Man, whats the deal with the price of diesel? It's gone up .20 in the last week down here in New Mexico. Maybe the hurricane that blew through the gulf? News said it killed off some output during that time. Or, just greedy oil companys. How much you guys pay? It's up to $2.05 out here. LAME!


Ken R.

Today 2.11 for diesel 1.97 for gas what a joke

A great site to get an idea of diesel prices nationwide is:


http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm


Of course, these are truck stop prices.


The oil companies have been holding inventories low, which exposes us to price gyrations in supply disruptions. Plus, crude oil is nearing $50 a barrel again, and we are going into the heating season.


In much of the country, #2 heating oil, a.k.a. untaxed diesel, is flying up in price. I am glad I prepaid for my supply this winter. The present local market price is at least 25 cents higher than my pre-pay price negotiated less than 2 months ago.

I have seen 2.17 to 2.39 here in SoCal......ugh

Shell went from 1.89 to 1.98 to 2.09 in 3 days...amazing. It is time to regulate the Oil companies...they cant do it themselves.

$1.82 diesel & $1.74 unleaded. Outside of Denver

Just filled up 2.09.

Bad deal guys and I hate to say this but our leader is a oil man and while on the subject Williams Petroleum in Tulsa OK was handed a Indightment(sp) or what ever you call them things when you are in trouble with the law, for donations to the Bush nomination fund for his last election. Here we go again.


Geno


Diesel here is in the high $1.70 to $1.85Edited by: geno

Just paid $2.02 in the Western Burbs of Chicago. What a rip off.

I filled up Monday at $1.79 Athens Ga

$1.80 w/ Wally World card. Up a dime this week.

Supply and demand.........

The guys with the oil supply it to China and the USA demands more at lower prices.

Read whats going on with China's exponential growth spurt and their oil usage.

They have increased the oil need by 40% in the last 7 months. And there is no end in site. China is sucking up all our oil.

You better buy all you can get at 2 bucks a gallon cuz this time next year it will be 3.50/gallon.

Supply and demand.........

The guys with the oil supply it to China and the USA demands more at lower prices.

Read whats going on with China's exponential growth spurt and their oil usage.

They have increased the oil need by 40% in the last 7 months. And there is no end in site. China is sucking up all our oil.



China needs it to process all that steel they've been buying uphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif.


And to ship it back to ushttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif.

i knoe the prices are high, but WHY is diesel going up and cost more than gas, and gas is going down????? DONT make sense.... cant wait to see when winter hits, probly be over 2.50 here since its already over 2.00 noe and gas is at 1.90..

Yeah Id say way over 2.50 for winter. Last winter I was paying 2.49/gal.

And the fuel was 1.39 during summer. This time last year it was .80 cents a gallon cheaper.

Gas during winter was like a buck 68.

I really dislike paying more then gasoline since diesel is a by-product of gasoline production. Basically the slag off the top.

What we need to do is start pumping more of our own oil and using it ourselves instead of relying on getting supplied from other countries or waiting for the oil mob.... (oops, I mean OPEC) to meet and agree to increase production. Or, we can all agree on the forum that we will all start visiting our local fast food joints, reclaim their used oil, and make our own french fry fuel.

1.73-1.79 in wyoming

1.95 in Mid Mich today. Darn ripoff.....


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif

Payed $1.93 in south Florida.

2.39 today all over town....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

It is at the pump first.....then it is going to be in our stores, higher prices. Because if this keeps up the shipping cost needs to go up(they already need to be up). If shipping does not go up then we are going to faced with a much bigger problem. That would be a truck and driver shortage, there are way to many companies lossing money over this fuel price rise.


Milk $5.00, box of cereal $7.00, just some food for thought. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Look how much fuel went up past couple of years.....about 50-60% maybe higher. Has our products that we require daily gone up by this much?


This problem will only get worse.

The problem is China. Their economy is going gangbusters...and they're sucking up all raw materials, including fuel. Everything is going to go up. Brace yourselves, kids....we ain't seen nothin yet.


Doesnt help that the oil companies are greedy scum.


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif

<font size="1">Boycott</font>

If there is a boycott with the big rigs you better stock up on food.

Beat me to it Wake


Big rigs will soon get together and boycot and if they do then the Pres will have to step in and if they (oil co's) have not bought him off then maybe something will be done.


Big Rigs boycot, this USofA will be in the hurt.


Geno

Some of you guys make me sick when you cast blame on the oil companies but continue to demand petroleum products. Crude oil 30 years ago was $28 dollars a barrel and .30 at the pump. Check the numbers to other cost today as compared to the yester years. 12K house then 20K now 200K or better. Automobiles the same. Do the math http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Today Crude oil is $47. Do the math again. That would equate to a diesel cost of well over $3 a gallon today. Bet your salaries increased more than 50% in the last 30 years. Every year more and more oil companies go out of buisness. Wonder why if they are making a killing off the public. Never saw someone who was making money hand over fist go out of business. Hurricane Ivan alone cost my company an estimated 1.3 Billion in damage and halted well over 100,000 BBls oil a day production as the bulk of oil production comes from the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. Salaries and over head also continue. More than likely more small companies will fold after this hurricane. We put up with this in the gulf states not to mention other things we loose. So cut the wining and go out and buy a volkswagon if it hurts that bad.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

We'll ignor Mr.Bear.

Truckers are thinking about a protest of some sort? Haven't heard anything up here.

Every year more and more oil companies go out of buisness. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif





I am crying a river as you read this.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

well i will up my prediction for prices... i paid 2.07 yesterday, up about .11 cents in a week.. i bet all of $2.75/gallon here this winter..... checked the local flying J price on the web they are at $2.11 already.... and to think in may i was paying 1.59.....





As for A-bear, those oil companies are making a KILLING, last i saw was RECORD PROFITS from all the major oil companies, and look at thier stock prices it relfects the major income they are making.... as for small oil compaines going out of business, look around the whole economy, small buisness's are going down in ALL sectors, not just the oil arena....The way i see it prices have gone up over 30% in 8 months, i know my salary has not gone up in over 3-4 years due to the bad economy let alone 30% in 8 months, if my pay ( or the avergage americans pay)was going up according to the cost of living i wouldnt care so much... the average american is going backwards in todays economy not forwards.....





Still no reason for diesel to cost .10-.15 more a gallon than gas at this time of year...

We'll ignor Mr.Bear.

Truckers are thinking about a protest of some sort? Haven't heard anything up here.


Evidently you didn't read the post well. The trend of oil prices is well below the rate of cost of living increases over the past years. Just as you would not sell something for less than it cost to produce oil companies can't either or they would be out of business and we all would suffer. You haven't a clew on how much it cost to produce a barrel of oil so how can you try to determine the price you should pay. Try a drilling rig for example @ $150,000 a day for a year or helicopter transportation @ $28 per minute. Add in Royalties the government recieves, highway taxes, etc.,etc. If you believe Oil companies set the prices we see I suggest you come down south and let the snow melt away from that void area between your ears so you can think a little clearer. Maybe you should get an education on the subject before you continue to prove to everyone here just how ignorant you are. So picket away. It will change nothing because the only result will be higher prices as production will become non profitable and wells will be shut in with layoffs soon to follow including yourself. The reason you see price fluctuatuions is nothing more than keeping everything in ballance from the wellhead to the pump. I don't think the Govt. will allow one party to get rich while the other suffers. Most people that are educated in this area are in the know. You are not one of those people.

Paid $2.09 today and when I was paying gas staion girl said you bought diesel at the right time as in a hour price goes to $2.17.


At that price it is higher than Premium Unleaded makes absolutely NO sence.


I do believe we just might see $3 bucks a gallon this year. If so I'll park it.





Mac

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lets get past the " trend of oil prices over the past 30 years as compared to cars and houses" for a minute here, that was not my point...





Take a look at this graph and explain to me why diesel is going up at a rate of 2-3 times that of gas in the past year, they both are made from that same barrel of crude, and diesel takes less refining?? so why is diesel more than gas in price increases and overall price??? could it be that since more people are buying diesels they decided its time to get more profit from that sector of the business???? nah they wouldnt do that.... as i said before big oil companies are making RECORD profits, we are all going to be paying for that, the price at the pump is just the biggining, groceries go up due to increased shipping, people all have to charge more for their stuff, it just snowballs from there...

Explain the price jump prior to every major travel holiday.....never saw such jumps until recently so I don't buy the supply & demand explanantion. Coincidence. I don't think so!

I will plead ignorance. Yep. Why does the cost of gas jump 10 cents a litre, just before the weekend (every weekend) then slowly dwindle down, before going up again? Oil companies are still making record profits? Sine you're in the "know" how about letting me know?

No hostility here. But people are getting fed up.

Something needs to be done. Period.

Boy, exxon mobil looks like its really hurting this year on its stocks?????? nah just kidding..... wish my stocks in my 401k were doing this well....





http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/178_diesel1.jpg

BTW their record profits are happening as the market in whole keeps going down....





??? anybody know how much better the mileage is with the juice on level 2 instead of 5 all the time??? i turned her down yesterday!!


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/929_diesel2.jpg





Edited by: gsxr1216

that is why I have stock in exxon mobil

Believe me guys I know your frustration. I also cringe every time it cost me $40 + dollars to fill my truck. I am no different. If you research most oil companies their stock is no where near Exxon Mobile. Exxon/Mobile is a company that is encompasses much more than just the oil and gas market. The stock on most companies that are strictly oil and gas just follow the combined market. One other thing to consider is that most profits are reinvested (cash flow) into costly future exploration, drilling and production to keep reserves up which also result in stable prices. If not reserves would drop causing further price increases. The economy also suffers as a whole as more work moves overseas where labor is cheaper. Look at where our steel industry and others are these days. We hurt together. It always looks bad on oil companies because the numbers are so huge for the public to see but the costs of finding and developing are also huge. Lets also remember that oil prices are not controlled by oil companies. We should also remember that this is a fluctuating market based on US reserves and changes in import volumes. If you really look at it the biggest mark up is after the barrel. If prices become un affordable for me I will also park it more but I honestly can't cast the blame where it is not deserved. I know I will probably come up on the short end of the stick no matter what I say here so I will just leave this one alone. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

John Kerry is the one proposing a $.50/gallon fuel tax to fund trains and alternative fuels.


No thanks! I'll be voting for Bush!

I wonder if part of the problem with Diesel is the new fuel--which is already here in california.


It probably takes a while to get the supplies built up.


Maybe some of the oil experts can comment further.


As a side note: Shell oil company tried to close one of its "unproductive" refineries in Bakersfield California--it produces 6% of the states Diesel.


Well politicians made them sell it--which they claimed no one would buy.


They got 20 serious offers.


Shell's case is a clear case of the company wanted to maintain a tight supply to keep prices high.

John Kerry is the one proposing a $.50/gallon fuel tax to fund trains and alternative fuels.


No thanks! I'll be voting for Bush!





Bush also here but for many reasons.


IMH I don't believe there are any oil companies US based that have the capacity to disrupt oil prices. The Middle East well thats another story. US oil companies will not attempt to cut production due to the time value of the dollar. A quicker depletion of the reservoir will yield more profit. Ex. A quicker depletion will shorten the time in which cost associated with the field will have to be maintained. ie Labor, Transportation, Boats, maintenance and many others. This is another reason oil companies can't cut production for the sake of raising prices.

Well fella's, come to Connecticut and lick your wounds. It's only $2.30 a gallon for diesel up here. Maybe if Bush wins the election prices will relax, but if he loses.....

Just paid 2.29 yesterday. Cost me $52.00 to fill up, but I was damn near empty.

I just put $71 CDN in. Beat my old record of $65 CDN. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

According to the Detroit Free Press, demand for diesel fuel is up 6% while demand for gasoline is up less than 2%. I paid $1.96 for Amoco Premier during lunch today in Lansing, MI.


http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/oil28e_20040928.htm (http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/oil28e_20040928.htm)

Super was 1.98 and diesel was 1.99 on the way in this morning. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif I turned the J/A to 0 yesterday and have been poking around like a gandma. If I didn't know better, I would say that my mileage is getting worse. A watched gauge goes down faster? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif When fuel was more than regular, okay. When fuel was as much as premium, well ..... all right. Now that fuel is MORE than Super, WTF!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif I feel like we are getting the shaft. Maybe there is an explaination like there are the diesel reserves to stabilize the market like gas. Maybe the cleaner fuels cost more to refine (I have yet to see those show up however). I believe that taxes are higher for diesel than gas too, but still, I'm getting suspicious someone is jerking our chain, you know, the one attached to your wallet. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

Come on people. Lets all get mad together and get organized.





Anyone know anything more about the truckers protest?

I do not see it changing due to elections.



Only if someone makes a change, but not by the singluar act of an election.



Either way, predictions are only saying that it can only go up......



(Buy a TDI, and use your trucks for truck related duties only) http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Ive already parked my truck...well kinda...I only live about 3/4 of a mile from our farm and im mainly driving truck, so ive just been riding my 4wheeler to and from, then just using one of our "farm" trucks if i need to go and get something....Ill be spending more than my fair share on gas in a few months....

I am crying a my Gay butt off as you read this.





Diesel Dually, Now how do you like having your post quoted and then edited to take it out of context. If you are going to quote someone don't modify their post to suit your needs. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif That sucks !Edited by: a bear

I think if I could ride a bike to work and not have to worry about it being so hot outside or the weather being a factor I would and park my truck... I think until we as a nation stand up and demand lower fuel prices for our vehicles, the government is going to continue to raise prices as it sees fit and we will all be up the creek... They will be happy as usual...

Play nicely guys. We're all in the same http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif!

with elections right around the corner mabe our goverment is to blame? higher prices kerry wants 50 cent gallon tax = lots of pissed people who will vote bush

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gifI just paid $1.95 a gallon. Reg. unleaded was $1.79 a gallon at Wal-Mart. Just think, all of the money that we are paying to the towel heads for oil, is funding their next generation of terrorists.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

I know this is not going to make me popular around here, but we all need to just get used to paying higher prices for fuel. I have quite a few friends from Europe who laugh at us whining about $2 gas (or diesel). In the long term, it is all going to just get worse. Whether we like it or not, oil is a limited resource and someday we will run out. As long as we (Americans that is) want to drive our gas-hogging SUV's, we better get used to paying for the gas. Alternative fuels such as biodiesel and ethanol help, but the solution is more fuel-efficient vehicles and more mass transit.

The only answer is reduced consumption. We can start by using more diesels--as in cars. Imagine if we only used diesels. Our oil consumption would drop by a lot due to the efficiency of the diesel.


We can then blend 20% biodiesel--another 20% reduction--assuming we could eventually produce that much Bio.


Pollution problems related to Nox and particulates could be solved.


The answer is simple--but no thinks of the diesel as a solution to our dependance on overseas oil.


People still think of them a loud--stinky--smoky...just plain ignorance.


I just think our federal and state(Ca) has failed us in not pushing for more diesels--everyone here in Ca is on this stupid Hybrid kick.


Which by the way only get 40mpg when you turn on the A/C and have passengers in the car.

Lets face it,the $4.00 per gallon is going to happen."Where is that book on.........freedomfrydiesel......hmmm........yah BIODIESEL thats it ?" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif Barrel of oil over $50 bucks.

I'm not any happier about the price of fuel than anyone else. I thought about it a lot lately. I need the big truck to pull my camper with. But what do I need to be running back and forth to work in a 14 MPG Tahoe for? I think we do need to evaluate what we drive. I think the manufacturers need to come up with alternatives from better fuel economy to alternate fuel types. Personally I don't see the price of energy going down. As oil reserves are depleted the cost will go continue to go up. Also don't you think that as we decrease our demand for oil through alternative energies/sources, that the OPEC folks will continue to hand us price hikes? You see they've gotten used to a standard of living/income too from the amount we consume. If we cut our oil demands in half, they will have to charge twice as much to generate the same revenue. I see it as a no win situation.

I am crying a my Gay butt off as you read this.





Diesel Dually, Now how do you like having your post quoted and then edited to take it out of context. If you are going to quote someone don't modify their post to suit your needs. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif That sucks !





Touche.


I did not insult you in the original post. I did not call into question your manhood. I took an exact quote out of your original post which can be found here:


Some of you guys make me sick when you cast blame on the oil companies but continue to demand petroleum products. Crude oil 30 years ago was $28 dollars a barrel and .30 at the pump. Check the numbers to other cost today as compared to the yester years. 12K house then 20K now 200K or better. Automobiles the same. Do the math http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Today Crude oil is $47. Do the math again. That would equate to a diesel cost of well over $3 a gallon today. Bet your salaries increased more than 50% in the last 30 years. Every year more and more oil companies go out of buisness. Wonder why if they are making a killing off the public. Never saw someone who was making money hand over fist go out of business. Hurricane Ivan alone cost my company an estimated 1.3 Billion in damage and halted well over 100,000 BBls oil a day production as the bulk of oil production comes from the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. Salaries and over head also continue. More than likely more small companies will fold after this hurricane. We put up with this in the gulf states not to mention other things we loose. So cut the wining and go out and buy a volkswagon if it hurts that bad.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif





So I am just looking around to see where it is pertinent that I quote your entire post...can't find it. Perhaps inbetween your withering sarcasm, and your expert use of adult wit (the referral to my manhood) you can explain how what I did...quoted only pertinent text, and what you did...editing my post to insult me and call into question my manhood, are the same.


While you are figuring that out, perhaps you will find enough time to grow up. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif


And one more thing...these Oil Companies that you so strenously defend, aren't they the same companies that have posted RECORD profits? Perhaps you can also take time to explain that inbetween growing up and explaining your original childishness.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley34.gifEdited by: Diesel Dually

Diesel Dually, You attempted to make it look as though I am angry that oil companies are going out of buisness by picking your line, deleting the middle and leaving the end with the angry Emoticon. Thats called editing where I'm from. My only intention here was to set the record straight as I know blame was being casted in the wrong direction. I don't even know why I respond to you as you are far too stupid and imature too have even a fraction of a knowledge base of the topic at hand. Now go ahead and have your last word like the child that you are. I will not dignify it or any of your future posts with a reply.

Diesel Dually, You attempted to make it look as though I am angry that oil companies are going out of buisness by picking your line, deleting the middle and leaving the end with the angry Emoticon. Thats called editing where I'm from. My only intention here was to set the record straight as I know blame was being casted in the wrong direction. I don't even know why I respond to you as you are far too stupid and imature too have even a fraction of a knowledge base of the topic at hand. Now go ahead and have your last word like the child that you are. I will not dignify it or any of your future posts with a reply.





That's OK, I can stoop 1/2 a step and accept that I am acting like a child only so far as replying to your diatribe.


Lets pick this apart shall we? You first assert that I am gay simply because I use your words that 'every year more and more oil companies go out of business'...your words not mine. Then I did leave the angry emoticon in as you seemed to be angry about this issue. Are you calling me names simply because I left this silly emoticon in?


Then you go to cast aspersions about my maturity and intelligence. This coming from a mature adult who:


A) Cast aspersions about my manhood because I leave a silly emoticon in a response


B) States that I am...'far too stupid and imature too have even a fraction of a knowledge base of the topic at hand.'


So tell me oh wise and wonderful one, What do you know of my maturity? Who are you to make such a judgement? You do nothing but rant and rave have little to no facts then you raise the bar, so to speak, and resort to name calling. Then to add to this whole maturity and intelligence theme you have latched onto, you say that you wont be reading this. a bear, this response is not really just for you. It is for anyone reading it, and to see what kind of mature, intelligent, factual, adult you are.


Go on...keep proving it, you have done very well for yourself so far. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

If we cut our oil demands in half, they will have to charge twice as much to generate the same revenue. I see it as a no win situation.








DING DING DING, WE HAVE A WINNER.


the days of 1.50 fuel are GONE forever, you can cut US needs in half, they will cut production to keep supplies tight and prices up, it is truely a no win situation. Hell, all there has to be is SPECULATION of trouble in any oil producing country and the prices spike up immediately....

...they will cut production to keep supplies tight and prices up, it is truely a no win situation. ....

I understand your logic, but you are overestimating the US's impact on the global oil markets. Even if we do cut our use by half, developing countries like India and China are going to more than make up for what we aren't using. A combined approach of shifting to domestically-produced, renewable fuels along with reduced total consumption in the form of better efficiency and more mass transit is the answer, IMHO.

$1.93 9/10 Here is Athens Ga.

It wouldn't matter if everyone drove a VW TDI that gets 45+ mpg ...oil companies would raise the prices to recouple $$$ for the decrease in fuel consumption. We see it already as someone already mentioned ...prices magically go up when people are known to drive the most, go down when people don't drive as much. My wife does drive a VW TDI ...100 miles r/t every day ... anymore it cost around $25 to fill up a 14 gallon tank here in Oregon. No one can convince me otherwise ...it's all a conspiracy.

In a matter of three days this week from $2.09 to $2.25

There arent enough TDI's for everyone, just the smart ones.

There arent enough TDI's for everyone, just the smart ones.


I should be driving one too http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif She put 146K on her first one ... with zero problem ...no injector failures either. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

This is frustrating. We as consumers can do something about
this. At least I believe. With the internet is is very easy
to spread the word. We have to come up with a plan and put it
into effect. If not, it will continue to get worse. I know
we can't STOP the price of gas/fuel from going up. But we can
make the oil companies be REASONABLE about it.





Also a thought I had about the middle east oil. When its gone,
the middle east has nothing. No source of real income. So
if the world uses their stash first..............Then they have no
influence on the world. No funding for terrorist crap. The
U.S has no reason to set foot over there (war in Iraq) Hopefully
less wars.



Maybe over simplified. But......

Raybo


You can try the Citgo on River Rd there only at $2.09 the cheapest around town.


Incase any one was wondering Citgo is the only manufacturer that dosen't use any middle eastern oil. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif Try giving them a little support and not the Megga corps like Exxon/Mobil which was the WORLD'S MOST PROFITABLE Company last year. That's after ridicoulous salary's for the executive's, that's after money for exploration, that's after any other BS the well paid accountant's could think of as a Tax write off. That's pure PROFIT. Kind of brings a tear to your eye when they tell you prices are going up because of the war in Iraq or some BS in Russia or Venezuella. The tear is from getting ******ed in the A*S DRY.


Filled up my big truck the other day cost me $263.00 That should last me for 3 day's.


God bless the monoply's for without them a lot of people wouldn't be getting rich. They would have to go out and do an honest's day work to put bread on their table. But they would starve to death first because they don't know HOW to do an honest's day's work. So the monoply's are keeping a lot of executive's alive which is a good thing. I think.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


Ok I'm done for now http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif Diesel Dragon http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif

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Up to $2.27 here todayhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif

sh*t! Guess this was more of a touchy subject then I thought. Most are right though. Prices won't drop much if they do at all, and if you try and drop demand, supplies will be dropped to keep things tight. Automobile manufactures have the ability to make a way more fuel efficent vehicle, but that would cost more to produce and you'd end up paying more for that also. It's really a no win situation. The thing that bugs me though is the fact that a lot of things are going up in price around me but my check isn't going up much at all, nor are my stocks. I think it really all comes down to big company ethics, and not just in oil. I'm sure a lot of big company higher up's are voting themselves big bonuses and pay raises while laying off their own workers and also shipping jobs over seas for cheap. But as long as we continue to buy that product, that kind of stuff will continue to happen. Even if you start taxing companys more for moving jobs overseas, that will only get passed on to you. Same with storm damage oil companies sustained. It gets passed on to you. And if not, then the insurance company will pass it on to you after they pay the damage claims. If I can only figure out how to cram a Dmax/Alli into my Z28. I'd spend a lot less a month on diesel and have a 400hp/700fttq Camaro that gets over 30mpg and is fast as hell!

well 2.15 here now.... gone up 60 cents since May, my pay is still the same as it has been for years now........that works out mathmatically, yeah right.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


my big bitch is that i work in a plastics company, our costs for raw materials are going up big time, however the oems (gm, ford, chrysler,ETC) demand COST DOWNS every year on our products we sell to them or they pull the jobs from us and send them to a cheaper country, so we pay more for raw materials and make less money on the parts, hence nobody gets any raises.... the funny part is that the price of that new car does not go down over its 5 year life span even though the OEM is paying less every year for the products to build it!!!


we are just getting screwed everywhere!!!

Yes, we are getting scewed everywhere ... I think as ProblemChild stated a few times, we're all just a bunch of "sheeples" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif Loved that statement.

I agree with Roguedriver and GSXR. Fhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gifd came to the company I worked for and said cut your cost by 5%. We did. 9 months later everyone at Fhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gifd
got big raises. That took money out of my pocket. The cost
of everything is going up. Like our trucks. But they are
being made alot cheaper. (I thought I had chrome covered rims; they
have a plastic cover on them)



Until people take a stand about the price of fuel, it will keep going
up unreasonably. As stated above somewhere, the oil companies are
posting record PROFITS. Thats after their costs are paid, and
wages, exploration, drilling...etc. Oil companies will KEEP
PUSHING PRICES AS FAR AS THEY CAN. See how far they can go,
before they realize people won't tolerate anymore.



I have said enough. I have heard enough. No one wants to
try to stop any of this (I'm not saying it can be stopped, but would
try) from continuing. So I am unwatching this thread. I've
been out of work WAY TOO LONG. And it makes me sick about the
state of affairs.

2.37 here

jesus, when is it gonna stop, up to 2.19 now, 22 CENTS MORE THAN GAS!!!!!!!


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Edited by: gsxr1216

1.89 here in alaska if you know where to go, 1.91 on post at the PX gas station... at least I have diesel on post!

The average price for diesel where I live is between $2.30- $2.49. Have one Thrifty(Arco) station that has been $2.09 for about 2-3 weeks. His gasoline just went up .10 in 2-days. I fill up my work truck at a Mobil and its gone up .18 cents in 9-days. It shut off at $100.00(46gals) today.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif Edited by: Pure Diesel

Well just filled up at $2.09/gallon. When I purchased Black Beauty it was $1.77 and I would giggle at all the gassers. Now who's giggling now! I agree, I think it's all a bunch of hokey pokey bulls--t!


Still I love my diesel and I love the power!


The governor of CA states"Don't be a girly man, vote for Bush!"

I think this sh*t is getting http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gifhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif ridiculous.... I think we need to start doing something and raising some http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif hell.... I think if we start boycotting the stations and declaring that we will not be taken advantage of by a bunch of government http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif's, then maybe something will get done.... Enough said...

Mine is setting, running our old hot water six ford, runs real good on drip just pings a little. When the big rigs start an we follow suit this I feel will get there attentionEdited by: geno

another .02 overnight, man going up .02-.03 a day is fuggin rediculous, will be over $3 a gallon by X-mas.....





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We'll ignor Mr.Bear.

Truckers are thinking about a protest of some sort? Haven't heard anything up here.


Evidently you didn't read the post well. The trend of oil prices is well below the rate of cost of living increases over the past years. Just as you would not sell something for less than it cost to produce oil companies can't either or they would be out of business and we all would suffer. You haven't a clew on how much it cost to produce a barrel of oil so how can you try to determine the price you should pay. Try a drilling rig for example @ $150,000 a day for a year or helicopter transportation @ $28 per minute. Add in Royalties the government recieves, highway taxes, etc.,etc. If you believe Oil companies set the prices we see I suggest you come down south and let the snow melt away from that void area between your ears so you can think a little clearer. Maybe you should get an education on the subject before you continue to prove to everyone here just how ignorant you are. So picket away. It will change nothing because the only result will be higher prices as production will become non profitable and wells will be shut in with layoffs soon to follow including yourself. The reason you see price fluctuatuions is nothing more than keeping everything in ballance from the wellhead to the pump. I don't think the Govt. will allow one party to get rich while the other suffers. Most people that are educated in this area are in the know. You are not one of those people.








just curious, you sound like youre in the know with the oil problem. Answer me this, and im sure SOMEwhere in this longwinded thread it may have been answered and i just havent seen it, but, WHY since deisel doesnt cost as much to refine, is it more than reg. gas???? Hell, when i bought mine at the beginning of this year, deisel was almost .30/gal. CHEAPER than reg. gasoline!!!! Now its friggin .30/gal. higher????? WTF? If its not about the oil co.'s making a killing on what this country needs to keep its truckers on the road, then just wtf is the justification?

There has got to be an end to this somewhere... Personally there is no reason why diesel should be higher than regular gas.. It just keeps going up and up. Filled up the last time and it was normal, which is about $40 ish, this last time I filled up, damn it was over $50.... Been babying this tank, have over 200 miles on just a tad over a 1/4 tank, hopefully will get lots more... Going to have to start making this stuff last or start brewing my own stuff and taking from McD's and Wendy's..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

We'll ignor Mr.Bear.

Truckers are thinking about a protest of some sort? Haven't heard anything up here.


Evidently you didn't read the post well. The trend of oil prices is well below the rate of cost of living increases over the past years. Just as you would not sell something for less than it cost to produce oil companies can't either or they would be out of business and we all would suffer. You haven't a clew on how much it cost to produce a barrel of oil so how can you try to determine the price you should pay. Try a drilling rig for example @ $150,000 a day for a year or helicopter transportation @ $28 per minute. Add in Royalties the government recieves, highway taxes, etc.,etc. If you believe Oil companies set the prices we see I suggest you come down south and let the snow melt away from that void area between your ears so you can think a little clearer. Maybe you should get an education on the subject before you continue to prove to everyone here just how ignorant you are. So picket away. It will change nothing because the only result will be higher prices as production will become non profitable and wells will be shut in with layoffs soon to follow including yourself. The reason you see price fluctuatuions is nothing more than keeping everything in ballance from the wellhead to the pump. I don't think the Govt. will allow one party to get rich while the other suffers. Most people that are educated in this area are in the know. You are not one of those people.








just curious, you sound like youre in the know with the oil problem. Answer me this, and im sure SOMEwhere in this longwinded thread it may have been answered and i just havent seen it, but, WHY since deisel doesnt cost as much to refine, is it more than reg. gas???? Hell, when i bought mine at the beginning of this year, deisel was almost .30/gal. CHEAPER than reg. gasoline!!!! Now its friggin .30/gal. higher????? WTF? If its not about the oil co.'s making a killing on what this country needs to keep its truckers on the road, then just wtf is the justification?





Actually I'm not sure why diesel is higher. Also I'm not sure where the theory that diesel cost less to refine than gasoline comes from. All fuels extracted from a barrel of crude oil must undergo the same cracking process. It all goes through the same type of equipment. The only difference is that it is extracted at a lower temperature. The only thing that makes since to me is the trend of people going to diesel operated vehicles which in turn creates a higher demand for diesel. Also the specific gravity of a barrel of crude oil will determine how much middle distillate fuels can be extracted so oil supplied from different locations have influence ie. overseas oils, La sweet crude and Texas intermediate crude. I really don't think location has as much to do with it than the demand though. We live in a world that has a record amount of people behind the wheel and want to do it in luxury ie. SUV's and other large vehicles. I for one am curbing my driving habbits due to the latest price hike. I'm sure as others eventually do the same prices will come down some. It's all a matter of supply and demand. What really scares me is that the hollidays are just around the corner and we all know what happens to prices as more people take to the road. The best thing we can do to help ourselves and truckers is to plan our trips to save dollars and cut fuel consumption. Unfortunately truckers have to take to the road regardless of prices to make a living. I honestly feel for them.

Please help,


I have just read this thread from begining to end and I think my eyes are about to bleed. I am in the process of selling my 6.0 silverado SS Gasser to move over to the Dark side... Am I going to be better off by buying a diesel? Diesel is more that the premium I have to put in the 6.0 and am I going to get the return ie MPG on the diesel over the 6.0. I am lucky I don't have to drive to work, I work from home I was just wanting a feel for what you guys and girls are seeing with regard to diesel vs gas on a daily basis. Power is a plus with the diesel but I work for a company that produce aftermarket turbochargers for cars and trucks and I have one on the Silverado 400+hp and better gas mileage due to the turbo charger on cruise. I was really wanting the diesel for driving long distances.


What do you all recomend


Jonathan

Unfortunately truckers have to take to the road regardless of prices to make a living. I honestly feel for them.





I was talking to a driver at a BP outside of Winterset, Iowa last night on the way home.


I asked him if the Truckers would ever do a boycott because of the fuel prices. His statement was, "I doubt it, if you are talking about a Truckers Strike like 25 years ago, it will probably never happen again. The number of independent drivers is way down compared to 25 years ago. Most are company drivers now and the company foots the fuel bills so they could care less about the price"

I have just started to look at the price of diesel and I saw a pleasing $1.79 and with a Kroeger card its down to $1.76 I think I just answered my own question


jonathanEdited by: Duramax660

Finally seeing some relief @ 1.95...but it is still a little ridiculous.

It jumped from $1.99 9/10 to


$2.05 9/10 today here in Athens, Ga

I would imagine that Bush's East Texas oil buddies are donig their best to slow this down.



IIRC oil hit 54/barrel today, so I cant figure out why there would be an relief so soon.....

$2.23 today..............


$50.00 to fill my tank.........


I pass the cost along..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


It sucks........my MOBIL and CITGO bils were close to $700 last month http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


The wife drives 90 miles a day....so we ordered a VW-TDI-Beetle-5 Speed http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


I drive ........... well way too much with a heavy foot.........


So I suck it up and pay............


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gifNY

Guys,


The way the news is reporting it.. with the price of crude oil at $53.96?? a barrel... and lack of supply from huricane damage down south .. and unrest in south africa... it still sounds like BS... and if I am reading between the lines... it because we will pay the price, we may b%tch.. and complain.. but we will pay it


I know we will never see prices below a dollar.. but wouldn't it be great...


Pete

well i got raped for $2.25 today...... up over 70 cents a gallon since May here... BS.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif





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It's that time of the year again. Where millions of homeowners and businesses buy heating oil. Average tank size, couple of hundred gallons? That's alot of fuel. Why can't these people buy their heating oil in the summer months?


Best bet is to buy a 500 or 1000 gallon skid tank and fill it during the summer months for use in the winter. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





MikeyB

I'm sorry guys....but these prices are all my fault &amp; I
apologize! I should have warned everybody that this was bound to
happen. I made my first diesel purchase with the rational that
the added initial expense would eventually pay for itself in cheaper
fuel cost &amp; added MPG's. I should have known that this was going to
happen. It's all my faulthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif!



But look on the bright side - we could be driving the gasser motors getting 13 MPG's.

It's been over $2.25 for at least 3 weeks here in Oregon ...saw several places yesterday on the way home from work for $2.39/gallon! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

This may explain it a bit:





Diesel fuel prices follow oil uphill
<DIV =by-line>By James R. Healey, USA TODAY</DIV>
<DIV =intro-copy>Diesel fuel hit a record average $2.012 a gallon, the government reported Monday, up 10 cents from a week earlier as the price continues a steep climb that began much earlier in the year than usual.</DIV>
The U.S. average price for unleaded regular gas, meantime, rose 5.1 cents in a week, to $1.917. The record, not adjusted for inflation: $2.064 a gallon reported by the Energy Information Administration May 24.
Diesel prices overtook gasoline prices Aug. 30; that usually happens no earlier than October and sometimes as late as December, EIA says.
Diesel and heating oil are similar refinery products. Demand for heating oil rises as winter approaches, just as demand for diesel grows as fall harvest season arrives. That competition for supplies drives up prices.
High gas prices attract foreign supplies and encourage motorists to drive less. The result: Supply rises, demand falls, prices come down. But diesel fuel is used mainly by over-the-road trucks, trains, farmers and other businesses that can't simply cut back.
Higher diesel prices raise costs of production and shipping. That raises consumer prices, cuts profits, or both.
They also ruin small trucking firms. "For every 10-cent increase in diesel fuel prices, 1,000 small trucking companies go under, and the trucking industry is principally small truckers," says Todd Spencer, executive vice president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, which has 115,000 members, mainly smaller companies. He says there are 300,000 trucking companies registered in the USA.
As for heating oil, "The question mark for analysts: How cold will this winter be?" says EIA economist Jake Bournazian.
"Homeowners in the Northeast who depend on heating oil for warmth may be chilled by the cost of the first delivery: $1.75 to $2 a gallon, up from $1.05 to $1.25 a year ago," says Tom Kloza, Oil Price Information Service analyst.
The main push on fuel prices comes from the rising price of crude oil, from which gasoline, diesel, heating oil and other common fuels are made.
The price of a barrel of West Texas Intermediate, also known as light, sweet, crude oil, hit a recent low of $25.67 on May 2, 2003, then began climbing. It topped $40 May 11 this year and has flirted with $50 lately on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was $49.64 at the close of trading in New York Monday, then climbed to $50 in after-hours trading as rebels in oil-producer Nigeria declared war on the government and warned oil companies to cease production there by Friday

$2.20 in Oregon

Well since this topic hasn't run out of steam.....





Why hasn't the cost of oil (for an oil change) gone up?

Well since this topic hasn't run out of steam.....


Why hasn't the cost of oil (for an oil change) gone up?



I believe the price for lubricants is set quarterly.


MikeyB

Oil was $27 a fhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gifg barrel last November. It is now over $52 a barrel. This is total bhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gift. Whatever happened to price gouging? I guess it doesn't count when it is oil.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif What is really sad is if you look around groceries and about everything else is going up too. Everything is going up-except people's pay.


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Its not BS China is sucking up all the worlds oil. Its a different world now.



Oil will never be cheap again. It will continue to rise rapidly in price.



We will be paying 3.00/gallon this winter for diesel.



It will be 4 next winter. Watch the news about chinas oil usage. They
have used 40% more oil then before in just the last 10 months. Their
growth and need for energy is exponential.



There is not enough oil to feed the machine.

where is this gonna stop.... over $2.31 now and no sign of slowing down of the increases....... for sale, '03 Dmax.........





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Fuel here in south GA is $2.10 to 2.25. We used to have some of the cheapest prices around. I cannot believe there has not been a truckers strike yet. I know those guys are hurting.

I doubt you will see a truckers strike, unlike 25 years ago there are very few independent truckers on the road, most are company drivers and could care less what the fuel prices are, they just pay with their company credit card and go on, the trucking companies will add a fuel surcharge to help make up the difference so the increase will get passed on.

I work for an oilfield service company and we have a fuel surcharge built right into our invoices, we just enter the percentage.
I also drive a diesel company truck (04 Ford PSD) and while I see the prices going up, I just pay with my company credit card and drive on http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

This is not the first time that diesel has been higher than gas, when I bought my 03 Chevy Duramax diesel was less than gas but that swapped and diesel was higher all winter, I however don't see the prices coming down much, they will some but I doubt it will make it back down to $1.50 \ gal, world demand is up and climbing and as long as oil is a commodity it will continue to fluctuate, but would you rather it just followed inflation? I don't have numbers in front of me but what would the price of diesel be if steadily followed the rate of inflation for the last 25 years?

According to Allen Greenspan the price of oil right now is only 60% of what it was in 1981 when adjusted for inflation.

When I was reading this thread &amp; A Bear said he was a little upset about paying over $40.00 to fill his truck I thought to myself it would be great to pay that again. I'm paying over $50.00 to fill my truck, so $40.00 would be a welcome relief. By the way, my tank is OEM &amp; I have a Crewcab/shortbed which is a smaller tank than the longbed. Come to Cailf &amp; pay $2.50-$2.59 a gallon, really sucks. Why is it that we have to pay more than the east coast or southern states? Same dieselhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

I think I read that they closed a refinery out in California. So
costs more because of reduced output. And because they think they
can. Let them know different. Get Govvie Arnold on the case.

fillled up today here just east of seattle, $2.71 thats a 60cent increase in 1 month. it makes it very hard to press the pedal, even with the edge. i think the ally is going back in to learn mode cause iv changed my driving style so much due to fuel consumption http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

I'm thinking of swapping to my winter tires (245's) a little early.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


Lighter tire, but smaller. It will help a little with my mpg.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

China will run out of Money!





Mac

China will run out of Money!





Mac





The U.S. (we) will give them more money.

China will run out of Money!





Mac





I don't know how China can run out of money. They are making everything we are buying. I can hardly find anything not made in China. They are also using up all our steel and other resources.Edited by: wlkjr

Just be glad our trucks don't have a little white tag attached to the rear that says "Made in China" ...I would bet a lot of the parts are ...and someday the whole truck will be http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif. Duramax in a can ...just add water

When I was reading this thread &amp; A Bear said he was a little upset about paying over $40.00 to fill his truck I thought to myself it would be great to pay that again. I'm paying over $50.00 to fill my truck, so $40.00 would be a welcome relief. By the way, my tank is OEM &amp; I have a Crewcab/shortbed which is a smaller tank than the longbed. Come to Cailf &amp; pay $2.50-$2.59 a gallon, really sucks. Why is it that we have to pay more than the east coast or southern states? Same dieselhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif


The 40's are gone. Hit $50 even on the last fill. Think I'll start to park it more. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

I actually did the analysis and have to have diesel go up about 60 cents a gallon with regular staying the same to make if more cost effective to drive the wife's gasser truck. So for now, I pay.

I came home from out of town work, last Thursday night. I told the wife I'm going to fill the truck up for the fishing trip to the Sierra's. She said wait till morning your tired. I went down next morning, first thing, and the Dhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gifn stuff went up .30 cents a gallon. Yes, thats right .30 cents in 8-hours. The price was $2.09 for about 3-weeks then to $2.39. Ouchhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif. This is B.S.. Fishing trip made up for this stuff. Thanks for the venting here.

Since my Dmax is in the dealer (injector) I have been borrowing my Dad's 89 F-250 7.3. With fuel being $2.11, I have actually been happy to drive the old Ford. I filled both tanks when it was $1.83 (about 2 weeks ago). Now it is time to fill up againhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif, so I guess I better do it before it hits $2.25! You would think we (USA) would find a new source to tap in to so we can get our OWN fuel, all of it. I know that this is a huge political issue, but when does it end? Farm diesel looks so tempting right now, but even it is stupid on the price. Time to trade the Dmax in on a GEO metro.

Well I filled up last night &amp; boy did it hurt, $60.00 even. The only thing that kept me from going out of my mind that GAS was still higher but not by much. Something needs to be done to stop the bleeding and for those in CA did you notice on your ballot they want to raise the GAS TAX to cover improvements on the highways. THere is no mention for how long or will this TAX ever end. The state took the existing GAS tax that was to be used to upkeep the roads &amp; moved it into the gernal fund to balance the state budget. Stop &amp; read how much per gallon is actully FED &amp; State tax, pretty soon the fuel will be less than the tax. Here is an artical were they want to charge 50 cents a gallon tax in CA on top of the FED tax.


http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2004/09/06/editor (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2004/09/06/editorial3.html) ial3.html


I bet the guys pushing this bill drive a state vehicle &amp; the state pays there fuel costs. I bet if we start from the top &amp; take away there cars &amp; state gas credit cards they would change their mind.

Typical. Create a tax for this, but use it for that. If it doesn't get stopped, it won't

Just went to 2.33 here in northern cal..just a bit below premium gas prices.. been going going up up//

when i bought my truck 3 moths ago I was paying 1.58 for diesel, which was like 17 cents cheaper than reg gas.today i saw it for 2.26 which was like 6 cents higher than premium gas. WTF? i got rid of my gas truck hoping to get a little break in the price of fuel. im in lexington, ky


Ry

Just be glad our trucks don't have a little white tag attached to the rear that says "Made in China" ...I would bet a lot of the parts are ...and someday the whole truck will be http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif. Duramax in a can ...just add water


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/throw up.gifI took our '03 in for the tailgate cable recall, and guess what? Yep! Little white tags stuck on in the middle of the new black cable. Yep! Made in China.

Prices in my neck of the woods have varied between $2.15 to $2.24 per
gallon with only one station staying at $2.09 for the past few weeks
but today he jumped to $2.15http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif. I've been filling up every couple days for $20.00 rather than waiting for a $60 bill.

Just be glad our trucks don't have a little white tag attached to the rear that says "Made in China" ...I would bet a lot of the parts are ...and someday the whole truck will be http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif. Duramax in a can ...just add water


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/throw up.gifI took our '03 in for the tailgate cable recall, and guess what? Yep! Little white tags stuck on in the middle of the new black cable. Yep! Made in China.





Damn, the world has definately gone to chit. Here I was only trying to be a smart ass. Don't think I want those new cables if they have little China tags on them. That's where all of our OIL is going!

Here in Springfield,IL. this morning regular was 1.96 and diesel was 2.29

...That's where all of our OIL is going!

Why do you say it is our oil? I don't like high fuel prices any better than anybody, but we are just going to have to get used to the increasing global demand for oil.

Not to contradict the whole China-bashing vibe, but they do buy a lot of agricultural commodoties from the US. Lot of mouths to feed...Edited by: habanero

...That's where all of our OIL is going!







Why do you say it is our oil? I don't like high fuel prices any better than anybody, but we are just going to have to get used to the increasing global demand for oil.

Not to contradict the whole China-bashing vibe, but they do buy a lot of agricultural commodoties from the US. Lot of mouths to feed...


CORRECT, should have said "the" oil not "our" oil as that's the main problem ...we don't have any oil of our own. It's common knowledge these days China the one of the root causes behind the increase in oil prices as well as everything else. Someone should have required China men to wear rubbers 20 years ago!

Just made a little midweek camping trip to Seattle area this week and was paying $2.43 UGH and that was average price.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gifIf I could see 2.05 again I would be tickled pink...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif I thought Diesel fuel was the after birth of a barrel of oil?Not the real baby???

With the refining technology any more, a barrel of oil can be made into just about anything, depending on the demand at the time. If gasoline demand is high, most of the oil is cracked and reformed to make gasoline. If diesel/heating oil demand is high, more can be made into those fractions.

One thing I have a hard time understanding, is they say the recent spike in diesel prices is due to heating oil season coming up. I have only lived in Iowa and Oklahoma, but in both of those places I have only known of one family that still used heating oil for home heat. Everybody else I have known used propane or nat. gas. Is there really that many oil heaters left in other parts of the country, or is this another oil company mirage?

Natural gas has increased too. I guess since the towelheads were making all of that money, they didn't want to be left out.

Fueled up this morning......$65.32 in Tacoma. The last thing I want is the Gub-ment getting involved in this...BUT....we've got hundreds of thousands of acres in CRP right now AND the technology to make Bio-deisel a viable alternative. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif Somebody needs to head this up and I don't think the oil companies have a vested interest in killing the cash cow.


The private sector can't or won't get their sh!t together and make this available on a larger and more economical scale.


We've got farmers trying to make a buck and I'm tired of sending my $$$ over to the sandbox.


Okay I'm done crying now.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

$2.09 in mesquite, TX today. Damn this stinks!!

$2.25 here in MT.

up to 2.39 to 2.45 gal today in northern cal to and thats within a mile of each other???where's the bio at ???

Did I hear John Kerry make a statement while campaining that when he is President diesel fuel will be under a dollar per gallon?





Didn't think so. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

It is very likely he did make such a statement, however he'll deny it tomorrow

I still wouldn't vote for that fool.

Wow!!! I just thought it was bad here in Texas!! I think the local truckstop has diesel for $2.14....seems two days ago it was $2.09. Yeah, changing this fast is ridiculous.


On another note, I heard that Chevron/Shell/Exxon all got memos today from the Dept. of Defense. Short version: "Each of you companies has 90 days to learn how to drill through 3 feet of glass while wearing 50 lbs of lead suit." http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif


and diesel goes back to $1.25!!!!


Yeah, I'm a dreamer....

Some stations in this area are up to $0.91 per litre Cdn. I figure that works out to about $2.80 per gal. US. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

We all know we love the high price of fuel. And we'd love to pay more.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

The Feds pick and choose their price gouging battles very carefully. Flu vaccine is in short supply and, according to the vaccine manufacturers, the vaccine is subject to the rules of “supply and demand”. About a week ago, a pharmaceuticals company was charging $400 for a $40 vile of vaccine. The Feds took immediate action against the pharmaceuticals company for price gouging. Since most of the oil companies finance our career politicians, the Feds won't ever attempt to go after the oil companies for any kind of price gouging. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

The price of diesel in Utah went from $1.75/gal in August to $2.35/gal in October. This meant that it costs an extra $15.60 to fill a 26 gallon tank. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

Did I hear John Kerry make a statement while campaining that when he is President diesel fuel will be under a dollar per gallon?


Didn't think so. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif





You mean that he will ONLY INCREASE it $1.00 per gallon by taxing in???





Remember, Kerry is the one who wants to place a .50 cent federal tax on all fuels nation wide.

I still say if we want to stop this bleeding we push to have all goverment agencies turn in their gas cards &amp; they have to pay for the fuel for any car or truck that they are given to drive out of there own pocket. Now I'm only talking about administrative jobs like gov, sen, congressman, high ranking gov officials &amp; only the guys doing the real work such cops, fireman, highway workers, etc. continue to have their fuel paid for by the taxpayers. If the so called leaders have to pay these high costs then maybe they will do something about it. I wonder how many auto vacation, weekend trips, &amp; other non-gov trips fuel costs were charged to the tax payers.


TAKE AWAY THEIR GAS CARDS &amp; make them pay just like we have to. Let them feel the same pain we suffer in our pocket book each time we go to the gas station.Edited by: Rick&Danni

I still say if we want to stop this bleeding we push to have all goverment agencies turn in their gas cards &amp; they have to pay for the fuel for any car or truck that they are given to drive out of there own pocket. Now I'm only talking about administrative jobs like gov, sen, congressman, high ranking gov officials &amp; only the guys doing the real work such cops, fireman, highway workers, etc. continue to have their fuel paid for by the taxpayers. If the so called leaders have to pay these high costs then maybe they will do something about it. I wonder how many auto vacation, weekend trips, &amp; other non-gov trips fuel costs were charged to the tax payers.


TAKE AWAY THEIR GAS CARDS &amp; make them pay just like we have to. Let them feel the same pain we suffer in our pocket book each time we go to the gas station.





It would be about the same as removing their cushy 6 and 7 digit (annual payout) retirement plan they voted in for themselves which include annual cost of living increases. It was once said the best way to fix Social Security is to place them on it but they would not allow such a thing. I wouldn't expect they would pay their fuel or anything else for that matter. We have no voice other than going to the voting poles. Problem is congress is so corrupt that even if someone honest is voted in the soon become a crook themselves. Most politicians will steal all they can while they can because they know terms are limited. It's all about graff and corruption.

A Bear, your right, I know it's just a pipe dream &amp; the only way to get this done is at the polls. But we first have to get it on the ballot, would be neat if we could get it on the next election ballot in most of the states two years from now. Just making the noise that we want it on the ballot might shake up some people. I think that these people forget that we are also voters &amp; not just people. One can only hope that someone would pickup this issue &amp; push it forward. I wonder how many states that are trying to balance their budgets would see this as an oppertunity to cut overspending. All well as we both know as long as the oil companies keep lining their policial warchests it's not going to happen.

Who is the lesser of the two evils . . . Bush or Kerry?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


Perot was the last good candidate that I voted for!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Diesel is $2.05 now here in Alaska! Where is it going to top out at? Vote to open ANWR to exploration and drilling! It's all supply and demand. Edited by: 6.6 Flylow

Fuel prices are still rising in south florida.Cheapest I have found is $2.19.

The government works for the people.......Civil Servants......

I AGREE WITH 6.6 Flylow! Open the ANWR and let 'er flow.

2.25 for diesel and 2.09 for Super this morning.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif


Our founding fathers never expected the congress to turn in to the pig sty it is today. They expected people to work in the government as part of their patriotic duty and then go back home and work like the rest of the folks. Term limitations is the only way to make it better since we can't seem to stop them from abusing their power to help themselves. Problem is we can't get them to vote in their own retirements either. Let's see how well they do under the laws they pass for us.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif

Well diesel finally passed the price of gas in my area. $2.19 and rising.


Even with term limits in office you can't win. They just steal harder because they have less time to get their nest egg built up. Then there's more of them SOB's soaking up that golden fleased retirement that they voted in for themselves. Their desire to steal is also motivated by the lean penalty of spending minimal time in a resort that they call a prison where they have weekends off and can have family and friends over for golfing partners and such at anytime. I say put em breaking rocks for life in a max security hell hole then you would set an example that would promote integrity. Martha Stewart is another prime example of how money and social status can get you the minimum in penalties. Let you or me commit the same crime and watch what happens. Damn if yaul didn't get me pi$$ed. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif

2.59 this morning... at this rate it's gonna $3 very soon....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif

$2.24 in Brainerd, Minnesota.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif

Hey A Bear, sure took you awhile to get pissed. The price today in San Marcos, CA - $2.69 - now if you had to pay that I bet you would of got pissed a bit sooner.


I guess they have a plan - price it so high we will all have to park it in the driveway &amp; talk about the good old times when we could drive it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif Shine it up once &amp; while, drink a cold one &amp; remember the good old days.


I hate to say this but I can remember when I paid $.39 a gallon back in the late 60's. That was the lowest I ever paid. It was at a 2 pump station in town &amp; they pumped it. Gee, I never would have guessed then the prices would get this high then.

Here in Ft. Worth tx, it is running between $2.09 and $2.15http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif

I commute 50 miles one way to work. If I quit, I can't save a bundle every week.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

I commute 50 miles one way to work. If I quit, I can't save a bundle every week.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif


I'm in the same boat ...48 miles each/way ... my wife does the same commute because we work different hours. Last night she told me it cost her $32 to fill up her VW TDI!! Unbeleivable ...14 gallon tank.

Just wanted to add my numbers to the mix. Here in Northwest Ohio diesel is now $2.29 per gallon. Regular grade gas is $2.02. Both went up just 3 days ago, from $2.24 for diesel and $1.89 for regular. No rhyme or reason any more around here it goes up Monday night or Wednesday afternoon and then goes down 2-3 cents about 3 days later for a week then jumps up 5-9 cents per gallon again the next week. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif My only consolation now is that at least its not as bad as my race car which runs on straight Methanol and burns 4 gallons for every 1/4 mile pass I make. I have to buy it by the 50 gallon drum.

How about $2.14 for regular gas and $2.52 for diesel in Idaho.

Regular gas $2.43


Diesel $2.43


Just so that you know, a lot of Government Owned Vehicles(GOV's) are multi or alternate fuel capable. The Government also owns electric vehicles.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif