Ordered this truck the first year they offered the 6.5TD. Am planning on putting on a free flowing exhaust and would like some input on which is best. Also, have decided that propane injection will give me the best bang for the buck and have found that Bullydog and the Powershot 2000 are the only ones out there that offer this add-on. True? Any major difference between the two that would warrant one over the other?

I have a kennedy exhaust system on mine. It is 3-1/2" all the way except for the downpipe which is 3" It is a little loud but not bad. It comes with stainless steel band clamps instead of the regular u-bolt clamps. They are much easier to use and you can take it apart again if you want. (you can see it at www.kennedydiesel.com (http://www.kennedydiesel.com) )


I got mine used for a real good deal and it still went together perfect even though it had been on another truck for a few thousand miles.


The only thing I know about propane systems is that you want one that turns on with turbo boost pressure. I believe the Powershot 2000 one does. (I have seen them here: http://www.lubespecialist.com/ )

Interesting how A-1 has no address or phone number..............


Any "verifiable" people ever deal with "them"?????


Tom

Be careful, read the posts at TDP abpout doing business with him.





He spends more time attacking other vendors than he does providing service.

What did the fuel rate go from when you changed it from the lowest to the highest setting?

Bill,


I'm glad you had a good experience with this vendor, I would caution you to heed his own sites advice though about site product recommendations, I have heard more bad than good about this vendor from members and not advertisers at more than one site.


His boost control similar to others out there I found at a competitor for $90, he says IC $1400 actually $1300 is current price at site he quotes price of PMD kit from, as for under bumper location, there really aren't a whole lot of better easy to fit options, bugs are a problem for grill mounted IC as well, if I off roaded this truck under bumper isn't a good location as he states but his alternative is WMI, if WMI were the absolute way to go, why are P-Stroke, D-Max, Cummins using IC, you gotta have plenty of clean water to inject, put some mineralized water to the turbo and see how long it holds up, plus turbos really aren't designed long term for water ingestion. For me IC is better option, & as this for me is a tow rig that I don't off road much I've had no probs being under bumper. Turbo lag into a IC as before I'm towing not racing, with boost control set properly, turbo lag can't be felt as far as I can tell in my tests.


$490 vs $ 510 He is quoting same site prices as I'm looking at, but only correct on that price, why is he selective in price quotes, plus he lists you can't buy separately you can at the other site buy what you need. A lot of negative tone in the site, it reminds me of polititical mud slinging preaching I'm good because the other guy is bad.


As he says cavieat emptor If I spelled it wrong my apologies.

I don't think I would ever order anything from a bussiness that has half the links broken and doesen't even have their own domain. It isn't like it costs more than $30 or $40 per year. It looks like the kind of place that could be gone tommorow and never see your order. (I only said looks, I know absolutely nothing about them except what I saw on the website)


You said that his exhaust systems are so much better but he doesn't even have a picture of the whole system, just a muffler. I would never put out over $500 for pipes without knowing what I was getting. I doubt that the clamps are any better either. The clamps are really nice stainless steel band clamps. He doesn't even say what kind of clamps are included. If they are just U-bolt clamps then they are very inferior, if they are band clamps then they are probably the same exact brand.

I was taught not to do business with companies that don't give addresses and phone numbers on their websites. Companies that have nothing to hide should be glad to have people be able to contact them.


Just a personal choice I have made.

Getting back to Lamonr's original question several ways to go about it as you can see from previous posts, I went the IC route despite all supposed ills so have many others, without trouble.


My 1st mod was open exhaust, and inlet filtration. At the time I went with Banks exhaust, I did not know the others then, come to find out it was higher than others but a good system, I started to go propane and BD, Banks, & Powershot all said I wasn't ready for it at that time, I'm ready now but can't afford it right now. I'd probably go 4" vs 3.5" I have now (Bigger gotta be better http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif diameter envy)probably no measurable difference 3.5 vs 4"


Key to Diesel power is airflow 1st then you can add fuel to take advantage of air you added. Overheat is a real problem with the 6.5 GM would not have upgraded it's design if improved cooling wasn't necessary. In a daily driver maybe it's overkill, but sustained HD towing the extra cooling requirement becomes apparent. When you add fuel/boost; heat does go up; IC reduces heat, I guess so does misting I don't know as I've not used that on a Diesel myself.


I don't know in Diesels but in gas turbines which is a fueled turbocharger basically which do I know; misting is used for power augment, and NoX supression, in that machine water chemistry and purity are a real concern, maybe the filter Diesel Bill mentions fixes that it is just a concern I have; I'm not saying one is better than the other.


I would recommend you go to Banks web site and go through their info section some good common sense info on Diesels in general www.bankspower.com (http://www.bankspower.com) yes it's slanted to their offerings but also some good info from somebody that has been in the business a very long time and a qualified expert on Diesel performance mods.Edited by: Turbine Doc

Same thing goes for you. Prove that your attacks on JK are justified. Where are these people he cheated??


I don't have names but go search on TDP for A! and I'm sure you can find the thread posted about the refusal of A1 to take back defective product and refund money.

Doing our best not to over Police, But .....

I've seen this purely opinionated argument go no where on other Forums .... I'm by no way picking sides other then to keep it clean and on topic non argumentive .... Once it goes completely south, it has begun the trek south, I will have to close the topic, and be more rigorous in ending it quicker before it starts in the future if it should arise .... We will take all the necessary follow up steps also.....

It is purely a vendor war, the subject always has been, take it off line please .....

Thanks for your corporation in this manner ....Keep it on topic ....



DieselPlace Staff ....Edited by: Mackin

Email is not an address

Email is not an address





Again .........





TAKE IT TO PM'ING OR E-MAIL ....... SUBJECT IS 6.5 ENHANCEMENTS... NOT VENDOR WAR !!!!! DONT INSTIGATE ...


NIPPING THIS IN THE BUD ,IT'S DONE ...





MAC

DieselBill, What fuel rate does the fuel controll give?
I would buy one if he gave a money back guarentee if it
did not show any gain in HP on a dyno. I was reading that
the fuel rate can be changed with a tech 2 to the max flow
of the pump, 80mm I think.

DieselBill, Can the fuel rate be changed while driving or does the truck need to be shut off first?

Joey if you can find a dealer willing you can have your PCM reset to the later program I read some where for about $75, my 99 L65 PCM delivers 78mm according to my Snap on scanner (99-01 are the 78 mm program years), which is significantly better than th 63mm L56 setting.


I think you will need a good VIN for the dealer to work with though, I can PM you mine if you like but it's not exact for my set up, some odd results when I use scan tool, the PCM is from a 99 3/4T 2wd van I'm 4x4 so some of the tool functional tests don't work as it's not a function programmed into the van's PCM it came out of.

I have been looking for a truck like mine just a 99 or a 00
model with the same specs.

Joey D;


I took my truck in for a bad IP, and the first (useless) dealer re-falshed my PCM, and voila! 78mm.... She used to smoke like a banshee too, with the old exhaust... If you're still in the warranty period (I'm not.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif ) maybe you can get your re-flashed if you IP were top suddenly start acting up....


-Chris

The 98-00 seem to be same fueling tables...

Denial can be such a sad thing to see. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Unhappy.gif

Interesting how A-1 has no address or phone number..............


Any "verifiable" people ever deal with "them"?????


Tom





Tom-


I'm a verifiable happy customer that has dealt with this company (A1 Customs).


I have boost controler, PMD cooler / Fuel contoler from them, very happy with both products.


I also have a Hypertech chip, with these mod, I see max boost of 18psi and EGTs don't over 900 or 1000. That's drive over highway 5, grapevine, for you guys in CA.


One mod that I'm not happy is my JK exhaust, 2 words, sh!tty fit, I had to cut the he!! out of it, just to get it under the truck ( he told me when I order it, "bolt on, no problems"). Also with his clamps he provided, the system keeps moving, so I've to "re-adjust" a couple of times....


anyways those are my 2.5 cents...


Blazer....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Hey Chris


How did you get the 98+ fueling program to work in your 97. I tried the same thing with my 97 but ran into Passlock problems. I had an 00 program flashed into another PCM, but the truck wouldn't start.


I'm dying for more fuel...

Bill do you have a copy of passlock learn if not I can send it to you I put a 99 L65 PCM in place of my 98 L56 78mm vs 63 no problems doing the learn, what I did find while doing it, you must follow times for key on/off to the letter

Guys one thing I can assure you is I have nothing at stake I'm no one's aledged buddy ,we are welcome to our opinion in a civil way .... This will not turn into a pissing contest .... I've seen this before on other forums not here .... As it was stated above this situation can be handeled in a very easy way .... Something tells me it may take a booting,I would like to avoid this if at all possible .... It's up to you ,you each control your own destiny ...


There is no lost love betwen these two 6.5 vendors we get the picture .... It's personal take it OFF line ...


Discuss topic not each other ...


Strike 2


Have a nice day ....


Mac

Dear moderator,


Time to move this thread to war room me thinks, Blazer new member joined today 1 post only, in this thread, no where, no who info in profile? A-1 ringer??? Hmmnnn??





Oh kool, just noticed also same selection of Emoticon as Diesel Bill





This will not happen .... Person to person agendas are not welcome in the War Room .... Take it off The Diesel Place ...





Mac





On Edit Not intended to you Doc just in general ...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gifEdited by: Mackin

DieselBill, I asked you a question in my last post about changing fuel rate while driving or does the motor
need to be off 1st, does it or can it be changed on the fly?

If you don't want to argue, don't. It's easy to do. Prove your only here for truck talk by doing so. I have been
waiting to read about someone using A1 Jim's controll to see if it worked.

Turbine Doc


No. I do not have any info on Passlock learn. I don't think my truck is capable of performing such function.


PLEASE tell me I am wrong.


I thought C/K trucks came equipped with it 98+.


Their has to be a way though. What about those passlock bypass modules for the remote starters? What about swapping late model motors into early model year cars/trucks?

I think you are correct abbout 97 not having Theft D; and I don't think; but am not sure; that theft lock and non theft locks are inter-changeable. Maybe when you had your PCM reflashed to the 00 program that is why it did not work as a 00 it was looking for the TL components/sensors not on your 97. Did you try the learn when it did not work for you, it's not too bad just takes time without a tech 2 . Do you have 2 PCMs a 97 and the 00 reflash or just the 1 reflashed to 00.


FYI if you have a EVO/Passlock module it is located center under the instrument panel, a late 97 may have possibly, it has a 16 pin green connector in side of the moduleEdited by: Turbine Doc

I have 2 PCM's. Bought one from junkyard in case I ran into this kind of trouble.


I didn't try any learn on the T/L. I DO have a Tech II.


I will check for EVO/Passlock module. Doubt it though. I think there is also a security light for models equipped with it.


Thanks. Keep ideas coming.

I have theft lock but no blinking light , wrong assumption on my part mine must be burnt out according to schematics of module I'm supposed to have itEdited by: Turbine Doc

Damn truck was built in January.


Guess I'm lucky to have the cooling upgrades...

BILLMAN:


Just noticed you're here on the Island.............give me a shout if ya ever need a hand. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Unlike some "other people"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif(a.k.a. Jim B.), I'm easy to get in touch with and ain't gonna try to sell ya anything.............as can be verified by MANY of our fellow members.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


JOEY D:


To answer your question, NO.............any change in the calibration resistor is only read at START-UP and NOT while in motion. It should also be noted that this reading is NOT done at every start, but rather every 40th(IIRC) start.


Tom


Edited by: RATDOC

Joey I'm also remembering 40 cycles or after a TDC learn before a resistor change in PMD makes a difference to fuel delivered, I'm not sure how the A-1 tuner would overcome this driving on the fly. It sounds interesting though DB can you elaborate for us how it does it's thing, DB this is not a attempt to take a jab at A-1 products but a genuine request for more info on something that could be a good thing.Edited by: Turbine Doc

Thats what I figured with his no reply

DieselBill, I am not looking for any info other than if it works and can the fuel rate be changed without shutting the truck off and
does it work, meaning can the fuel rate be seen by a scan tool or dyno #'s would show proof as well.
Don't be defensive, I asked you a couple of questions and you made a few repleys without answering so you look like your just here to
bash. Before my next dyno run I will buy a A1 fuel contoll and post the results. Are you saying the truck needs to be shut off before
changing the amount of fuel?

If ANYBODY (especially the CA crackpotshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif out to slam me) would like to stop by with a 94-5 6.5, I will hook up my Scan Soft and PROVE the resistor thing does NOT happen. If you have a 1996 plus, all you have to do is remove the resistor and drive the truck. No codes= no learn.





Jim, my address is on my web site (unlike others) in case you decide to take me up on this. I promise to be nice...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Billman,


I have two variant PCM's that I would allow Ratdoc access to for sanctioned use. NEITHER are for sale, but they are representative of a race program (complete with weak timing tables etc) and a 1999 HD program without the Passlock activated. I cannot reproduce the 99 program at this time, but I have a customer who added a 1998 steering column to enable the use of this type of program...

Dieselbill, I have been watching this post for awhile. I have no bones to pick with anyone. Any company that shoots down anyone else the way A1 did obviously is a fly by night and very shady company. as testy as you are in defending this company tells me you either work for them are are getting kick backs. You really need to get a life and use these forums for what they were intended, for sharing useful information, not badmouthing other people or advertisers. I have never bought anything form either A1 or Kennedy, but if I ever need to, it would be from Kennedy for the simple fact is he does not bad mouth other people and their products. I have yet to hear anything bad about Kennedy or his products. With that being said, I leave this site to go back to the other one where people share USEFUL INFORMATION.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I have yet to hear anything bad about Kennedy or his products.


Blazer mentioned a problem with Kennedy's products in this thread, here is my experience.



Before you try your tactic of saying "hmm, he's a new guy, only one post..." or take this as an attack on Kennedy, I'm posting a reply to the exhaust question and to the "who has JK ever cheated?" question.
John Kennedy knows who I am because I bought an exhaust system from him and had problems with it, and I was a member of the thedieselpage for a few years user "rracing", I both read and posted at that forum so you could say I had tenure there. I posted about my experience with the Kennedy exhaust and below is exactly as I posted at the thedieselpage, but I did the unthinkable and posted the God's honest truth, that got me banned temporarily I then told Jim Biglie my thoughts of his censorship and I was banned for good, oh what a loss not being able to read their advertisements.


Originally posted by rracing:
"I recently installed a Kennedy Exhaust on my '97 Suburban. Prior to ordering the JK system I had ordered a Banks system. When I received the Banks system the quality of the system was excellent. Flanges welded in place, the boss welded in the down pipe for the pyrometer, hangers welded in place so the stock hangers could be used, a one-piece tail pipe with a chrome tip and the entire system aluminized. It also came with instructions. The reason I returned it was it was a 3" system. Their system is advertised as 3" to the muffler and 3.5" from there back. EXCEPT on Suburbans. Suburbans are 3" in and out. Well, I wanted a 3.5" system so I called John Kennedy. He was very encouraging on the phone so I ordered his system. He explained about how the muffler had a freeze plug tack welded in the middle but that it could be removed with a pipe to get better flow and better sound. Sounded good to me. He told me he would include a boss with the order that could be welded into the pipe for the pyrometer. Great! Soon my shipment arrived and when I opened the box there were no flanges, no boss to weld in, no instructions and no chrome tip. Oh well it was a 3.5" system. I went to work removing the old system. Then laid out the cut to fit pipes to try to figure out which pipe went where and in which direction. The down pipe went in smoothly and fit well after bending the body seam flat that joins two sections of floor board together. This information was in the Banks instructions and I think John Kennedy told me this would make the pipe go in without rubbing. Next, I knew which two pipes were tail pipes, so I put them together and looked at the hangers supplied with the system. You could not hang the exhaust in the factory location with the hangers supplied with the system so I cut the factory hangers off the stock system with an air powered cut off wheel, rebent them for the larger diameter pipe, and welded them to the new exhaust. Now, what I have left is a pipe with an off set in it and a streight section that has a swedge on one end, which after playing with them for a while I realized they could only go in one way which rubbed on the rear heater supply lines. Both pipes were cut to fit pipes. The swedged down end fit nicely over the down pipe. Next I tried to remove the freeze plug in the muffler so it would be a flow through design. John said to use a pipe. I had a three inch pipe 5' long, stood the muffler on end and beat myself silly from both ends. I did accomplish rounding the ends where the pipes slip into which pounded back into place with not much effort. I don't think it is possible to get it out that way. I finally got out my air chisel and a long cutting tip and was just barely able to reach it and remove it. Again I had to use the factory hangers cut off of the stock pipe. Now I have to remove the down pipe and weld in the boss that I had to get myself because when I told John about it he just said "Oh! I forgot to send it and it will cost me $6.00 to send you one."
My system is in now and I am h

rracing, I had the same thing happen to my BD 4in exhaust. It is a junk system. I had to modify it to work and then I am not happy with it. I had my old system cut off before noticing that it would not fit. Sucks hu?

The more I read, the happier I am that I built my own 4 1/2" exhaust. Cost= $43.00 cdn. Time to install= 2 beers. Overall results= it workshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif. I'm not directing this to anybody in paticular, and I'm not trying to discredit anybody's products. Just sharing my own experience. Sometimes if you want something done right, you need to do it yourself.

I never said that the Kennedy system was any better or worse than any other. I just said it worked fine for me a went on real easy.


I just looked on his website and it does say that a Suburban will take extra work to install it.


If anyone has the band clamps coming loose, they most likely didn't tighten them enough in the first place. If I had a choice, I would take the band clamps first any day.

Whew!!!!!!!!!!


This sure has been interesting. Wasn't sure when to post with all that has been said.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Thanks for all that have responded to my initial inquiry. After more research I think I will pass on the propane injection and try a BD chip with the Banks System.

Whew!!!!!!!!!!


This sure has been interesting. Wasn't sure when to post with all that has been said.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Thanks for all that have responded to my initial inquiry. After more research I think I will pass on the propane injection and try a BD chip with the Banks System.




You aren't kidding ..... Good luck ,feel free to start anouther topic it "will" go better then this one .....

Mac .....
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I'm closing this thread as history has proven it will only get ugly and go racing down hill from here like a Furd .... Edited by: Mackin

Last word.