And if you think a GPCM reflash was bad........:eek:

Sounds like round two is under way.

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3313623&an=0&page=0#Post3313623

Sounds like they might better just recall all of them and crushem or at least put a D-Max in them.

Sounds like they might better just recall all of them and crushem

:exactly:

they are worth more as scrap any way. suxs to be a ford guy in this day in age. thank god i like chevy

they are worth more as scrap any way. suxs to be a ford guy in this day in age. thank god i like chevy

:exactly:

This is really bad news. ford needs to do well. They cant have another flop of a truck.

Wew, and I thought we had a problem with lbz pistons.

The ford guys over in that forum sound like a bunch of women who just found out someone died on their favorite soap:rolleyes: I'm amazed in the loyalty some of them guys still have(Ford's using their buyers as guinea pigs!).Ford has some real jacka$$'s working for them having this many serious probs this soon, not to mention the probs they're having getting thier engines built. Sounds like a disaster in the making.

Interesting that these guys say wait 4 years to buy a new Ford to get it right.
UGH, YUCK. I've always been a GM guy, but I sure hate to see any more
reasons (even if they are made up by biased consumer reports) for people to buy asian / jap junk. I sure hope Ford gets it fixed quick

From that site :"B. Yes - Perform WSM, Section 303-04D - Turbocharger Bearing Clearance Check and repair as required."

I would like to know if checking the turbo bearing clearance requires removal of the cab? Can you imagine removing the cab to find out that's NOT your problem.

I mean we all play with brand bashing and making fun of Ford and Dodge, but, if there's one thing AMERICAN products need right now is utmost quality. Ford and Navistar has a losing streak with the 6.0 and then this 6.4 like no other.

I'm glad i made the choice I did, I may not want a new Ford but I do feel bad for the people that thought they were getting a great truck and it turns out to be a trouble some problem that obviously should had much more R & D.

Ferd should sell their trucks by the pound. Wonder what scap metals going for right now.

There are going to be alot of bank rupt people. I no ford is loseing alot of money on this new 6.4 just like they did on the 6.0 The only good motor ford ever had was the 300 inline 6. And the 7.3 power joke

But it has a step and handrail in the tailgate...

It will be interesting to see how the 6.4 saga plays out. Ford really doesn't need this type of press...

But it has a step and handrail in the tailgate...

You know I was watching the commercial for the new super duty and he did the step thing. I'm a big guy (6'4 300 LBS) and the flexing that that step did was really suprising. It just seems like a warranty issue waiting to happen. Can you imagine the liability of that step breaking with someone on it. First you'd fall and whack your chin/chest on that stupid handrail that sticks up. Then you'd bang your knees HARD as you slide down the tailgate. That'd be a big lawsuit - even worse if it's breathing flames and you fall into the path of it... LOL

No one likes seeing this... :( Might sell more Dmax's, more Dodges, but worse off, more Toyotas... Let's hope they get this figured out quick so they can have a nice truck, and we can still rib them for the flames...

This is really bad news. ford needs to do well. They cant have another flop of a truck.

This is really good news I will dance in the streets when ford goes out of buisness

Hopefully they will get it worked out. Whether or not you like Ford, you've gotta feel bad for guys who've dropped serious coin (over 50k) on a truck that spends considerable time in the shop. For the guys who have a Ford that doesn't have problems (yet), it's still a confidence killer.

You know I was watching the commercial for the new super duty and he did the step thing. I'm a big guy (6'4 300 LBS) and the flexing that that step did was really suprising. It just seems like a warranty issue waiting to happen. Can you imagine the liability of that step breaking with someone on it. First you'd fall and whack your chin/chest on that stupid handrail that sticks up. Then you'd bang your knees HARD as you slide down the tailgate. That'd be a big lawsuit - even worse if it's breathing flames and you fall into the path of it... LOL


WOW!:eek: never thought of it that way! hmmmmm...

Ferd should sell their trucks by the pound. Wonder what scap metals going for right now.

So how many more lbs. do the ferds weigh....if any...comparable models of course, anyone know?

WOW!:eek: never thought of it that way! hmmmmm...

Why else do you suppose they put a handrail on it? If there's no handrail, it is Ford's liability. If the handrail is there, and you don't take time to use it, it is your responsibility.

By the way, I am over 260 lb, and it felt pretty solid to me.

You know Ford is hurting when GM guy's stop laughing and start to feel sorry for them.:eek:

By the way, I am over 260 lb, and it felt pretty solid to me.

See I've never been on one, I just saw the commercial.

Hopefully they will get it worked out. Whether or not you like Ford, you've gotta feel bad for guys who've dropped serious coin (over 50k) on a truck that spends considerable time in the shop. For the guys who have a Ford that doesn't have problems (yet), it's still a confidence killer.

I don't feel sorry for anybody who bought a 08 superduty take a bad engine increase the displacement add another turbo and lets see if 10 head bolts can hold 42psi of boost what does a Lmm run to make the same power 26psi or so? This is a repeat of GM 5.7 not only did it kill the diesel for gm it killed the diesel for the US for 20years. We are just now starting to see vehicles other than HD pickups with diesels.

The 6.4 is a engineering disaster even it was reliable it has so much more crap than you need to make that power and no one seems to be blown away by the power. Take the 07 6.7 Cummins and LMM it has what it needs to meet the new emissions and nothing else. Ford already had the tightest engine bay and they made it 10x worse. I wouldn't buy it because after the warranty is up the labor to do normal repairs will be though the roof.

I was a Ford guy from way back loved my 97 F350 powerstroke. When it was totaled I went and looked at the Fords no way was I going to buy a 6.0 and I didn't want a gas rig. I started reading up on the 6.4 powerstoke and all the first year technology scared the S*** out of me:eek: . Ford is using their loyal base as a testing ground and I feel sorry for them as these people are dropping alot of cash on these rigs. Hopefully as stated before they get it right before the bottom drops out.

My friend and I both had the 6.0 and I had tons of trouble.
I got sucked in by the harley package and left my GM roots.
After 16 months with the truck at the dealer 59 days i sold thet truck at auction for 42k and plunked down 50k for my Lbz and have not had nothing but smiles driving this truck. it pulls my 5er with no effort.
I also am sad for Ford because there are alot of american jobs on the line over there. hope they get it right.........

This is really good news I will dance in the streets when ford goes out of buisness

Umm if ford went under that would totally screw our economy. I really dislike for but competition is what makes the chevy better. if they had no one to compete with then our trucks would just flat out suck. Also if ford goes under then Toyota will be right in line to take its place and thats the last thing America needs.

Failed LBZ engines on stock trucks are starting to come out of the woodwork in a big way! I know of several recent failures of LBZ pistons (Not including mine that don't count http://www.***************.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif) The issue is not pegged down yet but the failures I have seen and heard were on trucks with low mileage and mild to moderate tunes on them. Nothing in excess of 150 RWHP over stock IIRC.

It is intresting however that taking an LBZ slug and machining it down to lower the compression hasn't shown an ugly face yet. In my case I have over 5000 miles some VERY HARD ones on my motor and she runs better every day.

The testing that Mahle did on my failed LBZ pistons showed that one of the failures was from high cylinder pressures due to tuning and the rest were on there way out from poor machining. A set of LB7 slugs were tested by Mahle at the same time and they determined that the LBZ piston was a better choice.



That doesn't sound to good fellars!

Thats it, start throwing stones at the LBZ when $**t starts going south for Ford. Sounds like sour grapes..... :lol2:

I don't feel sorry for anybody who bought a 08 superduty take a bad engine increase the displacement add another turbo and lets see if 10 head bolts can hold 42psi of boost what does a Lmm run to make the same power 26psi or so? This is a repeat of GM 5.7 not only did it kill the diesel for gm it killed the diesel for the US for 20years. We are just now starting to see vehicles other than HD pickups with diesels.

The 6.4 is a engineering disaster even it was reliable it has so much more crap than you need to make that power and no one seems to be blown away by the power. Take the 07 6.7 Cummins and LMM it has what it needs to meet the new emissions and nothing else. Ford already had the tightest engine bay and they made it 10x worse. I wouldn't buy it because after the warranty is up the labor to do normal repairs will be though the roofNo sympathy AT ALL? :eek:

Check these links if you think the 08 Ford is not close to a disaster.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/03/ford_tailpipe_fires.html (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/03/ford_tailpipe_fires.html)

http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/19362753.cfm

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-07-01.php

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3288019&an=0&page=0#Post328019

Failed LBZ engines on stock trucks are starting to come out of the woodwork in a big way! I know of several recent failures of LBZ pistons (Not including mine that don't count http://www.***************.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif) The issue is not pegged down yet but the failures I have seen and heard were on trucks with low mileage and mild to moderate tunes on them. Nothing in excess of 150 RWHP over stock IIRC.

It is intresting however that taking an LBZ slug and machining it down to lower the compression hasn't shown an ugly face yet. In my case I have over 5000 miles some VERY HARD ones on my motor and she runs better every day.

The testing that Mahle did on my failed LBZ pistons showed that one of the failures was from high cylinder pressures due to tuning and the rest were on there way out from poor machining. A set of LB7 slugs were tested by Mahle at the same time and they determined that the LBZ piston was a better choice.



That doesn't sound to good fellars!


So you've single handedly heard of and seen several??? Thats amazing considering the large membership base here that hasn't heard the same. If there's an epidemic I'm sure we would know about it by now. It's perfectly normal for one or two to fail in relation to thousands of engines built. All diesel engine manufacturers have a certain number of pistons failures. It's all about the numbers.

BTW I'm confused about your post. 1st stating you have over 5000 trouble free miles then in the next sentence claiming failed pistons. :confuzeld

Check these links if you think the 08 Ford is not close to a disaster.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/03/ford_tailpipe_fires.html (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/03/ford_tailpipe_fires.html)

http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/19362753.cfm

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-07-01.php

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3288019&an=0&page=0#Post328019

Old news.

So you've single handedly heard of and seen several??? Thats amazing considering the large membership base here that hasn't heard the same. If there's an epidemic I'm sure we would know about it by now. It's perfectly normal for one or two to fail in relation to thousands of engines built. All diesel engine manufacturers have a certain number of pistons failures. It's all about the numbers.

BTW I'm confused about your post. 1st stating you have over 5000 trouble free miles then in the next sentence claiming failed pistons. :confuzeld


That quote is not from me it's from your 1000 HP dmax man, nastygirl. :eek:

I'm fully aware of the (Stock) piston issues related to modded trucks with higher than stock peak firing pressures. Realizing the LBZ was designed to support 360/650 it should come as no shock that hard parts break when taking their service beyond design limitations. No different for any of the big three.

Failed LBZ engines on stock trucks are starting to come out of the woodwork in a big way! I know of several recent failures of LBZ pistons (Not including mine that don't count http://www.***************.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif) The issue is not pegged down yet but the failures I have seen and heard were on trucks with low mileage and mild to moderate tunes on them. Nothing in excess of 150 RWHP over stock IIRC.

It is intresting however that taking an LBZ slug and machining it down to lower the compression hasn't shown an ugly face yet. In my case I have over 5000 miles some VERY HARD ones on my motor and she runs better every day.

The testing that Mahle did on my failed LBZ pistons showed that one of the failures was from high cylinder pressures due to tuning and the rest were on there way out from poor machining. A set of LB7 slugs were tested by Mahle at the same time and they determined that the LBZ piston was a better choice.



That doesn't sound to good fellars!

You're kidding right? Besides everything else that's wrong with them, bone stock 6.0 PSDs can't keep the cylinder heads bolted down and now even though most Ford dealers haven't even gotten a 6.4 yet there are 8 TSBs and counting. Shame on you for fishing for bad dirt on GM trucks.

You're kidding right? Besides everything else that's wrong with them, bone stock 6.0 PSDs can't keep the cylinder heads bolted down and now even though most Ford dealers haven't even gotten a 6.4 yet there are 8 TSBs and counting. Shame on you for fishing for bad dirt on GM trucks.but that is his job:rolleyes: ;)

Ford should worry about keeping their stock platforms on the road without issue before worrying about modefied GM trucks, in my opinion...

After reading those ford forums I kinda feel....well....dumber :confused: :Insane: ):h , when i get back here.... I feel alright again!:bounce:

Who's kidding who? I didn't have to dig for that info. Nasty posted in an open forum for the world to see. You guys are crazy if you would rather have a busted piston or broke connecting rod over a head bolt issue.

I'm fully aware of the (Stock) piston issues related to modded trucks with higher than stock peak firing pressures. Realizing the LBZ was designed to support 360/650 it should come as no shock that hard parts break when taking their service beyond design limitations. No different for any of the big three.

This is what Nasty said! Not stock piston issues on modded trucks, it's failed engines on stock trucks!

"Failed LBZ engines on stock trucks are starting to come out of the woodwork in a big way!"

This is what Nasty said! Not stock piston issues on modded trucks, it's failed engines on stock trucks!

"Failed LBZ engines on stock trucks are starting to come out of the woodwork in a big way!"

Most people here are very brand loyal and will refuse to admit there is a problem. I LOVE my truck and like the duramax. but it has a LOT of problems.

If only dodge had the asin back in 02. if only.

The sad part is these folks are quick to cast stones at the "other" brands. I guess they shouldn't do that if they live in a glass house! ;)

hey tmg, did you ever think maybe you have so many problems because you probaly think it is fun to bump your edge up to 5 and ripe around, yes all trucks have problems but the duramax has a fairly good track record, now for superposf350 that is superb that your truck runs good, but if I bought a 6.0 pile and ford discontinued it as fast as they did I would not be sticking up for ford.

Well, I can't speak for everyone's 6.0 but I do like mine. As far as why the 6.0 has been bumped up to the 6.4 we all know it's for emissions. The 6.4 is a bored and stroked 6.0 with common rail fuel injection, sequential turbo's and alot of emissions stuff on it. Just in case you didn't know the difference between the 6.0 and 6.4. BTW, I've got a 6.9 that had a 4 year run just like the 6.0. Does that mean the 6.9 was a POS too?

hey tmg, did you ever think maybe you have so many problems because you probably think it is fun to bump your edge up to 5 and ripe around, yes all trucks have problems but the duramax has a fairly good track record, now for superposf350 that is superb that your truck runs good, but if I bought a 6.0 pile and ford discontinued it as fast as they did I would not be sticking up for ford.

1. i dont have a level 5 on the edge. it is one of the first ones and it only has level 4.
2. I have only had injectors and a censor on the engine. The rest is problems with the truck it self. But the injectors are a huge problem and will be very costly once my warranty is up.
3. I drive like a grandpa in my truck. Why race the truck when i have an 06 R6? The R6 is a little faster and more race worthy than the truck.
3. How can you call these injector failures a good track record? the 12V cummins has a good track record with only the pin death thing BUT at least cummins steeped up and came up with a solution for the problem. The dmax has an ok track record but it definitely isnt great.

This is what Nasty said! Not stock piston issues on modded trucks, it's failed engines on stock trucks!

"Failed LBZ engines on stock trucks are starting to come out of the woodwork in a big way!"

OK show me the examples to support your claim that LBZ pistons in STOCK engines are failing in a big way. If you're sucessful at finding three out of the thousands built which I'm sure you can't then I guess it's only fair to say the 6.4 is catching on fire in a big way. And the 6.0 and 6.4 is having turbo, headgasket, injector, etc., etc issues in a VERY big way. Please provide your failing in a big way facts first hand and don't refer to the Ford camps normal defence of my brother in laws friend's daddy's ex girlfriend's son said..............With a statement like "coming out of the woodwork" I'm sure you have a few cases to share. Like said earlier Ford should concern themselves with their stock platform before worrying about competitors trucks that are modded.

As far as the statement from tmg115 about his 02 injectors I think we all realize there were more than average injector issues with earlier trucks. No where near what Ford customers were reporting. FWIW, I had a visit with my dealership a couple of weeks ago and they have yet to change an injector on an 06 and later truck. Not bad considering they've been on the lots over a year and a half............

SuperF350 before you enter yourself into a PS vrs. DMax pissing match just realize case reports on the DMax won't be as readily available as with Ford. Wonder why??????

Well, I can't speak for everyone's 6.0 but I do like mine. As far as why the 6.0 has been bumped up to the 6.4 we all know it's for emissions. The 6.4 is a bored and stroked 6.0 with common rail fuel injection, sequential turbo's and alot of emissions stuff on it. Just in case you didn't know the difference between the 6.0 and 6.4. BTW, I've got a 6.9 that had a 4 year run just like the 6.0. Does that mean the 6.9 was a POS too?
Heck no, the 6.9 was a great engine. I'd trust one with cylinder liners full of worm holes, over a new 6.0 or 6.4 any day but, I wouldn't take a 6.9 over any of the 7.3s I've had.;)

OK show me the examples to support your claim that LBZ pistons in STOCK engines are failing in a big way. If you're sucessful at finding three out of the thousands built which I'm sure you can't then I guess it's only fair to say the 6.4 is catching on fire in a big way. And the 6.0 and 6.4 is having turbo, headgasket, injector, etc., etc issues in a VERY big way. Please provide your failing in a big way facts first hand and don't refer to the Ford camps normal defence of my brother in laws friend's daddy's ex girlfriend's son said..............With a statement like "coming out of the woodwork" I'm sure you have a few cases to share. Like said earlier Ford should concern themselves with their stock platform before worrying about competitors trucks that are modded.

As far as the statement from tmg115 about his 02 injectors I think we all realize there were more than average injector issues with earlier trucks. No where near what Ford customers were reporting. FWIW, I had a visit with my dealership a couple of weeks ago and they have yet to change an injector on an 06 and later truck. Not bad considering they've been on the lots over a year and a half............

SuperF350 before you enter yourself into a PS vrs. DMax pissing match just realize case reports on the DMax won't be as readily available as with Ford. Wonder why??????

Look, I'm not the one that made that statement. It came from the fella that made the 1,000 HP out of his dmax. If you don't believe what he says take it up with him. You know nastygirl!

No one likes seeing this... :( Might sell more Dmax's, more Dodges, but worse off, more Toyotas... Let's hope they get this figured out quick so they can have a nice truck, and we can still rib them for the flames...:exactly:

Heck no, the 6.9 was a great engine. I'd trust one with cylinder liners full of worm holes, over a new 6.0 or 6.4 any day but, I wouldn't take a 6.9 over any of the 7.3s I've had.;)

I wouldn't take a 6.9 or 7.3 over my duramax, or my 97 6.5. They may have had a lot of power, but they were like driving a tractor around town when it comes to acceleration. My 6.5 ran off and left a lot of powerstrokes empty, and the duramax is faster, even though it is heavier.

I wouldn't take the 7.3 PSD over any of the Duramax's I've had either, but I would take the 7.3 TDI over the 6.5 TD any day of the week and I've had both.

sucks to be flat rate ford guy. glad i am in the detroit diesel R/D.

The ford guys over in that forum sound like a bunch of women who just found out someone died on their favorite soap:rolleyes: I'm amazed in the loyalty some of them guys still have(Ford's using their buyers as guinea pigs!).Ford has some real jacka$$'s working for them having this many serious probs this soon, not to mention the probs they're having getting thier engines built. Sounds like a disaster in the making.

i'm not a ford guy,but i have one and keeping it,back in 99 00 you would not have bought a gm diesel,and the other is a great loud motor surounded by a dodge!!no thanks. i'm a 50% 50%
and staying that way.but you can call me whatever you want except,a *****y old lady!!

I do feel sorry for the guys who bought these 6.4's dont wish a lemon on a vehicle on anyone, even if they were dumb buying a 6.4 in the first place I know what its like having my truck in the stealer for tons of warreny work (with my gm lbz) and its not fun.

Interesting that these guys say wait 4 years to buy a new Ford to get it right.
UGH, YUCK. I've always been a GM guy, but I sure hate to see any more
reasons (even if they are made up by biased consumer reports) for people to buy asian / jap junk. I sure hope Ford gets it fixed quick

What part of the good old USA did the Isuzu come from?????

I do feel sorry for the guys who bought these 6.4's dont wish a lemon on a vehicle on anyone, even if they were dumb buying a 6.4 in the first place I know what its like having my truck in the stealer for tons of warreny work (with my gm lbz) and its not fun.


The old saying "fool me once, shame on you..." comes to mind. I do feel sorry for IH though. They have always made good engines.
Ford has had so many issues since the eighties that I can't feel sorry for them. Besides somebody is going to build the trucks that Ford has been
selling. Ford has scapegoated Firestone and now IH. It is good to see the chickens come home to roost.

I do feel sorry for the guys who bought these 6.4's dont wish a lemon on a vehicle on anyone, even if they were dumb buying a 6.4 in the first place I know what its like having my truck in the stealer for tons of warreny work (with my gm lbz) and its not fun.


I don't wish a lemon on anyone either. Just curious, how much does that Lemon Law process cost once all is said and done? Are Lawyers involved?

We don't have the Lemon Law up here, so thats why I ask.

Well i know for sure that I will not buy a Ford Turd, I am hoping that GM doesn't have the same issues. Toyota should tho, they are rice burners.