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This was made for me by Bhaner!


Here is the recipie for Nuked Turbo#1

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif5x5 CJAT


4x4 Power Pup


Juicegrips on 'Gate


Season with WOT in 4th gear, then jump off pedal


lol 3100+RPMS and 3 flavours


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Deathcool..... Delvac....Diesel...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gifEdited by: Got Juice?

just Kuts plain ducking Kuts. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


What we need is "ONE" bigger turbo.


Easy to plumb http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif





Burner----------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

So what did you learn? Its not the power is lifting that cause bad stuff to happen. Dont take your foot outa it next time pusshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

Power lifting is bad... powerbarking is bad.... heck... barking is bad period!


Makes loud spinny things do 1 of 2 things


1:Get Louder (almost go boom)


2:Go Boom


All not good.


Ahh well. At least my Ebay feedback is goodhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

So what did you learn? Its not the power is lifting that cause bad stuff to happen. Dont take your foot outa it next time pusshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif





ROTFLMAO


Have to remember DON'T LIFT You guys kill me. Just got juiced and want more already, but posts like Got Juice's makes the wife hide the damn checkbook!!!

So what did you learn? Its not the power is lifting that cause bad stuff to happen. Dont take your foot outa it next time pusshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif





ROTFLMAO


Have to remember DON'T LIFT You guys kill me. Just got juiced and want more already, but posts like Got Juice's makes the wife hide the damn checkbook!!!





A stack alone will not harm anything except the tranny.


Juicegrips on the other hand are notoriously hard on turbos.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


DO NOT MOD THE LINE! DO NOT CLAMP THE LINE! DO NOT BLEED THE LINE!


JUST BACK AWAY!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I've barked my turbo a few times even with a regular 90 hp juice, probably could do it stock if i was acting stupid. Just remember to roll outa the throttle while in it hard like doing a hard run through the gears or doing a burn out, roll outa the throttle.......and then mash the brakes for all they are worth to avoid creaming an obstaclehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif


JMO but also dont run your juice over the 90hp level unless you dont mind doing a trany upgrade eventually.

i''ve yet to see anybody making anything other then scrap iron when modding the wastegate line.. nothing on a dyno, nothing on the track, nothing...

So your official stance as a Certified GM technician is that juice grips are not endorsed buy general motors as a proper tuning or diagnostic tool?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


You mind PMing me with you # Eric, cant seem to find yours at home.

i''ve yet to see anybody making anything other then scrap iron when modding the wastegate line.. nothing on a dyno, nothing on the track, nothing...


Geez you gotta start hanging around me more thenhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif i have made more, and then tried for more ... and just one more turn... scrap ironhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

So your official stance as a Certified GM technician is that juice grips are not endorsed buy general motors as a proper tuning or diagnostic tool?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


You mind PMing me with you # Eric, cant seem to find yours at home.





LMFAO........NO!

I got barks out of propane. Scared me a little when I first heard it. Did a power brake and she barked when I let off. No problems though.Edited by: hoot

I need to learn to keep the foot on the smoke pedal when I pull. Nothing barks like pushing on the clutchhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

I have grown to see there is nothing more fun than picking on Juice about his misfortune...

I have grown to see there is nothing more fun than picking on Juice about his misfortune...


Yup!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


I have good friends that keep reminding me toohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif like the one who made this little collage.


At every event, someone asks me when the hood is lifted for the show n shine if i need to borrow their juicegrips

I've searched Snap-On, Mac, Craftsman, friggin' everywhere. Even the turbo people don't have them. - Where can we all get those cool JuiceGrips? Wait, I see 'em. It's the same place my Ford buddy got his halon system for his radiator-- <A href="http://www.mushroomcloud.com" target="_blank">www.mushroomcloud (http://www.mushroomcloud).com</A> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

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How bad is it to bark your turbo? I know i've done it a few times but I just figured it was the wastegate and nothing more?


Jason

How bad is it to bark your turbo? I know i've done it a few times but I just figured it was the wastegate and nothing more?


Jason





It is bad to bark a turbo period. But there are worse barks than others IE: powerbarked upshifts in an automatic when fuelled hard enough under WOT. Lifting off the throttle suddenly (especially on an impending upshift) on a heavily fuelled truck.


Basically on a relatively mild fuel level +70 hp mild barking will not out and out destroy these turbos, they are very robust (IHI) but when fuelled higher, the surge potential is reached very quickly and in insane fuel cases can 'blow by' the wastegate.... barking now becomes a huge longevity issue if not one of wanton destruction.


The more power you add, the harder and faster you spool the turbo, and that is why the surge or bark is more common on a boosted DMX.


Rule#1 DO NOT F with the wastegate.... that 7LB cushion is there for a reason especially on over 70 hp. A banks wastegate will hold peak to peak pressure better than stock, but when set up to take full advantage of its response time, you are using up some safety margin to prevent barking.


I have posted what I believe to be 'sane' boost levels in the 550RWHP thread, and also 'not so safe' levels. If you follow those guidelines you should have a long turbo life. Turbos in general have a 50% safety margin in them for ultimate boost levels as a rule of thumb, but this IHI does not. stock is 18.7 post CAC w stock gate... fuelled with 90 hp and above should see 26 post cac..... 34 post cac is safe AS LONG AS YOU drive it smoothly. Beyond 34 post CAC stock or banks gate you are on the bleeding edge.

Wow, thanks for clearing that up for me! Let me get this straight though, so after going through the mud pit and getting to the end when I let off and hit the brakes to get stopped and the turbo makes the "wow,wow,wow" sound, thats a bark? If so I'm going to have to be a LOT more careful! Like I said before, I didnt think there was much wrong with that....oops!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif Also, when you list the boost levels post CAC, what is the CAC? Thanks again for the good clear response!


JasonEdited by: MaxFarmer

CAC= Charge Air Cooler / Intercooler.


Yup, that was some barking you heard. Let off gently when pulling, i know you are trying to avoid the 'bounce' , but a u-joint is quicker and faster and cheaper to change than a turbo.

That makes much more sense. One more question if you dont mind, Where is the attitude monitor getting its boost readings from? Pre or Post CAC?


Thanks for all the great info!


Jason

....... time to change that handle.....


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That makes much more sense. One more question if you dont mind, Where is the attitude monitor getting its boost readings from? Pre or Post CAC?


Thanks for all the great info!


Jason





IIRC the Attitude is taking the information from the MAP sensor of the turbo and then 'altering' it so the ecm does not see more than 26 lbs of boost... therefore no overboost code.... that is another reason to run a mechanical gauge post turbo and tapped into your intake manifold and not just a T into the wastegate..... the wastegate line method IMHO is slightly less accurate than post CAC as it only 'sees' the opening pressure in relation to the compressor discharge volute.. a very dynamic place especially with added fuel. But that is only my opinion (and possibly wrong, anyone want to chime in?) I prefer post CAC as it 'buffers' the compressed air charge (less fluctuation in needle especially spiking) and it tends to be more sensetive in relation to ambient conditions heat altitude etc.


That's my story, but there are smarter people on here than me, Kennedy, Dmaxallitech, Burner, Max Power, etc.

....... time to change that handle.....


Got Turbo? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif





Burner--------------&gt; http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif





OUCH!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley34.gif

How bad is it to bark your turbo? I know i've done it a few times but I just figured it was the wastegate and nothing more?


Jason





It is bad to bark a turbo period. But there are worse barks than others IE: powerbarked upshifts in an automatic when fuelled hard enough under WOT. Lifting off the throttle suddenly (especially on an impending upshift) on a heavily fuelled truck.


Basically on a relatively mild fuel level +70 hp mild barking will not out and out destroy these turbos, they are very robust (IHI) but when fuelled higher, the surge potential is reached very quickly and in insane fuel cases can 'blow by' the wastegate.... barking now becomes a huge longevity issue if not one of wanton destruction.


The more power you add, the harder and faster you spool the turbo, and that is why the surge or bark is more common on a boosted DMX.


Rule#1 DO NOT F with the wastegate.... that 7LB cushion is there for a reason especially on over 70 hp. A banks wastegate will hold peak to peak pressure better than stock, but when set up to take full advantage of its response time, you are using up some safety margin to prevent barking.


I have posted what I believe to be 'sane' boost levels in the 550RWHP thread, and also 'not so safe' levels. If you follow those guidelines you should have a long turbo life. Turbos in general have a 50% safety margin in them for ultimate boost levels as a rule of thumb, but this IHI does not. stock is 18.7 post CAC w stock gate... fuelled with 90 hp and above should see 26 post cac..... 34 post cac is safe AS LONG AS YOU drive it smoothly. Beyond 34 post CAC stock or banks gate you are on the bleeding edge.





Juice,


It almost sounds as if you talk from a personal experience or three. . . http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Dennis

How bad is it to bark your turbo? I know i've done it a few times but I just figured it was the wastegate and nothing more?


Jason





It is bad to bark a turbo period. But there are worse barks than others IE: powerbarked upshifts in an automatic when fuelled hard enough under WOT. Lifting off the throttle suddenly (especially on an impending upshift) on a heavily fuelled truck.


Basically on a relatively mild fuel level +70 hp mild barking will not out and out destroy these turbos, they are very robust (IHI) but when fuelled higher, the surge potential is reached very quickly and in insane fuel cases can 'blow by' the wastegate.... barking now becomes a huge longevity issue if not one of wanton destruction.


The more power you add, the harder and faster you spool the turbo, and that is why the surge or bark is more common on a boosted DMX.


Rule#1 DO NOT F with the wastegate.... that 7LB cushion is there for a reason especially on over 70 hp. A banks wastegate will hold peak to peak pressure better than stock, but when set up to take full advantage of its response time, you are using up some safety margin to prevent barking.


I have posted what I believe to be 'sane' boost levels in the 550RWHP thread, and also 'not so safe' levels. If you follow those guidelines you should have a long turbo life. Turbos in general have a 50% safety margin in them for ultimate boost levels as a rule of thumb, but this IHI does not. stock is 18.7 post CAC w stock gate... fuelled with 90 hp and above should see 26 post cac..... 34 post cac is safe AS LONG AS YOU drive it smoothly. Beyond 34 post CAC stock or banks gate you are on the bleeding edge.





Juice,


It almost sounds as if you talk from a personal experience or three. . . http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


Dennis





almost

The juice maxes its reading out at 25.6 psi. dont try screwing with your wastegate and use a attitude to keep dibs on it. Gota buy an actual gauge

The juice maxes its reading out at 25.6 psi. dont try screwing with your wastegate and use a attitude to keep dibs on it. Gota buy an actual gauge


no worries... i see another IHI turbo for sale on ebay.... i wonder if it is a reman though.... the impeller wheel has a yellow mark on it ... not the usual red/purple that i see on new units.


Eric, is the yellow reserved for remans?

The juice maxes its reading out at 25.6 psi. dont try
screwing with your wastegate and use a attitude to keep dibs on it.
Gota buy an actual gauge



I found out that if you set your boost alert at something like 27 or
28, the Attitude will bitch at you and flash the actual boost reading,
even if it is over 25.6. If it never hits the tripwire, it will
display 25.6 all day long (as long as boost is over that).



Dennis