After all the hype I duno.....think maybe I should just ditch it and go back to the hot juice. Wonder if Steve will give me a refund? Comon sense is trying to prevail here and its saying I'm going to get myself into way too much trouble with this program. This program is nucking futtyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif. I put the Extreme in my truck with a 100% stock fuel system and a fresh fuel filter. Biggest problem I ran into was that goofy plastic cover thingy protecting the wiring harness. Went to pick up my bud and by the time i got over there it was warm and ready to rock and roll. He has rode with me with the hot OJ and made a couple passes with me at the strip turning 14.1(hes a big guy, over 300#) I mashed it from a stop and wow, nice low end.....yup pissed off tires, hitting 70 way too fast. He made the comment "Holy _ that is nucking futts" yeah.....thats what I was thinking. We both sounded like Bevis and but head for a couple minutes, huh huh huh huh.....couldnt stop laughing. So we take off to a spot were a few highschoolers and other people sit out and hang to see if we can drum up a race. For an hour, no takers, I'm pretty sure everybody thought I was FOS. Finally talked to a kid with a brand new GT stang(he had it 2 weeks) and he said alright. We launched and I thought maybe he put his car in the wrong gear, seemed like he launched in reversehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I glanced at my speedo and saw 60mph and looked in my rearview to see him way back there flashing his lights.....he pulled up and his passenger said something about my truck being "nucking futs" seems like a reoccuring statement herehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif. Got back to the place and one of his buds that didnt go asked him to explain how he got stomped buy a big PU truckhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif....kid was pretty cool though. Man does it blow smokehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Very driveable and no hiccups I have found in my limited seat time except for a twitchy touchy pedal at low throttle positions, if your not carefull it will almost induce a "surge" type feeling depending what you are doing.


Tonight I'm going to go play and have my friend burry his head in my scanner and see what rail pressure is droping too and what kinda rpm we are swinging. Dont think the ally is 100% trained yet so it is hard to tell 100% but I think she is swinging too much rpm durring the shift. The raised limiter of the TTS keeps it from doing that fall on its face bounce off the rev limiter stuff though but I dont *think* things are keeping up. Need some more testing though before i say though....plan on installing a lift pum

Well congrats on the new setup...

Steve does a wonderful job at pushing us over the hill onto the greasy side doesn't he? Your rail pressure will be way down with out the lift pump. Add that, then the N2O, and WATCH OUT! Don't try this at home if you have a pacemaker, or are pregnant.

First all you guys struggling with the ECM cover it comes off real easy if you find the slot for the flatblade screwdriver insert. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Give your tranny some time mine shifts absolutely beautifull on the up shifts after some extensive driving time.


Not so pretty first thing in the morning although that 1-2 will ,lets just say ouch when your babying it for a warm up.


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

ECM cover was easy enough.....it was that grey cover deal covering the back of the harness that you yank to stick the controll wire into. Goofy little SOB.


Dont doubt it on the rail pressure. Going to have a looksie tonight for grins. Waiting on a pump set up the is supposed to be coming anyday now, any day now..... Unless I'm nuts I think with 1/2 tank of fuel it aint making the power it did when full. Dosnt supprise me though.


Its hard watching all the gauges and such while driving since you eat up road scarry fast when your on it and its best to pay attention to whats in front of you. Will have a bud watch the gauges or maybe drive while I pay attention to em. Probably dont want to look at the pyro thoughhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pinch.gif Although it seems at a cruise the 80 hp tune and even the extreme run cooler egts than the juice even when the juice was turned down. Duno though? Not quite sure. And I think my pyro has been wierd lately anyway.


You guys have Steve's latest version???

It has always run cooler for me than other tunes do. The version I have is the newer one as well. I know what you mean about looking at the gages while running hard.

Ratlover,


Freakin' awesome, isn't it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Try the 120 on the TTS and the HJ level 2 0r 3 LBF 0. It's great for around town (not near as much smoke as the 200). I got the Extreme Saturday morning and the Allison is finally starting to settle down. Enjoy!


Josh

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Wonder if there is enough fuel there to spray on top of?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Boy does traffic love mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Going to take a road trip tonight with my bud driving or riding looking at my scanner to see what my rail pressure is doing. Just for grins. And a few other things I am curious about.


It did seem to get rid of the lazy 5-4 downshift from 60mph or so I had beforehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


I have my juice totaly yanked now. It will go in pretty soon with the stock ecm since I cant turn the extreme down low enough to plow snow. I think this is about my only gripe thusfar. I wish I could get a 30 hp tune or have a stock tune and get rid of the 120 tune. If you have 120 you might as well have the full on nuts programhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif I think I have decided that there is no need to stack, your just screwing with what someone that knows what they are doing in a hit or miss proposition. I trust Steve to get the most reliable/driveable HP and I dont feel like second guessing him and screwing with his stuff.


3 solid days of an Extremely happy Dmax owner.

The 120 Race stacks well with the Edge don't disscredit it as a non performer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


The Edge will need to be completely divorced to run the Xtreme, I found anyway.





Mac

Dont doubt its #'s, I see some peoples sigshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


Be nice if edges 0 tune didnt screw with anythinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

ratlover wrote:


"I wish I could get a 30 hp tune or have a stock tune and get rid of the 120 tune."


I was thinking that might be the best way to go also. 30/80/Extreme is anyone else of the same opinion or do you guys like it just the way it is?


My truck is still vacationing at Steve's shop and I was thinking of asking him to change the program to that tune. Any opinions?


Edited by: Desert Diesel

I might have to try to bribe Steve with a case of tea to see if I can con him into zaping a low tune into mine. Wonder how fast i could plow snow with the Extreme?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

Philip, out of curiousity what is the max RPM you are seeing at shifts. And how about the rest of you...looks like all Suncoast in this thread. Any ATS guys to chime in on this?

I put her into fast learn when I put the Extreme in. I havent gotten a good feel for it. I think it has finnaly gotten itself trained? I need to go out with my bud driving and me paying attention to the gauges and my scanner. I have noticed 3500 but i have also seen it click em off at 3200 or so at WFO. 1-2 seems like it gets up there regardless but breaking traction may have a part too in addidtion to no lock up? This is another thing I am curious about.


It also seemed easier to test the juice and lower programs. This thing gets peoples attention and gets up there in a hurry. Cant do testing in same places as before, need to cruise more out to the sticks.


Probably have an idea weather my Suncoast level 3 is getting it done with the current set up soon. Who knows what shell do when I start bottle feeding my baby. We will see how the converter/trans deals with it. I dont doubt it living just unsure if there will be ET to be had?


Duno still clueless and need more testinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


One nice thing is it HASNT hit over 3500 even when she was getting trained and it kept on pull(albeit probably slipping the crap outa my clutches)


Its real hard to get a good feel for things when you are driving. Pretty much impossible to pay good attention to the gauges and such and fugetabout looking at a scanner, glancing at a gauge or 2 intermitently is the best you can hope for if you dont want to run over a civic or run outa road with the extreme.

You got that right it is near impossible to watch boost,egt,rpm,mph,little Ole ladies,cars ,buses,trucks,dogs and cops let alone a Tech II.


Your eating up so much asphalt you need a co-pilot.


Drive it and don't worry!!


Mac

Philip, out of curiousity what is the max RPM you are seeing at shifts. And how about the rest of you...looks like all Suncoast in this thread. Any ATS guys to chime in on this?


Motovet,


I don't think it really matters what an ATS does, you already bought Suncoast and as everybody knows they are the best. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif


On Edit: The bottom line is every time an ATS guy chimes in about what an ATS trans does differently than a Suncoast (stage whatever), we get blasted.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif


"Suncoast" there is no substitute! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gifEdited by: Trippin

Well I had the oportunity to ride in an ATS equipped truck over the weekend with my tune and....there is a difference. Mine will bounce off the limiter and the ATS snapped em off at 3,000 rpm every time. Not that I don't like my SC111....I do, just that under the same power they work differently. I guess I am mostly interested in how much the increased rev limiter on the TTS is masking this situation....if at all?

Well I had the oportunity to ride in an ATS equipped truck over the weekend with my tune and....there is a difference. Mine will bounce off the limiter and the ATS snapped em off at 3,000 rpm every time. Not that I don't like my SC111....I do, just that under the same power they work differently. I guess I am mostly interested in how much the increased rev limiter on the TTS is masking this situation....if at all?


The TTS Xtreme does not mask anything, it's the power that makes the big difference. I've watched an ATS equipped truck with the Xtreme program go right up to 3450 and then shift and I've seen the Suncoast Stage V do the same thing. So when playing with lower powered programs they will all shift sooner. The problem is it takes x time to complete the shift and when the power is high the engine increases more RPM in the same x time than a lower powered program.

Well I had the oportunity to ride in an ATS equipped truck over the weekend with my tune and....there is a difference. Mine will bounce off the limiter and the ATS snapped em off at 3,000 rpm every time. Not that I don't like my SC111....I do, just that under the same power they work differently. I guess I am mostly interested in how much the increased rev limiter on the TTS is masking this situation....if at all?


I'll check mine for you on the way home tonight, and report. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

Are we taking bets on shift points or does looking at the data logs mean I'm cheating. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif

Are we taking bets on shift points or does looking at the data logs mean I'm cheating. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif





Your the man with the info.....I'm just a humble "Lab Rat!" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

The big VA has the power to hit the limiter on my truck, but with the SAME box the ATS truck shifted flawlessly at 3,000 RPM every time. I am just wondering as I know others have, is the increased pressure and Co- Pilot coming into play? The icreased RPM's with more power at shift points is converter slippage...is it not?Edited by: motovet

The big VA has the power to hit the limiter on my truck, but with the SAME box the ATS truck shifted flawlessly at 3,000 RPM every time. I am just wondering as I know others have, is the increased pressure and Co- Pilot coming into play?


Perhaps the increased pressure helps with the response time of the trans, shift to shift. Perhaps the ATS converter is a little tighter. Perhaps the CoPilot locks the converter and does not unlock it between shifts. Perhaps unlocking between shifts might allow the engine to blow by the fluid coupling in a slightly looser converter.

I was told by the guys at ATS that the co-pilot shows the alli computer what it needs to see when it needs to see it. The alli is totally computer controled and installing a hydraulic altering shift kit can sometimes show the computer something it does not agree with. They were very specific in telling me they were not trying to convince me to purchase their stuff but that after they explained how it worked I could decide on whatever I wanted. I thought that was a cool approach with no pressure. I have installed it and am now a beleiver, I AM NOT DISSING ANY OTHER PRODUCT just very happy w/ my choice.


I am sure the suncoast works very well I have only personaly known 1 person with the suncoast and he told me "sometimes it acts kinda funny" probably an isolated problem but the ATS has done great for me it is nice to be able to turn it on or off.

I hate to say it but ATS also tells everyone that they do not raise line pressure except when the co-pilot tells it too. We have proven that to be total BS! They include a spring to raise line pressure in their total package kit and drill a hole in the valve body that not only raises the line pressure but does it 100% of the time. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif The only thing that see's lower pressure is the clutch packs unless the co-pilot is turned on. Check with Trippin as he has watched the gauges for himself! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif I am glad your happy but they are mis informing you on what it does and does not do. I would suggest that you run with the co-pilot off and switch it on when hot roding or racing. You will find it works much better that way.

The big VA has the power to hit the limiter on my truck, but with the SAME box the ATS truck shifted flawlessly at 3,000 RPM every time. I am just wondering as I know others have, is the increased pressure and Co- Pilot coming into play? The icreased RPM's with more power at shift points is converter slippage...is it not?


Several things here, different trucks with different boxes do not always work the same. The increase pressure with a complete ATS does come into play but in several ways. Since they run max line pressure 100% of the time (375 psi Vs 250 psi) it wears pumps out faster, it wears seals out faster, it wears pistions out faster, it makes clutches last longer if co-pilot is turned on and shifts faster if co-pilot is on. When the computer sees the quicker shift it begins to adjust the factory settings down to slow the shift. So there are good sides and bad sides to what they are doing. For long life of the transmission it's bad, for long life on the clutches it's good. I know there can be a much better balance than what they have done.


If you have looked at the Converter with a Tech II you will see that the converter locks in second gear when at full throttle and stays locked up through the gears. So if the converter is slipping something else is wrong. If in Tow/Haul it locks faster in second gear than with out it in Tow/Haul.

The big VA has the power to hit the limiter on my truck, but with the SAME box the ATS truck shifted flawlessly at 3,000 RPM every time. I am just wondering as I know others have, is the increased pressure and Co- Pilot coming into play? The icreased RPM's with more power at shift points is converter slippage...is it not?


Several things here, different trucks with different boxes do not always work the same. The increase pressure with a complete ATS does come into play but in several ways. Since they run max line pressure 100% of the time (375 psi Vs 250 psi) it wears pumps out faster, it wears seals out faster, it wears pistions out faster, it makes clutches last longer if co-pilot is turned on and shifts faster if co-pilot is on. When the computer sees the quicker shift it begins to adjust the factory settings down to slow the shift. So there are good sides and bad sides to what they are doing. For long life of the transmission it's bad, for long life on the clutches it's good. I know there can be a much better balance than what they have done.


If you have looked at the Converter with a Tech II you will see that the converter locks in second gear when at full throttle and stays locked up through the gears. So if the converter is slipping something else is wrong. If in Tow/Haul it locks faster in second gear than with out it in Tow/Haul.





Now now, let's not jump ahead here. The hypothesis is, the line pressure is going to wear out the pump and seals faster, we are 17,000 miles into a 100,000 mile test to see if I can destroy the trans with Xtreme power before the line pressure wears it out from inside. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

I don't know if there is anyone over 30k on either the ATS or Suncoast. I only have 15-16k on my ATS, but have never turned off the co-pilot. I am hoping for 100-200k of reliable service running nothing less than a 200hp tune. I even tow using the highest tunes, and give it hell on the on ramps. So far I have never seen a shift rev past 3200rpm, and it shifts as good as when new. Only time will tell if the seals and pump will last, but I think they will. If not, a quick rebuilt and I'm back in business.

Now back on topic. I'm getting more and more curious to try out the Extreme. Can't wait to see what is coming in the next version.

SDaver has over 50k on his SunCoast Stage V....... no problems.

OK some good info. So what I'm hearing is the TCM says shift but before it happens the rev limiter can be hit because things are moving much faster than was designed? Or in other words the shift communication is not fast enough at these power levels to shift before the limiter kicks in? If all this is true then increasing the RPM limit will hurt nothing and only remove the possibility of reaching it. What am I saying.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif This make any sense?

Did some more driving and shifts are getting better I believe?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif This is actually confusing me since I woulda thought in fast learn the ally woulda figured things out soonerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


Any who......upshifts are now clicking off right were they were with the hot oj and even stock. Well, I didnt try any 4x4 launches with boost(actaully my friend was driving and i wasnt going to have him do it) so I can really comment on the 1-2 shift under hard accel. Although with the kennedy VA 1-2 wasnt a problem but other gears were?


Now hold off on the I told you so's, I always believed you Steve when you told me it wouldhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif Fuel rail pressure is dropping hard without a lift pump. Its hard to say exactly since it recovers a bit between gears and the numbers move fast. Also different in different gears. Also cant get my scanner to display anything other than Mpa for the fuel railhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif All test were with a full tank of fuel.


I also am pretty sure you dont alter the trans at all do you?


I aint going to hate on you ATS guyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif If there is a better way to do things I am all for it. At the time I made my purchase I thought SC was the way to go. If my view changes i will probably try something else. I aint gota problem saying I bought the wrong thing and blew my money. It really isnt a direct reflection of the size of your manhood if you make a good or bad decision with a part.


Yes motovet, what you are saying makes sense. This was defiantly coming into play when I was training my alli with the TTS tune, I was getting ahead of it but it still wasnt bouncing off the limiter. With the Big VA box i borrowed from brandon and ran for a bit it was bouncing off the limiter bad. Would it clear up on my truck eventually??? Duno, I just played with it on the street and made maybe 10 runs through the gears and then 3 runs down the track. Or was the bouncing off the limiter causing it to not train right and get with the program??? Duno, it didnt really seem to get much better on my truck. Like trippin was mentioning, would a tighter converter, locking up different, quicker shifts, ect help the Big VA or even gain some time with any program??? I am very curious about this if there is any way to furthur improve my ally while maintaining the excellent driveabliity and what I believe long life expectancy on my SCIII.Edited by: ratlover

I'm reading here what appears to be the same street characteristic for the Extreme as my new (updated) Quad 215 has. What we need to see now is RAtlover to go to the track and post the new times vs old.


If I have followed this website posts correctly, the Exterme is capable of pushing a Duramax to the low to mid 13s in a quarter mile with no Nos or propane. So can the Quad 215. hm.....Also both respond to Nos. I think these boxes have reached the limit of our trucks without Nos or propane.


One thing that needs to be clarified is whether you can stack with the Extreme and get into the 12s.

All TTS Tunes modify the transmission code in the ECM, something we do and no one else does. It cannot cover up for the high Hp tunes but it does help out the lower Hp tunes, this is why we co developed the Transgo shift kit. It fills in where we could not, but was only designed for the Race program and lower power tunes. We did test the kit with the Xtreme tune and our TTS Single plate converter and it all worked fine but no long term testing was done as that was outside of what we set out to do. We have since been testing other transmission modifications and our triple lock converter and those things may come to market after the first of the year. What is happening is not a communications problem but a mechanical problem. The TCM uses adaptive shift logic that adjust the trim valves to control how long the shift takes. So if it see's a shift that is too short it will change the learned value for the next shift to adjust for it. Over time this will bring the shifts into what it thinks is a proper time window. The inverse is also true in that if it takes to long to shift it adjust the learn value to speed up the shift. Now this is where the problem lies, if we speed the shift up to much the TCM over time will unadjust to slow it down again. So we need to keep the TCM happy and this is what the Transgo kit does. With high Hp it needs more than what the Transgo was setup for so we need to help it more only under High Hp shifts. I had hoped that the Suncoast, ATS and others would have figured it out but that doesn't seem to be the case at this time. When we tested the ATS setup we found that the co-pilot did not keep the TCM happy for long periods of time, but we did find if you left it off and allowed the transmission to learn it shifted good for normal driving. Then turn the co-pilot on with it setup for firm shifts when hot rodding around and racing. This allowed for good firm shifts when racing as the TCM does not have enough time to unlearn the shift time this way. Then turn the co-pilot back off in normal driving. We have not tested the Suncoast ourselves but only get the reports from our customers that use them.


As far as stacking the Xtreme to get into the 12's, we already have trucks running in the 12's with just the Xtreme and nothing else! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif The 11's have already been reached with the Xtreme and NOS only. SD is looking for 10's with the Xtreme, NOS and Propane, we see if he is the first.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif Excelent info, thatnks. Hate it that my trans is smarter than me, making things difficulthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif


Things may come to market after the first? GetR done already. Need any testers?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


Planned on seeing what the SC would do at the track.....wondering if a copilot would help any/much for what you described. Artificially crank it up at the track before it knows what hit it and can try to soften itself up. Its hard trying to outthink my trans, I dont think I could outthink a PG let alone a damn trans with a computer brain and a mind of its own.


I plan and dont think 12's on just the extreme is outa line on my truck.Edited by: ratlover

What could ATS and Suncoast do to keep things happy at all times? I have considered a Co- Pilot on the SC too as someone here has already done this with positive results though not a total fix I believe. Is it really as easy as just increasing rev limiter for now....to clean up the shifts...not hurting anything in the long run?

yeah, what Motovet ask.


Would the Suncoast benifit from Co-pilot ? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

If the trans isnt shifting quick enough to get the job done then the innards are slipping. You are going to lose power to the wheels and also that cant be good on the trans. The Extreme/SCIII seems to be clicking em off fine though on my truck? Maybe when it gets fuel and the rail pressure stops droping it wont? Maybe with more goodies on the Extreme? Maybe it wont make a difference? Maybe the SC needs help maybe it dosnt? Maybe it needs help internaly maybe its with electronics, maybe the copilot is the answer mayeb.....Maybe Elvis and Hoffa are having brunch with JFK?


Steve, inbound PM.

I don't know if there is anyone over 30k on either the ATS or Suncoast. I only have 15-16k on my ATS, but have never turned off the co-pilot. I am hoping for 100-200k of reliable service running nothing less than a 200hp tune. I even tow using the highest tunes, and give it hell on the on ramps. So far I have never seen a shift rev past 3200rpm, and it shifts as good as when new. Only time will tell if the seals and pump will last, but I think they will. If not, a quick rebuilt and I'm back in business.

Now back on topic. I'm getting more and more curious to try out the Extreme. Can't wait to see what is coming in the next version.




I have 30K of snot-pounding miles out of my Suncoast so far. Almost 5K in September alone with a ton of dyno and track passes. Three 15lb bottles worth of N20. Works like a champ to date.

"Three 15lb bottles worth of N20."


That's it?!? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

"Three 15lb bottles worth of N20."


That's it?!? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





That's gotta be 3 passes in Sp33d's world! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

"Three 15lb bottles worth of N20."


That's it?!? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





That's gotta be 3 passes in Sp33d's world! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Those 3 bottles were for 'in cab use only' i bethttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

All TTS Tunes modify the transmission code in
the ECM, something we do and no one else does. It cannot cover up for
the high Hp tunes but it does help out the lower Hp tunes, this is why
we co developed the Transgo shift kit. It fills in where we could not,
but was only designed for the Race program and lower power tunes. We
did test the kit with the <font color="#ff0000">Xtreme</font> tune and
our TTS Single plate converter and it all worked fine but no long term
testing was done as that was outside of what we set out to do. We have
since been testing other transmission modifications and our triple lock
converter and those things may come to market after the first of the
year. What is happening is not a communications problem but a
mechanical problem. The TCM uses adaptive shift logic that adjust the
trim valves to control how long the shift takes. So if it see's a shift
that is too short it will change the learned value for the next shift
to adjust for it. Over time this will bring the shifts into what it
thinks is a proper time window. The inverse is also true in that if it
takes to long to shift it adjust the learn value to speed up the shift.
Now this is where the problem lies, if we speed the shift up to much
the TCM over time will unadjust to slow it down again. So we need to
keep the TCM happy and this is what the Transgo kit does. With high Hp
it needs more than what the Transgo was setup for so we need to help it
more only under High Hp shifts. I had hoped that the Suncoast, ATS
and others would have figured it out but that doesn't seem to be
the case at this time. When we tested the ATS setup we found that the
co-pilot did not keep the TCM happy for long periods of time, but we
did find if you left it off and allowed the transmission to learn it
shifted good for normal driving. Then turn the co-pilot on with it
setup for firm shifts when hot rodding around and racing. This allowed
for good firm shifts when racing as the TCM does not have enough time
to unlearn the shift time this way. Then turn the co-pilot back off in
normal driving. We have not tested the Suncoast ourselves but only get
the reports from our customers that use them.


As far as stacking the <font color="#ff0000">Xtreme</font> to get into the 12's, we already have trucks running in the 12's with just the <font color="#ff0000">Xtreme</font> and nothing else! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif The 11's have already been reached with the <font color="#ff0000">Xtreme</font> and <font color="#0000ff">NOS</font> only. SD is looking for 10's with the <font color="#ff0000">Xtreme</font>, <font color="#0000ff">NOS</font> and <font color="#000000">Propane</font>, we see if he is the first.







Would be cool if you could build a window of parameters for each power
level. So the TCM doesn't go out of the shift time window at a specific power setting.

Edited by: hoot

I have seen 13.35 ET on my Extreme/SC-III.........


Shifts are very quick and clean, even under full throttle.....


I beleive with a little more boost leaving a few less lbs I will be knocking on 13.00 or maybe 12.99 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif


I will be ading some NOS in the spring.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


Brandon was right, fat girls don't need diets, just a ltille help....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





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Hoot the windows are in the TCM and not in the ECM which is what we reprogram. The time needed to figure the code out in the TCM just doesn't look like we could ever break even on our investment. We sell 500 Tow tunes to 5 Race tunes and what we've done solves the issues in these cases. The Xtreme tunes are not event on the radar screen, it's what I call the 1/2% group. It requires the most work and the least return on investment. We ship about 2000 tunes a month for different applications and about 500 D-maxes a month and maybe 2 of these are Xtreme's. Sorry but were in business like everyone else, the problem is I like the hot rod stuff so I do it but I need to take care of the other stuff first as it pays the bills. I'm the only one that does the Xtreme programs here so it takes me sometime to get them done with the rest of what I do here. If things change maybe I will have some time to look at the TCM but as of now I'm not event looking at it.

Diesel Tech,


I will assure you, the hot rod fanatics that have your products appreciate all your efforts. Keep it up. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

"Three 15lb bottles worth of N20."


That's it?!? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif





Just this month! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Thanks for building something for the 1/2%ers.

Most worderful job with the work Steve. I know what you mean about the time thing. Just not enough of it. PROUD 1/2%er.