i just installed a sixgun on my 01 dmax and it showd no enhancement in performance from factory to level 6. whats the deal? its the unit defective or is taht just what the 6gun does.

Which version of the 6-Gun and do you also have the speed-loader option? Also double check to make sure you have an actual connection to the trans lines. It will show an improvement. Before I had my box re-flashed for version 2 and the speed-loader installed, Their was no doubt a difference. Really showed it's colors when towing. Now that I did the above, just look at the numbers below.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

i dont know which verson i have..how do you find that?? and i dont have a speedloader

check your switch , line it up like illustrations shows how does level five feel, to find out what version you have you have to look at the controller if it ends with a 67 its the race version 56 or 57 its not check for posts by peter t

is a 57 so what should i do?

send it back to have it reflashed, it does not matter what version you have level 6 will have the most gains

ill do that, but if all you have is the sixgun with everyhitng else stock. should you see a major differnce between stock and level 6

I am not sure what the hp ratings were on the old version but level six is the highest so if its a 125 hp chip then level 6 would be 125, level 5 might be 100 and so on, level 1 stock. so yes you should see the most gains at level six, if you had the speed loader it would make level 6 155, level 5 125,.... level 1 stock

k thank yall for your help ill be sending in my sixgun and we'll see what happens.thanks

ill do that, but if all you have is the sixgun with everyhitng else stock. should you see a major differnce between stock and level 6


Do a search in this forum. Look for sixgun dyno results. The hp #s dont add up to what Banks claims. I think I remember seeing 350 rwhp with sixgun/speedloader set on level 6. Thats only about 100 hp. I had the same problem with not noticing any power increase between all levels. I had a bad switch on mine and had Banks send me a new switch and it worked fine.

after the new switch did you notice a differnce from factory and level 6 and if so how much of a difference

I've had switch error codes before as well. I doubt it is the switch or even hardware related. I forget exactly what I did, but it has to do with the order installed and how the switch is set...

Make sure you check the LED light on the box. It will flash a particular way to indicate any error codes. If any error codes are being issued, this 6-gun will not add any performance and remain stock. Be sure to check this.

Your 6-gun is no doubt throwing a red led sequence if you notice no power increase. When you first turn the switch to the "run" position, you should get a steady green led. With the speedloader installed, the green led will flash twice and then stay steady green-this is the module acknowledging the speedloader is installed. Either way, send in the 6-gun you have now, as the new version is much more responsive.

You should notice a marked increase in your "seat of the pants dyno" between level 1 and 6 regardless of model of 6 gun. I have not yet sent mine in to be reflashed just because I am happy with what I have right now. I personally don't need the fastest truck, just like a little more stank for passing/playing around.

Now blue68383, you need to dig a little deeper. I'm at roughly 150 horse increase and I don't have everything done yet that makes those numbers. Banks said with exhaust and intake. I haven't done intake yet.

Banks claims are still correct for the first version. Remember, they are claiming these numbers for BEST GAINS not PEAK TO PEAK as most do. I would still like to see a dyno graph for version 2 layed over version 1 for comparison's sake.

Funny, I had the same problem after I installed the sixgun that I bought from bub_breeding.

I had installed it last friday, but didn't have time to put the EGT probe in. Since it had previously been installed, the SG had to see it in order for it to add any power. I just hooked it up, which cleared the code, and coiled it up under the dash. I drove it all weekend and was, quite honestly, pretty dissapointed as I didn't feel any increase in power.

I hadn't installed the Speed-Loader at that point.

Tonight, I drilled for the EGT gauge and installed it, then installed the Speed-Loader. HOLY COW. NOW it's working for sure. I couldn't believe the power.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Six-Gun comes with a 5 position switch, doesn't it? I had the 6 position switch installed, so I think the problem may have been that in order for the 6 position switch to work, the SL has to be installed as well. The SL goes between the switch and the box.

The other possibility is that if the box doesn't see any temp off the EGT probe, it won't add power. All I know is, I had no added power and no fault codes flashing. Installing the SL and the EGT probe solved my problem.

This thing is amazing. The Edge may be better, but this is all I'll ever need. (yeah right)

Marc

Now blue68383, you need to dig a little deeper. I'm at roughly 150 horse increase and I don't have everything done yet that makes those numbers. Banks said with exhaust and intake. I haven't done intake yet.



There were dyno tests done that showed the Banks Sixgun/speedloader Version 1 making 350rwhp on level six on and I think it was on a stock truck. It also showed version 2 installed on the same truck with no gains in peak #s. It was said that there were no gains because of the high egts (1450) causing it to back down. I have not sent in my version 1 box yet b/c I dont have an exhaust yet. I think that with an exhaust, the version 2 box will make more hp. You're the only one that I've seen making 400hp with the sixgun. I need to get an exhaust and send in my sixgun for a reflash. Do you have any 1/4 mile times with your set up? Did you have a version 1 box before? If so did you notice a big difference between the two versions?

Mjollnir,


All 6-guns come with a 6 position switch. Coiling the egt probe under the dash will result in NO added power. If you connected the egt wire to the 6-gun, the module must see that the speedloader is installed and at least 300 degrees from the probe, or it will add no power. Do you have version 2?


blue 68383,


Kennedy did dyno version 1 at a little over 350rwhp. He later stated that he dynoed version 2 at almost the exact same numbers. Not long ago, I seen him state that he should send his unit in to be reflashed. I believe that he didn't actually get version 2 yet to be dynoed. If I'm incorrect, I'm sure he'll respond. I've seen one post saying a run of 14.3 was run with version 2 of the 6-gun. There is a big difference between the two. Mine sure feels like all 155 ponies are there.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Well there ya go. Apparantly Banks tech support is retarded. They're the ones that told me to do that. Morons.

I have Version 1, I think.

Anyway, I sure am happy with it now. Is this thing going to fry my tranny, or is the trans protection of the Banks good enough to prevent that?

MarcEdited by: Mjollnir

Version 1 = part #62956


Version 2 = part #62967


By your response, I'm thinking you might have version 2. If you don't, send it in for the reflash, it's well worth it. The 6-gun (version 2) defuels on all shifts quite a bit and then pours on the power, so I'm thinking it's one of the safer units out there. It also allows only 3% slip before it starts to cut the power. As far as I know, mine hasn't even seen this amount of slip. I'm leaving mine on level 4 for everyday driving. This level has dropped over 1.4 seconds off of my stock 1/4 time. I'll leave levels 5 and 6 for the occasional drag race.

whats the best programmer for just a standard factory dmax?

the juice hands down

sdaver is a member of the Church of Juice. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

A Disciple of winning products.... Juice, TTS,and Suncoast Edited by: sdaver

What Dave said JMO

mulm33 - at the risk of getting skewered, I am pretty happy with my Six-Gun/SL. I don't plan on replcing my tranny any time soon, so it's all the power I'll need, and it is plenty fast. Maybe not "as fast as...", but surely enough to embarass some Mustangs and most rice rockets.

(duck and cover! DUCK AND COVER!) http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

That said, the Juice is certainly, without a doubt, the most popular and highly recommended box on this board. That says something.

It was really a toss up between the Juice/Attitude and the Six Gun for me. Main thing that scared me about the Juice was some minor problems that some have with stalling, and some other issues that seem to pop up with each revision on an intermittant basis. I didn't need any problems while towing 14k+ up an 8% grade. Sure their warranty service and customer service is great, but that doesn't help me in the middle of the desert having problems, ya know?

Hadn't heard of ANY problems with the Six-Gun. When I found a Six Gun for a really good price, that's what I went with.

Truthfully, if I had found a J/A for the same price, I probably would have pulled the trigger on that as well.



MarcEdited by: Mjollnir

Mjollnir,


I am glad you are happy with your Six-gun / SL http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif. You should have contacted me when you were having your problems. I could have told you how to get around them. I believe the 6-gun will even allow you to erase its memory of the SL and use only the gun. Something to do with turning the switch from 1 to 6 and back with 3 seconds here and there http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif. Maybe someone can further explain.


bub_breeding

You're pretty much right on the switch procedure. If you want to just use the 6-gun with NO speedloader, you'll have to reset the module. To reset the gun, have the switch on the truck to the "run" position. Then move the switch to level 1 for 5 seconds, then level 6 for 5 seconds and back to level 1 for 5 seconds. Make sure to unplug both the egt wire and speedloader going to the module before this, otherwise the 6-gun will still be looking for input from either. When it doesn't find it, it'll give you an error code, of course.

When removing the 6 gun for warranty work does it leave any telltale wire connections or any other evidence of its installation? I was told that one wire needs to be spliced in the tranny someplace.

Gruber,


There are 2 connections that are left on the trans wiring circuit. The wires from the 6-Gun themselves are easy enough to remove. They would have to know exactly what to look for and even then you could remove them if you had to. Don't know how easy it would be but I don't imagine it being very hard. I'd make them prove that they were for a performance module though as they could just as easily be for a tech tool you Had that monitors slippage.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Plus, I wouldn't like leaving the bare wire (although a very fine section, stretching it I'd say a 32nd of an inch) exposed.


TT

I connected the TCM connectors to the wires in a spot where I could peel back the electrical tape (factory), disconnect, and retape. They'd have to look pretty hard to see it.

Marc

p.s. - thanks again bub - anyone looking to buy stuff from bub, do it without worry - he's a good dude.

Thanks for the inputhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

Mjollnir,

Are you still running a stock California exhaust with a cat?

Thanks,

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Mjollnir,

Are you still running a stock California exhaust with a cat?

Thanks,

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I was until last Saturday... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

I'm going to make some mods so the stock downpipe can be swapped back in if necessary.

Marc

Marc,

Thanks for your reply.

So performance of the Six Gun was quite noticeable even with the cat? I'm concerned that the cat will raise EGT's significantly and the Speed Loader will have to pull fuel and reduce power.

Thanks,

Gary

Actually,I had my install screwed up until after I put the exhaust on. However, Terrain Twister ran a stock exhaust with the Six-Gun for a while, I believe, and had no problems. Definately a noticable improvement with just the gun, 4" exhaust just makes it better. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

Marc

I did run the gun without the exhaust and SL for a little while. EGT's will still go up though and I wouldn't run it above 3 for any lengths of time. You will notice the power difference even without the exhaust. My Dyno numbers where around 345/660 if I remember correctly (In #6). I'll have to go look them up.

Just an FYI, I was at a Dyno event on Saturday and had mine Dyno'd I got 348 rwhp and 647 tq. There was a guy there that had just installed an Edge (not sure which one) that ran 331hp and 550 tq. I have MBRP 4" exhaust, AFE Stage 2 and 6-Gun w/ speedloader. I bought mine in September and it came straight from Banks so I am pretty sure it is the 2nd version.


Terrain Twister, do you have something else on your truck that is pushing you to 400hp? I know on my truck I don't have an overdrive lockout so it kept shifting up. That is sure to have some impact but I don't know how much.

That's a negative Braz. Just what my sig says is all I'm running. The 'Kitty' disappeared also but that's what she ran. I'd double check on the version though. If you didn't specify, they could have sent you version 1. Edited by: Terrain Twister

Hey Terrain Twister, what kind of Dyno did you make 411/809 results on? Was it the acceleration or load type dyno?

Braz,


The Dyno was a Mustang 1750SE. It was an acceleration test. I don't know if this is an acceleration or load type Dyno. Perhaps someone else will chime in that has the knowledge.


TT