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Georgecls

11-04-2003, 05:41 PM

As John has indicated, these filter magnets are not just magnets attached to a flexible mount, but a 'cost no object' design that, from what I have seen to date, does indeed work.
The problem with using magnets for filtration is that when they are immersed in a fluid, the strong magnetic field of a Neo magnet works wonderfully as a filter, pulling ferrous materials from one angstrom thru chunks and clunks of metal. However, when even a very thin metal wall or shield is put between the magnet and a fluid, the magnetic field reduces tremendously, resulting in much less force field to attract wear metals. Thus, the effectiveness of magnets used on oil/fuel filters has been limited. With the high rate of oil/fuel flow going by the outside filter wall, the force has to be strong to capture particles. The significant aspect of the Filtermag is that they incorporated two very unique aspects into the design which enable the unit to work very well even after going through the filter wall.
1. They use very high quality, high cost, high powered neo and many of them.
2. They used a force field director on the outside of the filter magnets so that all of the magnetic field is directed inward so synergistic results occur. i.e. one very, very powerful magnetic field which easily penetrates the oil/fuel filter wall thus providing a very effective filter capability.

I am in the processing of running extensive tests on the unit's effectiveness for both oil and fuel filtration applications. I have run one fuel without magnet and with magnet. The ISO was reduced from a 14/13/11 to 13/11/9. Particles were cut in half...
Actual particle counts were:

Without Magnet:
>2 Microns 1044, >5 mcrons 363, >15 microns 40, >25 microns 7, >50 microns 1

With FilterMagnet:
>2 Microns 278, >5 Microns 52, :15 Microns 5, > 25 Microns 1, :50 Microns 0

So, there you have it.. One test, accomplished in controled, real conditions at a 60 gpm flow rate.
More test results to follow in the coming weeks/months..
George Morrison

Chevysrus

11-04-2003, 06:10 PM

Ahh, you can always count on George to state only the absolute facts with supporting data......just once George drop a little BS on us for shock value ha ha ha Tell us our muffler bearings are wearing out too fast and need filtration or something is wrong with the chromostats.

I think George needs his own TV series like the crime lab guys in Las Vegas or Miami. LOL I am sure it will be most interesting and something I can relate to better than all those murders etc.

Just kidding George, you are the Merlin of our Time! Don't think we could get by without ya!!!!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Victory Red

11-04-2003, 06:15 PM

George,

Not to be a pain, but how about the test bed layout? What type of filter? 10 mic, 5 mic, 2 mic? Just a normal pass through OEM or one of the commonly used secondaries? Just not quite enough information to sell me just yet.

jesshd

11-04-2003, 06:30 PM

So maybe the answer for fuel filtering is an add on secondary filter and then a filter mag on the OEM filter.

Jess

Georgecls

11-04-2003, 08:35 PM

As I indicated in my previous post, I am sharing the results of one fuel test which were very impressive but with more testing to follow and results posted as they become available. The filter was a prototype filter I am developing for use on commercial fuel dispensing equipment. (note the 60 gpm flow rate indicated) The filter is a full synthetic 2 micron beta 2000 filter and the test was accomplished via full running stream at 60 gpm. A sample test port was established before and after the fuel filter and the sample bottles triple rinsed with each capture. There were a total of 3 samples captured before the filter mag was installed and then 3 triple rinse samples captured after the filter mag was installed on the filter housing and the particle count readings are the averages for the 3 samples. 20 gallons of diesel fuel was run between the two sample captures.
Thus, given the relatively short residence time, high flow rate of the fuel through the filter housing, some very impressive numbers. Given that the fuel throughput flow rate on our Duramax is much less than my 60 gpm test setup, one could expect similar or better results. We shall see....
George Morrison
Edited by: Georgecls

OC_DMAX

11-04-2003, 08:40 PM

George,

A couple of weeks ago on TDP we were involved in a discussion on FilterMags and you posted "I have a diesel fuel sample processing for spectro analysis in the lab as I write. We should know today or tomorrow exactly what the contaminants are in my diesel fuel!"

Reference this link:

http://forum.thedieselpage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=007030

So my question: What is the percent make-up of contaminants that are in diesel fuel?

It is good to see someone is running a test (or two). I second what Victory Red says above, hopefully the details will be documented and published.

Regards,

Alan

hoot

11-04-2003, 08:52 PM

Not to mention the mileage increase due to aligning of the carbon molecules...... into the 100 mpg range. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

It's almost common sense to use a magnet to "filter" metallic particles. Only problem is aren't the higher wear particles non magnetic?

Edited by: hoot

Georgecls

11-04-2003, 08:53 PM

Alan,
I am sorry to report that the spectro analysis of my diesel fuel sample revealed nothing but the problems inherent with low viscosity fluid spectrographic limitations. i.e. the test results showed nothing.. Keep in mind that spectrography is limited to components 5 microns and smaller. We know through particle counting we have significant amounts of particles larger than 5 microns; these are not going to reflect in spectro analytical results..
So, we crossed another boundary at this point.. However, given the amount of ferrous contaminant collection which took place on the fuel filter housing, there was a very large bell that went off. All diesel fuel passes through miles and miles of steel piping, steel valves, steel pumps, and then resides in steel tanks, only to get transfered to more steel lines, tanks, etc. some of which are corroded, all of which are sluffing surface metals. Bingo.. It makes perfect sense that a major contaminant would be iron/steel!
Thus, I am most excited about continued testing with the Filtermag as we may have come up with a very powerful tool to effectively filter what may be our #1 contaminant: iron and steel.
George Morrison

BigdaddyG

11-04-2003, 09:09 PM

Seems to me those metal particles would cause some serious wear. Maybe this has been the problem all along. Small metal particles passing through the injectors at 23,000 psi can't be a good thing!!!

Victory Red

11-04-2003, 09:14 PM

I'm sorry George, I really hate to speak against you on this topic since you've done so much in getting out proper information for us but yet again I'm not quite sold.

A prototype filter setup is not real world. Our OEM Racors were not tested in a real world environment.

I have no doubt that these magnets may have some purpose in certain applications, but as for our trucks(or any diesel motor) would be better served by spending that money on a second or even third filter setup vs a magnet. I'd love to be proved wrong.

That and one possible consideration. If you collect steel and iron in a magnetized section of a fuel filter won't that possibly cause other issues like RUST??

Think about it, there is always going to be water in our fuel albeit miminal. Now when the water molecules in the fuel hit the stuck metal particles won't it just have a larger target to promote rust in the fuel systems?

Maverick

11-04-2003, 09:30 PM

http://www.magnaforce.com/

Another filter magnet.

http://www.thebeartrap.com/bt800.htm

http://www.oilfiltermagnet.com/Edited by: Maverick

OC_DMAX

11-04-2003, 10:08 PM

George,

Thanks for the reply. As with most engineering endeavors, it takes time to sift through the data, devise more tests to run, sift through the data again, etc. (It seems like I have spent half of my engineering career looking over test data.) Everyone should keep an open mind on this topic and lets see where the tests and data take us. It may take some time to evolve. Once the information is presented in final form, everyone will have to determine whether $165 is worth a particular ISO Code reduction. (My threshold = 50% reduction)

Alan

Edited by: OC_DMAX

Georgecls

11-05-2003, 08:50 AM

Again, I am not trying to 'sell' Filtermags, but presenting the data I have at this time along with some observations on contaminant sources in that just about everything diesel fuel sees in its trip from the refinery to our filler is steel, some of which is corroded.
Regarding the possibility of corrosion in the filter area. If one is using an emulsifying fuel additive which also contains corrosion prevention, corrosion would not be an issue with the fines collected. Moreover the possibility of filtering from the angstrom level on up through visible, the ability to reduce the filter medium workload, the ability to sub-micronic filter without increasing Delta P, some exciting possibilities..

George Morrison

hoot

11-05-2003, 08:59 AM

Kennedy

11-05-2003, 09:37 AM

If using the magnet makes a significant improvement in particle count.... it has to be a good thing. The filter will have a better flow graph through it's life. Not saying leave the filter in longer because of the magnet... the magnet will keep the large metallic particles out of the media, allowing better flow over the life of the filter.

But the bottom line is fuel cleanliness going into the HP pump. If the magnet makes the fuel cleaner... there's no snake oil in that.

Hey, Hoot gets it!

Truth is, if you are into doubting George's findings, then we may as well throw out EVERY fuel and oil analysis particle count done regarding this subject.

We've watched my engine oil clean up TREMENDOUSLY with the addition of a Harvard bypass filter. Down to where we can do a PARTICLE count and get 16/14/11's even with the byproducts of combustion present. Just for grins, I snapped on a Filtermag and ended up with a 13/12/8.

Two previous samples:

16-14-11 ISO at 428-158-17 particle

16-14-11 ISO at 350-129-14 particle

Soot at .1%

Then with Filtermag:

13-12-8 ISO with 58-22-2 Particle

Soot at .2% due to heavy dyno running shortly before sampling...

Guys, we have a ferrographic history on this engine. There are slide pics showing normal wear and tear (albeit nice and low) and then after the Filtermag, there is almost nothing in the slide pics.

I was joking with George that he'd have to pick up my truck and drive it for a service interval, then sample it himself to quantify the results, but if everybody is doubting his judgement...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Diesel Power

11-05-2003, 01:01 PM

Victory Red - stay tuned. a real world test is already in place. Pre-magnet sample was shipped yesterday. Post-magnet sample will follow shortly. And its real- a CAT 0749 element mound on a Duramax. I hope it works.. I'm confident it will unless i foul up my sampling method.. eric send me a kent-moore gauge!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

OC_DMAX

11-05-2003, 03:06 PM

Diesel Power -

Are you planning on taking the samples side by side (with & without the magnet) or are the samples separated in time by days? If they are separated in time, have you either filled the vehicle with fuel or driven it between taking samples?

Same truck, same day, same fuel, same sampling equipment, magnet on/off, etc and you will have a good comparison. Anything else and you will be questioning the results (IMHO)Edited by: OC_DMAX

OC_DMAX

11-05-2003, 03:09 PM

Guys, we have a ferrographic history on this engine. There are slide pics showing normal wear and tear (albeit nice and low) and then after the Filtermag, there is almost nothing in the slide pics.

Post the pictures, lets see what they look like!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

On edit - a really nice feature of this website. Easy to do, worth a thousand (or maybe a hundred) words.Edited by: OC_DMAX

a bear

11-05-2003, 04:00 PM

Kennedy

11-05-2003, 07:48 PM

It's in PDF. Dunno how to extract the pics.

FWIW, It doesn't get much more real world than George's sampling...

Kennedy

11-05-2003, 07:53 PM

In regards to oil and fuel filter magnets. Would it not be possible for missed/magnetized particles to temporarily attach themselves to undesirable locations of wear in the presence of low velocity? Can similar occurances mask sample results? If this is the case would it not be better to keep all particles in suspension away from metal wear areas and filter them out. Wouldn't the majority of these particles that get by filters and attach to magnets be well below our tightest clearances?

We are catching them on the dirty side of the OE filter. The pics that Mdrag took show how the particles are literally plastered to the filter canister. The key is the strength of these magnets. It is a pretty fair bet that we could bolt an RA450 to a hard hat and have a guy like Mackin do a crazy glue commercial hanging from a 5" pipe! There is a notation right on the magnet band NOT for aircraft use...

Diesel Power

11-05-2003, 08:03 PM

Georgecls

11-05-2003, 08:39 PM

For the oil side of the equation, the more particles we can remove, including the sub-micronic, the better. The angstrom level particles are not as much wear related as to what the ultra fines do to the oil and additive chemistries. CAT has done some nifty research into the affects of ultra fine particles and their affect on oil life. The cleaner the oil the better the lubricant will function and longer; much longer.. So, we aren't just talking abrasive wear but the affect on the oil 'system'. As discussed, we have seen some phenomenal particle count/ferrography results with John Kennedy's Duramax. His engine oil is cleaner than NASA hydraulic oil as a result of using the filtermag setup. His oil was incredibly clean prior to using the filtermag, unbelievably clean now. I have never seen an engine oil ferrography where the slide showed "no" discernable wear particles: ever.. John Kennedy's slide was clear: totally void of wear metals....... We have never seen such a slide...

George Morrison

Victory Red

11-05-2003, 09:00 PM

I'm not trying to insult anyone or even question the validity of George's results, what I'm questioning is whether or not there is a real world benefit in our applications. Time and testing will tell, so I'll shut my mouth and wait for more results.

From early on I was always told to ask questions if I don't understand something completely, I still follow that advice.

My skepticism comes from a lifetime of 'super products' that'll fix everything including the clogged kitchen sink.

For now, I'll sit quietly back and wait for the results to come rolling in from several different sources. I do know when to shut up http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Cougar GT-E

11-05-2003, 09:46 PM

Hey Guys,

Why not do what I did? Go to you IT department (or local computer reseller) and ask for broken disk drives. Take them apart and remove the 2 very powerful magnets and stick them on your filter housing. It is about 164.00 cheaper than buying the real deal and still works. Maybe not to the same extent, but it leaves an outline of the magnet on the inside of the filter. I use 4-5 on each filter, including the Alison filter.

Here's a picture of the result. If you like it, use it. If not, ignore it!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/metal_from_magnets_on_oil_filter.jpg

OC_DMAX

11-05-2003, 10:24 PM

Kennedy wrote "FWIW, It doesn't get much more real world than George's sampling..."

Agreed,,,, multiple samples, on the same day, on the same tank of fuel, using the same sample point and the fuel was in a very dynamic state (60gpm?- a fire hose?).

Diesel Power wrote "if you don't run some fuel between samples you risk not realizing the effects of the magnet.. you have to give it a fe miles to stabilize.. how would you do it?

The whole FilterMag topic began several weeks ago on TDP. At the time, several pictures were posted of the contaminants captured on the "dirty side" of the OEM filter. This filter was the first filter in the fuel system. Capturing particles on the dirty side of the filter does not necessarily correlate to a drastic improvement in fuel cleanliness, since the fuel filter may have caught the particles anyway. I suggested at the time that the improvement needed to be measured. Fast forward a couple of weeks and we are once again discussing FilterMags. This time however, we are discussing some measurement data that George has made. This is definitely a step in the right direction.

During this two-week interval, I thought about what the best method would be to measure an improvement in fuel cleanliness without/with the addition of a filter magnet. To keep the number of variables to a minimum, the test should be run on the same tank of fuel, on the same day (back to back), using the same sample equipment, and with the fuel in a dynamic state (same as what George did, but at a lower flow rate --- 40gph). Only those with a lift-pump could satisfy the last requirement. The two forum members that come to mind are Abear (Tommy) and Jbplock (Bill). To date, they are the only two individuals that I know of who have taken dynamic fuel samples on the DMAX. The rest of us who have taken samples were using a very low fuel flow rate. This is probably OK for the filter element. However, the magnet is trying to attract/capture moving particles. I believe a low flow rate would result in slower moving particles, which may skew the results towards the positive side. The above would be my approach.

In your situation, as far as stabilizing things, I would take the first sample without the FilterMag, install the FilterMag, pump 5 or 6 gallons of diesel fuel through the filters and take another sample. Simple as that. The magnet is either working or it is not working. Those are my thoughts. Look

Ray403Dmax

11-05-2003, 11:15 PM

Used TVs, monitors, and speakers are also great sources for magnets. Those flat wrap around magnets were cool, but I'm shaking and scrathing my head at $164.

Diesel Power

11-06-2003, 02:08 AM

OC - perhaps i will try samples on the same tank of fuel the next go-around..

i had also considered this: OC- "Capturing particles on the dirty side of the filter does not necessarily correlate to a drastic improvement in fuel cleanliness, since the fuel filter may have caught the particles anyway". It is a very good point indeed, but George's tests have so far proven that (at least in his situation) the magnet is catching some things that the filter wouldn't. i just hope that holds true in our truckshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif. we shall see...

jbplock

11-06-2003, 07:28 AM

I've been thinking about tinkering with some surplus rare earth Neodymium-Iron-Boron (NdFeB) (http://www.wondermagnets.com/cgi-bin/edatcat/WMSstore.pl) magnets. I plan to put a few inside my OilGuard ByPass filter and the OEM fuel filter (though the WIF Sensor opening). I may also be tempted to spend the money for another fuel test with the magnets inside the OEM. Only problem is that the magnets could interfere with the WIF sensor (per Spicers TDP post).

Georgecls

11-06-2003, 09:24 AM

I will be submitting more 'with and without' filtermagnet fuel analysis results with lower flow rates, etc.. In the coming weeks we will be amassing a good amount of data regarding the filtermag's performance with diesel fuel.

Another variable: some diesel fuels may contain a higher level of iron/steel/rust than another, depending on the fuel's source. However, all diesel fuel I have seen to date contains fairly significant levels of iron/steel. Thus it would appear that our two significant contamination components are iron/steel and dirt, both of which are abrasives..

As I indicated in a previous post, I attempted to analyze the contaminants but did not get meaningful results in that the machine used for the analysis is designed to analyze higher viscosity/lower volatility oils/lubricants. The analysis machine is 'supposed' to be capable of analyzing fuels but is not, unfortunately. (Yes, that is the the odor of burnt insulation, wires you smell)....

George Morrison

Georgecls

11-06-2003, 09:31 AM

As with my previous post, the problem with use of 'free' (non-shielded) neo's on the outside of an oil/fuel filter can is that when one goes through a metal insulation, the magnetic force field decreases tremendously. I hold patents on the use of Neo's for filtration...

With the relatively high flow rates of both oil and fuel, unless one has an extremely strong field 'inside' that filter wall, very little material is going to be captured. The impressive part of the Filtermag is its design which focuses all of the neo power inward, resulting in an incredibly strong force field; one that is strong enough to capture and hold ferrous moving at a high rate. Of course that is one of the aspects (along with the use of high quality/high cost neo) of the filtermag which increases its cost of manufacture. It is far from just simple neo's on the side of a case..

Which is exactly what we are exploring here..

George Morrison

Kennedy

11-06-2003, 09:54 AM

OC - samples are seperated by days.. same truck, same filter, same sample point, only 500 miles differ the filter between samples. 9200 & 9700 miles should be close enough together.. fuel comes from the same crummy station and tank will be at teh same point, full.

if you don't run some fuel between samples you risk not realizing the effects of the magnet.. you have to give it a fe miles to stabilize.. how would you do it?

Nick,

While good I'm sure that you had good intentions, the procedure that you describe allows for a tremendous variance in fuel quality due to increased refinemant with multi pass filtration, AND the variance in quality of fuel from one batch to another. It would be best to catch your before/after samples from the same state/condition in the tank, at relatively close intervals. George had the best scenario as he was pumping fuel from the storage tank, and could allow a small amount of fuel to pass prior to resampling...

When I sample my fuel, it is immediately after fueling and a short drive home. This ensures that I get "worst case scenario" results...Edited by: Kennedy

OC_DMAX

11-06-2003, 09:56 AM

George,

On a previous post you mentioned that you took 3 samples before the magnet was attached to the filter and 3 samples after the magnet was attached to the filter. One question that I have always had in the back of my mind is " how repeatable is the sampling technique/measurement on the same fuel?" If you have some time, could you post the particle counts for one of these sample sets (i.e. either the 3 samples before magnet or the 3 samples after the magnet).

Thank you,

Alan

Georgecls

11-06-2003, 10:55 AM

Regarding repeatability. The sampling technique used for the "with and without Filtermag" were ideal conditions in that we were in a controlled environment with significant flush fluids, steady stream sample capture, with two engineers who have taken literally thousands of samples through the years. Thus the 'actual' particle counts were all within 2 to 3 particles per segment, which is within allowable instrument error.. All three samples were within the same ISO code range. Unfortunately the actual count/results were not kept as we captured over 50 samples that day and the lab technician compiled and summarized everything for us. Out of the 50 samples captured there was one sample that provided skewed results. As we have discussed, one spec of dirt, one bottle not rinsed properly, etc. can alter results. However, the one point of all the fuel analysis results to date; from my experience anytime sample capture variation occurs, dirt/contaminant causing increased ISO/particle count. Most of the analysis results have been in incredibly low. Results such as those are achieved only when excellent sample techniques are used. The fuel analysis results I have reviewed have been very consistent with only one set of sample results reflecting significant variance. On re-sample the results were similar to the other samples captured from a similar fuel filter setup.
George Morrison Edited by: Georgecls

ZFMax

11-06-2003, 06:54 PM

George's patent (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1='morrison+george'&OS=%22morrison+george%22&RS=%22morrison+george%22) ... very well done! I review a lot of patents (have a few myself) and disclosures (I'm on the patent committee at the company I work for) and I know a good one from a weak one.

I for one very much appreciate your participation on these boards and I've learned a lot from you.

Diesel Power

11-06-2003, 07:09 PM

John,

in my previous post i stated that the tank was full each time i take a sample. i live 1/8 mile from the station i use for every tank so i think that should be full enough :) also if i do each test twice (no magnet, magnet, no magnet, magnet..

i guess i don't get how my methold, "allows for a tremendous variance in fuel quality due to increased refinemant with multi pass filtration" when each sample is taken from a full tank of fuel? if the tank is full (after being filled from low-fuel light near empty) how can multi-pass filtration occur, expect for the 1/8mile trip home? after all i've got a 45 gallon tank. i wouldn't think an 1/8 mile of recirculation would make a measurable amount of difference... am i missing something?

Georgecls

11-06-2003, 07:20 PM

ZFMax,

Thank you for your kind words. Very much appreciated...

George Morrison

Chevysrus

11-09-2003, 10:13 PM

OK, OK I found them.......I was at the SEMA show last week in Las Vegas and a vendor there has Filter Magnets for oil and fuel and anything else you want to pull out of suspension. They make them for NASCAR, seems all the race cars use filter magnets all over (new form of Magdrafting) LOL

Anyway, he had one on an oil filter and ther filter was cut open so you could see the dark brown "stain" on the inside metal opposite of where the magnet was placed. The "stain" matched perfectly the shape of the magnets (rollers).

Super strong and the NASCAR race cars have high flow oil pumps similar to ours so no problem pulling "stuff" out of suspension and trapping/holding it against the inside metal can of the filter housing.

Cost for this Super Magnet.....all day long as many as you want $34.00 plus tax!!!!!

Shapped like a "C" and flexible to fit any size filter housing. If you really want to pull everything out of suspension you could put 2 on and surround the filter..

Now for the bad news, I have a whole damn suitcase full of brochures and ad material I collected. I have to go through it to find the Filter magnet vendor name and contact info. Hope to find it by tomorrow and I will post the info.

Sorry for the teaser, but I held them in my hot hand. I would have bought one or two right then, but they only display at the show or take orders.

Campfire_Rick

11-10-2003, 09:11 PM

Wellll...........................http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Sneaks

11-10-2003, 10:39 PM

http://www.performanceproducts.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProductName=Magnetic+Oil+Filter+B and&productid=103932&producttype=10 (http://www.performanceproducts.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProductName=Magnetic+Oil+Filter+B and&productid=103932&producttype=10)

Was this it?

Campfire_Rick

11-10-2003, 11:20 PM

I hope not.

I'm no magnet expert, but that thing looks like a piece of sh!t.

Rick

Chevysrus

11-11-2003, 12:35 AM

Ok I found the info......read more below or go to www.filtermag.com (http://www.filtermag.com)
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Campfire_Rick

11-11-2003, 02:22 AM

OK, but these are $120. Where are the $34.95 available?

Rick

Chevysrus

11-11-2003, 02:14 PM

That's a real good question, just visited the website and saw that. I will have to call and clarify what was the $34.95 filter magnet he showed me at the show.

At least the info was enlightening, I hope.

Back soon after I call.

Campfire_Rick

11-11-2003, 06:57 PM

Amric

11-11-2003, 09:07 PM

Any SAE papers on this subject?

Terry

11-11-2003, 11:40 PM

Yup, I don't need much convincing to think slapping some magnets on the filters can't hurt, assuming you keep the force fields away from electrical components and whatnot. Sounds like a really good thing. I'm just looking for a decent price. I'd want at least two (oil and fuel), preferably four (the big CAT on the Nicktane can handle two) but for $250-$500, there are other things I would much rather do. An Amsoil dual bypass comes to mind, as do a Nicktane, deep pan and Transynd, some type of FIPK or a Uni ... the list goes on and on of PM's that would take higher priority. I have all but the Amsoil dual bypass, and you can bet I'll opt there before a buck and a quarter each for a filter magnet.

Rick

Yeah, I hear ya. I'd go for some magnets too if
the price were ALOT more reasonable(just my opinion).
I'm currently in the middle of my Amsoil BMK17 install
so to speak. Got my custom bracket done.
http://207.53.239.181/~terry/truck/Amsoil-BMK17/
Just need to attach it all to the truck. That
part shouldn't take too long though...

T.

twebb

11-12-2003, 05:18 PM

Anybody you know of who can beat these price's on the FilterMags?

Performance Products has them for:

size 4.00"-4.50" $149.95

Size 4.25"-5.50" $159.95

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flhrciblueice

11-12-2003, 07:24 PM

twebb,

www.kennedydiesel.com (http://www.kennedydiesel.com)

His prices are $115 for oil filter magnet and $165 for the fuel filter magnet. A little more for the fuel filter than what you found, but the oil filter makes up the difference and then some.

Kennedy

11-13-2003, 09:30 AM

The new RA series is the only one that we should concern ourselves with. There are lesser strength units available, but what's the point in adding something that is merely "adequate" ???

Nick,

Unless you baseline both pump fills, you are only ASSUMING that your base fuel is the same. There are a too many variables. This is why George's same day testing drawing from same supply just moments after the base sample is much more accurate. If George were to go out and do this again, wouldn't you think he'd baseline the new batch of fuel?

Edited by: Kennedy

chrisb009

11-27-2003, 11:53 PM

Simply take a dead computer hard drive apart (shouldn't be to difficult to find a dead hard drive with todays manufactures quality) and remove the magnets. Be forewarned, the magnets are very powerful and can cause serious harn if one is not careful.

Ray403Dmax

12-12-2003, 04:25 PM

I found a good source for compact, but yet strong magnets. Old beat up microwave ovens! They use magnetrons and, as the name implies, these ovens consist of magnets. I went to the Goodwill store and bought an oldy but a goody for $7.99. You could find one at a garage sale as well.

It took 15 minutes to tear apart, providing two circular magnet disks. They are about 2 1/3 inch in diameter with about 3/4 inch diameter center opening. Edited by: Ray403Dmax

Amric

12-12-2003, 05:21 PM

Ray403Dmax

12-12-2003, 06:34 PM

One magnet is slightly thicker than the other at it comfortably holds a 5lb weight, no sliding. At 10lbs, the weight slides off.

On a wood bench I placed one 1/2 inch round headed screw at varying distances from the magnet and at about 3/4 of inch it slid (against table friction) to the magnet. If I vibrate the wood bench (somewhat reduces friction), it slides to the magnet when about an 1 inch away.

I'm searching for some thin scrap metal to test with. I want to see how much the thin fuel filter metal reduces the magnetic force. I suppose I could stack the magnets for even more magnetic pull.