All I did was maintain my truck methodically, keep it clean, and tow trailers and what do I get in return, bad injectors and a wasted turbo at 37.6k. I do have the edge juice on it for the past 20k miles but just a 90hp and kept it on level 2. Needless to say I'm pretty mad that I have no truck for at least a month and I pull trailers for a living so there goes bills for the month. I know this is probably rare but still makes me want to go get a cummins. I hear they have mercedes trannies now that will last.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

You hear wrong. The tranny may last, it's still pretty early to judge that, but crawl under a new Dodge with an automatic and you'll find a 48RE which is still an evolution of a Torqueflight 727 . . . and it's tiny in comparision with the Alison.


Sorry to hear about your truck, but you have been working it hard with a modified intake, exhaust and a power box. Failing the turbo is extemely rare and makes me think guages are a good idea even at Juice level 2. I think you should consider yourself lucky if GM is picking up the bill for what broke.

do have gauges monitored egt's and boost never ran it at the limits for more than mere seconds. And I shouldn't take it out and say I'm getting a Dodge I'm GM for life just flustered right now about this misfortune.....Anyone gotta spare Duramax I could use for a little while?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Possible that the turbo failure and injector failure is related?

Happenes to the Ford 6L's all day long.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Are you letting the truck cool down a bit before shutting it off? If you stop and shut the truck off right away(just getting off hwy, or heavy towing) the oil is getting cooked in the turbo bearing housings, from the heat. Need to let truck sit (while idling, circulating oil) and let it cool down.

Maybe the cause of your turbo failure?

How did the truck tell you the turbo went?

Very sorry to hear about your situation. If I did not drive my truck all the time I would be willing to let you use it to tow... Might not do so well stock, but hey, better than nothing. I would suggest calling a truck rental place or see if GM is willing to help you out while they fix yours. You never know in a situation like this. They might come through for you.... Good luck

How did the truck tell you the turbo went?





A hollow whistling noise that changed pitch with the rise and fall of the tach. I always let my turbo cool down for about 30 seconds before I shut off the truck.

Just talked to my service rep. 4-5 weeks on the injectors, but the turbo is on intergalactic backorder from japan. Might be up to 6 or 7 weeks. There's gotta be a way better way to go about this I can't afford 6-7 wks without my truck. And I know this is a nationwide problem right now I now have 2 diesels that don't work a 6.5 hummer and a 6.6 duramax. Guess I'll go find an old cummins or powerstroke for 7-8k and use that until I get my trucks back. But chevy better be making some truck payments for the month or two they have it instead of the guy that shelled out 48k for there truck. And if I hear one more of my buddies that have powerstrokes and cummins say "See I told bout them Duracraps injectors" I'm gonna lose ithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

You can use mine . . .


. . . but you'll have to buy it firsthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif.


Seriously, if you paid $48,000 for that one you can have mine for half the price. . .and you can come and get it tomorrow. (You'll have to wait till the weekend if you want me to deliver it to Florida) So far no sign of injector or turbo troubles, but you will have to do your own shifting.


I'm needing something with more seats (Please GM, build the D-max Suburban, I've been waiting since 2001).

You can borrow mine a 1k per week.

Bummer about the breakage.........

Make your problem, GM's problem. GM had better come up with some commercial relief. Commercial guys wear out their trucks quicker. And they won't replace with a GM.

Make your problem, GM's problem. GM had better come up with some commercial relief. Commercial guys wear out their trucks quicker. And they won't replace with a GM.





Why, does F*rd or D*dge?


Commercial owners better have a back up plan ready. Be it a short term lease or an old gas beater truck sitting around.

Good point. But the back order is GM's problem. Can't make a quick fix.... Any other problem would be about a week, at the most. Between Bosch and GM, they are the ones hurting the commercial guys.

Most probably can't afford a back up truck.

Colorado Kid - I CANNOT believe youre selling!

I was reading your posts before I even got the max.

Your link, BTW, is bad. Why are you selling? Going to the diesel X?

Thanks for the info on the link . . .this board seems not to work with links from one forum to another within the board.





It's in the Classifieds here.


You've pretty much hit the reason . . . third kid makes the back seat too crowded on the all day trips so I'm in the Suburban, Yukon XL, Excursion market . . .except that I test drove a 7.3 Ex, and the wander is intollerable. If there was a D-max Burb I'd already own it. (OK, I know two have been built from scratch, but I don't have quite that many $$$$ just waiting to be spent.) A used Burb or Yuke is looking most likely while I continue to wait GM out on the D-max. . .but the $6,000 rebates plus my $1,600 GM card makes a "new" 2004 attractive too . . .http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I just don't want to be up to my eyeballs in debt on an almost new Yukon XL when the general puts a D-max in them. (Now, as always, rumored to be "next year"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif).


I'll try to sell it for awhile. If it doesn't sell I'll hang onto it untill the D-max Yuke happens and trade it in. . . .and just tollerate the fussing from the back seat or pawn at least one kid off on grandparents for the long trips.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I still love the truck, and Mrs. Kid can't believe it's for sale either.

Good point. But the back order is GM's problem. Can't make a quick fix.... Any other problem would be about a week, at the most. Between Bosch and GM, they are the ones hurting the commercial guys.

Most probably can't afford a back up truck. Not so much a commercial guy. Just got into this towing trailer biz about 4 months ago. My backup truck a 00 hummer h1 is in the shop with a bad oil pump. I have a 98 Silverado 2500hd gasser with 200,000 miles on it that has a hard time pulling itself around let alone with an extra 5-8k trailer. I'm looking at an 95 dodge cummins with 98k on it for 7.7k to tide me over until I get the d-max back

Wow, Turbo and injectors.....I feel for ya. Being without a truck is uncomfortable. Wonder how you get GM to make the payments while it is down on warranty repairs...I think they should.


I am really starting to wonder the negative effects the power adders are having on these engines. I seem to see more and more of the failures and common link is people stating they have the edge/juice addition. My friend had that happen to his about a year ago. Except he got entire new motor as the turbo going away caused major motor internals to go away as well. But he routinely used the juice on level 2 and 3. I shy'd away from power adders as my truck always towed with plenty of power even with 11K lb trailer, 3K lbs in the bed with 5 people on board. To date, and almost 100K miles, I have not had any issues not that I am trying to rub that in but wonder if there is a correlation. I know alot of people have posted injector failures but have denied to using power adders. But they have also said this was due to liability and did not want info posted just not sure who is watching....


Keep us posted and good luck

The 2 others that I know of locally who had their injectors replaced had no power adders what-so-ever. One has never even used any fuel additives. Bone stock everything down to the factory air in the tires.


Believe it or not, most D/Maxs owner that I know of have had no problems with their injectors. Just mine and couple others I know.


There are 11 sitting in our parking lot here at work, mine is the only one of the 11 to have them replaced.

Wow, Turbo and injectors.....I feel for ya. Being without a truck is uncomfortable. Wonder how you get GM to make the payments while it is down on warranty repairs...I think they should.


I am really starting to wonder the negative effects the power adders are having on these engines. I seem to see more and more of the failures and common link is people stating they have the edge/juice addition. My friend had that happen to his about a year ago. Except he got entire new motor as the turbo going away caused major motor internals to go away as well. But he routinely used the juice on level 2 and 3. I shy'd away from power adders as my truck always towed with plenty of power even with 11K lb trailer, 3K lbs in the bed with 5 people on board. To date, and almost 100K miles, I have not had any issues not that I am trying to rub that in but wonder if there is a correlation. I know alot of people have posted injector failures but have denied to using power adders. But they have also said this was due to liability and did not want info posted just not sure who is watching....


Keep us posted and good luck


Thanks will keep all that are interested posted.


On another note isn't there a bleeder valve or something that keeps this turbo from overboosting? Or just the SES idiot light. And also when they replace my injectors is it with an updated version or the same one's that left me high and dry?

I test drove a 7.3 Ex, and the wander is intollerable.

Do a search at the dieselstop for a Helwig anti sway bar. I think thats the name. Ive heard owners of X's swear by it.

Was the X you tested new? I know that ball joints are a problem for Ford, and can cause sloppy steering and such.

A friend of mine just got a 6L X. Very impressive, but just too big for me.....

You have a 5er dont you? Going to get one of those funky 5er to bumper pull dolly type deals? lol

Ex was not new, a 2002 with about 50,000 miles. Other problem with EX is I think it's too tall for the garage door, and Mrs. Kid is not going to scrape all those windows in the morning.


My dad's neighbor had a PSD EX and now has an 8.1L Yukon XL 2500. He swears the Yuke tracks better with his 24' Cabin Cruiser in tow than the EX did alone. He bought the EX brand new, and owned it less than a year. He also claims that the Yuke does almost as well on fuel economy solo (14 Yuke, 16 EX) and at least as well towing. (9 EX, 10 Yuke according to him). He won't sell me his Yuke even though it's my favorite color.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


The 5th wheel is already gone. I'm waiting on shopping for a travel trailer until I know for certain what the tow horse will be. I can still borrow the in-laws 5th wheel if I need to.Edited by: Colorado Kid