Made some more runs with the extreme today at Imler Diesel in Sacramento, CA.


Runs were 4th gear locked (Tech2), TC locked, OD lockout.


Runs were frmo 30-80MPH, which is just over 3200RPM.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DieselPower/2004-10-04_145410_image001.gif





Raw Data Values are below. The graphing on a mustang dyno leaves something to be desired!
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Nothing wrong with that. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

i'm chicken to pull out the juice grips and see if it goes higherhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif so i think that will suffice until i get some more air...

i'm chicken to pull out the juice grips and see if it goes higherhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif so i think that will suffice until i get some more air...


Banks gate.... adjust until you see no more than 34 PSIG post CAC... that is the max safe area i would push to... on the other hand there is another turbo floating around on ebay.... but IIRC a yellow hashmark on the compressor means reman.... maybe someone knows for sure.

been there done that with the banks gate...

been there done that with the banks gate...


What happened to the turbo?

no i meant i've already tweaked my wg as much as i care too... my turbo is still fine...

what kind of power does the extreme make from 3200-4500 rpm

i didn't run that one out that far.. the furthest i've run it is to 3900.. the HP curve basically stays flat until i get out of it.. if you continue the HP line along its present course (before the drop at the end where i lifted) that would be about right. i don't know what it does &gt;4,000 as i've never wanted to run it that high... i do know the newer version runs better up high than my older one..

what kind of power does the extreme make from 3200-4500 rpm


The stock turbo is done building boost and is actually losing boost/wheezing trying to keep up with the engine past 2900. So I don't know how much it matters. At this point it is not about building power, it is about trying to hold on to what power you can, as the turbo/boost goes away. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


To answer your question: The new Xtreme runs to 3800 rpm before the limiter kicks in. The old Xtreme used to stop at approx. 3200. Throwing out a number that says it loses 25hp or 50hp or 75hp or 100hp between 3200 and 4500 is useless, unless it is done in a back to back comparison, same truck, same dyno, same testing parameters against another box or stack.


If a guy were to post the results of that type of testing, he would make alot of enemies very quickly. No other vendor except the company that won would ever talk to him again. Other Diesel Place members that owned other boxes/stacks would then dispute his results and things would get ugly very quickly. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif


So hypothetically speaking, if a guy were to have done that type of testing it would be in everybody's best interest for him to keep the results to himself.


There are lots of good boxes/stacks out there. Everyone should do the research and pick whats right for them. Me? I'm having an Xtremely good time with my truck. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





Edited by: Trippin

I can see Michael's point in asking about the upper power band.


At the Willow pulls, two of the Xtreme trucks had the later version that fuels to 3800rpms, mine was the older 3200rpm unit. When you're trying to figure out whether to run in 4lo 3rd or 4lo 4th, I think it matters in terms of the speed you might be able to attain in the lower gear.


In the 8500 class at Willow Springs the sled was heavier, and traction for everyone continued to be challenging. All three trucks with the Extreme pulled 4lo 3rd, and I think because of traction the higher rpms hurt those going to 3800 a little because of excessive tire spin. At 3200 at WOT I seemed to hooked a little better.


If you can fuel to around 4k RPM, you can run the lower gear and possible get the ground speed you need, traction permitting, while having a little more umph when the sled gets heavy.


Just the thoughts of a 1st time puller.


Doug

So RPM regardless of power output is what we are after?

NO, but extra RPM (if its usable and makes good power) gives us more flexibility..


I still regret pulling in 3rd not 4th.. it seemed like 50ft down the track i was staring at my tach at 3700 in 3rd. if course i didn't think to shift http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


Maybe doug's lower limiter helped him as i was too stupid to let off the gas a little and see if it would hook.. but i'd still rather have more usable RPM in any case.. now i just need to learn how to use it better!

rpm = ground speed. RPM & power is what we're after.

We're running down the track at 3200-4500rpm over here, even 01's are w/o west coast tuning http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

rpm = ground speed. RPM &amp; power is what we're after.

We're running down the track at 3200-4500rpm over here, even 01's are w/o west coast tuning http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

rpm = ground speed. RPM &amp; power is what we're after.

We're running down the track at 3200-4500rpm over here, even 01's are w/o west coast tuning http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


That made me think of a civic going down the track with the engine screaming at 8k RPM.. i could see wher ethe RPM might help on the sled pull, but why would you want to run up there on the track if the motor's efficiency is going down?

The ground speed w/ the hi rpm in 3rd is better so u don't have to down shift at the end if u run 4th w/ less rpm.


pretty much all the pulling classes gas, diesel, tractors, semis the winners are turning higher rpm than stock and the middle of the pack.

rpm = ground speed. RPM &amp; power is what we're after.

We're running down the track at 3200-4500rpm over here, even 01's are w/o west coast tuning http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





Just when I thought No One cared about us 01 dudes. Who's tune Mike?





Mac

Tomac, i take it Justins truck worked pretty good then http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif I talked to him yesterday, and by the sounds of it the quad finally worked the way it was suppose to with us 01 fellars.

Interesting!


How about the mystery cruising shut down,rattle and idle lop too?





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

They aren't 01's any more http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

now we know how TTS gives the 01's rpm, it's not really a big deal after all

Justins truck ran very good. He's right there with me.Edited by: mtomac

now we know how TTS gives the 01's rpm, it's not really a big deal after all

Justins truck ran very good. He's right there with me.





So Quad has been doing some more R&amp;D again I see or should we call it what it is ..... Copy and Duplicate http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

now we know how TTS gives the 01's rpm, it's not really a big deal after all

Justins truck ran very good. He's right there with me.





So Quad has been doing some more R&amp;D again I see or should we call it what it is ..... Copy and Duplicate http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif





Steve,


You got it all wrong.....R&amp;D stands for Rob and Duplicate.

Actually quad had nothing to do with it and there was no stealing of secrets, R&D, ect. Getting the extra RPM's on 01's has nothing to do with the tuning, you should know that steve. A dedicated truck puller with an 01 Duramax figured it out and shared the info with other 01 pullers.Edited by: mtomac

RPM for the sake of RPM in this case seems to make a lot of sense. The only thing I can equate it with is hillclimbing.


When hillclimbing, you select a gear that will "over-rev" at the desired ground speed; you are past peak HP. As you hit areas that reduce ground speed, you actually fall UP the powercurve and keeps the engine from bogging.


The obvious question is if you are over-reving and making less power, wouldn't you be better off going up a gear and making MORE HP? No. When you go up a gear, it reduces RWTQ because of gear ratio reduction. You are actually making LESS usable power to the tires.


At least in hillclimbs, the last thing you want to do is be on the uphill side of the HP curve. Because if you slow down, you MUST downshift or stop, because every bit of RPM you lose makes you lose more power, and it happens FAST because it compounds.


Not that I'm a pulling "pro", but at least in theory over-reving is the way to go. It kinda works that way drag racing as well. You will go quicker by shifting on the downside of slope than at the peak with most motors.

Actually quad had nothing to do with it and there was no stealing of secrets, R&amp;D, ect. Getting the extra RPM's on 01's has nothing to do with the tuning, you should know that steve. A dedicated truck puller with an 01 Duramax figured it out and shared the info with other 01 pullers.


Gee that's funny, no one has to do anything special with our '01's to make them get extra RPM.................... they work as supplied with no extra modifications. So what you are now saying is it's not figured out but you are trying to fool the ECM.................... why not just fix it right and be done with it instead of all the smoke and mirrors.Edited by: Diesel Tech

Actually quad had nothing to do with it and there was no stealing of secrets, R&amp;D, ect. Getting the extra RPM's on 01's has nothing to do with the tuning, you should know that steve. A dedicated truck puller with an 01 Duramax figured it out and shared the info with other 01 pullers.


It's very frustrating to research and develop a product only to have someone copy it and very quickly become your competitor, with little or no investment in time or money. I can see Steve's point.


Knowing what little I do about tuning, I'm sorta confused on how you get more rpm's without using tuning. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

Mcrat,


I see your point about falling into the power curve. But how far above peak power should we go, in order to fall into the fat part of the curve?


It seems this pulling stuff is all about ground speed and not power. Get it going as fast as you can as soon as you can with the available traction. That way when the blade hits the ground momentum carries you forward.

It's the same thing as a heavy truck hitting a hill. Most of the drivers will step down a gear before they "need too" in order to use the TQ at the lower rpms as they climb. So, they over-rev the motor to 2,600 RPM in order to attain the meat 1/2 way up the hill @ 2,100 RPM. Seems simple to me..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


Think of it like this..... if you had a ratchet with a 8" handle and began to have resistance from the bolt, the handle began to extend to 12" until the bolt was almost home and the handle beagan to shrink back to 8"..... When it's 8" you can move the "center" of the bolt @ 5x with 10ft lbs and as it extened to 12" the "center" only moved @ 3x yet the TQ would go up to 14 ft lbs. .... Something like drawbar HP... Does that make any sence? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif





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Mcrat,


I see your point about falling into the power curve. But how far above peak power should we go, in order to fall into the fat part of the curve?


It seems this pulling stuff is all about ground speed and not power. Get it going as fast as you can as soon as you can with the available traction. That way when the blade hits the ground momentum carries you forward.





My guess is with the relatively flat HP curve of the Duramax, you'd want as much RPM as the engine will take. Since you are staying in the same gear the whole time after the start, your RPM will probably be limited by HP instead of the rev limiter.


Unless of course you lose ALOT of HP by over-reving.


You'd need a dyno sheet out to peak RPM and the trans gear spacing to calculate it. Once you lose too much power, you will actually make more TQ to the ground by upshifting.


If someone posts a "high rpm" dyno sheet, I'll do a little mapping to show you what I mean.


This same "over-reving" a flat power curve may slow you down dragracing. Depends on the shape of the curve. You might actually fall to the peak of the next gear, and lose acceleration as the RPM builds and power fades.

McRat,


I posted my comment based on almost all the aftermarket tunes. I agree the stock truck will have a linier curve. However, I thought the discussion was about "pulling with added power" and the affect that RPM has on the system?......


If I'm off, let me know. I do get confused sometimes. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif





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now we know how TTS gives the 01's rpm, it's not really a big deal after all

Justins truck ran very good. He's right there with me.





So Quad has been doing some more R&amp;D again I see or should we call it what it is ..... Copy and Duplicate http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif








You guys are overthinking this. There's no copying involved. The same Quad 215 tune that Mac has or the newer ones all work differently when applied in a 2002 truck vs a 2001...

now we know how TTS gives the 01's rpm, it's not really a big deal after all

Justins truck ran very good. He's right there with me.





So Quad has been doing some more R&amp;D again I see or should we call it what it is ..... Copy and Duplicate http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif








You guys are overthinking this. There's no copying involved. The same Quad 215 tune that Mac has or the newer ones all work differently when applied in a 2002 truck vs a 2001...





What part of this is over thinking?????


now we know how TTS gives the 01's rpm, it's not really a big deal after all


The statement is about 2001 and rev limiters. The Quad unit does not work the TTS unit does work. Not over thinking, just fact!

Quad hasn't licked the 2001 RPM ssue. Some ingeneous 2001 owners have licked the issue on their own. Not rocket science, but borderline on brain surgery...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

They aren't 01's any more http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





P.S. This is something that I suggested long ago...

Well all-righty then.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Are we cutting or fooling a TACH signal ........ http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gifNY

A dedicated truck puller with an 01 Duramax figured it out and shared the info with other 01 pullers.


Dedicated isn't the word, addicted is more like it http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif.


You guys have way too much time on your hands thinking about this all day http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif Diesel Tech has to know....... now back to the temple http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

They aren't 01's any more http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





P.S. This is something that I suggested long ago...





Sounds like these 01's now have 02 programming. Or am I wrong? I am kinda new at all this so I am just trying to read between the lines.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Or 2002 ECM's

Rpms haven't been a problem on the 01s for quite some time now, so this is not new...........at least to me its not. Some other issues that the 01s were proned to were popping up, to those that are pushing the 01s more than just programming/modules or stacking http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif. Easy fix, and life goes on.


Raise your hands if your running an extreme with an 01 truck. Just curious, nothing scientific http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

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Now thats some funny ch!t. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif I figured you'd have something to say. Other than Mac, anybody else ...

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

I figured you'd have something to say.





My sig speaks for it self. In addition, No hiccup,codes, shut downs right out past 117 MPH !!








Mac http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Congradulations to justin on removing his rev limiter on his '01 and to all on here that helped him.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif Didnt make it to the pull the other night but i'm sure i can expect to see him more often now. Steve your tts stuff has nothing to do with this at all nor does quad other than his quad now performes the way it should.

Actually the thread is titled TTS Extreme Runs...

so a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4500 rpm?Edited by: mtomac

so a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4500 rpm?


You'd have to ask Steve, but i'm sure he'd let you rev it as high as you dare go...

ANY TWO PEOPLE HAVE A NEWEST QUAD TUNE TO RUN AGAINST AN EXTREME TUNE. THAT WOULD PUT LOTS OF THINGS TO REST, I SUPPOSE ON WHOSE **** IS BIGGERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif TO HELL WITH RPM'S OR ET'S ISNT DYNO NUMBERShttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS AFTERhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif Edited by: Diesel Power

ANY TWO PEOPLE HAVE A NEWEST QUAD TUNE TO RUN AGAINST AN EXTREME TUNE. THAT WOULD PUT LOTS OF THINGS TO REST, I SUPPOSE ON WHOSE **** IS BIGGERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif TO HELL WITH RPM'S OR ET'S ISNT DYNO NUMBERShttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS AFTERhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Your right again NUT, only ones on here are DYNOQUEENS http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

ANY TWO PEOPLE HAVE A NEWEST QUAD TUNE TO RUN AGAINST AN EXTREME TUNE. THAT WOULD PUT LOTS OF THINGS TO REST, I SUPPOSE ON WHOSE **** IS BIGGERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif TO HELL WITH RPM'S OR ET'S ISNT DYNO NUMBERShttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS AFTERhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





You do mean the one that will not stack right? Everyone is seeking the OLD tune to make the power coming out of the gate or spinning the drums.


Aint that right Captain Cap?


Mac http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/images/smilies/pacified.gif (http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;noquote=1&amp;p=88988#)Edited by: Mackin

I figured you'd have something to say.





My sig speaks for it self. In addition, No hiccup,codes, shut downs right out past 117 MPH !!








Mac http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif





117mph, man you must be getting old or soft, no bursts up to the 130 range http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


Back on track, nice runs Nick. Would love to see the chart above 3200 like Tomac said. For us sled pullers, thats were we live and have to be, to get r done http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif





Edited by: heartbeatcanada

So The new rpm on the extreme is 3600? Unless I am nuts mine fuels to 4http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

ANY TWO PEOPLE HAVE A NEWEST QUAD TUNE TO RUN AGAINST AN EXTREME TUNE. THAT WOULD PUT LOTS OF THINGS TO REST, I SUPPOSE ON WHOSE **** IS BIGGERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif TO HELL WITH RPM'S OR ET'S ISNT DYNO NUMBERShttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS AFTERhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





You do mean the one that will not stack right? Everyone is seeking the OLD tune to make the power coming out of the gate or spinning the drums.


Aint that right Captain Cap?


Mac http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/images/smilies/pacified.gif (http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;noquote=1&amp;p=88988#)





I GUESS YOU MISSED MY POINT MAChttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif IM NOT PUSHING EITHER TUNE ALL IM SAYING IS TRY THEM HEAD TO HEAD AND SEE WHAT PERFORMS THE BEST. IM NOT BENDING OVER THE TAILGATE SPREADING MY CHEEKS LIKE SOME DOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

Trippin put it pretty well what would happen if you did any back to back testing. 1/2 the guys would rally around it saying "yea, my tune came out on top and this directly relates to my penis size", the other 1/2 would cry foul and the dyno operator used the wrong correction or somebody had an agenda the numbers were wrong, something wasnt tuned right ect becuase they clearly have the bigger willy and they have a dozen dyno sheets from another day that says so. For some reason there is too much loyalty and emotion in particular combos to it not turn ugly. The guys that dont have either super secret widget will try to wade through the BS and make thier own decision......


If I had a pile of money I would like to try the quad for grins but thus far I am Extremely happy with what I have. Hopefully nothing comes out to be better cuz I dont think I could handle losing anymore lenght on lil Philhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


JMO


So whats every ones Extreme fueling too outa curiosity?

Ratlover.... i am taking you to task over your sig....."Proud to be part of the 1/2% group " How can this be true if you haven't popped ONE turbo yet?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Or are you just not telling us everything?

Steve made a comment about the extremes only being 1/2% of his sales since he sells so few extremes compared to other tunes. Called us the 1/2% group. I'm glad he worked on something even though there wasnt a ton of $ to be made from it. He coulda just concentrated on the bread and butter and left us power hungry fools to use other options. But I think Steve has a personal goal to have the baddest tune possible thats still reliable and drivable. A few guys take that aproach witch flat out rocks for us dmaxers.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif Screw the bread and butter, lets see what kinda power we can makehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


Even though the president of the CTFC is a triphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif I dont think I ever want to become part other the 1/2%ers that comprise the owners of juicegrips and oddly enough all belong to the CTFC. One mod I plan to stay away from.


How many members is the Chowed Turbo Fan Club up to now? And who is the acting VP?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I'll gladly stay apart of the 1/2%ers.....dont need to become a .25%er anytime soonhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif


Edited by: ratlover

That betterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

ANY TWO PEOPLE HAVE A NEWEST QUAD TUNE TO RUN AGAINST AN EXTREME TUNE. THAT WOULD PUT LOTS OF THINGS TO REST, I SUPPOSE ON WHOSE **** IS BIGGERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif TO HELL WITH RPM'S OR ET'S ISNT DYNO NUMBERShttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS SITE IS AFTERhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





You do mean the one that will not stack right? Everyone is seeking the OLD tune to make the power coming out of the gate or spinning the drums.


Aint that right Captain Cap?


Mac http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/images/smilies/pacified.gif (http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;noquote=1&amp;p=88988#)





I GUESS YOU MISSED MY POINT MAChttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif IM NOT PUSHING EITHER TUNE ALL IM SAYING IS TRY THEM HEAD TO HEAD AND SEE WHAT PERFORMS THE BEST. IM NOT BENDING OVER THE TAILGATE SPREADING MY CHEEKS LIKE SOME DOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif








Understand and didn't think you were. All I'm saying is those running the Quad are stacking to make the better than 450 ish HP.


Also you'll find Torque is where one shines over the other.No cheek spreader here I run what I know works on my truck.


I'm not anti Rattle Can technology people think. Point is it ran like poop on my truck and lacked all the features TTS has brought to the table.


As far as 117+ been there but whipping them hips around courners just aint know fun. There just isn't many safe spots I've found to really stretch it's legs,120 is as far as I've been.


Not to shabby!


Mac http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/images/smilies/pacified.gif (http://www.gm-diesel.com/diesel/vbull/newreply.php?do=newreply&amp;noquote=1&amp;p=88988#)

The Xtreme tune runs to 4000 RPM's as I saw no point in running it further. The engine begins losing power above 2800 rpm. Now that's not to say it doesn't make power it's just to say you have crossed beyond peak power at that point. In the original Xtreme tune I stopped the RPM's at 3600 as I saw no reason to run it further. That was 800 RPM beyond peak power! When some of the racers wanted it higher I asked around and 4000 seemed to be plenty for those who asked for it higher, so that's where it is today. I can make it go to 5000 if it's needed but as I've said you are well beyond peak power and really hurting engine life by doing so. Also Allison does not recommend input shaft speeds above 3800 RPM max. There are issues with balance and cavitation within the transmission at that point. So it's truly a decision on how hard you want to try and break things.

4k+265 tires+.71(or is it .74 od?)=http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif Ok I'll run top endhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I'll try this again.

So a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4000 rpm?

Some already have. Old news.

w/o sending their pcm to you

Steve- To your knowledge, do you have an 01 truck running your extreme 01 pcm and also running injectors????

Steve- To your knowledge, do you have an 01 truck running your extreme 01 pcm and also running injectors????


I have had several people ask this same question and this is what I can tell you We (TTS) have never tested our programs with injector modifications, we have had customers tell us they have run larger injectors with our programs. Which model years and which customers I cannot tell. It seems the injectors have not yet been refined to the point where anyone is selling to many of them. I talked with a customer last week that installed 20 ( not sure if this means 20% or what) injectors tips and he said the lower performance levels picked up but it made no difference in the Xtreme mode he could tell. He was going to go dyno to find out for sure but then an injector failed and things are being repaired at this time.

I'll try this again.

So a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4000 rpm?





Mike looking for more Power and another sticker for the truck?I know you have a 02 but wondering your curiosity drive.





Mac Edited by: Mackin

can a guy get 4000 rpm in an 01 Duramax w/o sending his pcm to you steve?

TOMAC I THINK YOUR ? IS FALLING ON DEAF EARShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

I think Mike is going to put the twin turbo stacks thru the hood of a 01.


New race truck http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif


Is Jim's truck an 01?

TOMAC I THINK YOUR ? IS FALLING ON DEAF EARShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





Or he just needs to learn how to read! Kind of dumb to have to keep repeating yourself to someone who doesn't want to buy anything! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Real intellegent reply. Instead of directly answering my question you side-step it and use personal attacks. Why would anyone buy something from you when you field questions about your product in this mannor. Nice work as a supporting vendor Mr. Cole.Edited by: mtomac

Nice work as a supporting vendor Mr. Cole.





Interesting, here I thought you guys were on first name basis.





Mr. Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Question


So a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4000 rpm?



Answer





Some already have. Old news.



Mr Tomac


Supporting vendor or not you need to learn to read. You come here every chance you get to push your agenda and try to belittle our products and quite honestly I've gotten tired of it. You have no intension of buying anything only starting arguments. I would not sell anything to you and you would not buy anything from me so why don't you just leave it alone. If that's a problem then so be it.

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Going back to the original topic about the dyno runs...


For drag racing, it looks like there is only a slight benefit for him to shift higher than 3200 RPM.


Apparently there is a quirk about the Allison where they put second gear in an odd position. Normally it would be 2.10 to maintain RPM, but it's 1.81 instead. Odd. Over-reving 1st gear will make some gains, but the rest? Looks like 3200 would be just fine, based on his curve, and my limited knowledge about diesel dragracing.

The trans is always trying to shift at the same time. Unless you are clicking through the gears manualy I dont see how a rasied revlimiter helps......unless durring the shift the motor sneaks past the revlimiter, it will keep pulling instead of bouncing off the rev limiter and then freaking out the allision and really shifting like crap. B

DOH!!! I was thinking shift points instead of rev-limiter. I'm kinda new to the automatic transmission thang.


Are the shift points programmable in the Allison?

yup they are, everything is controled by the tcm. You could tell it to shift to first when you hit 100 if you wanted.

Although I've never explored it, it looks like the Tech 2 can set the shift points. Since I've never tried it I don't know that the shift points would be held or if the Allison would "correct" them and relearn it's old shift patterns... But it does appear they are programmable, at least temporarily. I've thought about adjusting them at the track, but never have for fear that it would hurt me more than help since I didn't know what I was doing... One day I'll try it. I've been told by a reliable source that adjusting them can be done, but you'd have to do a lot of testing to get the points just right... Than, at the track, you'd just take five minutes to program each shift point and the shifting would be exactly the same each time. Again, something I've never tried......

Going by the graph of his truck, probably the only shift point that would improve ET's would be the 1-2 shift. Move it up to ~3600-3700, then leave the rest at 3200. Bet it knocks .1-.2 off the ET.

Going by the graph of his truck, probably the only shift point that would improve ET's would be the 1-2 shift. Move it up to ~3600-3700, then leave the rest at 3200. Bet it knocks .1-.2 off the ET.





Ok, I'm in. Lets reprogram some shift points. Instructions anyone?

Me three!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

I'm going to email you some stuff Guy. PM me when you read it. I don't email from home.

I'd appreciate it if you guys would keep me in the loop with changing the trans shifts. I'm very curious to know if it's possible and if so how it helps... I'll venture some day, just don't have the time right now.

isnt the trany stuff and the motor stuff 2 different computers??? TTS is the motor part right, now you need a tech 2 or a different tcm for the tranny????? that is if you want to control the shift points. please let me know if i have been mislead.

I'd appreciate it if you guys would keep me in the loop with changing the trans shifts. I'm very curious to know if it's possible and if so how it helps... I'll venture some day, just don't have the time right now.

The guys are having a little fun is all. The Tech 2 cannot reprogram shift points. It can command shifts and torque converter lockup for testing purposes but it cannot program. Allison has not released that to GM ( kinda like our wives).

Pat
I do not see the advantage in making the 1-2 shift later in the Ally with its low first gear unless you are thinking less rpm drop into second. I still don't like the idea and question where the powerband will actually be after shifting into second. This sounds like a subject to drink over.

mike

I'm in! Let's start drinking! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I'd appreciate it if you guys would keep me in the loop with changing the trans shifts. I'm very curious to know if it's possible and if so how it helps... I'll venture some day, just don't have the time right now.




The guys are having a little fun is all. The Tech 2 cannot reprogram shift points. It can command shifts and torque converter lockup for testing purposes but it cannot program. Allison has not released that to GM ( kinda like our wives).

Pat
I do not see the advantage in making the 1-2 shift later in the Ally with its low first gear unless you are thinking less rpm drop into second. I still don't like the idea and question where the powerband will actually be after shifting into second. This sounds like a subject to drink over.

mike



You'll notice when you are racing the Allison, it fails down on the 1-2 and stays up after that. If you look at the ratios, 2nd should have been about 2.10, not 1.81. You only stay in 3rd a very brief time because of it. The tach barely moves.


If the dyno sheet is accurate, on the 1-2 you will fall to ~1900 (IIRC, don't have my notes) which is a bit down on HP. The other shifts, you fall right into peak HP every shift. That's why these feel like electric motors most the time.


And you're absolutely right, it's Beer Thirty.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I'm surprised that the TCM not PCM controls absolute shift points. I would think they would put that in the PCM so when you switch to the 8.1, you don't need 2 different TCM's.


See if the TCM is the same PN for both, and you should have your answer.

maybe converter lockup in 2nd has something to do with the gear ratios in the allison

MY QUESTION: "So a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4000 rpm?"

YOUR ANSWER: "Some already have. Old news."

So you can get extra rpms on some 01's?

Edited by: mtomac

My question: "So a guy with an 01 Duramax can buy a TTS powerloader and download the extreme tune into his 01 pcm and get up to 4000 rpm?"

Steve's answer: "Some already have. Old news."

Do I "READ" your answer as a yes, no, or maybe?



Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just trying to make peace. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


I thought it was fairly well known that Steve was the only one to solve the 01 rpm and speed limiter issue back when he owned his 01. Hence the term "old news" So the answer is yes.


I think at one time Steve didn't see any reason to push the rpm into the 4,000 range, as the boost falls off pretty good. But as racers/pullers have asked for it, he has obliged.


Peace out! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley33.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif


(Chanting) Ohmmmm..........Ohmmmm......I am at peace with the Duramax engine......Ohmmmm........Ohmmmm.

I'm in! Let's start drinking! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Me too!!





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

The 1-2 and pretty much all shifts are pretty good. Put in a torque converter that couples tighter...

Tight is good! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

"The guys are having a little fun is all. The Tech 2 cannot reprogram shift points. It can command shifts and torque converter lockup for testing purposes but it cannot program. Allison has not released that to GM ( kinda like our wives). "


Thanks Mike, this is exactly the info that I was looking for.

Ignore what I said. I guess you can't race a calculator. While on paper the 1-2 drop is huge, on my truck it only drops to 2800 due to the convertor I assume.


Nevermind! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif

Pat

Does this mean we are not drinking? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif

Pat

Does this mean we are not drinking? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


It means that stick shift calculations don't work on automatics.


And the stock Allison will stall to 2800 under full boost from what I can see. If the convertor locked, I guess it would be different.

Pat

Does this mean we are not drinking? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


You guys are probably drinking Vanilla Latte's from Starbucks........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


It's 4:30 in CT...........So I'mm having a drink........


As far as shifting, if you get the right program.......Allison is a happy little girl........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifNY

DIDNT KNOW THAT DRINKING ORANGE CRUSH WAS SO RELAXING TONYhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Vanilla Latte's? Hell, I drink warm beer from a dirty can!


It's 1:30 in the real world, and I have to finish reverse engineering a SRT-4 crankshaft support before I can tilt one...


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Hey boys, How many trucks do you see pulling that are doing good other than the guys running the quad. It is awesome, if you guys want to come down and play with us quad boys. Come on down and visit.

Naw, you come down here!

Hey boys, How many trucks do you see pulling that are doing good other than the guys running the quad. It is awesome, if you guys want to come down and play with us quad boys. Come on down and visit.


The Quad/Edge stack is good combo. I own both. I used to run them, just not anymore. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

DIDNT KNOW THAT DRINKING ORANGE CRUSH WAS SO RELAXING TONYhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


TONIGHTS JUST A QUIET NIGHT.........


YANKEES ARE KICKING SOME TWINS AZZ IN THE DOME.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif


Orange crush,........NAHHHHHHH


Maybe some Quervo 1800 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Some Sour mix.......


and you figure the rest.......


No salt........


and this is this the real world........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


We are always ahead of you westcoasters.....in time and HP.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifNY

BALONY DO YOU NEED A GEOGRAPHY LESSON OR WHAT--------THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS AINT ON THE WEST COASThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Hey boys, How many trucks do you see pulling that are doing good other than the guys running the quad. It is awesome, if you guys want to come down and play with us quad boys. Come on down and visit.

blackjet

Now that you and mtomac are no longer competetive with your quads, what is the next move? Us big boys are using TTS. Make a move soon or you will have to rename to blackpiper. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif I have also heard( don't know if it's true) that certain people couldn't buy a TTS product no matter what. I am a TTS dealer and I guess when the names comes up I will know who these guys are. Till then, we hope and pray. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

mike

So I'm not competitive? What you been drinking Mike?

If TTS has a black list I better be at the top of it.

BALONY DO YOU NEED A GEOGRAPHY LESSON OR WHAT--------THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS AINT ON THE WEST COASThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


Peanut,


I can read a map.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif


AND......


As far as a Quad 215 tuner compared to a TTS Xtreme.......


I got a 215 for sale.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif......and I have run it on the track and street......


Not to throw stones http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif , but I ran 4/10th faster and 2 mph faster on a TTS Xtreme ONLY in the 1/4 mile over a Quad 215/Hot Attitude 145 stack......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


Street manners don't even compare IMHO.......the TTS is far smoother with no surge or timing rattle.......


If you have a Quad 215, you need to get a ride in a TTS equipped truck......so you know what you are missing.....


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifNYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Damm pissing match............ ya'll are on two different sides of the states......magpies, the both of ya.


Maybe..... just maybe, Steve will "give" you a box to try? However, you would need to return it with-in a quarter.......


mice or men......


BRB.......getting flame suit.......





Burner---------------&gt; http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

So I'm not competitive? What you been drinking Mike?

If TTS has a black list I better be at the top of it.

Michael

Your truck is getting long in the tooth and so is your tune. It does not look like you can compete in the drags; maybe 3rd place, second at best. I don't think you will see 11's again. I see your truck slipping in the sled pull finishes. This is not a flame, it is reality. As far as being at the top of someones list, I know nothing about that and do not care. By the way, I drink Gin and not a lot of it so I can read statistics better.

So I'm not competitive? What you been drinking Mike?

If TTS has a black list I better be at the top of it.


I think anyone who makes light of Mike Tomac's accomplishments is sniffing glue. You gotta respect anyone who puts that much time and effort into a vehicle and kicks ass with it no matter WHO'S parts he's running. Two years ago, Duramax's were a curiousity, now they are contenders thanks to guys like Tomac.


While I am certainly convinced that Steve Cole is one of the best tuners alive, there is little doubt that Tomac is putting the rubber to the road with his setup.


I for one would think it would be DAMN interesting to see what Tomac's truck runs with a TTS tune in it. Pity we may never see it.

Here Here McRat so true. Tomac was one of the first who put the Duramax in contention.








Mac

McRat,


I don't believe anyone is making light of mtomac's truck or his choice of tunes he runs........his combination obviously works for him and there is more than a big tune to getting consistency in racing or pulling.


What started as a thread about TTS tunes has gone off on a few different tangents.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif.


Bottom line is many of us have tried about all there is to try........dyno numbers and track numbers speak for themselves......


As you know some people post rather ridiculous claims but that's a whole 'nother story.


If you have had power boxes from the beginning you know how far things have come........


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if something is better or not as far as driveability.........and even though ya might laugh at it the SOTP-O-Meter is pretty accurate if you know your truck......


So I wish everyone luck on their quest for the best........


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gifNY

While there may be a difference of opinion on whose parts work or don't, I admire Tomac for the effort he's put into his racing program. It's not as easy as it looks.


I try to make it a rule that I won't ever slam someone on their racing efforts. Fast or slow, win or lose, it's serious business that takes effort and risk. Like many others, I've had friends die racing.


Had Shaun Carlson in the shop today. He ran 7.7 @ 194 in a FWD Neon SRT-4 recently. I asked him how his racing was going, and he asked how mine was doing. Even though we are different leagues, we actually share a lot in common. It's all good. We have the same disease, so we can appreciate the glory and the agony together.


Although I have never met Mike Tomac, I feel he is one of my brothers. Yes, I'm just a part-time "weekend warrior" in my racing efforts, I do know how hard it is to show up and lay it down.


So, no offense to my friends Mike L, Steve C, and the rest of my friends here, I won't sit idle when I hear bad talk about Tomac's racing efforts. He's one of the "good guys" in my book.

Michael

Your truck is getting long in the tooth and so is your tune. It does not look like you can compete in the drags; maybe 3rd place, second at best. I don't think you will see 11's again. I see your truck slipping in the sled pull finishes. This is not a flame, it is reality. As far as being at the top of someones list, I know nothing about that and do not care. By the way, I drink Gin and not a lot of it so I can read statistics better.



Thanks for the support guys.

Mike, without a bigger turbo I cannot compete with the TS dodge or Garmon dodge and neither can any Duramax with a stock turbo no matter what tune they are running. I can hit high 11's but why get booted in competition? I haven't been beat by another duramax at the dragstrip and the couple that are faster are running propane which is against the DHRA rules.

Mike, how is two first place finishes in the last two pulls slipping? Are you sure you're not drinking? With two pulls left, I'm close to making $3000 this season from pulling and dragracing with my "long in the tooth" truck. Edited by: mtomac

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Tomac,


You and your trucks accomplishments are very impressive. Keep up the good work. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifEdited by: Trippin

Tomac,


Hats off to your accomplishments over the past year or two. Your truck setup is top notch, and I would never question your pulling experience. On more than one ocassion I've read about you helping another 1st time puller make last minute adjustments to thier trucks before pulling. As a rookie 1st time puller, I appreciate the setup tips you've shared with us. I used a few of them at Willow and placed 1st and 3rd, so thanks are in order.


Yes we run different power setups. I had a Quad box and switched for reasons well documented on this board, but that's my personal preference. Your accomplishments with the Quad/Edge are well documented as well. I think the competition is good for us all in the long run.


Keep up the cause,


Doug

I got a 215 for sale.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif......and I have run it on the track and street......


Not to throw stones http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif , but I ran 4/10th faster and 2 mph faster on a TTS Xtreme ONLY in the 1/4 mile over a Quad 215/Hot Attitude 145 stack......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif





Tony - Not a fair comparison.....you said the truck was falling on it's face when you ran it the first time......since then you added a lift pump to run the Extreme. Take the truck back to the track and run Quad/Edge with the lift pump on.


I agree with the drivability with the Quad...although I was stoned for stating this months ago as I was running a "race" program that was not designed to be driven every day. I have been 13.4 with the Quad alone and 13.2 with the Quad/145 stack. I have also ran a 13.2 with the TTS 120/145 stack. The TTS tunes shift a boat load better than the Quad stacked or unstacked......non Co-Pilot equipped of course....and have much better drivability..no surge. I do get a flare just before the shift with a 120/145 stack will cruising around not under full throttle, but the Extreme doesn't do it.


I doubt there would be much to gain by jumping ship if you already had one or the other. If you didn't have a lot invested in one, it would be worth the switch or if you drive daily fully cocked....I believe most cut the power down for everyday use...again this would be easier with the TTS....and let's not forget the Juice. Not to mention the Quad was less than stable when loading a tune.


Totally unbiased opinions with nothing to gain or lose....take it for what it's worth.......I forgot to add....stock size injectors.Edited by: BIG DIPPER

THANKS FOR THE INFO DIPPER.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

Just so everyone understands the comparison was more than fair............


Not every run was a problem..........and since I have been asked here are the facts backed up by time slips.......my mistake it was only 3/10 faster.


No the truck did not fall on it's face every time down the track, in fact that was the fastest time I ran before I got the TTS Xtreme.


Quad 215/Hot OJ-Attitude stacked....... 13.681.........first time at the track........ (http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13992&amp;PN=5)


60 ft --- 2.023
330 ft. --- 5.652
1/8 mile --- 8.744
MPH ------ 79.82
1000 ft ---- 11.417
1/4 mile -- 13.681 at 99.44 mph


This is what Big Dipper was referring to. Went back again..............not as good (http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15083&amp;PN=2)


TTS XTREME......no stack


60 ft --- 1.958
330 ft. --- 5.532
1/8 mile --- 8.533
MPH ------ 81.96
1000 ft ---- 11.140
1/4 mile -- 13.354 at 101.54 mph





Bottom line is this.........I have a 215 tuner and I have HOT/OJ.....as well as Kennedy's VA 200 ++


Time slips speak for themselves........as far a drivability...... sorry hands down the TTS Xtreme.


If I get back to the track before it closes I will run the 215/OJ stack.....


Kennedy's VA 200++ -- solo


TTS Xtreme -- solo


Same truck --- Same day........all three with a lift pump.





The facts are the facts.........I have no agenda.......I am looking for the most power I can get without excessive timing rattle or surging.


The facts are well documented about all the boxes and tuners out there.....I feel qualified enough to post since I have most if not all there is to have and have run them........


Take it for what's it's worth........





TONY





One last thing.........for anyone reading this post........The dyno numbers are one thing.........drivabiltity another........any race or big tune will have funny part throttle shifts.......no matter what tranny you are running.........put the pedal to the floor and run it b a l l s out......in the end that's all I am after........but whatever it is I am running it needs to shift properly to get you to the end of the race without issue,


My first time at the track the Quad 215/OJ run had no issue without a lift pump after I disconnected the VA from the harness even though it was switched off.
But I feel I should add now as a disclaimer "adding a lift pump for fuel pressure.....probably doesn't hurt."
Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Sorry for hijacking the thread............questions were asked......answers were given.........


You guys make up your own minds what you want to do ......... I am pushing forward........





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If you look at the 60 ft. on the 2 runs Tony posted, you can see that a little more on the bottom and he would have been a tenth or 2 faster in the 1/4. Rule of thumb used to be a tenth in the 60ft is worth 2 tenths on the top end........not sure if it applies here in the diesel world.


Another thing to add, I believe Tomac is running the comp version of the Juice.....I ran that with the Quad it was much better than the attitude version. The comp made less horsepower on the dyno and to me seemed to smoke less.....but the attitude version was faster and noisier...with plenty of smoke. To sum it up, the Quad with the comp version of the Juice had less rattle. Driving that combo was not bad for day to day, having the Juice hooked up seemed to eliminate most of the quirks with the Quad.....the TTS stuff is still smoother though. TTS has a good amount of pedal sensitivity without being anoying.....and still has better shifts....the Quad seems to "push" through them.


I have the JK200+ as well.....just haven't ran it at the track yet. It is strong and linear like the TTS....just haven't got the shift quirk out yet.


To be a fair comparison, all factors have to be equal.....you can't change the truck and the program and credit the program. You need the lift pump to run the Extreme...just like the dyno stuff...same day, dyno, truck....all that jazz.


Edited by: BIG DIPPER

Do any of TTS products raise the speed limiter on a 2001 Max? If so, would TTS stack well [smooth drivabilty] if you have an existing Edge/Attitude [1 year old vintage-max 125 HP] that your pretty happy with and would like to keep?


I run stock size tires, had a recent Alli upgrade, and dont race so extreme HP is not the objective. I do some towing [up to 10k].


Comments back on this would be appreciated.

If extrem hp isnt something you are looking for forget about stacking, just keep the juice. If you want to race then the tts does blast the limiter

I will post later in the drag racing forum the full results/pics but I went to the track again today. HOT OJ ver.4.81..........13.50 @ 99.41


Quad 215 ver 1.20.........13.29 @ 100.50


Quad 215 ver 1.20/HOT OJ lev3lb1...13.17 @ 101.50


when I get my extreme I will keep you posted

I will post later in the drag racing forum the full results/pics but I went to the track again today. HOT OJ ver.4.81..........13.50 @ 99.41


Quad 215 ver 1.20.........13.29 @ 100.50


Quad 215 ver 1.20/HOT OJ lev3lb1...13.17 @ 101.50


when I get my extreme I will keep you posted








Your getting real close to being a 12 second truck! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif


That last .17 seconds is going to haunt you. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

A 13.0000 is a full second slower than a 12.9999 you will find.


It something that no mathematics in the world can explain, but there is a general concensus that it's true.

If I had an "old" quad that I could have stacked with the HOT OJ I think I would have been there. The exact combo that I ran was dynoed on a friends truck earlier this year at 460hp and 960's tq. I know different truck, different time but I think the new extreme tune will best that. All I want is a 12.99, I think that the extreme will do that for me. I do have to say though that my truck shifted way smoother/quicker with the Quad than the edge. Don't know if it was the extra rpms or what but it was very noticeable. The more power I put to it the better it shifted/responded. Mike I think you designed a monsterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif...................................... Keep in mind with all of this that I have NO lift pump. Would that of helped who knows.

Daryl

You are a bad man. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

mike

All I want is a 12.99


You say that tonight....after you go 12.9....you'll want 12.5....then 12.0.....then you will just want to break into the 11's.........it's a bottomless pit.

All I want is a 12.99


You say that tonight....after you go 12.9....you'll want 12.5....then 12.0.....then you will just want to break into the 11's.........it's a bottomless pit.








SHHHHHHHHHH DONT TELL MY WIFE THAT SHE THINKS THE END IS IN SIGHThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

It's a very STEEP GREASY HILL we are trying to stand on.

It's a very STEEP GREASY HILL we are trying to stand on.


I know I'm having trouble standing on it........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif





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SHHHHHHHHHH DONT TELL MY WIFE THAT SHE THINKS THE END IS IN SIGHThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


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Mine thinks the same thing! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Mine wants a faster truck for herself. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

Mine thinks we could have a new car with all the money Iv'e spent on the truck. She is so wrong.....we could have two.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

editEdited by: Kat_

All I want is a 12.99


You say that tonight....after you go 12.9....you'll want 12.5....then 12.0.....then you will just want to break into the 11's.........it's a bottomless pit.


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George
You could be wrong. I am undecided as far as what I am going to do with my truck. I too agree with Daryl that if I reach 12.99 I am done. If I want 11 second times, I can do that in two weeks with a TTS program and NX (yes of course I will have help from Steve Cole). I am enjoying the Duramax with what I have ( you guys must know by now )and really don't know how much further I want to go. This is the first truck that puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

mike

All I want is a 12.99



You say that tonight....after you go 12.9....you'll want 12.5....then 12.0.....then you will just want to break into the 11's.........it's a bottomless pit.








George
You could be wrong. I am undecided as far as what I am going to do with my truck. I too agree with Daryl that if I reach 12.99 I am done. If I want 11 second times, I can do that in two weeks with a TTS program and NX (yes of course I will have help from Steve Cole). I am enjoying the Duramax with what I have ( you guys must know by now )and really don't know how much further I want to go. This is the first truck that puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

mike


Get the $500 Jegs kit and go for the 11s.


Good for business and a tax write-off http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I installed my TTS Extreme Friday and my first thoughts were.....AWESOMEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif. I actually got a ticket out on my first test drive. My first time in extreme mode, I just mashed the throttle from a dead stop in 2wd. Smoked the tires in first, smoked em hittin second, smoked em hittin third, barked a mean fourth, and chirped fifth. Little did I know the biggest d**khead city cop of all watched it goo down from a secluded location.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif. So now I have an awesome ticket to go with this awesome program. Thanks Steve. I think I'll frame it. Anyhow I didn't get to pull on sat. due to not getting my elocker in. Been nice if the place I ordered it form would have told me I could have used some bearings to go on there. Couldnt find anyone to take off the old ones. Anyhow maybe some luck this weekend at Cynthiana, KY...It's an ATPA pull. Anyone comin?


Ry

Ryan, the day I installed my copilot I pulled out on a country road in the middle of no where. Started spoolin things up and was just letting off the brake when a stater pulled around the corner behind me. Luckily I rolled out without to much smoke and he followed long enough to run my plates and make my heart skip a beat. Sorry for your luck!

Yea it happens, I almost went to jail. I wish you could have seen me. It was hilarious. No shoes or shirt and covered in grease. Thank God I am from Ky or that might have een considered wierd. I was so excited to get to drive the truck when i got done I just jumped in it, no license or anything. Then the cop said I was tryin to elude him...which I really did but I didn't let him know that, I actually was outrunning his cruiser, but i turned in a buddies driveway and didn't make it behind the barn in time to not be seen. But at least he didnt write me for that.


Ry

Lemme see, you burn the tires through 5 gears, zip into a buddy's driveway not to be seen and the cop is a di**head for writing you?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


"257.626 Reckless driving on highway, frozen public lake or parking place; penalty.
Sec. 626. (a) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or frozen public lake, stream or pond or other place open to the general public, including any area designated for the parking of motor vehicles, within this state, in wilful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving.
(b) Every person convicted of reckless driving shall be punished by imprisonment in the county or municipal jail for a period of not more than 90 days or by a fine of not more than $100.00 or both."


Up here in Meeechigan you'd probably find your truck on the back of a flatbed, and yourself in a pair of stainless steel bracelets in the back of a Ford Crown Vic. And if the di**head decided you disregarded his signal and failed to stop.. well, it would then be a 2 yr felony flee and elude.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifI'd have to put some kind of block under the long pedal if I got me one of them there XTreme thingyshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Never said he was a d**khead for writing me. He is just an all-around d**khead. If you knew him you would think the same. At first I wasn't sure if he actually saw what happened when I saw his cruiser. So i just thought Id head outta town. But i never did see him with his lights on, thats why i kept going. Once i passed a turn where he couldn't see me, still no lights on, i kicked in in race mode so not to leave any "smokey" evidence, i shot out the road and turned into my buddies where i was heading anyway. I never knew he was chasing me till i got there, i just thought he might not have know who did it, so i was just getting the heck outta there. I have respect for police officers, and im usually pretty good on the highways. but this was just a confusing situation, ya would have had to been there to understand.


Ry

I don't care who ya are...... That's funny right there!

"Up here in Meeechigan you'd probably find your truck on the back of a flatbed, and yourself in a pair of stainless steel bracelets in the back of a Ford Crown Vic. And if the di**head decided you disregarded his signal and failed to stop.. well, it would then be a 2 yr felony flee and elude.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif


http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifI'd have to put some kind of block under the long pedal if I got me one of them there XTreme thingyshttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif"


NAH, just get on the Detroit (autobon) freeways, it's common practice and u would still get passed by someone in a bigger hurry http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Yep, in fact it would probably be me http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Don't forget about tie rod sleeves Ryan. All that HP and an E locker will put the screws to your stock sleeves.