and i promise u will go father the way i told u i use to baby it myself but do what u wanna
and how far havyou pull a sled in a 2wd truck may i ask?????!!!!!!!!!


jus tliek that pulse width must be a mister:rolleyes:

All the furture u have to pull it here is 250 foot i have pulled it 235

we also have a 2 wheel drive class thats what i pull in i do not pull in diesel class which i will pull in july 21st

malibue i no we have had are disagreements before but i pull with my two wheel drive with u haveing a stock tranny put your colum in 3 u will probley shift all 3 gear i no mine yeah and run the though the traps a 5000rpm!!!!:eek: no thankyou!!!!!!! does but if not u will atleast hit second kinda be easy on it coming out of the whole so u dont dig her down once u get it moving hammer it and i mean hammer it are two wheel drive have got to get are mometum going at the begging in order to do well in the end
what part of suncoast stage 4 dont you understand!!!!!
i run 35 inch tires on my truck 35 15 r 16 and mine will shift all 3 gears and i have 3.73 gear ratio u will see for yourself i figured i would help u out but the hell with it
wtf is a 3515 r16?!?!?!?!? still back to the 5000rpm trap
your going to spin weather u want to or not tires have got to find traction and they have to dig to do it
@3500rpm first gear you are doing 30mph go look at some sled pulling videos !!!!!!!!!
no matter how slow or fast u go u are going to spin with a 2 wd just pull once doing it how u wanna then pull once like i told u and i promise u will go father the way i told u i use to baby it myself but do what u wanna
and how many hooks do you have running a 2wd truco with a stock tranny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you still have not disclose the ms of the inj!!!!!! i gave you mine
can i get an answer to any of these?????? censored :mad:

I've watched many 2wd's pull and would like to see more diesels pulling in the 2wd class.

Don't block the front end....induces real bad bounce.



I figured he ment strap it. Limiting straps to keep the tired from droping? Figured this would be a good thing???

Malibu, I run an open wheel car on the dirt every week, and sometimes a little wheel speed doesn't hurt when traction is limited. I personally do everything possible to keep'em hooked up, but on more then one occasion I've been pedaling a car to keep from turning'em and had a car go by me like I was standing still, tires just a buzz'n. Guess it all depends on track conditions. Good Luck, could be interesting.

I figured he ment strap it. Limiting straps to keep the tired from droping? Figured this would be a good thing???.

Well, I'm not ever sure what either of these guys means by their posts...

But, if you try to limit the uptravel of the nose of the truck, by hard-limiting the travel of upper or lower a-arms, that's bad. There's a couple ways to do it with jack bolts and arm straps and whatnot. All bad, as far as I have seen and experienced.

Experienced? When have you pulled with a 2wd truck? :p:

:joke: :) Sure you have seen it in action and can draw some parallels :)

No, I've done some fairly stupid things, Phil, but not that one :D

I've seen a number of 4x4 guys try it, including myself, and it's no good at all.

Honestly dont see it creating much more porposing or front to back bouncing in a 2wd. What would cause that? Not arguing just want to know how or why as I find this stuff interesting :)

I Don't know what it is. Strange, But I feel dumber after reading this thread.







Exuse me.
More dumb.

Well, I'm not ever sure what either of these guys means by their posts...
But, if you try to limit the uptravel of the nose of the truck, by hard-limiting the travel of upper or lower a-arms, that's bad. There's a couple ways to do it with jack bolts and arm straps and whatnot. All bad, as far as I have seen and experienced.
limiting the front wheel travel to about 1-2" is good on a 2WD turck for a 4X4 truck see you next post;) i have 3900lb between the ground and the tires. est 3600lb is sprung weight the other 300lb is just long for the ride limiting the travel will alow me to get almost if not all of the 3900 lbs dam near off the ground and x fered to the rear
I've seen a number of 4x4 guys try it, including myself, and it's no good at all.
your are right when talking about a 4x4 truck the front starts shake the truck and then the back starts to hop
I Don't know what it is. Strange, But I feel dumber after reading this thread.
Exuse me.
More dumb.
2wd is a different breed than a 4x4;)

I Don't know what it is. Strange, But I feel dumber after reading this thread.







Exuse me.
More dumb.

Maybe because it's like reading a transcript of Bob Dylan talking to himself...:rolleyes:

Poseting in dif fred iv lyk banging yore ehad aginst a wol. 2 nukelhedas wiv kno ixperyance tellign us how 2 du it. U got er all figgerd out hav e nice dey an make shur u 2 git viddyo.

Poseting in dif fred iv lyk banging yore ehad aginst a wol. 2 nukelhedas wiv kno ixperyance tellign us how 2 du it. U got er all figgerd out hav e nice dey an make shur u 2 git viddyo.
):h :funnypost that is funny and i can read it which is sad ):h

yeah dmaxin14 is well............ IMO and brought not tech info to the table still......

i have never claim to have hooked to a sled....nore reved my stock engine past 4500 to make a 13.xx pass


and rumor has it youare the go too guy in how to keep weight on the front of a 4x4 truck or all tires planted with little to no wheel hop. but are useles in giving advice about getting weight transferd effectively to the rear axle on a 2wd vehicle....

go take you truck through 1200-1500lb in the bed on or behind the rear axle..... floor it and tell me how easy it is to do a relative sharp turn (IE 45*-90*) in 2wd..... i promise you your truck will run straight a few feet before it dicides to turn on dirt or payment

Cumon guys, lets keep it on topic and not thrash the guy from florida too bad. If you dont like the info dont listen or call him on it. Just please dont call people names. Thanks:)

Cumon guys, lets keep it on topic and not thrash the guy from florida too bad. If you dont like the info dont listen or call him on it. Just please dont call people names. Thanks:)
that acceptable phill:)

Yo, Yo, Yo Bu! Dis be da werd up fa shiznizzle fo all 2 Wheel pullahs! Setup yo junk liek dis!

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/2WheelPeel2.jpg

I'm in ur threadz, stealin ur pullin tyres! :D

Can't...Stop...Reading...Must...Ride..Shortbus....

Yo, Yo, Yo Bu! Dis be da werd up fa shiznizzle fo all 2 Wheel pullahs! Setup yo junk liek dis!



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I'm in ur threadz, stealin ur pullin tyres! :D
:lol: brandon that is funny at leas tyou but the tires on the right way:p:

Yeah I noticed that too. It should hook pretty good though :)

Hloy carp tihs si teh bset rdaenig eevr!!!!

I have been reading this whole thread as it unfolds....

I feel like a moth to a flame......:eek:

malibu - do it and get video.....I have got to see this one to the end....:lol:

I have been reading this whole thread as it unfolds....

I feel like a moth to a flame......:eek:

malibu - do it and get video.....I have got to see this one to the end....:lol:
1200# between the tail gate and rear axle
30" htich height if the let me
limit the front suspension
airbags to raise the rear to meat hit ch limit
and soem agressice rear meats
:evillol:

Just a reminder that the "Place" has spell check

Just a reminder that the "Place" has spell check
maybe I should put "dumb smart guy" in my sig:rolleyes:

maybe I should but dumb smart guy

please don't "but" the dumb smart guy! :eek: :muahaha:

please don't "but" the dumb smart guy! :eek: :muahaha:
fixed it for you ;)
i do have this in my sig
as of 6/23/07..please excuse the person.. he will be PWI for a few weeks with a combo of percoset or ES vicodin mixed with some type of liquid that is currently handy:D

as of 6/23/07..please excuse the person.. he will be PWI for a few weeks with a combo of percoset or ES vicodin mixed with some type of liquid that is currently handy:D


Does this explain the whole 2wd sled pulling thing?

Does this explain the whole 2wd sled pulling thing?
nope been think about it for about two months now

1200# between the tail gate and rear axle
30" htich height if the let me
limit the front suspension
airbags to raise the rear to meat hit ch limit
and soem agressice rear meats
:evillol:


Does this make sense to anyone not on drugs? Because what you're describing would only look good to someone on an acid trip.

1200# BEHIND the rear axle? Please essplain de fizziks involved widdit.

and rumor has it youare the go too guy in how to keep weight on the front of a 4x4 truck or all tires planted with little to no wheel hop. but are useles in giving advice about getting weight transferd effectively to the rear axle on a 2wd vehicle....

go take you truck through 1200-1500lb in the bed on or behind the rear axle..... floor it and tell me how easy it is to do a relative sharp turn (IE 45*-90*) in 2wd..... i promise you your truck will run straight a few feet before it dicides to turn on dirt or payment


I have no idea what you're talking about.

Sledpulling and drag racing are two separate things that you're trying somehow to equate. They can't be. The reason is, one has a sled!

Weight transfer? You gotta be kidding! LMAO! What do you think THE SLED does?

Does this make sense to anyone not on drugs? Because what you're describing would only look good to someone on an acid trip.

1200# BEHIND the rear axle? Please essplain de fizziks involved widdit.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Sledpulling and drag racing are two separate things that you're trying somehow to equate. They can't be. The reason is, one has a sled!

Weight transfer? You gotta be kidding! LMAO! What do you think THE SLED does?
THING 2WD NOT 4WD there is not weight xfer the first 75-100 feet havent you watch the vidoes

I'm all for trying stupid things once. Don't spend any money on it, though.



That has to be quotable on marriage!

I'm all for trying stupid things once. Don't spend any money on it, though.

That has to be quotable on marriage!
good thing i am still single:D

So what exactly was the purpose of this thread? Were you looking for advice or just letting everyone know what you're doing? The reason I ask is because you have pretty much **** on everyone that has offered advice and acted like you know everything about 2wd sled pulling. Even the guy that has pulled with a 2wd duramax.

So what exactly was the purpose of this thread? Were you looking for advice or just letting everyone know what you're doing? The reason I ask is because you have pretty much **** on everyone that has offered advice and acted like you know everything about 2wd sled pulling. Even the guy that has pulled with a 2wd duramax.

Exactly. It's one of those threads that just won't die because the post originator has gifts and talents that are unrelated to the subject of the thread :D

Malibu, unlike you, I have pulled a time or two. Trust me, there's weight transferred to the rear of the truck when you come off the line. Why else would the truck squat like it does? The sled, empty, weighs at least 10,000 lbs, so it's far from dragging a coaster wagon. Even some basic trig would tell you that.

So what exactly was the purpose of this thread? Were you looking for advice or just letting everyone know what you're doing? The reason I ask is because you have pretty much **** on everyone that has offered advice and acted like you know everything about 2wd sled pulling. Even the guy that has pulled with a 2wd duramax.
the purpose of the thread was so see if a 2wd setup as a 2wd could actually pull a sled a respectable amount of feet.
nwpadmax tho very knowledgable about a 4X4 setup hasnt offered any info on how set up a truck in a 2WD setup. he says throw weight as far forward as possible..... common example 8' snow plow on the front of a 2wd with no balast in the back.....i dont care who you are the truck is not moving very far very fast.....
-traction bars if a 80" bar 1 7/8 .120 carbon DOES NOT bend HTF is 2 5/8 .316 wall bar 20" longer going too!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its 300% thicker
and take legit advice ftom this guy???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164746
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162336
sorry i havent found anything creidible............ on another site he was asking questions like FNG would.....

MAT - the main thing here is how to make up for the loose of traction from not have the front drive tires.......
gifts and talents mat..... weight xfer is weight xfer weather you are trying to keep it on the front of the truck(4x4) or on the back tires(2wd) the principle is the same but in opposite directions

Malibu i cant help my tranny can handle more power then what yours would

Mat, Since we know Malibu is hell bent on pulling in 2wd and no amount of razzing will change his mind, we could go back to the basics and help him to do the best he can do. I like a good debate, but if we keep this up nobody will benefit.:)

I was thinking, instead of lowing the torsion bars, would you raise them as high as possible to increase weight transfer? What about tire pressures, we typically run them as high as possible in the rear and fairly low in the front; wouldn't he want to run them high in the front as well, just to keep rolling resistance to a minimum and overall height as high as possible? I think you'd want your balist weight as far to the back of the truck as possible. Would a set of limiting blocks in the rear be beneficial for maintained hitch height or harmful because of impeaded weight transfer? We typically run our hitches as close to the rear axle as possible, but in this case wouldn't you want it as far aft of the rear axle as possible?

Just a couple thoughts, I've never pulled in 2wd, so I'm probably just adding to the confusion.:o:

Well, here's the thing. You have never pulled, correct? There are people trying to give you advice who have and you continually tell them they're wrong. Why ask for advice if you know the answers already? I think your attitude may be limiting the constructive input you are supposedly looking for.

I know nwpadmax does not have a 2wd truck that he pulls with, but don't you think he's been around enough pulling that he's seen one or two go down the track before? It wouldn't even be a stretch that he's talked to them in the pits before or after a pull. Maybe they've talked about truck setup. You never really know.

As far as duramaxin14 goes, I agree, some of the stuff he says is a little out there, and he doesn't know everything. I've got a news flash for you though, despite what you think, you don't either. He gave you advice on pulling with a 2wd duramax. He has admittedly tried it more than once with different methods and had different results. I think he was trying to help you out so why do you have to bust his balls about it? Pretty immature if you ask me.

I hope you go out and pull and are successful, but you should really consider at least listening to advice given by people who have actually hooked to a sled before, even if you don't follow it.

Mat, Since we know Malibu is hell bent on pulling in 2wd and no amount of razzing will change his mind, we could go back to the basics and help him to do the best he can do. I like a good debate, but if we keep this up nobody will benefit.:)

i am more than willing to get a technical debate about it and effectively do it.

I was thinking, instead of lowing the torsion bars, would you raise them as high as possible to increase weight transfer?
from watching the 2wd mod class i would unhooked want a rake 6" or more and carry the front almost level down the truck withthe front tires off the ground

What about tire pressures, we typically run them as high as possible in the rear and fairly low in the front; wouldn't he want to run them high in the front as well, just to keep rolling resistance to a minimum and overall height as high as possible?
i agree run the front at max psi i dont need any more resistant alread have enough with the sled... rear tire if i got this right high pressure for tight tracks and low for loose tracks.... correct?

I think you'd want your balist weight as far to the back of the truck as possible.
my current setup with my aux tank empty is 3900 front and 2900 rear grant tottal of 6800. putitng 1200 direcetly over the rear axle would make 3900/4200 if loaded perfectly (in a perfect world). loading it aft of the center line and it effectively pulls weight of the front.... how much to load aft of center line..... TNT would determin that.... honestly a 40/60 - 45/55 split might be a ball park figure to shoot for... too much weight xfer could be bad...... big wheelie on stock suspsension equal bent chassis

Would a set of limiting blocks in the rear be beneficial for maintained hitch height or harmful because of impeaded weight transfer?
honestly i was lookng at air bags not the traditon load leveling bags either (see attachment) it would allow me to raise the rear with in reason and still allow compression of the rear and lift on the front.

We typically run our hitches as close to the rear axle as possible, but in this case wouldn't you want it as far aft of the rear axle as possible?
iirc the bumper to axle center line is 54" minus the hitch. add another 6-8" depending on the hitch

Just a couple thoughts, I've never pulled in 2wd, so I'm probably just adding to the confusion.:o:.

made sense to me blitz...hope want i typed make sense and is easier to follow than what i normally spit out

Well, here's the thing. You have never pulled, correct? There are people trying to give you advice who have and you continually tell them they're wrong. Why ask for advice if you know the answers already? I think your attitude may be limiting the constructive input you are supposedly looking for.

I know nwpadmax does not have a 2wd truck that he pulls with, but don't you think he's been around enough pulling that he's seen one or two go down the track before? It wouldn't even be a stretch that he's talked to them in the pits before or after a pull. Maybe they've talked about truck setup. You never really know.

As far as duramaxin14 goes, I agree, some of the stuff he says is a little out there, and he doesn't know everything. I've got a news flash for you though, despite what you think, you don't either. He gave you advice on pulling with a 2wd duramax. He has admittedly tried it more than once with different methods and had different results. I think he was trying to help you out so why do you have to bust his balls about it? Pretty immature if you ask me.

I hope you go out and pull and are successful, but you should really consider at least listening to advice given by people who have actually hooked to a sled before, even if you don't follow it.


x2 I understand malibu some of my stuff maybe off the wall i am not trying to argue with yall and tell yall everyones truck should do like mine like the 525 for example on stock tranny i aint lieing there if i was going to lie i can think of better things to lie about. The tranny is really starting to act up alot more now then before. But beilve me i can think of better things to lie about like saying i have 550 or 600 which i dont. my tranny has done well with the amount of time i have had all the power to it. Im also running 13.7 in the quarter mile u are only running 14.9 with 2 wheel drive and built tranny. Not trying to rag on u but if u take some advice i can probley help u with that to. But why help somebody thats just going to say your wrong. Well maybe im wrong but atleast im pulling 13's

Well, here's the thing. You have never pulled, correct? correct i have never pulled, hence the thread. There are people trying to give you advice who have and you continually tell them they're wrong. outside of blitz last thread all i have basicly gotten is razzed about the idea of useing a 2wd to pull. Why ask for advice if you know the answers already? i put it out there toget advice from people in how to effectively set the truck up and rulle and regulations.I think your attitude may be limiting the constructive input you are supposedly looking for. if stubborn is an attitude so be it. i know enough that if i set up my truck like mat set his truck up i wont got 20 feet...... not matter what tires i put on the back

I know nwpadmax does not have a 2wd truck that he pulls with, but don't you think he's been around enough pulling that he's seen one or two go down the track before? yes i am sure he has a several ill fated and badly prepped atemps of 2wd truck trying to compete with a 4x4. i know to get a 4x2 to compete with a 4x4 at the track i need slicks.... i feel i will have to do the same with sled pulling.It wouldn't even be a stretch that he's talked to them in the pits before or after a pull. Maybe they've talked about truck setup. You never really know. if mat has talk to a guy that effectively set up a 2wd truck he has not spoken about yet in this thread.

As far as duramaxin14 goes, I agree, some of the stuff he says is a little out there, and he doesn't know everything. I've got a news flash for you though, despite what you think, you don't either. He gave you advice on pulling with a 2wd duramax. He has admittedly tried it more than once with different methods and had different results. I think he was trying to help you out so why do you have to bust his balls about it? Pretty immature if you ask me.this maybe true but he still thinks his stock tranny holds more power than my built tranny...........................he also told me to run third gear 50mph+ wheel speed with ground speed round 10-15............ i will be looking for a trailer the second those tire bite and hold that is his advice............ i would be lucky to get out of 1st and be able to hold second.....
FWIW the ONLY OFF ROAD event that want exsessive wheel is mud drags....... anything else and you are breaking parts or not goin any were....... agree?

I hope you go out and pull and are successful, but you should really consider at least listening to advice given by people who have actually hooked to a sled before, even if you don't follow it.
thank you

Im also running 13.7 in the quarter mile u are only running 14.9 with 2 wheel drive and built tranny. Not trying to rag on u but if u take some advice i can probley help u with that to. But why help somebody thats just going to say your wrong. Well maybe im wrong but atleast im pulling 13's
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1806433&postcount=24
from june 1-2nd
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160154&page=3
if you like i can post pic of both time slips;)

ok well the last i heard u where running 14.9's but nice numbers

ok well the last i heard u where running 14.9's but nice numbers
BTW that was runng less fuel than i am now;)

I have a question that may spur some interesting and positive discussion.

Just in terms of traction for the tires that are doing the work in a 2wd.....You want as much weight on the rear tires right? Any weight that the front tires are supporting is wasted weight correct? So optimaly you would like to hang both tires in a 2wd?

BTW that was runng less fuel than i am now;)

Dosnt matter what you say you have, all that matter is the proof. Fact of the matter is that you have 13.8x time slips and he has 13.7x slips :rotflmao: Youve been owned by duramaxin14 ):h

I can sense this thread getting split off ):h

IIRC we pulled someplace last year that had a 2wd class. They would allow 4x4s to pull as long as the front wheels were not spinning. The sled was set light so they got a decent distance down the track. Gas or diesel. Not too exciting, but maybe someone that starts there will get the "fever", and come back in a couple years with a 4x4 and whip all our butts. :eek:
It might have been Greenwich, Ohio.

I have a question that may spur some interesting and positive discussion.

Just in terms of traction for the tires that are doing the work in a 2wd.....You want as much weight on the rear tires right? Any weight that the front tires are supporting is wasted weight correct? So optimaly you would like to hang both tires in a 2wd?
yes that is how i understand it




:offtopic: againDosnt matter what you say you have, all that matter is the proof. Fact of the matter is that you have 13.8x time slips and he has 13.7x slips :rotflmao: Youve been owned by duramaxin14 ):h

I can sense this thread getting split off ):h
that is fine ill take my 13.8X slip and race another day over his 13.7 and limped tranny any day and twice on sunday ):h hmm i have access to slicks ):h

in a WS class i know most places allow for 1 handicap the hitch height the i would ask for 2 the above and the second would be unrestriced uncut DOT tire

here is something to think about
a 4x4 has roughly 80-100 square inches of contat to put power down with and most run street tires to mild AT/MT tires. a 2wd with a 14" wide tire i can get about 80 and run an agressive MT/bogger tire and be effective......

we know the my truck if it were a 4x4 would be competative in a WS class.......... the main thing is traction and correct weight transfer

I love this thread, it makes me laugh until my sides hurt ):h

The quotes of the day:

"we know the my truck if it were a 4x4 would be competative in a WS class"

I have $100 that says Pops would lay waste to you like nobody's business in WS. For someone to say they can be competitive without ever having pulled before, is the height of either arrogance or ignorance, or both.

"most places allow for 1 handicap" OMG, LMAO!!! You're killing me! Where?

I'm just wondering if all this funny stuff will end when the Percoset prescription runs out.

i highly dought 2 wheel drive will ever be able to compete with 4 wheel drive i wouldnt even want to put my 2 wheel drive in with the 4 wheel drives mine does very well in the 2wd class but wouldnt want to embarrase myself and put in with the 4x4 trucks

I love this thread, it makes me laugh until my sides hurt ):h

The quotes of the day:

"we know the my truck if it were a 4x4 would be competative in a WS class"

I have $100 that says Pops would lay waste to you like nobody's business in WS. For someone to say they can be competitive without ever having pulled before, is the height of either arrogance or ignorance, or both.

"most places allow for 1 handicap" OMG, LMAO!!! You're killing me! Where?

I'm just wondering if all this funny stuff will end when the Percoset prescription runs out.

you forget what competative means???? mat????
last time a check a 450-500hp 4x4 truck was competative in the WS or did i miss something????????:eek:

i gues it is obvious that mat or his wife can not and any thing constructive in makin a 2wd truck effective in pulling for what i an see is one of two reason
1. a punk bully who is scared of outside the box thinking and thus resorts to razzing indiviuals that do think outside the box

or

2. doesnt know how to effectively setup a 2wd truck for pulling

so mat if you got some thing constructive please feel free and add it

if not stfu and stop posting in this thread.....but dont laugh to hard peeing yourself would be embarising:p:

The biggest reason I can't add anything, is that a 2WD truck will NEVER EVER be effective in pulling, unless they create a class especially for you.

Good luck with your jousting at windmills. I'll stop razzing you.

Hmmm. Yea, big back tires and hanging the front wheels.....

Like this:
http://www.mfstpa.com/videos/videos06/ghost.WMV

Hmmm. Yea, big back tires and hanging the front wheels.....

THAT was AWESOME!!! Gimme mo' o' dat!!! ):h

They got that in Ohio? I'm comin' to see ya, Mini!!!

I think he realizes that he wont be competitive or effective but would like to try for fun. So either stop being a prick and give him give him some constructive advice or go lick your eyebrows and sign some autographs in another thread there rock star :D

Rat, most people "doing it for fun" throw a hitch on it and call it good. Not this.

But be that as it may, I'm gonna go lick my autograph and sign some brows. :D

I love this thread, it makes me laugh until my sides hurt ):h

T

I have $100 that says Pops would lay waste to you like nobody's business in WS.




Thanks, Mat. You know, they probably argued with Einstein too.:D

That's my problem, nobody argues with me except my wife.:(

THAT was AWESOME!!! Gimme mo' o' dat!!! ):h

They got that in Ohio? I'm comin' to see ya, Mini!!!
I'll agree with ya again on that Matt. Hope I don't catch that much slack this time;) .

give him some constructive advice or go lick your eyebrows



1 Vote for Matt to go lick his eyebrows.


:D

Bu, here is my 2 cents on the subject of trying to hook to the sled with your truck. I am certainly no expert on this as I don't own a 4WD and I don't pull. That being said, I have been to quite a few of them and I can tell you anything that pulls with 2 wheels and is really, really good at it is purpose built.

Just like in drag racing, for a 2WD truck to compare with a 4WD you have to do a ton of work. It took me years to get a 2WD truck to hook at the track and still be an HD. Compared to guys who execute the "4WD Drag Recipe" and can run 1.7x's on street tires and do it relatively quickly it gets pretty frustrating. If you don't cut up the truck and 4-link it and then spend a ton of time dialing it in you won't beat a 4WD with comparable power.

Same in the dirt. Unless you are gonna mod the truck for a set of bigfoot tires AND make about twice the power of a 4WD truck to spin those huge meats into a dirt chewing frenzy you ain't gonna do squat. I am pretty damn sure you'd pretzel the driveshaft, blow the trans or the motor before you lift the front end off the ground (if you actually hooked the truck) due to the length of the truck and engine weight working against you.

Now I am a huge fan of making 2WD trucks do things they should not. I'd love to see you do it myself. Just knowing that it takes more time and horsepower for me me to compete effectively at the drag strip I'd hate to see this uphill battle. I have hooked my truck to some pretty heavy stuff, stuck tractors, sod machines, stuck trucks, etc. and I was able to pull them out but you hit those limitations very, very fast off the pavement. Anyway, like your nemesis said, try it once but don't spend alot of money on it. ;)

Good luck sir! When you get it out of your system get it back to the strip. :)

Bu, here is my 2 cents on the subject of trying to hook to the sled with your truck. I am certainly no expert on this as I don't own a 4WD and I don't pull. That being said, I have been to quite a few of them and I can tell you anything that pulls with 2 wheels and is really, really good at it is purpose built.

Just like in drag racing, for a 2WD truck to compare with a 4WD you have to do a ton of work. It took me years to get a 2WD truck to hook at the track and still be an HD. Compared to guys who execute the "4WD Drag Recipe" and can run 1.7x's on street tires and do it relatively quickly it gets pretty frustrating. If you don't cut up the truck and 4-link it and then spend a ton of time dialing it in you won't beat a 4WD with comparable power.

Same in the dirt. Unless you are gonna mod the truck for a set of bigfoot tires AND make about twice the power of a 4WD truck to spin those huge meats into a dirt chewing frenzy you ain't gonna do squat. I am pretty damn sure you'd pretzel the driveshaft, blow the trans or the motor before you lift the front end off the ground (if you actually hooked the truck) due to the length of the truck and engine weight working against you.

Now I am a huge fan of making 2WD trucks do things they should not. I'd love to see you do it myself. Just knowing that it takes more time and horsepower for me me to compete effectively at the drag strip I'd hate to see this uphill battle. I have hooked my truck to some pretty heavy stuff, stuck tractors, sod machines, stuck trucks, etc. and I was able to pull them out but you hit those limitations very, very fast off the pavement. Anyway, like your nemesis said, try it once but don't spend alot of money on it. ;)

Good luck sir! When you get it out of your system get it back to the strip. :)


He will argue this and tell u he dont want to spin i tryed to give him advice on how to pull it because me myself i have a 2 wheel drive and i pull the sled i told him once he gets it going hammer it because u want to built your speed at the beggin so u can somewhat matian it threw the end but he argued that

I didn't think anyone under the age of 73 was even allowed to own a 2 wheel drive truck...:confuzeld

I for one think duramaxin14 has better grammar than Malibu. He does not run away with it, Malibu is a very close second. Very close.
Duramaxin14 has no punctuation, and frequently misspells words. Malibu the same. But the "Ratio of correctness", as I like to call it, Leans more towards duramaxin14. If I am wrong, please someone say. I find it sad that I am analyzing this thread this way. I said before I was feeling dumb, maybe I'm just rationalizing. Hmmmm.
Continue gentlemen.

I didn't think anyone under the age of 73 was even allowed to own a 2 wheel drive truck...:confuzeld

It's a test marketing program run by Folgers. GM has secretly replaced their 4WD trucks with 2WD trucks. Let's see if anyone notices....

Amazingly, my sack has not shriveled due to lack of 4WD, the choad-screwin' billy bobs down at the Sonic don't scratch their head in amazement when a 2WD truck goes cruising by, and I did not get an urge to vote commie democrat or nuthin cause I drive one. I did have to get special dispensation from the AARP to buy them though, I think everyone under 73 has to do so.

I don't know why GM even sells 2WD trucks anymore. Let's ban them! :p:

I don't know why GM even sells 2WD trucks anymore. Let's ban them! :p:


It's so our resident Gene Simmons Wannabe can beeyotch about something between his personal hygiene techniques with his tongue and eyebrows.

Either that or his sheep are getting lonely.

If we listen, maybe we can hear them


Maaaaaaaattttt
Maaaaaaaattttt

Daaaaaaaaady!!:p:

:D

...So I just reached out and kicked old BMDMAX right in the knee.

He let out a yell that'd curl your hair
But before he could move, I grabbed me a chair
And said; "Watch him folks, 'cause he's a thoroughly dangerous man."
"Well, you may not know it, but this man's a spy
He's an undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan."

He was still bent over, holdin' on to his knee
But everyone else was lookin' and listenin' to me
And I layed it on thicker and heavier as I went
I said, "Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearin' Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars
And he voted for George McGovern for president."

"He's a friend of them long-haired, hippie type, pinko ****
I betcha he's even got a Commie flag
Tacked up on the wall, inside of his garage
He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya, guys
He may look dumb, but that's just a disguise
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage."

The only sheep I got is sittin' out in the driveway. And it's a very Republican four-wheel-drive sheepy.

This is all very amusing, but can we at least ATTEMPT to keep it on topic.;)

I'll agree with ya again on that Matt. Hope I don't catch that much slack this time;) .

Oh don't follow me, it's a dark and dangerous road :rolleyes:

Lawnboy, how would you set up a 2WD Dmax for pulling?

:)

Step one - Hand beer to co-pilot
Step two - Hook to sled
Step three - Ignite JATO booster
Step four - Confirm the Darwin theory....

Well, that's how I'd do it. LOL

step five- hit the afterburner on that jet engine straped in the box. :D

Yeah and suck the rear glass through the jet. :)

Shred the competition

Y'all forgot the step where you hit the Nytriss.

I no i have bad grammer its the school i graduated from sorry.

I no i have bad grammer its the school i graduated from sorry.
or didnt...................... ):h

Ya i graduated aint no low life with a ged

Having equal contact patch and putting power to the ground appropriately are two different things. I come from a club that does not allow hanging weight in "street legal" class and let me tell you that pulling in 2wd is like pissing in the wind with our sled.

I haven't read the entire thread but I know there are some places that run a 2WD class which is cool to allow other guys/girls a chance to pull, but they are usually special sleds or at least sleds that won't start transferring weight until the 100+ foot mark to allow the trucks to gather momentum. If you are running in a class that is designed for 2WD then you might be alright, but if you are going to try to run a 2WD in a 4WD then you will most likely not do well at all.

I saw a guy full pull on a track once and came back for the pull-off (same sled setting just floating finish as it was only two trucks and they stopped just after 305'), during the pull-off he lunched the front driveshaft (Ford, at the t-case) at about 150' and stayed in the throttle but was stopped around 167'. He was probably 150 feet short of his first pull (same conditions). I know what a difference having the front locker engaged will make on a 4wd and that is much less of a handi-cap than not having any front wheel drive, I can only imagine it would be magnified 100 fold. On some wet/slippery (after a rain but they don't want to cancel the pull) tracks I have had trouble even moving in 4WD, in 2WD all I would probably do is dig two holes.

It's your truck and your perogative so do as you wish. If I were to try and attempt it in a 4WD class, I would let a FEW PSI out of the rears and run the fronts at max PSI. Put most of my ballast JUST in front of the rear axle, install blocks and traction bars if they are allowed, and most importantly wear a full faced helmet

If you try it, Good Luck and let us know how it went.


in a WS class i know most places allow for 1 handicap the hitch height the i would ask for 2 the above and the second would be unrestriced uncut DOT tire

here is something to think about
a 4x4 has roughly 80-100 square inches of contat to put power down with and most run street tires to mild AT/MT tires. a 2wd with a 14" wide tire i can get about 80 and run an agressive MT/bogger tire and be effective......

we know the my truck if it were a 4x4 would be competative in a WS class.......... the main thing is traction and correct weight transfer

There is nothing "magic" about 4WD.

The fastest everything are RWD, not AWD or 4WD.

To make a 2WD competitive you must match traction. Twice the contact patch, and all the weight on the rears.

I would use dually rims, 4 aggressive tires, <20PSI with beadlocks, gut all the weight out of the cab and front end (use skinnies on fronts) and load all the weight directly on the rear axle. Limit rear travel to 2" or minimum allowed, put hitch as close as is legal to axle.

But you will have to lie about your truck. Many organizations refuse to let 2WD'd compete, so put on some $4 "4X4" stickers and a bunch of chrome. If there is any dirt on your truck, remove it. Nobody will believe it's a 4x4 if it's actually been off-road. ;)

There is nothing "magic" about 4WD.

The fastest everything are RWD, not AWD or 4WD.

To make a 2WD competitive you must match traction. Twice the contact patch, and all the weight on the rears.

Agreed, on pavement.

On dirt, the unevenness of the track and variation in the dirt surface, make 4WD much more capable of getting grip. Like the old Subie commercial "from the wheels that slip, to the wheels that grip."

Even having the front locked up makes a significant difference, so having 4 wheels all churning together is essential to compete in a 4-paw class.

I do agree with you, Pat, if I had to run 2WD, a dually setup would probably be more likely to be accepted than if he showed up with 40" cut Cepeks. Some clubs here have "wheels must be inside fenderwells" rules for duallies, so you can't go crazy wide. Maybe other places wouldn't care.

I also agree on having the weight right on the rear axle. Anything aft of that would likely be bad for balance and hop issues.

There is nothing "magic" about 4WD.

The fastest everything are RWD, not AWD or 4WD.

To make a 2WD competitive you must match traction. Twice the contact patch, and all the weight on the rears.

I would use dually rims, 4 aggressive tires, <20PSI with beadlocks, gut all the weight out of the cab and front end (use skinnies on fronts) and load all the weight directly on the rear axle. Limit rear travel to 2" or minimum allowed, put hitch as close as is legal to axle.

But you will have to lie about your truck. Many organizations refuse to let 2WD'd compete, so put on some $4 "4X4" stickers and a bunch of chrome. If there is any dirt on your truck, remove it. Nobody will believe it's a 4x4 if it's actually been off-road. ;)

There may be nothing magical about 4WD but you sure unloaded the 2WD Casper quicker than a Taco Bell burrito! ;)

There may be nothing magical about 4WD but you sure unloaded the 2WD Casper quicker than a Taco Bell burrito! ;)


:funnypost

I hope that your not paying someone to type all of this for you. By all the B.S ing thats being said I couldve paid for a new truck thats 4wd if I had to pay my secretary to type all this crap. Ive pulled my 04 2wd dually. It doesnt pull worth a damn. It was just for fun. None of all this hitch height this and weight transfer that. If your that into it buy a Da#$ 4wd truck. Wait till you shatter the u joints in the driveshaft like I did. Thats enough to take the fire out of you butt. I dont know if anyone else has tried this with a 2wd,I did it just for giggles,Point being IVE DONE IT, so if you havent all your doing is puffing your chest out and beating it with a dead horse. Go out and try it then youll finally realize what Matt and all of the other guys are talking about,2wd trucks dont belong in front of a pulling sled. Get a damn 4wd if you must pull a sled.

I hope that your not paying someone to type all of this for you. By all the B.S ing thats being said I couldve paid for a new truck thats 4wd if I had to pay my secretary to type all this crap. Ive pulled my 04 2wd dually. It doesnt pull worth a damn. It was just for fun. None of all this hitch height this and weight transfer that. If your that into it buy a Da#$ 4wd truck. Wait till you shatter the u joints in the driveshaft like I did. Thats enough to take the fire out of you butt. I dont know if anyone else has tried this with a 2wd,I did it just for giggles,Point being IVE DONE IT, so if you havent all your doing is puffing your chest out and beating it with a dead horse. Go out and try it then youll finally realize what Matt and all of the other guys are talking about,2wd trucks dont belong in front of a pulling sled. Get a damn 4wd if you must pull a sled.

Don't you dare hold anything back. Tell us how you REALLY feel about it. :D

LMAO

Sorry smoke show I calls em likes I sees em. This thread is starting to kill my last couple of brain cells. Either the guy puts up or shuts up end of discussion. Ive done it and he hasnt. If you havent tried something your talking out your ass till you do. Its like whether or not you like vanilla ice cream,you can stand and analyze it all damn day but how do you know if you like it unless you try it. Same case here he hasnt tried it so how does he know enough to give an educated decision of the outcome. If your scared pony up and get a 4wd,thats what they pull out here,no 2wd trucks ever hook to any sleds around here. I have one and tried it,it didnt work plain and simple. My respect to the guys here for all their info,they know a lot more than me about pulling,and have obviously had more experience me. So hats off to the guys still listening to the ramblings on this thread.

Is this thread still open?

Sorry smoke show I calls em likes I sees em. This thread is starting to kill my last couple of brain cells. Either the guy puts up or shuts up end of discussion. Ive done it and he hasnt. If you havent tried something your talking out your ass till you do. Its like whether or not you like vanilla ice cream,you can stand and analyze it all damn day but how do you know if you like it unless you try it. Same case here he hasnt tried it so how does he know enough to give an educated decision of the outcome. If your scared pony up and get a 4wd,thats what they pull out here,no 2wd trucks ever hook to any sleds around here. I have one and tried it,it didnt work plain and simple. My respect to the guys here for all their info,they know a lot more than me about pulling,and have obviously had more experience me. So hats off to the guys still listening to the ramblings on this thread.


Nathen not to get u all mad or anything but did u block your rear end and put some beffy tires on it. When pulling with a 2wd u want to block your rear soild that away u can kinda pull the sled up unstead of draggin. U also want the most beffy tires u can get for it because u have to dig to find traction i pull my 2wd drive and it does pretty well for what it is

Yea but at least you can listen to reason. I did ok too. The first time. But this other dude just wants to argue with everybody when he hasnt tried it yet. At least you did. You can speak from experience. This other dude cant. He just wants to argue with everybody. These other guys on here know what they are talking about when it comes to truck pulling.The least he could do is give them some respect.

I no what u mean i tryed helping him out and he just argues so i figure the heck with it. Let him do what he wants to do and in a couple years when he sees me pull he will ask what i have done and i will tell him nothing because all he will do is argue

I think that's why I started giving Bu a hard time; there is no class for 2WD street trucks. It doesn't exist. If there were some kind of national 2WD Jamboree and they lined up something specifically for those guys, then it would all make sense. But what we're talking about is pure fantasy. No fans, no purse, no nothing.

So show me a class with real rules and a real organization, and no matter how wierd or obscure it may be, I think a lot of people would toss in ideas and try to make a competitive entry.

But "building" a 2WD truck to run against 4WD trucks is just a mental foray into the absurd.

Any updates Malibu? Still working on 2wd pulling mods?

Matt,

I have to agree that putting a 2wd in a class setup for 4wds is pointless (which I believe the original poster wanted to do.....but it's his truck and his perogative).

As far as there being no 2wd classes, I hate to say it but there are 2wd street truck pulls held all across the land at brush pulls (no sanctioning bodies that I know of). They aren't nearly as frequent or as prevailant as 4wd. I've seen them done on both a transfer sled and a stone boat. It's a completely different game and even though I think it's a little weird, lots of folks have 2wds and enjoy it. And yes there are usually fans, purses, and trophies.

http://www.yourrichlandcountyfair.com/OpenFarmTruckPull.pdf

I think that's why I started giving Bu a hard time; there is no class for 2WD street trucks. It doesn't exist. If there were some kind of national 2WD Jamboree and they lined up something specifically for those guys, then it would all make sense. But what we're talking about is pure fantasy. No fans, no purse, no nothing.

So show me a class with real rules and a real organization, and no matter how wierd or obscure it may be, I think a lot of people would toss in ideas and try to make a competitive entry.

But "building" a 2WD truck to run against 4WD trucks is just a mental foray into the absurd.

Any updates Malibu? Still working on 2wd pulling mods?
just got back to work monday form convelesant leave for my knee surgery.... everything is going SLOW:o:

lead foot- i have seen a couple of those asphault sled pull in videos


the orginal i dea was compet witt the 4wd truck with a 2wd truck for the reason that mat said there are NO 2wd classes.

i would not put any more money into the truck that i would when i drag the truck at the strip.

i aked DHRA about it the 2wd class i had heard rumors about...... basicly they said they have not seen enough intrest to warrant making a class..................... hmmm wonder why:rolleyes:

I was at a pull this last weekend and the track was real good for traction. There was a Chevy gas truck running in the 6200lb class and couldn’t get his 4 wheel drive to work when they hooked him to the sled. He had a healthy motor and allot of weight on the front and his rear was jacked up. The truck was a manual trans and he let it go pretty high but got the sled moving in 2wd and made it 175ft I’m guessing. I don’t recall the actually feet. When he came to a stop only one rear wheel was spinning! IF that guy would have had all the weight in the back and not hanging on the front + had the suspension set up for weight transfer, he would have made a worthy pull for sure. BTW there was a 4wd reg cab Duramax in a lesser 6200lb stock class that didn’t pull much further then that 2wd gasser.

That's wierd, I've never seen a 2WD pull advertised, except tractors, of course :D

I guess the OH/PA area is for 4WD snobs only ):h

I guess the OH/PA area is for 4WD snobs only ):h

That's because it snows here, 2wd are for tourists in these parts ):h

Wow! I can't believe I actually read this whole thread. That's a half hour of my life I'll never get back...And I'm not even smarter for it.:D

Here is a 2wd truck class for you guys:

http://www.tomahtractorpull.com/i_pullclasses.htm#TWD

Heh, not exactly street trucks though ;)

Malibu if i where u man i would be asking questions about this stuff sled pulling drag racing and all. Not to be a smart butt but after all i do Own you

[quote=duramaxin14;1888156 Not to be a smart butt but after all i do Own you[/quote]


congrats on the .1X second over mine..............


running a stock tranny in the 13s is like a sucide bomber.........

vrooooommm..........then............pop.........


becha cant do that again with a stock tranny................... dummy:p:

version from walter/jeff dunham

congrats on the .1X second over mine..............


running a stock tranny in the 13s is like a sucide bomber.........

vrooooommm..........then............pop.........


becha cant do that again with a stock tranny................... dummy:p:

version from walter/jeff dunham

I didn't even know a stock trans would last long in the mid to low 14's let alone 13's:eek: , you guys are crazy. I might think a little different about beating on my Ally if I didn't mind thumbing for a ride to work the next day:o:

Malibu That is where u are wrong buddy i have made about 30 to 35 passes on my stock tranny all in the 13's

Im just going to run my truck as it is until my tranny blows when my tranny does blow im going to cut out the driver side floor board and flistion that thing down the track and still whip you

im just going to run my truck as it is until my tranny blows when my tranny does blow im going to cut out the driver side floor board and flistion that thing down the track and still whip you
you mean fred flinstone that thing down the track there buddy. Dont sweat it driver it was good enough for goverment work:d

what ever dude jes go 4 it. U got nothin to loose. It's only a woose truck.

you mean fred flinstone that thing down the track there buddy. Dont sweat it driver it was good enough for goverment work:d

Thats the funniest thing I have heard in a while):h