I just finished installing the Banks 6Gun on my 06 LBZ last night. Still in the process of having the trans learn all the new levals, but its lready alot faster. If anyone wants i can post some pics of the install. It didnt take that long to do the whole install.

Shure, post a pic of where you mounted the pda. I'm still on the fence between edge and banks for a tuner, but leaning toward banks. "today":banghead:

Ok ill try to upload some pics later tonight.

Get the suction cup mount for the Banks, if you go with them. The suction cup mount is way better.

Man i love this chip, its so fast on speed loader. i can spun the tires through 1st, 2nd, and 3rd when there was like a few drops of rain on the road. i got to find my camera to upload the pictures.

Man i love this chip, its so fast on speed loader. i can spun the tires through 1st, 2nd, and 3rd when there was like a few drops of rain on the road. i got to find my camera to upload the pictures.

I can spin mine with no drops on the road through those same gears :D , not running banks though. But still that is good.. At least you have more power now. Congrats..

Yeah im sure you can, i could to if i had my way with my truck too. But i bet i can still rrip apart my trans like you, lol

Actually my trans is solid at this point and I have been hard on it since install with no troubles at all. I have run two different units on it and romped on it and still holding fine. Good luck

Actually my trans is solid at this point and I have been hard on it since install with no troubles at all. I have run two different units on it and romped on it and still holding fine. Good luck
I see you have BD and PPE + hot.
You said you run it hard, and so far no trouble with the Allison.
What settings are your programmers at? I'm just curious because I havent' decided what programmer I'm going with yet. This will give me an idea of what the Allison and Transgo Jr. can handle. I've already ordered the Transgo Jr.

i wish i could get a transgo Jr. Kit, but my dad wont let me.

That is one you should fit dad on. That will help your truck & it does not cost much.

yeah i know, but i already told him about it and he yelled at me, saying it would void the "warentee" so w/e when it goes it goes, and it gets fixed under warentee.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/smokin139/pictures/truck014.jpg
Egt Thermo thing screwed into place.
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Simple plugs for wireing it up.

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Almost done with the wires, gotta make it look nice with lots of zip-ties.

Here you go, sorry it took me so long to post these pics.
And heres where i mounted the PDA. Its really nice to have the palm pilot PDA because it tells you everything you need to know.

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Just some double sided tape and a screw into the dash.

Looks nice, I still havent decided which tuner to go with.:banghead:

I haven't noticed any great mileage gains with the banks on any particular level, except on L4, i got an extra 3mpg at between 80-95 (82mph calculated average speed over the entire trip) and hand calculated the mileage upon filling at the destination and got 16.5, which i was totally thrilled on, since before getting the banks kit only got 13.3 doing same trip at same speed. Saved me about 4 gallons of fuel over the 280mile trip, $12 heh.

Yeah my average fuel milage is going down, but that prolly cause im rompin on it all over in speedloader. 3 is supposed to be the best fuel milage that banks said. ive gotten 16 before when my truck was stock. I havnt had that many fill ups yet with it installed, but i already know its gonna suck.

i just ordered my 6 gun pda system. So is speedloader level the level above level 6?

I'll be ordering the Big Hoss bundle for my brothers 04.5 Cummins and the Six Gun High Performance Bundle for my truck. I was hoping Ottomind6 would be out for the LBZ but it's not according to Eric at Banks. This will be the first tuner I've ever tried.

Thanks for the pics. Ed

"SL" is above level 6. The ottomind will be out in June.

You have to make the hole for the EGT? I thought (haven't looked for it) that the LBZ came with a EGT port somewhere.

Ive never heard of any stock manifolds with a pre drilled hole in them from factory. I know i had to drill mine, and so has everyone else ive ever heard of putting an EGT probe in. There are after market manifolds that have the holes predrilled, but thats it.

I think you get buy aftermarket intakes with the hole drilled & tapped, but the stock one you are going to have to drill it & tapped it.

I think you get buy aftermarket intakes with the hole drilled & tapped, but the stock one you are going to have to drill it & tapped it.

Are you talking about a port for an EGT probe, or a port for a boost gauge?

The probe for the EGT'S. I can not remember the name of the company.

Diesel New Guy here. What's the deal with these diffrent programmers and the factory warranty? Do you have to remove the programmers to take them into the dealer?

If so: Which one's are plug-n-play (ie the easist to remove)

Any body in the Houston area that installs these things?

Any help here would be appreciated. :) I am leaning toward the Banks.

Diesel New Guy here. What's the deal with these diffrent programmers and the factory warranty? Do you have to remove the programmers to take them into the dealer?

If so: Which one's are plug-n-play (ie the easist to remove)

Any body in the Houston area that installs these things?

Any help here would be appreciated. :) I am leaning toward the Banks.

Get the Banks six gun or the edge juice with attitude. The both have built in gauges & have safety feature to help the tranny. They are both plug & play. Anytime you can unplug the tuners before you bring them in.

Thanks for the information. I appreciate it.

Ive never heard of any stock manifolds with a pre drilled hole in them from factory. I know i had to drill mine, and so has everyone else ive ever heard of putting an EGT probe in. There are after market manifolds that have the holes predrilled, but thats it.

BD makes the aftermarket exhaust manifold for a pre-drilled egt port. It also has the manifold shape modified from stock.

Here is a link to it: http://www.xtremediesel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=842

Diesel New Guy here. What's the deal with these diffrent programmers and the factory warranty? Do you have to remove the programmers to take them into the dealer?

If so: Which one's are plug-n-play (ie the easist to remove)

Any body in the Houston area that installs these things?

Any help here would be appreciated. :) I am leaning toward the Banks.

1. Banks claims to be warentee friendly, but if you know your dealership pretty well, they are usually cool about it.
2. The banks is not a plug and play, or the easiest i would say. PPE and others like Superchip, are very simple. you plug it into the port, download the program then unplug it. Cant tell except for smoke and speed. The banks is a hard wire kit, with a small box under the hood that says Banks on it, then alot of wires going into the factory wireing harness. harder to take out before you take it back in.

Noticed a lot of people are running their banks on speed loader with stock tranny's and just wondering how many people have actually limped with the six gun. I have yet to even unlock the SL level on mine as i am afraid of frying the tranny. On level 2 i have gotten in the mid 19's mpg and never drop below 18 in city. I believe the roll-n-lock helps with a good bit of that.

Noticed a lot of people are running their banks on speed loader with stock tranny's and just wondering how many people have actually limped with the six gun. I have yet to even unlock the SL level on mine as i am afraid of frying the tranny. On level 2 i have gotten in the mid 19's mpg and never drop below 18 in city. I believe the roll-n-lock helps with a good bit of that.
Limping is more depentent on the Upgraded foot than the Level you set..

Ive limped mine and my dads in SL.

Had mine on lv5 for months, first day I put mine on lv 6, it limped just half throttle getting on the hwy. Scared me, cause I thought it only would limp if you got on it hard...
Hey, can you tell any difference with the SL attatched from lv6 to SL? Wondering how much added hp it is

When you switched to Lv 6 did you let the trans learn the shifts? Your supposed to go through 10 to 15 full shift cycles on each leval. If you dont let it learn it could do that pretty easy.
I dont run it in Lv6 to much but i did notice a difference compared to SL. There is also more smoke if you have the Acc pump turned up to 200%.

Had mine on lv5 for months, first day I put mine on lv 6, it limped just half throttle getting on the hwy. Scared me, cause I thought it only would limp if you got on it hard...
Hey, can you tell any difference with the SL attatched from lv6 to SL? Wondering how much added hp it is


Level 6 is 100 hp. Level SL is 140 hp.

Thanks guys for all the good information. So what I'm hearing is the Edge and the Banks would be the best choice because it can be removed and it doesn't leave any traces in the program.

:exactly:

Well Edge and Banks do that, but im pretty sure just about every other chip will too. I know my friends PPE in his truck can be taken out after clearing codes, and you would never know. Not even the screw holes or extra wires or zip ties. I would asume its the same for superchips, and bully dog.

Level 6 is 100 hp. Level SL is 140 hp.

"At the wheels" And mind you of the Quotes.

I used the PDA 1/4 mile performance test tonight out of a stop light and it said i ran a 13.7 second quater mile at 94. something MPH. I thought that was good, and i barley loaded the turbo, and was in 2WD. Any one else try that?

I used the PDA 1/4 mile performance test tonight out of a stop light and it said i ran a 13.7 second quater mile at 94. something MPH. I thought that was good, and i barley loaded the turbo, and was in 2WD. Any one else try that?

My best was a 13.36 @ 94.86mph in 4HI (boosted launch @ 2500rpm), out of the total of 5 times i've ever done it, and hit the governor each and every time. sometimes 1/10th second slower or faster. Didn't really load the turbo a hellofalot, couldn't get better than a 14.4 in 2WD, just couldn't get the stock tires to hold... spun for a good 3 seconds and moved basically nowhere. There's no problem getting the truck to 95mph in the quarter, I think if i used EFI live or another tuner to remove the governor, i might be able to pull a slightly better time, esp if i loaded the turbo to about 3,000. But i'm afraid to load it to 3 grand and limp the tranny...

I'm on a completely stock transmission thus far, and generally leave the Banks on Level 4 all the time.

Fast enough to smoke the ricers... Satisfies my need for speed, Actually i think i like the turbo spooling sound more than anything... Although it's fun to be going 90ish mph in a 8000# truck...

PPS: Never had the truck out to the track to see how much the perf monitor is off by vs. a true trap speed. Would like to go though...

I used the PDA 1/4 mile performance test tonight out of a stop light and it said i ran a 13.7 second quater mile at 94. something MPH. I thought that was good, and i barley loaded the turbo, and was in 2WD. Any one else try that?

DAMN, what level was it on? the best i had got on the stock tires was on level 4- 14.95@94mph, on the higher levels it spins way to much. you sure it wasn't 14.7? if it is 13.7 WTF!! :D

prestonia 24 doing boosted launches have you throwen any codes or limped the truck ?? were you in the sl level? how has your MPG done at 80 mph on the interstate any better?:D

Ive only done one really good boosted 4HI launch and it launched like a bat out of hell with a stick up its a**. Scared me and my friends. wasnt doing a 1/4 mile time then, but i dont want to bend by tie rods into a horseshoe. i did my run in SL and was in 2WD so with a 4 wheel boosted launch i should be able to take off alot of time. Weather the actual times are the same as what the banks says is going to take a race track to tell. Like you said. Im running a completly stock tranny also.

DAMN, what level was it on? the best i had got on the stock tires was on level 4- 14.95@94mph, on the higher levels it spins way to much. you sure it wasn't 14.7? if it is 13.7 WTF!! :D

Oh and it was a 13.7 and 2 wheel drive in Sl.:rolleyes:

Oh and it was a 13.7 and 2 wheel drive in Sl.:rolleyes:
did you ever change tire size/ recal the speedo?

Diddnt have to, its right on with my speedo. Maybe like half a mph.

prestonia 24 doing boosted launches have you throwen any codes or limped the truck ?? were you in the sl level? how has your MPG done at 80 mph on the interstate any better?:D

Not yet... Yes it was in SL & 4HI. No limps or engine codes so far.

The mileage at high speed has gotten MUCH better, by about 3mpg. (See Sig)

I did a LA to Vegas run over the weekend, and set the cruise at 95 (only slowing down to 80, once crossing over stateline... Nevada Highway Patrol was pulling ppl over {speed limit 55}) I filled up right before leaving, and a little bit after upon entering las vegas (sat in traffic for about an hour or so, so that lowered my mileage a bit). Got 16.4 mpg or so (hand calculated)...

The same trip a while back when it was stock only got me barely 13.2mpg

This trip, i was actually a little harder on the truck, and had 3 people instead of 2 in the truck.

I want the 6 gun -pda but it sounds like so many people are having trouble with the de fuels -shifts it is making me think twice. it sounds like it worked well in your truck. any regrets?

Banks was the only thing i could get, my dad wouldnt let me do anything else, because of banks safety features and stuff. I would do EFI live if i could. Its still alot of extra HP for just pluging in a few wires, and it give you all the gauges you would ever need. There customer support seems to be pretty good too. Couple guys get new boxes if theres isnt working for free i believe.

I had a couple of questions about the banks kit itself. What is the connection, plug to the pda. On the pda, is it just a regular pda and they give you a cd with the banks software on it? or is it specifically used only for the banks programing on it?

I had a couple of questions about the banks kit itself. What is the connection, plug to the pda. On the pda, is it just a regular pda and they give you a cd with the banks software on it? or is it specifically used only for the banks programing on it?
its a regular pda, with a plugin on thier cradle to charge it. the program is sent to you on a memory card and you pop it in and load it onto the pda(pda has a spot to put a memory card into it). not really sure how it senses the banks system, there are two prongs on the cradle the touch the pda, maby someone else can explain that part.

Oh and it was a 13.7 and 2 wheel drive in Sl.:rolleyes:
i would really like to beleive that, but even in BANKS test that they preformed, the best they got was a 14.7sec. run, and that was with slicks at a track. Maybe they should have run the test with your truck instead:think:

its a regular pda, with a plugin on thier cradle to charge it. the program is sent to you on a memory card and you pop it in and load it onto the pda(pda has a spot to put a memory card into it). not really sure how it senses the banks system, there are two prongs on the cradle the touch the pda, maby someone else can explain that part.


The system charges itself with the two bottom pronges. The charging station & the pda have a blue tooth connection. (wireless connection) You can change you levels with it not being on the charger, but you must be really close or it will not connect.

Thanks for the information guys.
what i'm looking to do is have a central computer for my truck that i can run my gps off of (which has bluetooth), and hook into the radio i plan on hard wiring to the aux rca plugs on the back of the radio, and i also want to put a couple of other controls into it. When u run your pda is it a program that you open, so that u can use the other options on the pda? Do you guys thing what i want to do is possible with the banks programing?

Yes, But you will only be able to view one program a time, the others will be working in the Background, although the switch is instant between screens.

i would really like to beleive that, but even in BANKS test that they preformed, the best they got was a 14.7sec. run, and that was with slicks at a track. Maybe they should have run the test with your truck instead:think:

yeah, that would be alot better. I just came back from MA spring fling and i my best run at the track saturday night was a 13.92 at 92 mph, that was a 4wd boosted launch and i hit the govenor about 50 to 100 feet be4 the end. so i got to get that govenor changed. best 1/8 mile was a 8.6 at 74.5 mph.

The system charges itself with the two bottom pronges. The charging station & the pda have a blue tooth connection. (wireless connection) You can change you levels with it not being on the charger, but you must be really close or it will not connect.


Actually, it's not bluetooth, but IrDA (Infra-Red).... Still Wireless. but Line Of sight only.

(Straight from the horses mouth at Banks)

Also, i know what a IRDA sensor looks like. BT might have been a better one, so you could mount it with even more versatility, but banks didn't think of that.... :-P