I have a really bad miss (gas engine terms,http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif like someone is shutting off my ignition for a second and then turning it back on) when my Edge Attitude + Monitor is pluggeed in. Regardless of what setting it is on, 0 (stock) thru 5 (max). When it is unplugged the truck is fine, when the attitude is plugged in this is what it does.

- At idle: It has a miss every 5-15 seconds and the RPM's drop approx. 10-20.

- At light, moderate, or hard acceleration my truck jerks like it has a miss. It also does this on cruise controle. 70% of the time it runs strong. It's wierd to say the least, very unprdictable

Just so we are all on the same page here i thought i'd let you know that i have called Edge and they have sent me a completely new programer and monitor (9-14-2004), I installed it and had the exact same result. I called them again and they said that I need to update my ECM's and get the latest and greatest update (sep 13) and that will take care of the problem. I called edge and told them i had done everything in my power to help remedy the problem including the update with the Tech 2. Edge has been very helpfull in trying to help me but It is obvious that i need a true obie one http://forums.pickuptruck.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif to help me out here. My http://forums.pickuptruck.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif truck is stock except for a 62 gallon supertanks fuel cell, I ordered it in December of 03 and recieved it in Feb. 2004 as of now it has 8500 miles


I took it to the steelership today (Tuesday) to have my buddy (Tranny Joe) have a go at it. We are going to do an injector diagnostic and double check a couple of things. PLease let me know if anyone has any suggestions while it's still at the dealership.


FYI "Tranny Joe" does know diesel's

Thanks,


'


EM

Injector prolbems a possibility?

Boss Man,


That was my initial thought but what kept me from completely leaning that way was how well the truck runs w/out the edge. smooth as butter and the the fact that the truck is brand new.


tonight after hours test driving with the Tech 2 and the edge plugged in we narrowed it down to a bad injector or two. I'll keep everyone posted on what happened after tomorrow. i apprecitae the advise





EM

XR -

My rig has recently developed what sounds like the same problem with
the same symptoms, etc. 15k miles.

I have a Tech II. What showed up in yours that led you to believe that the
problem is injectors?

Thanks.

mine has done something similar 2 times now, it happened at the same
part in the road about 50ft. apart both times.... engine temp 176 juice
lvl3 traveling about 56mph



the truck would act like it was put into neutral then into drive for
1/2 second and would "bump", both times it did it twice then
thats it, rest of the drive is fine



any ideas?

freddyo and 95geo,


The way you described your situations confirms that i am not the only one with this problem. I'm glad in a way that you are experiencing the same problems because that means more of us are looking for the same answer.


Here goes, While driving in level 5 (like a bat outa hell) i was able to make the check engine light come on. ( I was on the freeway and this looky lew was watching a car burn on the other side of the freeway, with his window down. Needless to say he liked smoke so i turned my attitude up to five and filled his car full of smoke so he could take some home with him. Welllllllllllll that action caused my truck to go into default mode and that Geo metro was starting to catch up to me. Needless to say he gave me the one finger salute as he passed, all 3 cyliders ablaze. I had to pull off the freeway and figure out what was wrong with my truck, besides the fact that the idiot light was on my truck felt like it was running on 1/4 power . I turned it off popped the hood unplugged the edge and got back on the freeway, and drove back down to san diego with no problems.)


I took it back to the dealer and they said the code was DTC P1093.


Keep in mind my friend works at the dealership and he knows that the Edge is installed on my truck (BIG SECRET). Since I've sent my Edge back three times and they have sent me three new ones we had reason to believe that it was not the Edge product but my truck that had a problem. SOOOOOOO during a test drive (i was driving) Joe sat in shotgun and played with the tech 2 and yes the edge was plugged in while testing. He noticed that injector #6 was not in sync (for lack of the techinical term) with the rest of the injectors when the "miss" hit. So he ordered a new one and he is installing it right now. I'll let you know on monday how everything pans out because i'm headed to the river for the weekend, leaving to night. I really hope it was an injector.





P.S. I'll let you know what exactly he saw on the T2 that led him to believe it was an injector


Gook luck








EricEdited by: XR-Freak

XR-Freak,


Could you see the injector problem on the TechII without the Edge plugged in? I need to check mine but I can't leave the Edge installed when I visit my dealer. I get the P1093 so often I can't run the Juice at all anymore, even on the lower levels.

Never tried, good question though. IT's wierd how well the truck runs with the juice out vs. in. Don't get me wrong it's fast as hell but it has that damn bump, miss whatever when installed.


AGGGHHHHHH i just found out that he can't finish my truck today so i'm going to go pick it up and take it back next week. I'm leaving for vaca and i'll let you know when i get back





EM

mine has done something similar 2 times now, it happened at the same part in the road about 50ft. apart both times.... engine temp 176 juice lvl3 traveling about 56mph

the truck would act like it was put into neutral then into drive for 1/2 second and would "bump", both times it did it twice then thats it, rest of the drive is fine

any ideas?



My truck will do the exact same thing at any temp between 167 and 178 on the attitude. It will do it in any level other than 0. I have just got in the habbit of turning my attitude to 0 during warm up.


It does not seem to do it without the juice. At least it is not noticable. I had come to the conclusion is was something with the Juice. Now I am thinking it could be that the problem is with the truck and is amplified by the juice. The makes even more sense if it was an injector due to the increase in fuel when on the juice.


As always, the dealer says everything checks out fine. Guess I will take it back in......................

I don't have any of those issues going on (so far).


Truck runs smooth from start..does have every once in a while,from a stop,there is a slightly louder knock when pulling away,but only for about a second or so,but thats all I can think of..I have version 4.73

Every truck I have owned with the juice on it has done the same thing, it almost feels like the box kicks on and then off in a split second, but once the engine reaches 180 and the box turns on, all is well.

Mine had similar symptoms until I got the reflash. Injector #8 was WAY high and they were going to replace all 4 injectors on that side, but gave me the reflash instead. It runs great now except for the occasional limp mode. Still can't figure that one out.

Emerick, I wonder if you are on to something. If the edge waivers in and out in a temp induced haze (lack of control logic to prevent borderline kickouts), could that be the issue? If so, would it explain the knock experienced by some at low throttle settings, while warming up?Edited by: masterp2

Mine does the same thing at 160 on the attitude montor +/- 1 or 2 degrees. The only time I do notice mine is when I am on the road driving it. The truck starts to jerk and you can see what seems to be white smoke in the mirror not alot but enough you can see it. I drove the truck this morning with the edge unpluged and it did not do it.


Mine is a 2004.5 LLY D/A Edited by: boedwr

I believe that is the issue. Its like someone else said on here, put the attitude on stock level until you reach 180, and if you are still having problems after that then I would begin to look elsewhere. I have never had any of the white smoke that boedwr talks of.

My 05 spits the P1093 code once a week running the Edge/Attitude. I've also seen the EGR codes (insufficient egr flow) and my truck is bone stock except for the Edge. It seems to spit the P1093 code if I merge onto the interstate at medium throttle in mode 3 keeping it in 5th and then slightly ease off the pedal. If I hammer the accelerator it acts fine. I've got a Predator programmer for my '03 Vette that I use to read the codes and reset them on the Duramax.


Pete

The P1093 is a problem that I believe edge needs to address.

Mine will still jerk at 160 if the edge is pluged in and set to ( 0 = stock ). But if I unplug the edge from the truck it will run fine at 160


My Edge temp will be reading 160 degrees. At the same time the truck gauge will be reading 180 degrees when this problem happens. If both are getting there temp from the same senser then don't you think they should read the same. I am thinking that the truck is trying to change setting at 180 or operating temp range and the edge is still in the warm up setting at 160 on the edge temp. Does this make sense or am I just talking out my a#&http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif..

at level 3 after reaching 180 i have a ticking at aprox 2000rpms. now it is doing it at idle. i would not call it a knock, but maybe. is this what you guys are saying. it goes away under slight throttle or coasting. does not go away at any other setting including 0. hope no damage being done. guess next thing to do , unplug edge. any info much appreciated. thanks


nelson


05 chev cc 4x4 d/a edge/attitude

The Original Diesel wrote:



"Now I am thinking it could be that the problem is with the truck and is amplified by the juice. The makes even more sense if it was an injector due to the increase in fuel when on the juice."


To:/ ALLCntrlCalDmax


You are absolutely right the edge does amplify the fact that there is a problem with your injectors. Without the edge i had two injectors that were reading a little high as far as balance rates go (on the tech 2). When we plugged in the edge and the Tech 2 the two injectors that were suspect 6&2 where slightly higher while the other balance rates on the other injectors remaind steady. My mechanic said that an injector that is showing more than a +4.5 is NOT good they should be at 0 or bellow. So he replaced it. After putting everything back together he test drove it with the edge and noticed that the truck ran substancially better. BUT...there was still a very slight miss/jerk/bump. So he hooked up the T 2 and sure enough injector #2 was up to 4-4.5 on the injector balance test. SO long story short i took my truck home last friday night and i am going to take it back monday morning. he is going to change injector #2. If that doesn't work he is going to change them all.


My thoughts: I think that the injectors definitely have a problem, i think that the edge makes these injector problems noticeable to us. Without the increaded fuel preasure on the injector rails, which is one of the many things the edge does we would never know that we ever had an injector problem in the first place until it was to late (out of warantee or 100+ miles away from home). I am looking forward to monday or tuesdays results in hopes to end all of this friggin drama. I have to give my dealer technician a great deal of thanks because he doesn't get paid very well when doing warrantee work. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif He has made a huge sacrifce taking on my truck and i hope it pays off in the end.


EricEdited by: XR-Freak

I finally got smart and unplugged the Edge. I too have learned that the Edge is a great product but DOES make the small issues noticible to us. I recieved a brand new Edge system and when I plug it in the truck wont even start. It cranks but no fire. When I plug the stock wires back in, it throws engine lights. It seems that everytime I put it back to stock, I fry another sensor. I think the dealership might be getting a bit suspicious. Maybe I'll try a Hypertech or Diablo sport, no wires to mess with. So now I have a brand new Edge system out of the box with nothing to use it on. I gave up on it. I no longer need it or have any use for it. Any ideas?

Nico27mp,


Best bet is to sell it on e-bay.


But let reiterate one thing, i don't think the edge is the problem. Dealerships HATE doing warrentee work, it DOES NOT PAY $$$$$$$. The injectors have a problem, that's a given. But most of the problems will not surface w/out the edge hooked up. I have friends with the exact same set-up i have with NO problems. I've taken their edge out and put it my truck, my truck ran the same as it did with my edgehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif. My truck has issues, we know this, injector issues and come wednesday or thursday I'll have an answer as my truck is goiing back for another replacement injector, it will be in on wednesday.


Stay tuned

All in all, 3 edge products later and I'm done. I dont blame Edge at all. Its not their fault. I just dont need any more issues with only 14,400 miles on it. I'll get a Hypertech or Diablo sport or something. Good luck with yours. And I did put it on eBay.

Well, I put in the edge at about 8,000 miles and being very excited about it and loving the power I think I over looked many of it problems. The obvious one is the knock, and once had a "burp" while passing on the freeway which let out a huge cloud of smoke in level3. Recently about a 1,000 ago I pulled the edge for a stealer visit for a code check/reflash--dealer said no problems. But, I know one thing, it runs soo much quieter and smoother for the last 1,000 miles--mine may go on ebay as well!

Well, lemme add a wrinkle to this dilemma. I have an 04.5 D/A. The edge works great. As soon as I hook up the attitude, the hitching problem occurs with great severity on any setting, even stock. I disconnect the attitude, and use just the edge on any setting, and all works well. Any guesses???

As we all know by now, the Edge will excellerate any problems we're having and make them worse. A hand held tuner is the way I'm going. I hate to give up all that power, not that I really used it often but it was nice to know that it was there. I also really liked the in cab controller. I usually kept it on level 1 for puttin around town untill someone pissed me off or I needed to pass someone. Then a quick bump to 3 or 4 always did the trick. If Edge was capable of re-tuning the speedo for tire size changes we'd be ok. I just dont think that 44,000 bucks if worth losing for a little aftermarket greed. The Edge is a great product, no questions about that. I didnt have any problems for several thousand miles. Any occurance I had was a gradual process. Each and every time I plugged the stock wires back in to send the Juice back to Edge, I fried another sensor and had to bring it to the dealer. Enough is enough. The reliability issues were too great for me and a stock truck runs just fine. I dont quarter it, or 0-60 it. Not why I bought the truck. Its a work truck with a great sound system and comfy seats that sits the wife and I just great. Sometimes we have to make a sacrifice. Reliability, durability or performance. Apparently we cannto have all the above. I will be more than content with a Hypertech or Diablo sport in the near future. First, I have to find someone to buy my brand new Edge.

Well, lemme add a wrinkle to this dilemma. I have an 04.5 D/A. The edge works great. As soon as I hook up the attitude, the hitching problem occurs with great severity on any setting, even stock. I disconnect the attitude, and use just the edge on any setting, and all works well. Any guesses???


LOL - i found the same thing, i had believed it would be the case prior to testing it and my conclusion was what you found as well. I believe the problem lies in the fact that you can control the boost and defuel, and it possibly adds a bit more power as well - what happens is that instead of letting the truck do the boost on its own and the defuel on its own as it does without the attitude - you are now in control of it and i dont think the truck likes it nor responds well to it

Why aren't you guys talking to edge about that? That is exactly what they need to know. They won't fix a problem they haven't received a report on. Edited by: masterp2

Well, lemme add a wrinkle to this dilemma. I have an 04.5 D/A. The edge works great. As soon as I hook up the attitude, the hitching problem occurs with great severity on any setting, even stock. I disconnect the attitude, and use just the edge on any setting, and all works well. Any guesses???


You need to send your Attitude back and have it updated. You appear to have the old version which will not work on the new LLY box. The new version will work on both.

I dont know why all you people want to get your speedo recalibrated. When you put bigger tires on, your odometer will read less miles on it than there actually is. When you go to sell it with 50000 miles on it, it may infact have 55000 or 60000 i didnt do the math. I just plug in my tire size on the attitude and display mph on it. It tells me the exact speed. I love the juice, and I think edge is one of the better manufacturers to work with at least in my past experiences.

I have been in contact with Edge and they keep sending me new units, withe the same results. They keep telling me that it is a problem with my truck. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif Dead end every time. AGHHHHHH. I've just about had it. I'll let you know after all of my injectors have been replaced.

I was referring to the attitude being the instigator.


XR, try without the attitude.

Michael,


When i first bought the Edge (Sept 2nd) that was all i purchased. Thinking the the juice w/ monitor would help i purchased that as well. I understand what you are saying but the result with mine was different from yours.





Eric

RickDL


can you expand on what you are saying, including attitude (not juice) versions you are referring to?

I had the same bucking problem. I called Edge and they said the attitude must be version 1.5 (i think) or newer or that would happen. They undated it for free and now it works great.

I AM HAVING THE SAME CUT-OUT ISSUE AS ALL OF YOU ( I THINK) TOOK THE TRUCK TO THE RETAILER THAT SOLD ME EDGE MODULE AND HE SEEMS TO THINK THAT IT IS A TURBO PROBLEM????? HE SAID THAT HE HAD SIMILAR INSTANCES HAPPEN WHEN THE OLDER D-MAX HAD A WASTEGATE. (I GUESS FROM THAT, THE NEW LLY DOES NOT HAVE A WASTEGATE) JUST A THOUGHT. I KNOW THAT I AM VERY VERY VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE WHOLE THING.





P.S. EDGE SAYS THAT TRUCK MUST HAVE PROBLEM, NO HELP WHATSOEVER. BUT, DO ALL OF YOU REALLY THINK THAT GM IS BUILDING HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS WITH INJECTOR ISSUES, ETC. I THINK IT IS AN EDGE PROBLEM THAT THEY SEEM UNWILLING TO ADDRESS.

Yes of course it is an edge problem! It is an aftermarket product, and they are responsible for dovetailing it, not the other way around. But like all problems of this nature, they will hunt it down, fix it, and stand behind the product as they always have. Your dealer is another story, that's where scruples come into play. No dealer wants to admit this and lose market.

MASTERP2,





DON'T GET ME WRONG, I HAVE HAD EDGE PRODUCTS ON 2001 AND 2003 YEAR MODEL TRUCKS. HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH BOTH OF THOSE AS WELL. BUT WHAT HAS SEEMED TO CHANGE, WHEN I CALLED EDGE IN THE PAST, THEY SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT, YES, WE KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM, AND WE WILL HAVE A NEW VERSION SOON (USUALLY WITHIN A WEEK OR SO). BUT THIS TIME, THEY JUST BLAME THE TRUCK AND TALK TO ME AS IF I AM THE ONLY UNFORTUNATE SOUL OUT THERE WITH THE PROBLEM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT. HOPE THEY DO SOMETHING SOON, I REALLY LIKE EDGE PRODUCTS, THE ATTITUDE, ETC.

Welcome to DP. You have every right to expect this be remedied in a short period of time, or at least an integral answer that doesn't sound like a script. That is where we all come in. Call edge, not the dealer, and report to their engineering dept (go around tech support if possible) everything you experience, and all you have read about this COMMON issue. E-mail them this thread, get in their face. Many of you are doing this. Keep it up. In numbers, there will be solution faster. Edited by: masterp2

To all:


If the edge is the instigator why do i have friends that have zero problems with there units/trucks?


Now back to My/our problem. Like i said in previous posts, today i got my truck back from the dealer again after they repalced the second injector #2. Strange thing happened again (keep in mind my dealer has my edge and is using it in conjunction with the Tech 2) after replacing injector #2 a different injector started reading high on the balance charts. I guess we can say it is a trend because that's exactly what happend after he swapped out #8. SOOOOO he basically said F-it and ordered 6 more injectors and is going to replace them next week when they are all in stock. I will let you all know the results after the injectors are swapped.


Observations: I've spent a great deal of time with my tech in the shop and road testing. I've learned that with the juice plugged in my FRP (fuel rail preasure) is raised 1000 psi. Sounds like a lot but if you choose to do so you can plug in a tech 2 and manipulate the FRP up to 24,000 psi if you want to. So in my common sence approch 1000 psi is no big deal. But the fact of the matter is that with the edge installed there is a glitch in the matrix.....somwhere.... I hope that after replacing all of my injectors the problem is solved but we will have to wait untill next week. I feel like we are all benefiting from my trial and error because the dealer knows that i have an edge and he is willing to work with it, secretly of course. The issue however is very troubling to me because I'm sure edge has had similar results/problems and I'm willing to bet they have been down the same road as I/We and nothing has been rectified. I'm just not sure on who to blame.....yet...I'll know by next week, that's for sure





Eric

I haven't had an problems w/ my J/A.


I have some slow/stop-go in the afternoons on way home from work and everything is fine.


Except for having to wait for 180* to get some power http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


Had run in w/ a 300ZX and since I was only 150* didn't have any smoke http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


Not to open ANOTHER can of worms but the guys w/ injector trouble, have u tried any fuel additives to see what happened?

Eric


Not picking on you. The earlier LB7's had issues as well, and they had "unexplainably" intermittent problems between vehicles also, like no-starts. I don't know what was the cause but they identified it apparently, with no repeat of the problem in the following version.


Just a question: What logic led you to conclude that your symptoms were produced by fuel injector misbalance, or whatever?


Thanks for sharing your experience.

TO ALL:


I AM TAKING MY TRUCK INTO THE DEALERSHIP TOMORROW TH HAVE THE SEPT 13 REFLASH DONE. AFTER TALKING TO JUSTIN AT EDGE, HE SAYS THAT THIS IS THE MAGICAL FIX THAT WILL MAKE ME HAPPY (??????). JUSTIN SAYS THAT, SINCE THEIR TRUCK AT EDGE WILL NOT PRODUCE OR RE-CREATE THE SAME PROBLEMS AS OUR TRUCKS, IT HAS TO BE OUR TRUCKS ( OR A GM PROBLEM), BUT NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE JUICE ATTITUDE COMBINATION. THEREFORE, I AM GOING TO FOLLOW HIS ADVICE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. FINALLY, HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THIS REFLASH DONE THAT SOLVES THESE ISSUES? JUST CURIOUS.

Well guys, I had the updates done at my dealer yesterday. Disconnected the Edge and Attitude and the dealer did all the latest flashes. Re connected the Edge and it worked fine...BUT when I hooked up the Attitude, I still had the exact same hitching problem. Disconnected the Attitude, but left the Edge connected and it goes away. THE PROBLEM IS THE ATTITUDE. It cannot be anything else. I can't believe Edge will not admit there is a problem here. I'm calling them back again today. By the way, I work for an automobile dealer, and we also own the Chevy store where they reflashed me. So I know I'm not getting any bullsh*t.


Todd

THE PROBLEM IS THE ATTITUDE. It cannot be anything else. I can't believe Edge will not admit there is a problem here. I'm calling them back again today.





Yesterday I unplugged my Attitude to see if it made any difference.


Guess what, I still have the same problem without the Attitude. During warm up the truck would cut out violently just like with the Attitude.


The attitude is not the problem on my truck...................

tbrann,


which attitude version do you have? 1.4 or 1.5? just a thought, i had 1.4 on my 03 and had same situation. they sent me attitude ver 1.5 and had no more issues until i screwed up and traded to an 05

why was the 05 a mistake?

masterp2,


just because i did not have any of the above, seemingly, unfixable issues with the 03. you might say i'm experiencing frustrationhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

OK,


I went to the dealership to pick up my truck and my tech said he took my edge and plugged it into a 2005 that was in the back for Pre delivery inspection. Waited till it was warm and drove it up the street. Note : WE WOULD HAVE BEEN EXECUTED ON SITE IF THE OWNER OF THE DEALSHIP CAUGHT US, but it was a risk we had to take. Drove it up the street ran great NO hickups/bumps/misses/fish hooks. Ran like a bat outa hell. So that basically rulse out the Edge completely.





In responce to the fuel additive. Funny you say that because thats what Gm tech support told My tech. He said that the fuel on the west coast has less lube (luplicity) in the fuel compared to the east coast. Rumor has it GM is on the verge of recomending a lubericant additive to your fuel. They are waiting for a product that they and Isuzu will endorse, It WILL be a bulletin within the next month. When he changes out all of my injectors next week, well the remaining 6 that haven't been replaced, we are going to add an additive and see what happens.


Masterp,


GOOD QUESTIONhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif


We went through a plethera of diagnostics with the tech 2 including disengaging torque converter, fuel line temps, fuel rail preasure, injector balance, In a gass engine it's called a crank possitioning sensor i don't know what they call the diesel version..ect ect ect.... We found that when the bump hits the fuel injectors go haywire balance rates on suspect injectors goes up. Keep in mind we don't have to be driving to feel the bump, it does it at idle. Basically we don't know for sure, and won't know for sure until i have them all replaced. Kinda wierd how my edge worked on a brand new 05 with 12 miles on it. Obie One help, please..........


tbran,


Justin is filling you up with smoke, actually that's not all true, the flash may work and help a little but i doubt it. stay tuned i should have an answer by this time next week.


Edge will blame.....ahhhhh never mind Edited by: XR-Freak

OG Diesel,


On the original post i stated that my truck ran great w/out the edge. If you can get your truck back to normal by taking to the dealer i would do that. Then plug in the edge and let us know your results. You definitely have a valid point, but i started with a truck that had no problems, so i thought until the edge maginified them. I'm starting to get frustrated as well. Next week may hold all of the answers, or nothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


Eric

original diesel is addressing removing the attitude from the edge, it did not work for him, I assume his truck is fine without the edge???


It definately appears to be a minor problem. For almost evewryone who has reported this, me included, the problem occurs on warmup, before the edge is reported to kick in, ie, before the threshhold temp is reached. Below that temp, there is suppose to be 0 augmentation. Edge needs to evaluate why it's product is changing signals at a temp that is suppose to represent an inhibit.


For all:


In your posts, please specify the "attitude" version you are using before your post.


This will help to disect this a little more.

Only version 1.5 will work on the LLY. Found that out the hard way.

TO ALL


MY PROBLEM IS OCCURING BEFORE AND AFTER WARM-UP. I GE A "MISS" UNDER HARD ACCELERATION RIGHT AFTER SHIFTS 4TH AND 5TH. IS THEIS THE SAME PROBLEM, OR AM I EXPERIENCING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I GET NO MISS, ETC AT IDLE. JUST THE PROBLEM AFTER SHIFTING. HELP?

Sounds like something different, most are refferring to abnormalities prior to warm up, under light acceleration.

I was an original "beta" tester for Edge and always had this knocking/rattling between 130 to 180 degrees. Finally Aaron at Edge informed me about this reflash calibration that GM came out with on 9/10/04.


I finally got in to my local stealer and had the reflash done yesterday and now no more "fuel knock"!!! Now I'm once again juiced (had it removed because of the terrible noise). Yahoo!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

EXcellent post! Is there a identifier for the specific code/reflash?

As far as I know there is no TSB for this, but there is an internal GM bulletin out and I gave a copy of it to my stealer to refer to. Good luck!! Here it is:



<H1>04 6.6 LLY Smoke , Fuel Knock , Surging and High Injector Balance Rates - kw white black idle surge rough noise accelerate P0300 P0301 P0302 P0303 P0304 P0305 P0306 P0307 P0308 miss misfire SES DTC #PIP3129 - (Sep 10, 2004)</H1>


04 6.6 LLY Smoke, Fuel Knock, Surging, and High Injector Balance Rates


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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom described in the PI.<A name=ss1-1549221><A href="http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1549221&amp;psdid=437&amp;evc=sm#ss1-1549221" target="_blank">
<H5>Condition/Concern:</A></H5>


Customer concern may be a low speed surge (8 to 10 mph or near 1000 RPM), acceleration fuel knock noise at 1500 to 1800 RPM, rough idle, white smoke at idle, or high positive injector balance rates.<A name=ss2-1549221><A href="http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1549221&amp;psdid=437&amp;evc=sm#ss2-1549221" target="_blank">
<H5>Recommendation/Instructions:</A></H5>

<LI ="1">High positive injector balance rates (over +4.0 in park or +6.0 in drive) may be causing white smoke at idle or while driving.
<LI ="1">Document all injector cylinder balance rates at the beginning of the diagnosis.
<LI ="1">There is an updated calibration to address the white smoke, high positive balance rates, idle surge, and a fuel knock noise at or near 1500 to 1800 RPM.
<LI ="1">Install the updated calibration and evaluate the smoking, high injector balance rates, idle surge, and fuel knock noises.
<LI ="1">If there is still a mechanical concern with an injector, and balance rates are still over the SI specification of +4.0 in park or +6.0 in drive, replace only the effected injector. </LI>


NOTE: Before any injector replacements a large fuel sample should be taken from the fuel filter and checked for contaminants or poor quality.

SteveNorCal,


Thanks for the 411. Not to critisize in any way shape or form, much respect on the contrary for your input, BUT we have alredy covered that issue on this post.





Eric

Stevenorcal


That is a printable document we can use at the dealer to say "I did my homework". That is the first I have seen it in print.


GOOD job making the connection between this flash and one possible edge solution. Let us know if it appears to be a permanent one.


Since there is the usual liklihood that there is more than one problem described here (with similar symptoms), this may not be everyone's solution.

Is anybody else running the Edge/Attitude on the 05' ? Any more problems to report or does everything seem to be ok ? Edited by: Reaper

reaper,


i am running the edge on my '05. am getting some strange cutting out after shifting from 3rd gear to 4th gear and 4th gear to 5th gear. almost like the truck has a miss. or beter explained, like a waste gate is opening up (although, i know the lly does not have a wastegate) is anyone else having issues similar to this?

original diesel is addressing removing the attitude from the edge, it did not work for him, I assume his truck is fine without the edge???


It definately appears to be a minor problem. For almost evewryone who has reported this, me included, the problem occurs on warmup, before the edge is reported to kick in, ie, before the threshhold temp is reached. Below that temp, there is suppose to be 0 augmentation. Edge needs to evaluate why it's product is changing signals at a temp that is suppose to represent an inhibit.


For all:


In your posts, please specify the "attitude" version you are using before your post.


This will help to disect this a little more.





Version 1.5 on the Attitude


Yes my truck "feels" fine without the Edge or with the Edge on level 0 through warm up (165 to 180 only). I have delt with this issue by switching the Edge to level 0 until the truck reaches 190+, a small but tollerable inconvenince.


I am going to try to get the reflash performed on my truck this week to see if it makes any change. I'll keep you posted............

Ok, now that I know what I'm talking about a little better, I also have the 1.5 version for the Attitude, and yes, I'm still just using level 1, which works very well for me,in fact I leave it in 1, 24 hrs a day, Thing is, I let the truck warm for 5 min.,display usually reads about 90* - 110* eng.temp when I leave the house and upon acceleration the edge kicks right in, hit 2nd gear and i'm scoot'in pretty good if I want too, I usually dont cuz I dont want to load a cold engine, so I stay easy on the pedal until around 140*, then drive normal, (well, what's normal for me anyways) However, I do notice on cold start, when the high idle kicks in, I get a light (as in amount)smoke and the usual diesel smell plus a wicked sounding turbo whistlehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif ! Other than that, runs great at temps 150* - 180* and beyond.

That doesn't make sense, The edge is inhibited until 160

I understand that is the way it's supposed to be, I'm just saying with mine,(and it very well could be the truck itself,now that its got 2770.miles on it, though I would be extreemely surprised &amp; happy if it really had THAT much torque stock) it boosts heavy especially during the 2nd gear shift, and I mean it REALLY wants to go,even when running that cold (only if I use the pedal some, of course)). This is why I'm posting because I read many with their stuations similar to others,so I'm just wondering if anyone has an experience like mine,or is mine the oddball, (would be no surprise either).

reaper,


i am running the edge on my '05. am getting some strange cutting out after shifting from 3rd gear to 4th gear and 4th gear to 5th gear. almost like the truck has a miss. or beter explained, like a waste gate is opening up (although, i know the lly does not have a wastegate) is anyone else having issues similar to this?





MY tech took my edge and put it in a brand new 05 and it had no problems at all. He couldn't feel the bump at all.

XR FREAK,


THANKS FOR THE INPUT. AM WORKING WITH DEALER TO GET A NEW PROBLEM SOLVED. I HOOKED UP TO MY TRAILER LAST NIGHT AND MOVED MY TRACTOR. HEAT GAUGE GOT OVER 240 ON SHORT MISSOURI HILL WHEN OUTSIDE TEMP WAS 60 DEGREES. I'M STARTING TO THINK I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A F**D OR (O MY GOD, DID I REALLY JUST THINK THAT?)

dougrcpa


05, huh?


Please join this discussion on overheating. These guys will need your feedback


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14979&a (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14979&amp;TPN=26) mp;TPN=26


What weight? How long/grade is the hill? Tranny temps? Fan clutch observation, was it on the whole time? What edge level? Stock Tires? Grill Mod?

MASTERP2,





TOTAL WEIGHT WAS 25,000 LBS, INCLUDING TRUCK. TRANNY WAS AT 215 DEGREES. FAN WAS ON 85% OF THE TIME EDGE LEVEL 0 (STOCK) 285 TIRES ( ON DUALLY) NO GRILL MOD, BUT I DO HAVE 4" EXHAUST FROM DOWNPIPE BACK (NO CAT) ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Looks like the 05 is going to have the 04 LLY overheating potential, hope that isn't too premature a statement.


That is a heavy pull. What grade, for how long? TC locked up? Speed and RPMs? Did you try downshifting at all?


Was it loud or normal, any reason to suspect a bad tank of fuel?


I am REALLY interested what the dealer is going to tell you, keep me posted. I may want to see if you would be interested in a tranny cooler relocation project.

Do any of you think that Edge took into consideration the fact that some trucks have dual Alternators. Do you think that has anything to do with what we are experiencing???





Eric

MASTERP2,


HILL WAS ABOUT 3/4 OF A MILE LONG. AS FAR AS GRADE, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT IT IS OVER 4% (PROBABLY MORE LIKE 3%). SPEED WAS ABOUT 70 MPH. TC WAS LOCKED AND TRANNY SHOWED NO SLIPAGE WHILE LOOKING AT THE ATTITUDE. FINALLY, I DID NOT NOTICE THE FAN CLUTCH BEING ANY LOUDER OR QUIETER THAN ON MY 2003. AS FAR AS FUEL GOES, I HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED ANY OTHER PROBLEMS. SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE ABOUT THE TRANNY COOLER RELOCATION. I MIGHT BE VERY INTERESTED.


DOUG

To All,


The script was to obvious and ending predictable. I took my truck in for what i was hoping would be the last time until next oil change. Unfortunately I was wrong and i have some lousy feedback for all of you/us who are struggling with the Damn Edge. To save you some time I'll recap was has happened throughout this Topic/thread.


I took my truck in for what is being callled a "fish hook" that is when you are driving your truck with edge and there is a miss, bump, jolt ect. while under light, medium or hard excelleration. All injectors have been replaced and to NO avail same damn problem. Now some of you Diesel buffs are going to say well "you are an idiot" or " Your tech is a fool for throwing parts at a broken truck" Let me save face by telling you all that the balence rates on all injectors was high enough to justify chaging them. WE WERE REALLY HOPING THAT WAS THE PROBLEMhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif. I was really hoping to bring something to the table, something we all could have used. Unfortunately I could not so i would like to thank all who helpedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif. All responces were greatly appreciated.


So needless to say I'm not in the best of moods but hey you live and learn. You can look for my edge on e-bay. I'm over it.


XR-Freak

XR, sorry to hear about your truck, thats sucks for sure, keep us
posted. Im wondering like some others if the version # has
something to do with it - im going to check mine, but i believe the
first unit i had was version 1.5 and i had some problems with it on my
truck so i sold it, i got a new unit, and i believe that is version
1.8, ill check to verify, and havent had any problems with that one ??

Tbone1227 Edge told me last week that thay have only put out one version since the release date.Were you a beta tester or did the guy I talked to at Edge not know what he is talking about?Thanks!

Most current Edge program avail for LLY is dated 8/11...

So it sounds like the guy at edge didn't know what he is talking about.Can you tell me how to check for witch one I have?Thanks!

it should have a date on it and a version # - i dont have mine right now as the truck is still with the dealer and i keep my toys in the tool box in back, but i will check it out, i do know that its an august XX date but not sure of the version

For a new one I have sitting in front of me, it is ver1.5 for an Oct mfg date

does anyone know what the differences are between the 2 versions ?

hmmm, not sure if everyone is looking at everything as there will be 2 different version numbers on all of them - the attitude controller most recent is version 1.5 - the module itself will be version 1.0 - i was able to confirm those are the most recent and is what i got after my first unit wasnt too good. just an fyi on all of this

wow after reading the last 5 pages I dont know if I want to get an edge? I just bought an o5 2500hd duramax and really wanted to get an edge. What do you all suggest to get and have you guys ever had any tranny problems? any info or suggestions are appreciated, what about the banks six pack bundle?

have you guys ever had any tranny problems?





i've limped mine 2 times once at 80ish with defuel on 4-5 with a level 5 roll to the floor



another on level 3 with just a light roll on defuel 4-5 also.... this
one confused me a bit i think it was just a freak event though



a tranny upgrade is expected in my future (spring)