Check out this old Ebay sale link. This truck has some very serious power
that oil burners can only dream about. 800HP and 900 ft pounds of
torque plus 11.5 @ 125 MPH it 2WD too.



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There are quite a few oil burners that run 11.5 sec 1/4. Not to mention running over 800hp and well over 900ft lbs of torque. And I guarnatee it cost them a lot less then $88,000 to do it.

Only 900fpt! We can do that with one plug in box easy!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif

Only 900fpt! We can do that with one plug in box easy!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif



Not at 3800 RPM you cant plus still makes about 800ftlbs at 5000 rpm
too. At that is buy far nastier than 1000 ftlb at 2500 RPM. Also
Henssey make yet another mod the is 1000 hp and over 1000ftlbs or
torque.

I can buy a brand new loaded crew cab, put some money into it, run the same times... and tow my fifth wheel, and plow snow, and fit my kids, and get 17+ mpg and drive it year round and ......well, thats enough

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There are quite a few oil burners that run 11.5 sec
1/4. Not to mention running over 800hp and well over 900ft lbs of
torque. And I guarnatee it cost them a lot less then $88,000 to
do it.



Show them to me because they are not doing it in 2WD and turning those
times and speeds AND topping out at well over 150 MPH for top speed
too. Plus try racing one for several miles at that power level without
a meltdown. Yes it is expensive but it would kill any street oil burner
out there in a 2wd quarter mile and walk away in top speed to and start
in cold weather without a preheat too. Yes this is extreme but it can
go a lot further yet in HP output if need be. Plus on a 60 MPH running
start this thing would pull away so fast from a oil burner it would be
like you put the brakes on in it because once your 4x4 launch is gone,
you would be toast. You can get some interesting power out of a diesel
for sure but it is no match for gassers like this and it does not even
need 4x4 start to do it too. Put 4x4 in that truck at this power level
and you will be well into the 10's.

[QUOTE=dmaxalliTech]I can buy a brand new loaded crew cab, put some
money into it, run the same times... and tow my fifth wheel, and plow
snow, /QUOTE]



As long as it does not get too cold and/or you have a heated garage or
long extension cord and make sure fuel is condition right at to not gel
or wax out. Also no to mention how unmanuverable it will be in a crew
cab try to plow snow in that land yatch. I know as I have plowed
snow with gassers for 19 years in temps as cold as minus 40 and at that
temp nobody was plowing with a diesel P/U then. (and it was not because
they were not availible either). It was so cold you had to thin
plow fluid with kerosene and tranny, transfercase and power steering
fluid too. 75w90 is like very thick glue at that temp too (even the
synthetic stuff too).

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Snowflake ROFLMAO http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

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[QUOTE=dmaxalliTech]I can buy a brand new loaded crew cab, put some money into it, run the same times... and tow my fifth wheel, and plow snow, /QUOTE]

As long as it does not get too cold and/or you have a heated garage or long extension cord and make sure fuel is condition right at to not gel or wax out. Also no to mention how unmanuverable it will be in a crew cab try to plow snow in that land yatch. I know as I have plowed snow with gassers for 19 years in temps as cold as minus 40 and at that temp nobody was plowing with a diesel P/U then. (and it was not because they were not availible either). It was so cold you had to thin plow fluid with kerosene and tranny, transfercase and power steering fluid too. 75w90 is like very thick glue at that temp too (even the synthetic stuff too).



It's not 1975 anymore. I live in a lot colder climate then you do. I have seen it so cold that gassers will not start.


Let me tell you a story.


Last year in January a buddy came over to my house to visit. It started storming and was down to -37 degrees. He decided he would stay over because it was storming. My truck was outside because i had a project on the go in my garage. We plugged both trucks in as I have done many times before. He drives a 2003 blazer with a 4.3L. We didn't know it until the next morning but it blew the breaker. The storm let up so he decided to go home. Guess which vehicle started and which one didn't? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

BMDMAX runs 12.3 on a 2wd duramax.


Hoss from TDR runs 11.80 at 119mph with a 2WD 98 Cummins


Joe Hellman went 10.97 @ 130 (85,000 miles on that Cummins)


There is more but my point is proven.

BMDMAX runs 12.3 on a 2wd duramax.


Hoss from TDR runs 11.80 at 119mph with a 2WD 98 Cummins


Joe Hellman went 10.97 @ 130 (85,000 miles on that Cummins)


There is more but my point is proven.





Slicks or street tires??? Looks like that done on street tires, for 88k which come from tuner(big $$$mark-up) 11.5 with a manual six speed!!


Granted I am no dodge lover, that is one kickin truck. I will have to say, that from a 50 roll its bye diesel!!! here the dyno sheet, can you say POWERBAND!! making over 700ftlbs for over 2500rpms


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It was the trail blazer right?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


You'll never prove a point with some peoplehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif

It was the trail blazer right?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif








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BMDMAX runs 12.3 on a 2wd Duramax.


Hoss from TDR runs 11.80 at 119mph with a 2WD 98 Cummins


Joe Hellman went 10.97 @ 130 (85,000 miles on that Cummins)


There is more but my point is proven.





Slicks or street tires??? Looks like that done on street tires, for 88k which come from tuner(big $$$mark-up) 11.5 with a manual six speed!!


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No doubt that is one smoking fast truck. No arguments from anyone here I'm sure.


It's just funny how some people think that todays diesels are the same as they were 10-20 years ago. In the last 5 years diesels have improved leaps and bounds. You'd have to be an idiot to deny their potential.

BMDMAX runs 12.3 on a 2wd duramax.


Hoss from TDR runs 11.80 at 119mph with a 2WD 98 Cummins


Joe Hellman went 10.97 @ 130 (85,000 miles on that Cummins)


There is more but my point is proven.



All but one are slower and no mention of cost or mods to get there
either plus or if slicks are used. Go for the 1000 HP V10 mod and
it waxes all of the above easily. The Dodge truck (and I have no
love for Dodges) is a fully street legal machine too and the only thing
on it that smokes is the tires too. No of the above would be any match
top end (even a stock 8.1 could beat a Dmax in top speed with
stock gears and limiter removed from ECM) or rolling start with even
the 800 hp model as the 900 ftlb of torque or more over a 500 to 700
RPM range with a oil burner cannot compete long with 800ftlbs plus over
a 3000 RPM + range in a blown gasser.

It was the trail blazer right?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


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Actually it was a Jimmy. My mistake. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

BMDMAX runs 12.3 on a 2wd duramax.


Hoss from TDR runs 11.80 at 119mph with a 2WD 98 Cummins


Joe Hellman went 10.97 @ 130 (85,000 miles on that Cummins)


There is more but my point is proven.





Slicks or street tires??? Looks like that done on street tires, for 88k which come from tuner(big $$$mark-up) 11.5 with a manual six speed!!


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The power is being made. What difference does it make what tires you are running. Obviously that d***e is running street tires and most guys that street race will run street tires. At least I would think....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

Maybe when they become choice engines for NHRA teams and SCCA teams and World Rally Cup teams, and Actually become a high performance engine, then only then will a common rail diesels become respected as a high performance engine, not just a short burst wonder.


In most forums of racing you don't have time to build boost, keep shifting gears all time(due to keeping the turbo lit and shorter powerband), Nor can you let the motor get under turbo, you need to be accellerating and gone. And be on and off the throttle, all power available.



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Do not bet on it as the "tires" can make all the difference in the
world. I know of more than a few that change tires on the strip. Over
30 years ago a friend of mine had a 421 tri Power GTO that could hardly
get out of its way with street tires if you goosed it (you were lucky
to get in the mid 14's with it) yet it would run easliy run in the 12's
when you bolted a pair of slicks on it. Tires will make or break you
with a hi powered 2wd car/truck in a quarter mile.

BMDMAX runs 12.3 on a 2wd duramax.


Hoss from TDR runs 11.80 at 119mph with a 2WD 98 Cummins


Joe Hellman went 10.97 @ 130 (85,000 miles on that Cummins)


There is more but my point is proven.




All but one are slower and no mention of cost or mods to get there either plus or if slicks are used. Go for the 1000 HP V10 mod and it waxes all of the above easily. The Dodge truck (and I have no love for Dodges) is a fully street legal machine too and the only thing on it that smokes is the tires too. No of the above would be any match top end (even a stock 8.1 could beat a Dmax in top speed with stock gears and limiter removed from ECM) or rolling start with even the 800 hp model as the 900 ftlb of torque or more over a 500 to 700 RPM range with a oil burner cannot compete long with 800ftlbs plus over a 3000 RPM + range in a blown gasser.



All it would take is another gear and any of the above could run 150mph.


You are starting with a truck that is designed to tow and making it in to an 11 sec truck. What do you expect?


How does that Dodge truck handle a 12,000lbs fiver with 3000lbs tongue weight?

Dont think anybody ever said diesels were high performance engins.


Edit: I was talking about MP's comment about cold starting when I made reference to the trail blazer.Edited by: ratlover

snoman = Diesel Addict


Stop trying to deny it. It says so right under your name. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

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All it would take is another gear and any of the above could run 150mph.


You are starting with a truck that is designed to tow and making it in to an 11 sec truck. What do you expect?


How does that Dodge truck handle a 12,000lbs fiver with 3000lbs tongue weight?



You do not need the extra gear with the gasser (stock trannies). YOu
really need taller axle ratios with aoil burner to get a lot more top
speed whcih will destroy 1/4 mile times too. You will not tow
with a oil burner running at 6 or 700 hp level long as it will shell
out for sure so what is your point??? The ONLY edge you have is
fuel consumption (but it sucks on a oil burner too at high power
levels) ANY amount of HP you get out of a diesel in a pickup, you can
exceed it with a gasser hands down. The only limit here is your
pocketbook. Also a "gasser" still hold the land speed record for a rear
wheel drive car with a internal combustion engine of 409mph set in
1965. No diesel has been even close to it to this day.

First all trailblazer's never had a 4.3(which was a V6)they have a 4.2 inline 6.


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First all trailblazer's never had a 4.3(which was a V6)they have a 4.2 inline 6.


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As I said above it is actually a Jimmy not a blazer or trail blazer. I am stuck in the days when they were both the same and I called both a Blazer http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


I don't care if the diesel can do all of the above or non of the above. I don't need your nod. My diesel fills MY needs and that is why I drive one. I also own gassers and have nothing against them.


All I'm trying to say is that you naive to think that diesels are not contenders. Why you guys feel the need to shoot them down constantly on a diesel site named "Diesel Place" is beyond me.


You have me convinced, we are all stupid. I am going to sell my diesels and buy gassers. (I guess my fiancee won't get 60mpg anymore on her daily 60 mile commute) I will spread the word. Diesels are good for nothing.

Sorry, a regular blazer(actually it was a Jimmy) not a Trail blazer.


You can watch my "short burst wonder" at the track or on the street anytime. No my truck will not maintain 900 hp and 1200lb feet of torque(those numbers dont come any were close to jiving but what ever either hp would be way down or torque would be way up) but care to line my truck up against yours in the event of your chosing? Not when you finally add what ever mods you plan to do 3 years from but now. Right now. If I eventually get my Chevelle on the road it will be stupid fast but its still sitting. You seem very bent outa shape about something with alot to prove or something. Settle down and take a chill. Everything has its place. Nothing wins at every event. Anything can be twisted so it is a winner or loser. Just do your thing and be happy.


Big blocks rulehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif but even a BBC will get its ass handed to it in more events racing wise than it wins if you want to twist things and look at what is actually out there doing what. As much as I love the sound of my straight piped Duramax and love my truck win or lose nothing sounds better or gives me a bigger chubby than a wicked rathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif Edited by: ratlover

No I will not line-up against your truck. I do not have near dollar amount stuck- into yours, that I do mine. I am just a lowy machinist, so mods have to be bugdeted in a time frame, also hence the idea for my high performance buisness, for the working man.


Also why does dieselplace.com have a gasser section? Then Diesel heads come in here a cock off. I don't go into Dmax section, cock off about how great my gasser is.


The reason I get bent of shape, is when people tell that all the sudden gassers can't make power that diesels is the only way to make big power, thats how it comes across to me. Then try telling me that diesel's can accellerate at same rate or better than it's gas equal. Just NOT go to happen. EVER Here good one that I argued, some how a turbo diesel motor is cheaper than a turbo gasser!! They both have turbos.


Granted you guys have been spot on about pulling setups, and drag racing setups. And I thank you for that. But Don't try tell me that diesel is going to keep pace with a twin turbo V10. Thats like saying your dmax can smoke F1's Micheal S. and his ferriar(sp).


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No I will not line-up against your truck. I
do not have near dollar amount stuck- into yours, that I do
mine. I am just a lowy machinist, so mods have to be bugdeted in
a time frame, also hence the idea for my high performance buisness, for
the working man.



Just race him top speed as all the "juice" in the world will not get
the Dmax much above 3100RPM were your gasser is just starting to flex
it muscules...

ON second thought, I will race you, one of my buddies has some good swamp land. I'll agree to line em up there. In june it took me 20 minutes of full throttle to keep forward movement and get out. I thought I was going to kill the motor, but if you stop the truck starts sinking!!!(ever so slowly by the I came back with the tractor front wheels were gone, the one time I buired it)
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No I will not line-up against your truck. I do not have near dollar amount stuck- into yours, that I do mine. I am just a lowy machinist, so mods have to be bugdeted in a time frame, also hence the idea for my high performance buisness, for the working man.




Just race him top speed as all the "juice" in the world will not get the Dmax much above 3100RPM were your gasser is just starting to flex it muscules...



Actually the rev limiter can be increased. Some are running over 4000rpm.


I love the power of a gas motor as well. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. 8100 hammer, I love what you are doing with your truck. If I had all kinda of money and time I'd probably build up and 8.1 as well just to see what i can do. You have to give credit where credit is due and both sides of the fence deserve credit.


snoman, what do you drive anyways? Edited by: Max Power

Beings I am in needing of tires I'll go for another set of swampers next time. Mud is all about traction and tires as long as you have enough nuts to keep em spinning(the lighter weight helps too). Regardless we would have some funhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I have a 1500$ program on my truck and a bit under 2500$ in the mods I did to my trans to keep up with the power of the new program. Not a whole lota cabbage compared to some guys and I dont have money coming out my ears so it was a good sized hit for me. I did have a juice box that is sitting now that i have the new program.


I didnt "come in to this post" ready to bash and laugh at gassers and laugh about how slow they are. News flash 11 seconds may be fast for a 6500# truck and may supprise and embarass quite a few people on the street that think they are bad in thier 13 second rides but its still not fast. I came in here cuz i figured there would be a post about some cool car or truck on new motor or something like that but instead suprise suprise snowflake's post is all a way to bait and get a rise outa people. You just seemed to be apart of the diesel hating bandwagon and wanting to stir the pot. If thats not case then I'm sorry. If you are just trying to stir the pot then quite yer whining about no money or what ever ricer-ish excuse you want to use and show me what you can do with your truck now. Like I said maybe I have missunderstood your intent? I poped into the 8.1 thread becasue i am interested in how much the 8.1 can take but it seemed to quickly turn into a gasser vrs diesel pissing match. Do what you want to do and be happy man. Dont get so worked up.

Years ago I used to help a friend race a small block powered drag car
that ran alchol with mechanical fuel injection an it ran in the 10's.
Did not have a bit of trouble with the modified THM400 with a 5000 RPM
stall in it in a few seasons of use and lost a engine to over reving
once because he did not belive in rev limiters. It pulled like a bat
out of H up until it came apart at about 8500rpm best we could tell
which is a lot of RPMs for a 350 crank in a 400 block. Twisted the
axles in a narrowed D60 too in it. Car weighted about 3100 lbs
without a driver.

I am so overwhelmed by your manly talk.........................

Years ago I used to help a friend race a small block powered drag car that ran alchol with mechanical fuel injection an it ran in the 10's. Did not have a bit of trouble with the modified THM400 with a 5000 RPM stall in it in a few seasons of use and lost a engine to over reving once because he did not belive in rev limiters. It pulled like a bat out of H up until it came apart at about 8500rpm best we could tell which is a lot of RPMs for a 350 crank in a 400 block. Twisted the axles in a narrowed D60 too in it. Car weighted about 3100 lbs without a driver.



lmao it goes from gas trucks vs diesel trucks now its diesel trucks vs drag cars weighing half the weight with 350's.


just like the post with his 197? 550 kawasucki out running 2004 700's.

FYI, the Kaw 550 Interceptor sled made until 1983 could turn a 11 sec
quarter mile at about 120 MPH STOCK with only a added studded track on
a fairly hard snow/ice surface. (it would toast a tricked up Dmax in a
quarter and it had a specail tuned and loop charged water cooled 550 2
stroke motor with 2 plugs per cylinder that just plain SCREAMED!!) You
really are clueless about old Hi Preformance sleds, just
like high power "gasser" engines too I guess.
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McRat: far as swamper tires go, I don't think they make tires wide enough to keep an hd afloat in the mud. This is why I have semi-retired the HD from mudding, just does not float on mud. No matter how fast the tires are spinning. The truck actually sinks faster the faster you spin the tires. PLus the HD give the half-tons that I go mudding with a tough time trying to yank me out when I get stuck, but is funny to watch their truck get slapped around by mine sitting still, or moving about 6 inches per yank.


I am not part of diesel hating bandwagon, Just don't like when Something getting mention about a gasser making power, diesel heads chime-in their diesel talk. They just can't a decent comment, and this happens on most gasser related to hp productions or mpg threads. If you look there were eight diesel heads posts before mine. The first 2 posts were, not even close to making nonconfrontational remark. I like diesels, but took gm long time to build a decent one. Notice how I don't go into dmax threads, start touting gasser greatness. Also notice how I when one of you diesel head's whopps up at a truck pull and drag racing I am right there with "Chevy Power" I hardly call that stiring the pot. No I am not complaining about money, my wife does enough of that for me. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I'll give credit were credit due whens it about the thread. A brand new truck, with a 8.3 twin turbo V10 with a 2 year warrenty, twins all install with related hardware, plus tuned for you. granted 88k is steep, but is for sale from a high-end tuner/builder. Just like when buy nike shoes. they cost more then your walmart brands.



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I am so overwhelmed by your manly talk.........................





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Curtis, Friends always ask me why I dont wheel my truck like I did the others. Always tell em 1 I like me sheet metal 2 I dont want to take my truck with a boat anchor of a motor into deep goo. Sounds like your bud has a hell of a bog. Like i said, regardless we would have some funhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Well as long as the none of the old tried and true take a dude out to the sticks and tell him to go first and take off for a bit after he gets burried and let him sweat till you come back. Not that I have ever done such a thing.


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Yep Know what you mean about, saving body panels. There still all straight and shiny, but the fire under the truck had me worried, needless to say 8 hours later with a tow from IH tractor and backhoe, She was under her own power again. Couldn't shift from park to drive in the cab. had set e-brake go under truck grab shift arm, put into drive, and get back in a drive home in limp mode(3rd gear). That day was rough.


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I would love to see some pulling between juiced diesels and hopped up
gassers. I used to pull 4x4's over 20 years ago and we had some wild
gasser back then to run against and did they sound sweet wound up
pulling too!

hmmmm......big trucks, drag racing.....I duno, may have to twist my armhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

FYI, the Kaw 550 Interceptor sled made until 1983 could turn a 11 sec quarter mile at about 120 MPH STOCK with only a added studded track on a fairly hard snow/ice surface. (it would toast a tricked up Dmax in a quarter and it had a specail tuned and loop charged water cooled 550 2 stroke motor with 2 plugs per cylinder that just plain SCREAMED!!) You really are clueless about old Hi Preformance sleds, just like high power "gasser" engines too I guess.


as i said before if they where so great where are they now? how come the other big companies didnt odopt their engine disign? since 120 mph on a sled back then was only a deam. where are they now? i got a 2002 zr 800 with a clutch kit that barly runs 105 in 1000 feet.


i find it hard to believe that the big 4 comapnies wouldnt change something to complete or take over the kawi set up seeming that it is the sled to have even in 2004. why would the big 4 just get walked on and still only have all small sleds in their line up.


theirs nothing wrong with hi performance gassers its the stock ones that every one thinks are great. not dissing any one as it is expensive to work on these new trucks but a hi performace gasser is nothing to hourse around with. but when was the last time you saw a gas truck pull up to a 1/4 mile track race their run low 12's high 11's not even touch the hood go to a truck pull and place high in the ranks and then go pick up kids at the daycare? and when its all done they didnt even open the hood or change tires.


i would love to have a hiperformace chevy ss with all the bells and whissles but i need a work truck that will get me 20 mpg and haul a bunch of stuff. a ss wont do that. but would it be cool? ya deffinetly. would it get horriable gas mileage yes would is sounds awsome? yes. if i had an extra 60g's laying around i would have one. but i dont and thats that. i got no dought that a hi performance gasser will out race a diesel. but will that gasser be the tow truck on the way home or the one being towed? either way it isnt bad but i would rather tow a vehical their race both and tow it home. just my preferance.

Kawaski bought out SnoJetwhich had been making sleds since the 60's in
1977 with the goal of having a sled for sale with Kaw name in
1978. Kaw spared no expense in developement and gave US a blank
check for developement. The Kaw sleds drive units and gear/chain cases
were way ahead of there time compared to the other brands out there. I
know I have 3 of them and they are built like anvils and mostly
aluminum were possible and the gear/chaincase is a wonderfull pieces of
engineering and Aluminum casting way over built too. (Articats of that
era used cheap pressed steel cases) During all this time they keep
running up the developement costs and debt and passing it on to Japan.
It came to a head in early 83 when sled sales for everyone had slumped
and there was no light at the end of the tunnel is site. The Kaw board
in Japan looked at the amased debt and the likely hood of recovering it
in current marketing conditions and with a quick vote killed the
project off completely. I have seen some old magazines with test
on the Interseptor and they were very "bad" sleds. They did not handle
or ride the best but were the closest thing to a missle on skis.
Only about 800 Interseptors were ever built thought the engine parts
were interchangeable with sleds the had 440 liquid cooled engines in
them to make them 550's as well. Kaw goal for the few year the
Interseptor was out was to have the fastest sled made and they met that
goal easily until 1983. I often would were sled would be today if Kaw
had stayed in them as they were in the process of deploying indepedant
trailing arm front suspensions at the time to went out of bussiness and
this was many year ahead of the other major sled makers. Today a
Interseptor is like a a old 427 vette or Hemi cuda for if you know the
history of them you know they are fast without even running them .

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i know plenty about the older american muscle cars. i got a 1969 firebird with a 403 3 speed tranny completly rebuilt. every nut and bolt. the only thing original is the frame and seat frames thats it. i even got a original 1969 pontiac firebird radio. since you like to live in the past snoman you should know that a 1969 poniace firebird radio is ablout the hardst thing to find in old cars and can cost up to as much as $2500 for a unfinished one. i bet you also know that pontiac offered a engine in 1969 that had a very rare package. it included bigger heads bigger intake and bigger carb. all this added stuff makes about 400 hp compaired to their 325 hp 403 or their 350 hp 403.

I don't think the 403 was around in '69...more like '77 to '79 as a Pontiac/Buick/Oldsmobile engine.


I think the Ram Air IV 400 made about 370 horsepower in the GTO and 345 in the Firebird, gross power--not the same as 370 today, but less.


Firebirds and Camaros didn't have frames. They were partial unibodies with subframes. It was thought that the partial unibody construction would lend rigidity, but in reality when you start laying serious power down a full frame or at least subframe connectors would add much needed help in the rigidity area. Twisting bodies break windshields, but I digress...........


Nice cars...

yamahagrizzly = has NO know-about today's gassers(meaning 21th century).


Go ask Parish8 on ls1tech.com, recently(last weekend) put down 628hp and 680tq at wheels(dyno with no nitrous). On a stock 6.0 with a CMS turbo kit. He drives this truck to events and street races, and around town. And by stock I mean, stock crank, rods, pistons, block, and heads(think). On the bottle run high 10's. He has about $28-30k including the purchase price of the truck and all mods. Currently gets 15 mpg cruise highway, maybe better. He is kinda like the Mtomac of LS1-based trucks


Plus just got done watchin the dyno video of last weekend, and wow. Give me a moument. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif wow!!! His vids are so cool, and well put to together.

I don't think the 403 was around in '69...more like '77 to '79 as a Pontiac/Buick/Oldsmobile engine.


I think the Ram Air IV 400 made about 370 horsepower in the GTO and 345 in the Firebird, gross power--not the same as 370 today, but less.


Firebirds and Camaros didn't have frames. They were partial
unibodies with subframes. It was thought that the partial unibody
construction would lend rigidity, but in reality when you start laying
serious power down a full frame or at least subframe connectors would
add much needed help in the rigidity area. Twisting bodies break
windshields, but I digress...........


Nice cars...



Back then some of those ratings were conservative and some of todays
are a bit over generous. THe old Pontiac 421 Tri Power made a lot more
power than it was rated at and so did the 68 Z-28 which was rated low
on papaer for insurance reasons.

i have no dought that a gasser truck wil run 10's but what i am trying to say is will this truck tow a 12,000 pound trailer? like i said it would be awsome to have a 10 second truck. but i would rather have my hd first.


also snoman i think you are thinking of the chevy 302. on paper it said something like 250 hp but it really had something like 500 hp. i will get you web sites with "facts" of the 302.


yes they did make a 403 in 1969. they just called it a 400.


also the way they rated hp way back when is totally differnt than today i agree.


also about the sub frames and stuff yes that is true one of our fire birds have allot of frame damage and needs allot of work done and needs allot of custom sheet metal done because of the crack spots on the roof

i have no dought that a gasser truck wil run
10's but what i am trying to say is will this truck tow a 12,000
pound trailer? like i said it would be awsome to have a 10 second
truck. but i would rather have my hd first.


also snoman i think you are thinking of the chevy 302. on paper it
said something like 250 hp but it really had something like 500 hp. i
will get you web sites with "facts" of the 302.


yes they did make a 403 in 1969. they just called it a 400.


also the way they rated hp way back when is totally differnt than today i agree.


also about the sub frames and stuff yes that is true one of our fire
birds have allot of frame damage and needs allot of work done and needs
allot of custom sheet metal done because of the crack spots on the roof



My son has a couple of classice 60's car books and the Z28 was rated at
290 HP and 290ftlbs for insurance reasons, and I also remebr when
they were new (I was in high school)



Actually Chevy made a 402, it was a 396 overbored from factory to get up to magic 400 CID number.



On towing, yes a 800 HP gasser truck is not a ideal tow vehcial for a
12,000lb trailer but neither is a oil burner D-max at towing at that
actual power level because it will melt down. I have towed 12k
and bigger trailers in years past (my heaviest was about 22k for grain
hauling) and I somehow "managed" with gas power too. Not knocking
diesels but to claim that you cannot haul a load without one is kinda
silly. With the right gears a gasser will move awfull lot of weight
too, it just needs deeper gear because its power comes one at higher
RPMs than a diesel

see thats where people get too touchy. no one ever said a gasser couldnt do it. hell anything with deep anough gears will move any thing but our point is its more convinent(sp) like gas mileage and stuff. and the fact they they will last longer because they got power at a lower rpm so theirs no need to rev the hell out of them.





also my engine is a pontiac 403 not a chevy. back then pontiac had their own line of engines and such. they where accually a step up from the camaros.





hears one place saying the 302 had close to 400 hp


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see thats where people get too touchy. no one
ever said a gasser couldnt do it. hell anything with deep anough gears
will move any thing but our point is its more convinent(sp) like gas
mileage and stuff. and the fact they they will last longer because they
got power at a lower rpm so theirs no need to rev the hell out of them.





also my engine is a pontiac 403 not a chevy. back then pontiac had
their own line of engines and such. they where accually a step up from
the camaros.





hears one place saying the 302 had close to 400 hp


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Sorry on the 403, yes Pontiac did have one, they had a 301 too. I
heard actual HP rating of the stock 302 Z28 from 350 to 400HP and the
Hi Pro option with a factory dual four barrel tunnel ram going well
over 400HP. I actual have seen the dual carb one when new on one car
locally. It even idled worse yet and was more gutless at low speeds
than the single carb one and did not really light until about 5000 RPM
with your foot in it where as the single carb one lite at about 4000
RPM WOT but the dual carb one was a terror to about 8000 grand or so
and I do not think the torque even peaked on that one until above 6000
or so.

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301 was a turd.


Generally, <st1:City><st1:place>Detroit</st1:place></st1:City> did not "under rate" power until the early 70's. Those cars were nice and fairly quick but low tech, gas guzzling, emitting anywhere from ten to twenty times more pollutants. Yeah there is no substitution for cubic inches, but comparing one era to another today’s cars (modern day muscle cars) are just as fast if not faster in the quarter, faster on the top end, and get better economy...and today's car don't have mechanical lifters. Most of those 60's and 70's muscle cars could not put up the numbers of the last generation camaros with generally smaller engines. Granted some of those numbers from way back when were under-rated however that so-called 400 horsepower 302 would be no match for a 400 horsepower LS2 in the same engine bay.


IMO, a car with the body of a '69 firechicken or a '69 Z28 equipped with today's modern suspension and drivetrain technology would be just the ticket. Ultimately that would be what the general public would buy.


Not wanting to start a pissing match...just a few comments from the peanuts gallery as I could not let that 403=400 thing slide. An engine swap is conceivable but why anyone would put a 403 in a first generation is beyond me. The 326, 350, 389, 400, 421, 428, and 455 Pontiacs are drop-ins.


That's the memo..

I guess the over the road trucks better be told there trucks will melt down if towing any thing heavy. Trains better watch out as well. How about the military. They might need to be enlightened as well. I tow 18,000 all the time. Guess now one told my truck it was suppossed to melt down. My truck only uses what power in needs to tow the weight I subject to it. How ever it is nice to blast around slower traffic when needed with that weight. False information is not fitting. Ever wonder why they use diesels in heavy duty applications like the Trucking industry, Military, Rail car and Fright applications, Shipping industry. I use gassers as well, but for there applications, and I'm not going to mislead people into a false sense of being. I can tow all day long, go up to the track up here (6000ft elevation), click off a 11.5 1/4 all day long in a 8000lbs truck, then go pick up the kids, put the camper on and go cross county for a vacation. The truck constaintly gets 17-18.5 in the city (heavy foot some times) and 12-14 towing 18,000 at freeway speeds. If I go easy like 60-65 (boring) it nets me 20-21 with out towing any thing. Then I can run over to the dyno shop and click off an 780-800hp run. No burnt up motor here. Just alot of fun in what I think is the ultimate in a driving vehicle. Welcome to the new millenium. &n bsp;Edited by: Super Diesel

OTR trucks are not trying to get 600HP or more out of a 400 CU engine
nor are they running 30 to 40lbs of boost and more to do it either. Put
a D-max in a semi and it would not last the day nor move it very well
either. You need a reality check here. Also when I lived at above
6000 ft, it also got below minus 40 in winter and NOBODY drove diesel
pickup in the winter there when it was cold, they parked them. Take one
out in that weather (if you can get it started) and have the fuel gell
or wax and you are SCREWED. My neighbor out there drove a OTR truck and
he had heated fuel tanks, fuel lines and filter on his truck and he
NEVER shut it off when he came home for a day or two because if he did
he would not get it restarted until in warmed up outside.

The reality check is all yours. You misinform good folks looking for answers. I LIVE in the winter hear and I will asure you I CAN start my wheels at those temps. The 70s are long gone. In the coldest temps I do add an additve for insurance. Most folk stay indoors when it gets that cold any way. Lots of gassers running around here with block heaters as well. I have had to jump start many gassers up here during the winter months. Never have had to jump start a diesel, and there is lots of them around here. Better tell the folks in Alaska, there in for some trouble. You constaintly give misleading info on these subjects. I'm not sure if it is to get a rise out of people and self satisfaction or what. Gassers are great vehicles these days, we have a viable altenative as well. Folks should be corectly informed as to the state our vehicles are in THIS day in age. Do you think diesels are quickly gaining in populaity these days because of a big lie? If you think so, just sit back and enjoy your world and be left behind in a reality that is slipping away. Diesels are here to stay and will continue to get stronger, ceaner, and even more efficient. Or you can keep misinforming folks and time will weed you out as to your true state of mind. Denial isn't JUST a river in Egypt.

No it is yours. I doubt you have ever been in minus 40 or colder nor
tried to start your oil burner at minus 10 or 20 WITHOUT HEAT after it
is cold soaked. Yes folks do need to be informed that while
diesels do have some nice features and strong points they are not the
big solution nor without their weakness too and that they not cheaper
to own long term unless you can get a few hundered K miles out of them
without any breakdowns out of warranty. Hey tell you what, Mack, Cat
and Cummins has it all wrong huh? They should just scrape all their
big low boost 12 liter or bigger OTR engines and then all the
compaines that make OTR tractors can just get buy 6.6 D-max's and have
you over boost and tweak them because they will pull as hard and last
as long as the big engines. You are very bizzar indeed.

Yes, you most cerainly are a bizzar person. Never said nothin about putting a dmax in a over the road truck (or the other falacys you spuew). Been reading long have we? Never said they didn't have weak points either. Just stating my experiences thus far in cold and in the world of power making. OBVIOUSLY your knowledge of the diesels is extremly limited and shallow. Let me guess, the one you had was a 1970s something. Now, back to planet Earth. You CAN start diesels in those temps no matter what some clowns say (I already have for many years now, read fuel addatives). Just bacuse the world is leaving them behind doesn't mean they have to spue false info to every one else looking for ACCURATE info. Some times it is better to leave the 70s-80s in the past and move forward instead of head butting the inevitable. We are lucky enough to have the wonderful vehicles we have to day through modern tech., be it gasoline or diesel. Make no mistake, the diesels are not what they use to be (unknown area to some). The fact of the matter is if they were that unreliable in the cold, why are they used by Yellowstone parks for tours and officials to run around in the winter months? If you don't belive me, check it out, PLEASE! I apoligize to all for the head butting and misinfo some are giving out, but it is a free country for some to spuew there limited thought veiws that are trying despratly to hold on to a world that has changed and they refuse to accept this. Like I said, welcome to the new millenium. Edited by: Super Diesel

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No it is yours. I doubt you have ever been in minus 40 or colder nor tried to start your oil burner at minus 10 or 20 WITHOUT HEAT after it is cold soaked.


I have started my truck several times at -40 and many, many, many, many times -20 to -30. Never a problem. And I am talking not plugged in, and 'cold soaked' as you put it. I live in Manitoba. 50 miles from Winnipeg, otherwise referred to as 'Winterpeg'. Edited by: Max Power

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No it is yours. I doubt you have
ever been in minus 40 or colder nor tried to start your oil burner at
minus 10 or 20 WITHOUT HEAT after it is cold soaked.


I have started my truck several times at -40 and many, many, many,
many times -20 to -30. Never a problem. And I am talking
not plugged in, and 'cold soaked' as you put it. I live in
Manitoba. 50 miles from Winnipeg, otherwise referred to as
'Winterpeg'.



I serous doubt this because I have been around and started enough
diesels to know that after zero , a lot do not start without heat or
ether and 20 to 30 below and more it is a lost cause trying to light
one without heat. Last year I went to a few dealers to try to
start a few diesel trucks at zero to see how they do with current model
and the D-max did not want to start at just zero. It took several
minutes and several tries to get it lite and it ran very poorly and
ruff for several minutes afterward. Surprizingly the new Dodge
Cummins lit fairly easy (for a diesel) and ran smooth once lit. But, I
can "lite" my gasser in but a few seconds at 20 or 30 below with no
heat and drive of right away if need be too whether it has set for 8
hours or 8 days at those temps. WHen I lived in Montana I used to heat
my gassers a sometimes but it was more to get hea out of them quickly
(I used double block heaters on a timer) than it was for them to be
able to start. Coldest weather I have been in a minus 50 and 7000 ft,
the altitude where I lived for a while.

SD,gets frustrating huh??....you will soon learn as I did to just ignore what he spews...all his experience with the "new" generation of smoke blowers is one or two days a year....ha, my 2.5 y/o nephew has started a dmax more than him.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


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8.1 GASSER http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif. Snoman, so calling Max P a lier EH? Small minds for small people. You must understand, I never said there was anything wrong with gas engines. I have one sitting in my drive right now as well as my diesel. I push my diesel hard and have had to use it on occasion when I went to far (I experiment on it as well as being my daily driver). You must also remember I am doing this on a STOCK diesel engine. Not special built internals, not purpose built, or any thing. Just a program and some extra juices being squeezed in. Then I can go down and have my emissions done and it passes with flying colors (after I turn off some switches). This is AMAZING to get this kind of power out of a stock engine. Stock turbo, stock injects, and every thing else is stock inside a well. Not one bolt has been removed from even the valve cover that didn't come factory. Wear not taking just this power at the crank either. This is AFTER it gets through the trans at about a 20% power loss. This is a major leap in the right direction I think. And the fact remains, most place you can plug a block heater in if you ever DO have to start a diesel in -40 temps. Most folks are in side at that temp any way if they have a gasser or diesel. Better check with Yellow Stone Park winter tours though. Absolutely breathtaking in the winter!

I can only speak from experience. My duramax is a daily driver. I am not worried about cold starting. My new LLY is supposed to be even better. So far I have never even seen the glow plugs come on for more then 1/2 second. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif It looks like technology is on my side.


0 is a joke with these trucks. At 0 it will start like it is a warm summer day except for the glow plug delay. And yes I am talking about Fahrenheit.


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Sunny day my butt, I have started them and a oil burner at zero starts
nothing like a gasser nor does it start like summer unless you keep it
plug into the wall when not running and run that bill up to do it.
.

geez you're clueless............


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All I can say is come up to Canada and I'll show you. I really don't care what you believe or think. I just don't want you misinforming people. Like I said, it is my daily driver. I am speaking from first hand experience. You are speaking out of your hatred for diesels. 'nuff said.

No,I do not need to because I know diesels even though I do not own one I have
worked with several and seen some drivers in dead ones in winter. You do
not start one quickly in very cold weather (or at all if it is cold
enough) without it being plugged in. A gasser will start without heat long
after a Diesel gives up and with heat as well because diesel fuel will
wax and gel before gasoline will when it is seriously cold. Next thing
you know you will be telling us you use diesel powered snomobiles up
there and they start first pull.
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Give it up Slowman. You are living on yesterdays news. You have been left behind technologically and mentally. If you wish to give people information, make sure it is something you actually know about, not bad info from the 70s like the BS snowmobile story. I have been riding them sinse the early 70s and still do today. I know what a modern sled will do to something from the 70s and 80s of equal displacement, and it wouldn't be pretty. Maybe you just need to regear. Thank goodness for moderization. Can I take my hip waders off now?

SD why are on to snowmoibles?, in this arena you are seriously out gun. Just sold my 1980 arctic cat Eltiger 6000, have yet to find a sled that will handle like on the trails. yes its leaf spring front, but nothing carves better than that sled, plus the track was 114" track, so the sled rotates very well. Granted the sled was not the most comfortable sled to ride, but when of my buddies need a whipping, and ZR is not up to the task, the 80 eltiger getsmm everytime. I learned just because it looks old and has old tech inside, it still can bite you and perform. PLus sleds of that day were tons lighter for their CC's


Spec for my 80


530 LC ported and ploished, twin tune pipe, single rings, appx hp 95+ wieght was 374lbs with half of gas, '86 rear susp.


550 ZL 88hp, 515 lbs. dry


Which one would have more get up and go??


SD, also I think you have bigger problems than diesel gasser wars, Big BAD Dodge ring bell. He need to be taken out.



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Give it up Slowman. You are living on yesterdays
news. You have been left behind technologically and mentally. If
you wish to give people information, make sure it is something you
actually know about, not bad info from the 70s like the BS snowmobile
story. I have been riding them sinse the early 70s and still do today.
I know what a modern sled will do to something from the 70s and
80s of equal displacement, and it wouldn't be pretty. Maybe you
just need to regear. Thank goodness for moderization. Can I take
my hip waders off now?



I have been riding since the 70's too so what as you still do not know
what you are talking about when it comes to a Interseptor!!
I have seen a lot of evolution in sleds myself too but none had the raw
power to wieght ratio of the old Interseptor. The "hammer" brought up a
good point about some of the handling of older sleds. All my Kaws have
leafs up front, a low CG and big wide smooth belly pans that push
through deep snow better and cleaner than most modern sleds.
Also. there is NO WAY any modern 550 or 650 would even come close to a
old Kaw 550 Interseptor (and there are few productions sleds, if
any today that could take it on a quarter mile even today)
Technology has nothing to do with this because back then it was raw
power first, creature comforts second unlike today.

AAAAAnd back to planet Earth once again. You two stick to your worldhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif, I'll stick with mine. Big Bad Dodge (Scott Vorhees) is one stand up guy. I would like to shake his hand for what he is doing in the world of diesels. Since your so interested in getting volunteers, why don't YOU take him out. Surely he is no match for a gasser. His is a diesel, it will probably burn up any way (like you two say). (I will keep my waders on for now I guess) Edited by: Super Diesel

Now I understand this guys problem, he likes Dodges too, no wonder he says what he does.

Why is it everything you say you think is right, And anybody that has different REAL life Experinences is wrong? Why?


I currently have a 1996 ZRT 600 that will take out any Firecat F6. But then again according to you if its not latest and greatest thing on the market, it some how slow.


How long can your 800hp diesel run at full throttle at 800 hp again with no additives?????
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I remember my neighbor in the late 70's had a early model Eltiger. It
was a quick sled in its day. I used to race hime on a course through my
woods in a old panther. As long as I kept the straight aways short I
could stay ahead of him and beat him as his smooth track could not hook
up at low speeds like my cleated one could but above 40 mph or so the
game was all his and he took off and left me.

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(right now $2.50 to 3.50/gallon for b100)


Okay sorry that was a jab.


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Minnesota, huh??? the F7 could always use another playmate....


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Judas priest, we go from serious gas truck power to hot rod
snowmobiles??? What are we going to bitch about next??? high
speed basket weaving???

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Connecticut huh, last I check they weren't next to each other.


SD: Anyways no hard feelings, just-talking smack for now. Until I can lay the smack down. But towmorrow heading to the drag strip for some racing. Got to go kill a 99 powerpuke, which happens to be a guy that I work with. should be fun. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


8.1 Gasser- Killer Cat, you have the hole shot on me and top end too, but in the powder, while your digging trenchs, I am carveing powder on the top. F7 are just to quick out of the hole for me. their are now quicker yet with the new ACT Drive system. I wish had money for a 04 ZR 900 with ZR 600 decals hehe. But the HD comes first right after the wife and kids. Very nice F7 though.




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Hammer...not too much of the steep and deep out east...if there was I'd already have a M-series. She floats pretty good on 2-4 feet of pow anything over that and your working.


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SD why are on to snowmoibles?, in this arena you are seriously out gun. Just sold my 1980 arctic cat Eltiger 6000, have yet to find a sled that will handle like on the trails. yes its leaf spring front, but nothing carves better than that sled, plus the track was 114" track, so the sled rotates very well. Granted the sled was not the most comfortable sled to ride, but when of my buddies need a whipping, and ZR is not up to the task, the 80 eltiger getsmm everytime. I learned just because it looks old and has old tech inside, it still can bite you and perform. PLus sleds of that day were tons lighter for their CC's


Spec for my 80


530 LC ported and ploished, twin tune pipe, single rings, appx hp 95+ wieght was 374lbs with half of gas, '86 rear susp.


550 ZL 88hp, 515 lbs. dry


Which one would have more get up and go??


SD, also I think you have bigger problems than diesel gasser wars, Big BAD Dodge ring bell. He need to be taken out.


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i will put my zr 800 up against any 1970-1980's sleds. stock for stock. lets do a track race. lets see how good your sleds do. then lets line them up. then lets go back and tell every one the real world has finally hit you guys. seriously nothing against you 2 personally but stop with the bs. c'mon do you really think that snowmobiles are going backwards in technology?


when artic cat started the fire cat project they disigned a sled with every front suspention inmaginable. nothing compairs to the newer suspention of artic cat. also anything modified will beat something stock but go stock to stock and you will get your ass handed to you.


ive seen it many of times. hell that new artic car 660 turbo with a 315 pound guy ran 89 mph in 1000 feet. tell me that isnt something.


also the zr chassis was the best handleing chassis in the sno cross history. they replaced it because they needed something better.


i seriously think you guys should stop with the 1970's snomobile bs. ive said it many of times if they where that great where are they now? and how come no one followed up on them? and why doesnt anybody go back to them? its simple they arnt as good. thats that.


back to trucks


facts are facts ok so if diesels suck why so all and i mean all ort have them? why? answer 1 they will last longer and get much better fuel milage


why are they in pick ups because they last longer get better fuel milage and all that bs


gassers rev higher they can go faster. alright?


who cares about oh i COULD have 1000 hp but i DONT its eitehr do it or dont.


super diesel has 800 hp how long will it last who knows but it still starts up in the morning dont it?


i got a 100% stock d-max i cranked my t-bars a little. thats all.


so for me to say i could have 800 hp is redicualess because i got the lly. just because one person does it does not mean every one can.


no 2 motors are the same.


i think what super diesel is doing is awsome. i mean it takes guts to do this stuff. very easly can his whole project become a waste. but i got configdence in him and i hope he does well.


how do u think this rice burner thing started?


take something slow or something once frowned apon and make it crazzy fast. thats what super diesel is doing. and hes probly gona do it. who cares how long his 800 hp will last? how long do 6000 hp dragsters last? and how often do we hear oh top fuel drag cars are gas driven? anough is anough.


they each got their ups and downs.


i thought diesles whernt allowed on the tracks because of the soot and oils they spilled out when raceing?


srry for the long post but you guys both got your points but the facts are are diesels are power houses and are the MODERN engine that moves the large truck

the 80 was not stock, just stating what a person could do with older tech, and what that chassis was capable of. Didn't say that it would be good ditch banger, just a good trail carver, and hung with the best of them, just because of it could stick the skegs into ground with no scub, it just stuck to the corner, it was a shorter sled so rotated very well. Basially stating that it does not need to be lastest and greatest, to perform better and faster.


Really don't care what last longer, still need a father-son project. Just Don't try telling me that a diesel will out accelerate its gasser counter part of the same HP. Just not going to happen.


"160 on the highway or down the drag strip?" same reason there's a need for supercars that go 180mph plus. there's lot more now then last few years. Edited by: 8100hammer

THis thread has kinda forgotten all about the 800 HP gasser truck and
stuck back on diesels again. Cannot stay on gassers even in a gasser
area!

Snoflakeman.... CHILL!


There is room in the world for gassers.... there always needs to be a runner-up!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Gas is for cleaning parts....Diesel is for going fast....Alcohol goes even faster, but the truly stoopid go NITRO!


Bill Fletcher's 10 Sec CTD (http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/MVI_0205.avi)


There is my Good Friend Mr.Fletcher in his low 10 second CTD on ET Streets annihilating a Vega with an alcohol 500" BB


Tsk Tsk Tsk.Edited by: Got Juice?

oh, almost forgot... his truck is street legal as well

Snoflakeman.... CHILL!


There is room in the world for gassers.... there always needs to be a runner-up!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Gas is for cleaning parts....Diesel is for going fast....Alcohol goes even faster, but the truly stoopid go NITRO!


<font color="#990099">Bill Fletcher's 10 Sec CTD (http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/MVI_0205.avi)</font>


There is my Good Friend Mr.Fletcher in his low 10 second CTD on ET Streets annihilating a Vega with an alcohol 500" BB


Tsk Tsk Tsk.



You mean there will always be room for wannabe be diesel owners that
think that their engines can be made more powerfull than a
gasser.



BTW that viper powered truck is street legal and pass emmisions too and
does it all in 2wd and find me a Dmax truck that can run 10's in 2wd
too. If that Viper powered truck had 4x4 it would be a LOT
quicker yet if you cheated and used 4x4.

Guys ,


Does this mean .. that I should not have bid $91,000 for the gasser that I had already bid... or should I up the bid.....


Pete

Snoflakeman.... CHILL!


There is room in the world for gassers.... there always needs to be a runner-up!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Gas is for cleaning parts....Diesel is for going fast....Alcohol goes even faster, but the truly stoopid go NITRO!


Bill Fletcher's 10 Sec CTD (http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/MVI_0205.avi)


There is my Good Friend Mr.Fletcher in his low 10 second CTD on ET Streets annihilating a Vega with an alcohol 500" BB


Tsk Tsk Tsk.




You mean there will always be room for wannabe be diesel owners that think that their engines can be made more powerfull than a gasser.

BTW that viper powered truck is street legal and pass emmisions too and does it all in 2wd and find me a Dmax truck that can run 10's in 2wd too. If that Viper powered truck had 4x4 it would be a LOT quicker yet if you cheated and used 4x4.



Dragracing is all about run whatcha brung.... and hope you brung enough!

Guys ,


Does this mean .. that I should not have bid $91,000 for the gasser that I had already bid... or should I up the bid.....


Pete



No this is just an example of what you can buy if you are so inclined.
You do not need to spend 91 G's to get 7 or 800 HP out of a gasser
power truck.

Funny, I looked at the window sticker on a duramax. The 4x4 option was listed - but there was no mention of this being a 'cheat option'. Maybe I should call dodge and tell them to stop putting those 10 cylinder 'cheater' engines in their trucks.....and stop with that extra turbo cheating crap.


They should've have know that if it isnt a carburated 350/TH350 combo it's cheating. Whats the world coming to!?


Ill remember not to use nitrous next time I make a quarter mile pass.....so I can sleep that night without upsetting SnoMoe' '70's concious.


that'll be all for now

Funny, I looked at the window sticker on a
duramax. The 4x4 option was listed - but there was no mention of
this being a 'cheat option'. Maybe I should call dodge and tell
them to stop putting those 10 cylinder 'cheater' engines in their
trucks.....and stop with that extra turbo cheating crap.


They should've have know that if it isnt a carburated 350/TH350 combo it's cheating. Whats the world coming to!?


Ill remember not to use nitrous next time I make a quarter mile
pass.....so I can sleep that night without upsetting SnoMoe'
'70's concious.


that'll be all for now



Steet racing in 4x4 is cheating when going against a 2WD truck or car
and besides show me in the owner manual where it says it is okay to use
it on dry pavement. Let me see you "race" your truck in 2wd and watch
everyone wax you and in top speed too. In 30 years I never used 4x4 on
dry pavement for such and I have never had a 4x4 driveline failure
either. If I had on of my old rods from the early 70's today I
would toast you everytime on a rolling start no matter what you did as
we could do 12's all day with 2wd. One day I may just build me a real
stock looking sleeper Dmax killer truck and I actually have potenail
canadate too if I choose to do it and it is designed to be run in 4wd
on hard pavement too as it has no 2wd mode.

street racing in 4x4 isn't cheating, it's winning. If every race were fixed so you and your imaginary 70's cars could win -it wouldn't be a race, it'd be snomans winter wonderland. If you race from a stoplight in a car with redline tires and a big block against a juiced Dmax, expect to lose by the time the next stoplight comes. And when you lose dont expect sympathy because it wasn't fair. Expect me to laugh at you for being dumb enough not to run slicks or 4x4 yourself....crybaby.


Same goes if I lose on the highway to a Camaro....I expect it to happen, doesn't mean I have to cry and pout about how he cant pull my trailer. It means I should stop whining and refill my Nitrous bottle.


now why dont you tell us what you drive...not what your buddy back in '78 raced.

LMAO@ vortecfcar!


BTW snow... ET wins not MPH


and for pure gut wrenching torque..... ya just can't beat a turbo diesel!


and Fletcher's truck is 2WD not 4x4 and he has to run slicks!


so, go to a track and race him.... i know who i would be betting my 500.00 on!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

ya know, i'm not that old, but i've been around many vehicles, diesel and gas... and a gas engine will produce FAR more thrills than ANY diesel...

Its great how ya'll have to put your trucks in 4wd ( some of ya ) and destroy tie-rods, and not to mention the stress on the axle components themselves...

Granted, There are some bad-ass diesels out there... but I'd take a tricked-up big-block before i'd take ANY diesel. Gassers turn far more heads than diesels... you guys spool your turbos up, launch it... and leave nothing but an enormous cloud of soot... so disgusting to some.

The fables of great fuel mileage of a diesel are far from true under normal driving, yea some of you may get those 17+mpg figures... but on a topped-off tank... and sub 60 mph speeds. Not fair in my book. Your "oil-burners" as you so eloquently put it... cannot hold a prayer to any gasser with equal mods... plain and simple. I challenge anyone to question me....

and in addition to the fuel mileage fable... i lived on a farm for about six months... drove an 02 stroker on a daily basis... 4wd dually ... 4 door... automatic... and it was 13 on a GOOD day ... but it was consistent with or without the 14,000lb cattle trailer... admirable.

I call you out on that Bet!


Put in a hypertech programmer on your gasser truck and i will put in the hypertech programmer as well for my DMX


Then we can both run out and get an AFE stage 2 intake or K&amp;N


Then we can both get a flowmaster exhaust for both trucks.


I ain't questioning you, i am TELLING YOU that with those mods to those 2 trucks, and that oilburner will get 17 MPG and blow by that 500inch 8.1L dinosaur like it has a fuel leak and 4 sparkplugs missing.


Quote for tubjub(... cannot hold a prayer to any gasser with equal mods... plain and simple. I challenge anyone to question me.... )



LOL


All in fun!Edited by: Got Juice?

TUBJUB YOURE SO FULL OF S H I T THAT YOUR BREATH STINKShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif

i said ... under normal driving conditions... i know for a fact you baby that thing like its goin outta style....

drive it like a truck... and see what happens to your fuel ... can't have performance for nothing my friend.

if i "played" with the stroker... it was single digits allll the way. it'd pull anything ... but no better than a gasser of the same displacement. and for your intakes, exhausts and chips... i could go out, slap a turbo on my 1990 toyota and walk away with allll of your money.

Kind of getting bored of humiliating the viper powered Dodge rams (and vipers for that matter). Had to school a BMW 740i the other day. OH, I'M SORRY. Those are gassers arn't they. OPPS. They get pretty pissed when an 8000+lbs dooley diesel dusts them.

yes, you don't get power from nothing. BOTTOM line is diesel has more BTU's in it than gasoline.


Gas is for cleaning parts.... that is all it has ever been good for...


oh .. it is also great for single digit fuel mileage.


Oh, please, no more explainations.... let me guess.. the short bus was a GASSER (snoflake was driving?)


HAHAHAHA!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifEdited by: Got Juice?

dump the amount of money into those gassers that you dump into your precious oil-guzzler.... see who's laughing then ... you're talking about all STOCK gassers... wtf ?

dump the amount of money into those gassers that you dump into your precious oil-guzzler.... see who's laughing then ... you're talking about all STOCK gassers... wtf ?

Over the last 20,000 miles my truck has averaged about 15.6 MPG. That
includes many overloaded trips, burn-outs and daily driving. 403 vs.
496, I think the diesel wins hands down. Hey doesn't the 8.1L still
burn a quart of oil per 1000 miles?

dump the amount of money into those gassers that you dump into your precious oil-guzzler.... see who's laughing then ... you're talking about all STOCK gassers... wtf ?


Like i said.. take the 8.1L and the DMX.


Both get an intake exhaust and a hypertech programmer.


spend the same money.


That gasser will still be 2 seconds slower and 10mpg all day every day of the week, twice on days ending in 'y'.


You called equal mods and there you have it... you lost. Deal with it.


Don't get mad.. get a DMX and come join the real party!

lol, great... snoman's short-bus would tow your broke-down diesel across the finish line.

every damn diesel out there has to hold a minimum of 10 quarts... the powerstroke holds 15 with a filter.... ( that gets OLD ) and the cummins holds 3 gallons... 3 GALLONS of oil... and when i take the oil out of my gasser... its still cleaner ... after 5k miles... than any of your diesels after 2 or 3k.

like i said before... EQUAL MODS PEOPLE... not this beefed diesel to stock gasser bullsh*t... if i had as much boost as your beloved dmax's... i could eat you for dinner. simple as that ... 30+ psi of boost on a 8100 would be ungodly.

Over the last 20,000 miles my truck has averaged about 15.6 MPG. That includes many overloaded trips, burn-outs and daily driving. 403 vs. 496, I think the diesel wins hands down. Hey doesn't the 8.1L still burn a quart of oil per 1000 miles?


I can't quite hear you over the piston slaphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

lol, great... snoman's short-bus would tow your broke-down diesel across the finish line.

every damn diesel out there has to hold a minimum of 10 quarts... the powerstroke holds 15 with a filter.... ( that gets OLD ) and the cummins holds 3 gallons... 3 GALLONS of oil... and when i take the oil out of my gasser... its still cleaner ... after 5k miles... than any of your diesels after 2 or 3k.

like i said before... EQUAL MODS PEOPLE... not this beefed diesel to stock gasser bullsh*t... if i had as much boost as your beloved dmax's... i could eat you for dinner. simple as that ... 30+ psi of boost on a 8100 would be ungodly.


Should you and snowmanflake be related, equal mods.... re read my post.... or i will type it slower maybe that will help you understand it better.


30 PSI boost in an 8.1L is ungodly? I doubt it.


With that much boost you would definately blow it sky highhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

TUBBACHIT YOU ARE COMPARING A "STROKER" TO A DURAMAX THATS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE DMAX? EVIDENTLY NOThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

piston slap ? lol that's hilarious...

start up a cummins and let it idle and attempt to have a conversation while standing next to the truck with the hood open... not happening... same goes for your beloved dmax and powerstroke.

start the 8100, and enjoy the deadly silence.

if i had as much boost as your beloved dmax's... i could
eat you for dinner. simple as that ... 30+ psi of boost on a 8100 would
be ungodly.



Even half the amount of blower boost in PSI would do nicely here

TUBBACHIT YOU ARE COMPARING A "STROKER" TO A DURAMAX THATS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE DMAX? EVIDENTLY NOThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


Comparing a stroke to a DMX is like the difference between chit and shinola!


Or what was that expression...


i would love to see an 8.1L with 30 PSIG of boost.... i bet the engine would let go sooner than my last turbo at 40 lbs of boost.


Of course stock would mean internals then right? LMAO..... hexk you wouldn't even need the juicegrips to make that one go boom!


Can we take video?


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

start up a cummins and let it idle and attempt to have a conversation while standing next to the truck with the hood open... not happening... same goes for your beloved dmax and powerstroke.

start the 8100, and enjoy the deadly silence.


Wow this thread is going to be better than most of the trans threads!


LOL I know for a FACT I could hear your 8100 over my Cummins! With my head IN the engine compartment! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

piston slap ? lol that's hilarious...

start up a cummins and let it idle and attempt to have a conversation while standing next to the truck with the hood open... not happening... same goes for your beloved dmax and powerstroke.

start the 8100, and enjoy the deadly silence.


Yep, i can have a conversation beside a Cummins.... the common rail injection makes them very quiet.


you and snoflake are still living in the 60's thinking that diesels are loud smelly and dirty with no power.


of course the 8100 is silent..... you never brag WHEN YOU CAN'T BACK IT UP!

i'll be the first to admit that a gasser isin't capable of great mileage... not as good as a diesel at least... but... a 500hp diesel and a 500hp gasser WILL get equal fuel mileage at full output... and lets see who enjoys the meltdown first.

but you want a cheap thrill? you ain't gonna get it out of a diesel. and as far as diesels go, they're all the same... they all stink. every last one of them... and comparing the dmax to the stroker ? its equal. they both run on the same fuel dont they ?

Snowman and tubjub are banned for being the same person on the same IP!


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i'll be the first to admit that a gasser isin't capable of great mileage... not as good as a diesel at least... but... a 500hp diesel and a 500hp gasser WILL get equal fuel mileage at full output... and lets see who enjoys the meltdown first.

but you want a cheap thrill? you ain't gonna get it out of a diesel. and as far as diesels go, they're all the same... they all stink. every last one of them... and comparing the dmax to the stroker ? its equal. they both run on the same fuel dont they ?


at 500HP i am sure the 8.1 will throw a rod thru the pan before the DMX melts down.


At full output a diesel will still get more mileage as their is more BTU's in a gallon of diesel VS gas... go to www.howstuffworks.com (http://www.howstuffworks.com) and read about it.


As far as comparing a DMX to a stroker and saying they are equal because they run the same fuel is about as smart as comparing women as all the same because they all have red blood in their veins... which is not the case i assure you.

Snowman and tubjub are banned for being the same person on the same IP!


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Darnit DP.... i was just starting to get into this discussion....


time to go to the transmission forumhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


I knew they were related! SNL: Hi! i am Darryl... and this is my other brother Darryl... and my other brother Darrylhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifEdited by: Got Juice?

every damn diesel out there has to hold a minimum of 10 quarts... the powerstroke holds 15 with a filter.... ( that gets OLD ) and the cummins holds 3 gallons... 3 GALLONS of oil... and when i take the oil out of my gasser... its still cleaner ... after 5k miles... than any of your diesels after 2 or 3k.




I find it funny that he doesn't even know how to convert gallons to quarts http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


3 gallons = 12 quarts


Too bad he/they are gone every forum needs a troll http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif