I'm trying to decide whether to get a Dodge or Chevy diesel. Seems that in my area, nothing comes thru with 6 speeds, so I'm looking at the auto's. The Allison appears to be OK handling the torque, but what about Dodge's auto? Will it hold up to towing and for the long haul? Anything about the Dodge trans that is better than the Allison? Or vise-versa? Thanks.

Welcome to the forum!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifI don't know about the dodge, and I am not going to be hypocriticle about it. I do know about the ally, and I was afraid at first. Now, I woundn't trade it for anything. 30,000 miles and no problems what-so-ever.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Good Luck on your choice.


On Edit: 30,000 hard miles. I drag race just about everywhere I go. Edited by: dmaxfan

I can't speak too much for the Duramax or the Allison tranny, but given Allison's reputation and history the tranny shouldn't be a worry. As for the Cummins..... I have the HO with Auto and 4X4 and I love it!! It hauls any piece of farm equipment I can put on my gooseneck. The Dodge will also handle the weight a little better too. I hooked up my grain cart to a buddys' 2500 HD Chevy and squatted it enough he was nervous about pulling the truck/trailer out of the field. I almost maxed out the trailer legs trying to lift the trailer off the truck and clear the bed when we unhooked the gooseneck. None the less, pick which one you like best.

So far the 48RE Dodge auto has not shown to be a problem. Not as
refined as the Allison or Ford's torqshift but its holding it's own.

ljw - welcome to the forum....Guys that like the manual transmission (like me and some of the others here) seem to be a dying breed...My last two trucks (both manuals) had to be special ordered...It worked out well for me, since I sat down next to my salesman at chevy and built the truck the way I wanted it...


Good luck with whatever you decide to get, and of course, keep us all posted

Hi Dying breed is right!! I love the stick trucks, and will take one anyday!! Did the salesman look at you wierd when you asked for a stick, or try to stick you with an automatic?





Take care





Will

I've got a dodge/cummins automatic and a duramax with the allison.. My experience is that it all depends on what you're doing with the truck.. If you plan on pulling heavy loads with it all the time go with the cummins.. I know it pulls much better my than my duramax.. Fuel mileage during towing has also been much better with the cummins.. The duramax is easier to make go fast in my opinion and drives great.. I'm considering buying another right now just to race... The dodge runs 15.2's (hurting stock tranny) and the chevy runs 13.7's on #2... It's about to get quicker though... I want 11's pretty bad....


For your info, the dodge is a 2wd dually with 3.55 gears... The chevy is a 4wd crew cab 2500 (3.73 gears)...

I have the 48RE in my Dodge and no problems so far.

48RE in my Dodge/Cummins No problems. Dad, brother and two uncles also have 48RE's and no problems with any of them. It really comes down to which motor you want. My vote went to the Cummins 600 with no EGR valve. The new Dmax has EGR, which IMHO is not a good thing.

Whats wrong with egr on dmax. thanks

Well I have the 04 Duramax with ALLY! This crap about heavy loads go with cummins. Sorry to say I had one, and my Duramax spanks it all over the place hauling the same loads. This is not meant to be rude, but give me a break. I haul between 30,000 to 35,000 5 days a week with both trucks, and the Duramax/allison handles it much better day in and day out. Again this is not a slam, but this my truck is better than your truck is goofy. All are good. Be happy its a diesel. Buy what you like and what makes you happy. Not what other people buy for there reasoning.

My cummins is an old 95 12 valve with 200,000 miles... Maybe this makes a difference.. It's not near as quick as my duramax, though It hauls 11,500 pounds better with less effect on fuel mileage.. This isn't a slam either.. I own both.. The duramax also has 35's, so that doesn't help either. To be honest, I felt my even slower 99 stroke pulled even better than both of these... Just my personal experiences... It was a dually with 4.10 gears though, so that makes a difference..

Well I have the 04 Duramax with ALLY! This crap about heavy loads go with cummins. Sorry to say I had one, and my Duramax spanks it all over the place hauling the same loads. This is not meant to be rude, but give me a break. I haul between 30,000 to 35,000 5 days a week with both trucks, and the Duramax/allison handles it much better day in and day out. Again this is not a slam, but this my truck is better than your truck is goofy. All are good. Be happy its a diesel. Buy what you like and what makes you happy. Not what other people buy for there reasoning.


Your right,whatever floats your boat,I think all three have there good points.Buy what you like and can afford,all three will haul more than you need in most cases..

Again, I hope my post was not read in anger over dodge, or chevy, or even ford. I had a bad day. But I would say that I feel any diesel is great. Some are better for some applications. Price and things is what you need to focus on. HEck if I did not want a new truck with all the fancy things, I would have bought a 12 valve dodge and rebuilt the motor. But I am a button freak. Love those new toys in the trucks.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Hired gun.... I completely agree.. I bought my dodge just to fix up and race.. I figured out quick that it was going to cost much more to make it "very" quick than it would another duramax.. So now I'm gonna trade my Z06 in for another duramax.. I'm probably just gonna sell the dodge to pay for the upgrades.... Oh well, the diesel addiction is expensive.... You only live once... haha


I don't guess you know where Owensboro, KY is?? I'm from a small town of 2000 about 20 minutes from there.....

I worked in Centerville and stayed in Owensboro. It is beautiful this time of year.

Know it very well. I love Kentucky. Especially the basketball. We just need more sled pulling here.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Go 6spd. Auto's can't handle the power.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/hoot/2004-11-07_153248_48re.jpg

Can't handle the power? Don't tell my Allison that. That is a pretty old display Hoot. That is by the way, a 6.5 rod not the dmaxes. How many times are they going to reinvent the 727 anyway. If my trans got to live with a puny 600fpt, it would probably hold up for ever as well. Start leaning on it, that will separate them.

That is a pretty old display Hoot. That is by the
way, a 6.5 rod not the dmaxes. How many times are they going to
reinvent the 727 anyway. If my trans got to live with a puny 600fpt, it
would probably hold up for ever as well. Start leaning on it, that
will separate them.



Oh so some false advertisement on Dodge's part. Waht do you know about built up 48Re's anyway? Any good?

Hoot,


Go over to the Dieselram.com forum and contact Tim Holt. He's developing parts to beef up the 48re.


MikeyB

Sorry Hoot, I went through a few built 47REs, and a few 46REs. Same trans. Just a few new components in them. Most trans don't live very long under my rule any way. My fully built ATS Allison doesn't like me very much either. But It's still holding. Just my prsonal experiences Hoot. If you want others experiences, call up Clint at ATS. There is a reason I went with the Allison you know. I have done alot of Dodge diesel building and got fed up with the power handling of there trans. I was building Dodges with big HP long before there was much in the way of good trany builds. And I was talking about the rod pic. It is a load. I do have a Duramax Rod if you need a real comparison. Still not as big as the Cummins, but it has 2 more and spreads the load over 8 rods instead of 6, so they don't need to be quite as beefy. I'm on the same team here. Just like to see accurate info. Dodge does need a new trans though. It would truly be a great combo if it had a Allison bolted to it. The Fords are having there share of problems with there trans as well. Check out the Diesel Stop if you don't belive me.

SuperDiesel - please take a picture of the DMAX rod and post it. I keep seeing the GM (Detroit Diesel) 6.5L rod being compared to the Ford Powerstroke and Cummins rod on Dodge websites (and being called a DMAX rod). Not sure what to make of this current advertisement. Lets set the record straight.


Also, I suspect the actual size of the Cummins rod has more to do with the longer stroke of the engine than anything else (but just guessing here). Plus what is not mentioned are the material properties that make up the actual rod and how it is manufactured.Edited by: OC_DMAX

It is nothing but a sells gimmick. Bigger is supposed to be better. Men are well known for "compensating."http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

Hi Dying breed is right!! I love the stick trucks, and will take one anyday!! Did the salesman look at you wierd when you asked for a stick, or try to stick you with an automatic?





Take care





Will





No will, the salesman is one of my closest friends, even though he's about 40 years older than mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif He knows that I prefer to shift my own gears (I ordered my last truck 8.1gas,6-speed) through him too...If I was going to buy a dodge or ford, I would go with a manual trans for sure...Track record just isn't good for either brand when it comes to their automajic....Then again, I'm sure there are some out there don't give any problems at all....luck of the draw, as with any mechanical piece of equipmentEdited by: partsguy662

I have both. My cummins is an 01 with the 47re piece of crap. I even put an ATS stage v in it not very impressed. My DMAX has a suncoast stage v in it and I'm very impressed with it. I run alot of horsepower in both and am much happier with the chevy.

Sorry Hoot, I went through a few built 47REs, and a
few 46REs. Same trans. Just a few new components in them. Most trans
don't live very long under my rule any way. My fully built
ATS Allison doesn't like me very much either. But It's still
holding. Just my prsonal experiences Hoot. If you want others
experiences, call up Clint at ATS. There is a reason I went with the
Allison you know. I have done alot of Dodge diesel building and got fed
up with the power handling of there trans. I was building Dodges
with big HP long before there was much in the way of good trany
builds. And I was talking about the rod pic. It is a load. I do have a
Duramax Rod if you need a real comparison. Still not as big as the
Cummins, but it has 2 more and spreads the load over 8 rods instead of
6, so they don't need to be quite as beefy. I'm on the same team
here. Just like to see accurate info. Dodge does need a new trans
though. It would truly be a great combo if it had a Allison bolted to
it. The Fords are having there share of problems with there trans as
well. Check out the Diesel Stop if you don't belive
me.



No arguements here as I know you are a seasoned professional. You don't
see me holding the 48RE up high but I'm sure it will do just fine in
stock and mild bombing. And if it's worked I'm sure it's plenty stout
for med bombing.