SINGLE BOX NO DRUGS STOCK STICKS AND STOCK TURBO NO FASS NO LIFT PUMP


VERIFIED BY MADDOG WHO CAN CONFIRM AND VERIFIED LOCK IN 4TH GEAR.


SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAID I COULD NOT BACK IT UP I CERTAINY DID


I WILL ACCEPT THE 700+ APOLOGIES NOW THANK YOU.


TIME TO GO WATCH MORE DYNO......MADDOG IS UP NEXT.


DTT TRANS WORKING WELL, BUT CANNOT LAUNCH ABOVE 1500 RPMS OR ALL 5 GEARS GO UP IN SMOKE.


YOURS TRULY


Got Juice?


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif Edited by: Got Juice?

SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAID I COULD NOT BACK IT UP I CERTAINY DID


I WILL ACCEPT THE 700+ APOLOGIES NOW THANK YOU.


YOURS TRULY


Got Juice?


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif





uhmmmmmm,


don't hold your breath.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Thttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifNY





P.S. post the dyno sheet.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

I'll be more intrigued and interested when all the information comes out right now just to many disclaimers and policies hindering all the facts.


I'm not doubting just would like to hear about the DTT direct drive getting less slippage and more power to the ground then the competition.


Also what box ,last I knew you were running a Bully and Juice and you sent the Bully in for a reflash right after your last dyno runs so you couldn't repeat.


Congrats on your run and I await more info.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Just so we are clear. I can buy/install your exact combination, run in the exact same atmospheric conditions, on the exact same dyno and make the exact same number?


At one time this was a forum where we came to share information about a hobby we all had in common. At some point it became a huge bullsh*t session/competition where people would brag about the HP numbers they made with a stock truck and just a programmer/tune and leave about half the mods out that they actually had.


This is what lead me to test everything I could get my hands on personally, as I gave up believing alot of what some people say.


Got Juice, great numbers! Congratulations. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


What dyno? What mods? Can I duplicate it on my truck and make the same numbers?

Congrats Juice! Glad to hear it. Please post the info we all need. Very interested for the future project. I need more fuel for it.

TTS Xtreme three way switch and dirty injectors and weak spring in my FRPCV holly red struggling to stay mounted with all the Diaper plant free copper brass fittings and ball valve.


AFE stage II Ceramic coated ,home made 5 incher hanging out back.


Resent upgrades is a Black AFE sock witnessed by two people.


Lets cleanse ourselves and repent.


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

I got a dirty red sock on my AFE, enough programmers to keep four members happy, real good STOCK injectors, Suncoast L-III, and a lift pump on order.


Best I could muster from one single box was 461HP/918TQ


So spill the beans...........


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gifNY

GJ,


Great numbers; post all the details when you can. Which tuner? Which rev? How's the driveability?


Better yet, run down to your local track with your current setup and post some 1/4m times & your trucks weight. That probably more than anything will help back up your numbers. At 550rwhp even with a CC truck you should be well into the 12's.


Congrats on the strong dyno runs.


Doug

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif right on, ehhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Bet he added a Dmaximizer, GMC-2002-Dmax, that's what did it http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Chk PM

.... as I gave up believing alot of what some people say.


me too.....


....there are a lot of numbers that can't be reproduced.


Mac and Tony....if you want to hear confessions....maybe you should become Ministers.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


What the hell..... I'll give you a taste....I ran a 13.4 with just the Quad 215, stock exhaust, and an AFE...(same crew-cab short bed everyone else runs, full tank of fuel, nothing removed not even the tailgate)..but when someone dynos his box...it is never stronger than a Hot Juice. At CT...I ran the same exact stack Mac did....WITH NO LIFT PUMP....and beat him.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif....DIRTY AFE, Banks exhaust.........and I guess I'll let the cat out of the bag.....FPPF.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


As far as anything else....I'd rather listen to the rumors...they are hilarious. Got Juice.....buckle up....it's gonna be a bumpy ride....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifwe should call our little soap opera here "AS THE SMOKE ROLLS"........great numbers provide the details Edited by: sdaver

"As the Smoke Rolls" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


ROTFLMAO!

nice cant wait to see the detailshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Juice......


You're about to have PM's like your arse is on fire and your feet are a catch'n. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Tell Richard to get a new bottle and a warmer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





............ Like torque through the tranny, these are the days of our Tranny Wars..... Part II


LMAO





Burner----------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

dipper wrote

"Mac and Tony....if you want to hear confessions....maybe you should become Ministers."


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/559_mactom.JPG

dipper wrote

"Mac and Tony....if you want to hear confessions....maybe you should become Ministers."


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/559_mactom.JPG


Daver,


That is frickin classic!


Got Juice,


Great numbers, congrats! Is this the same combo you ran on your stock tranny and made 544? I don't know of another Duramax that can make 550 on #2, there just does not seem to be enough air.


Must be the juice grips......

There are no safe altar boys now! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

There are no safe altar boys now! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Because there are no safe ministers. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I just love it when DIPPER gets aroused with a subject.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I see arrows flying from each coast. 550 hp at the wheels is good for low 12 sec 1/4. We have seen posts of much more hp and these trucks could not break 12.5 sec. Run the 1/4 mile and show slips . Diesel Techs favorite answer ( when he is running a dyno) to the question " how nuch horsepower do you think it will make?" " how much horsepower do you want it to make" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


mike

I made 528 on #2 not with on box and have been 12.97@103 so 550 would only get you a little better than that.

I made 528 on #2 not with on box and have been 12.97@103 so 550 would only get you a little better than that.


OK


Show me a 12.70 or a 12.80.


mike

WAS THIS WITH THE TRANSGO INSTALLED IN THE TRANNY OR IT STILL IN THE BOX UNDER THE SEAT JUICE???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Maybe he put the box on top of the trans while he was testing?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

MAYBE THE BEER WAS COLDER THIS TIME DURING TESTING

LMAO


Will try a run at the track tomorrow AM.


No secret stuff... you guys all know what i run with so...


oh and the DTT updates and transgo ripped out with c1 2 3 4 fried.


will post dyno when i get home... this has been an endurance test weekend... just checking into hotel now.


Later


BTW this 550# is no BS as witnessed by Maddog. Who i might add had congratulations after his run by Burner.. i just supplied the cellphone.


J-Trippin outhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Almost forgot.... the credential list.


View it here


http://www.piersdiesel.com/Dyno2003Results.htm

J-Trippin,http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Can you post a dyno graph? Atmospheric Conditions during the run?


Can I duplicate it if I buy the same parts?


Can I have a shopping list?





Really Trippin out. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

"As the Smoke Blows (up my arse)"

I think we all want to know what you are running.... I think you need to spill it and tell. You can not keep it a secret that long, it is eating you up so bad you want to tell us, you need to tell us.... So........when you gonna tell us????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: GMC2500HD

Sure is quiet around here? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

They probably all out racing


Geno

Quit Trippen over your feet trying to find out. Just Trippen'to the Confession booth is all that is necessary.


Let The Truth Set You Free,cleanse the sole!





Mac

I gotta know.............was it a dream or just someone else's reality..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


When I roll it in CT on a superflow I'll believe it...........


Seeing BMDMAX roll with injectors and NOS on a SC-Level IV tranny and make between 550-600HP............so if Got Juice got 550HP with a stock tranny .............I want what he's smokin'...........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif....and it just ain't clutches............





Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifNYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

why are the unbelieveable numbers always from canada?

What's that supposed to mean?

maybe it's metric horsepower?


ROFL

Its Imperial Horsepower.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Blake

Hey Tony, Did you notice that Brandon lost HP on #2 when he went with larger injectors? However, after the N0s he gained....... to the sum of 742 HP.





Burner------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Hey Tony, Did you notice that Brandon lost HP on #2 when he went with larger injectors? However, after the N0s he gained....... to the sum of 742 HP.





Burner------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





I am well aware of Brandon's dyno numbers............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


I know I have run everything there is to run on a stock tranny and on a SC-LIII........so I am skepticle of the GOT JUICE 550RWHP numbers..........


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifNY

Well, how do we get any more verification? We know who, what and where but..... I guess we need someone that was at the show to chime in? I wonder if Maddog would be of any help? I doubt anyone would take Bill's word on it. What about the dyno type? If it's a load type dyno, would that help or should he just run by a Dyno-jet and get more numbers? Other than a track slip....... that's all we have, a post of 550 and a Dyno event showing a barrage of numbers. I wonder if this dyno has ever been used before? If so, can we compare the two between any truck?


Dig in and find out. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Burner--------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

why are the unbelieveable numbers always from canada?


Why do they always fall on their.... or is that stepping on their .... when they cross the border? Must be the Moose, or was that Meece? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

It must be in the Molson...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Somebody's look'n........... 763 so far. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Somebody's look'n........... 763 so far. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





And that will probably run 13.0 because something or another happened. Funny, mtomac does not have this kind of bad luck. Go figure?

I wonder ......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

The dyno at muncie this year wasn't suitable for some high Canadian Horesepower. I believe there were even offers to pay the dyno fee.

Also, times and feet don't lie.(as much).

The dyno at muncie this year wasn't suitable for some high Canadian Horesepower. I believe there were even offers to pay the dyno fee.

Also, times and feet don't lie.(as much).


Kyle, whats wrong man? Did one one of us CANADIANS piss in your wheaties or something? I talked to you in muncie, you didn't show any signs of dislike when I talked to you face to face, where is this all coming from????

easy bud, No personal problems at all. Your a cool dude.

It just simpily I don't believe the numbers and don't understand why the rollers couldn't have been spun in front of everyone so that there would be believers.

Isn't this the same dyno that Lyndon Wester has?





As I understand, he has trouble testing anything over 400RWHP.





I ran some mid to upper 500's at the IA charity dyno run too. I kept the prints, but will not claim them as I know there was a traction problem. It's just not possible to get reliable, repeatable, realistic numbers when you slip on the rollers...


GJ,


Bring that truck on down, and I'll give you a couple of hours on the house. Whatever it runs, it runs, and that's what it runs as far as I'm concerned nay sayers or not...





PS. (not wanting to drag Piers into this) If Piers says it does 550, then I believe that it does 550. I'd suggest BD's dyno, but that Mustang won't hook up either last I heard...

easy bud, No personal problems at all. Your a cool dude.

It just simpily I don't believe the numbers and don't understand why the rollers couldn't have been spun in front of everyone so that there would be believers.


There is no point in showing people man! Really there isn't. I mean look at juice for instance, even though it happened and there were witnesses, people are all over him!! There are always gonna be people out there that have something to say, and as far as I am concerned myself nor heartbeat wanted to ruin our wonderful trip to muncie by listening to people bicker about wether the run was a legitimate one or not!!

I think its cool if the numbers are correct. Funny thing is, one year in Virginia, I along with others watched Davidtd set his numbers on the dyno to really mess with Rattlin Ram. Like to the tune of 100 hsp, or so.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Poor guy about shat himself with laughter. I also saw embelished numbers. Why? Do you like lying to yourself.

The dyno at muncie this year wasn't suitable for some high Canadian Horesepower. I believe there were even offers to pay the dyno fee.

Also, times and feet don't lie.(as much).


I'll take it as this is directed towards me.


Not sure who offered to pay for my dyno run, but money is/was not an issue, and as far as times and feet are concerned.........its probably too complicated for most of you to understand, as you can't hear or see with your heads buried up someones or there own a$$. Yes there is alot of you on the forum like this. If you seen the vid of my pull, you would realize it started shutting down after 250ft, and died shortly after. $hit happens when your trying new tunes


A select few on the forum know what problems i found with my truck in months after, and i have helped a couple with the same problem as mine. They at least appreciate it, unlike most here.


Its not hard to see what goes on around here, and its a shame that one member who doesn't post that much anymore, isn't here for most of you to learn and take lessons from, cause alot of you need as much help as he can give you. I learnt alot from him and he's the reason why a 674 run was possible. Too bad most of you don't know $hit about nos. Hopper knows who this is as he talks to him quite frequently.


Juice- great run and congratshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif, it seems the credibility of everyone at the dyno that seen you truck run, isn't good enough.....go figure. It will never be good enough for some if they don't have a truck like yours. Funny how jealousy works with most of these dyno queen grocery getters, and how they react when they can't get results like that.


Flame away boys, you won't get a rise out of me........i will stay in contact with the ones i talk too on a regular basis via phone.........Edited by: heartbeatcanada

"Juice- great run and congratshttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif, it seems the credibility of everyone at the dyno that seen you truck run, isn't good enough.....go figure. It will never be good enough for some if they don't have a truck like yours. Funny how jealousy works with most of these dyno queen grocery getters, and how they react when they can't get results like that. "


where are all the others that "witnessed" this at ?? and why so hush hush with no dyno slips or anything ? maybe he did, maybe he didnt, but come on already, put up or shut up !

Got Juice,


Not everyone knows what you run so please fill the others in on what box please.Edited by: BassinRVer

Here's what is missed. Now first I could or don't care one way or another but most will come and say or when asked:





I ran XXX and XXXX with (fill in the stack or programmer device).That's why the disbelief is in some.


Also for you new arrivals and some old, lets reflect,


1) http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1055&PN=1


2) http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1422&PN=1


where some of this what appears to be disbelief came from. Like I said I'll await more information.


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Keep the faith boys. It seems more and more of us are making bigger and bigger #. Some can tarnish it, but it is a reality that is starting to hit every where. It is hard to believe for some because we are having a hard time getting much over 500hp with just #2. Maybe we need to help each other in that department. Not to take over but to get an understanding of what is going on and how to get past it. I only made 472hp on #2 at this altitude, what would it be at sea level pressure? I would love to know how to get past that road block. My ears are open. Lets not zero in on the ones that are trying to help US ALL in the bigger, better department. Chime in here Juice.

My post did not totally post. Sorry. What I was trying to say is that I dont think anybody cares about what this really is. I know I can not get those numbers. Craig McCelfresh dynoed mine at 360 3 different runs. I was very happy. So Got Juice, you are the man. I am glad to see it happened for you.





Fellas leave him alone. Its cool, everybody is cool. Man now I really need that box.

"Fellas leave him alone. Its cool, everybody is cool. Man now I really need that box."


We just want to know what box, or is he not saying what box because it is Quad product? Is it the new TTS programmer that is not out yet? What is the big secret?Edited by: BassinRVer

Juice, you didn't drink a big enough cup of..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Better have another one until you're ready to defend your Ph.D thesis in Advanced Turbodiesel Physics....


The review board has assembled. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Juice, you didn't drink a big enough cup of..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Nobody has busted his balls inawhile and I think he was feeling left outhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I thought you had a reworked turbo too?


Congratshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Time for some timeslips nexthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Edit: Time to change your sighttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif Edited by: ratlover

Ok, Juice is still not home. It may be a while before he can post.


Juice was/is running a custom box from VaAken. Mark was there and tuned the box just for the Juice. The Bully that Juice had went awrey three days before he arrived at the shop. He could not have stacked with it, even if he wanted to.


The track times are not accurate. Juice spun and spun and spun in 2wd. Trying the 4x4 approach he had to be easy...just 7lbs of boost and no tie-rod ends or helpers on the springs made things more difficult. I think he needs some of SuperDiesels stuff. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif 550 RWHP and a quick lock-up trans can fry a turbo. Smartly, Juice brought his last turbo with him. It is being installed as I type this.


.... more later





Burner------------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

So your saying the stock turbo gave out at the strip or at the dyno run? And it gave out when the torgue convertor locked up?

ssshhhhhh.....could it be the VA300+ http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

That IHI turbo was a little ragged. It had lots of slop.


To answer your question...... Yes, heavy aggressive programming and a snappy trans can (not will) toast a stock turbo. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif I could not say exactly where it happend. I would guess, the turbo was a little sloppy going in. The track just finished it off.





1149Edited by: Burner

Juice goes through turbos faster than I go through tireshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

Did Quad ever come out with that larger turbo? Who else is making an aftermarket trurbo? Is GJ replacing with new OEM turbo's? Has he distroyed up an aftermarket turbo?

Replacing stock IHI with slightly used stock IHI turbo.

ssshhhhhh.....could it be the VA300+ http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif








Gotta be more VA then Kennedy has. If anyone could have squeezed 5'n Half out he would have with out a doubt.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Somebody's look'n........... 763 so far. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





And that will probably run 13.0 because something or another happened. Funny, mtomac does not have this kind of bad luck. Go figure?





Yes something did happen... which was at the track...


for all those who want to think you cannot blow up a turbo with programming only would you like to step up and start sending money to PDR? they are doing a re and re as we speak.


1/4" fore and aft play is normal isn't it?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif





Y'all could call Mark from VanAAken for verification or Maddog, but richard is still driving home.


Might post the LOAD DYNO results, but after the last time the sheet was posted it still proved nothing.... maybe Maddog's run was bogus too then.


Trippin...lol... thought you would get a kick out of that.


Juice Trippin Out


well... as soon as the turbo gets replaced anyways.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Dyno Dynamics dyno ......right?

http://dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DDD_untitled2.jpg

Last year's Dyno's numbers.........

not trying to go after you here juice buddy ,but yes turbos can be destroyed with just programming,been there done that and got a t shirt,but the question is why is programming alone doing this to the turbos?must be some awfullyhard and fast shifts.do you think the harsh/fast shift of your trans caused this problem or just gave up after mutliple times of extended abuse.....also nice...numbershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Silly novice question here guys - how exactly does a tranny kill a turbo? I thought most turbo failures were for overboost conditions...


Doug

not trying to go after you here juice buddy ,but yes turbos can be destroyed with just programming,been there done that and got a t shirt,but the question is why is programming alone doing this to the turbos?must be some awfullyhard and fast shifts.do you think the harsh/fast shift of your trans caused this problem or just gave up after mutliple times of extended abuse.....also nice...numbershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Thanks Jess. If i were to hazard a guess (and that is what i am trying to do here is guess) that the ASL Strip at SIR...ASL Dyno @PDR and a Banks Wastegate that was set to 30PSIG. 30PSIG in 1st, 30 PSIG2nd ,3rd gear Boost spike under lock to 35PSIG 4th gear boost spike to 37 PSIG and i quit looking after that. I think i will look into building a stepper driven turbo tachometer... it will become as important to diesel tuning as an EGT Gauge because of pressure/density/fuelling variables, the Surge speed will become very important... in fact... naaaaa... i will have a cup now.


The turbo's play i posted was in error.... 1/4" +/- @0 so that would be 1/8" play in 2 directions... sorry, my bad on that.


As far as the barking is concerned, 1 must have barked 15 times on a gentle let off, but more than 50 times on upshifts.... time for a BOV or recombination valve.


The numbers are genuine, Mark from VanAAken did the install (got pics too (LOL) 550.5 Diesel Only, Stock turbo injects no C3H8 no N2O no LP no FASS no FPreporator, 1QT stanadyne in 10 Gals of fuel and that was it.


Jess, tranny is shifting very well, think TH400 with RevMan VB in it.... that will give you an idea. When DTT finishes with C3&4 I will get the first taste of 'Everything' this trans will do. The shift timing is faster when more throttle is added which is consistent with the pressures we have been looking at. At this time my initial impressions are very good, and will try to keep you posted more as i accumulate more seat time and power on #2. I would post pics of the parts, but after seeing them and remembering someone's post about "ripoff and duplicate" i decided not to take the pictures so that i would not be tempted to post them. And believe me... for me to have that kind of opportunity and turn it down is really something. Pretty looking things though. The Edge CJuice put down a very respectable number and the monitor showed no slippage, and the VanAAken stole the show with a 550.5, the CJA close behind with a 479.0 If i had to pick one box for day to day, i know which one it would be, but there is no doubt in my mind that the big VanAAken puts serious numbers up on top rpm ranges. Mark or Edge's tuning notwithstanding, i would like to thank them for their efforts in my quest for 600 on #2 only


For the Crew and Attendees at the NW Nationals it was great to meet new faces and old, Richard... Great to meet you and even better to get the grand tour of your Bad@ss Ford!

Juice goes through turbos faster than I go through tireshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif





Nawww, Not possible..... I go thru tires faster than turbos.... usually

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The numbers are genuine, Mark from VanAAken did the install (got pics too (LOL) 550.5 Diesel Only, Stock turbo injects no C3H8 no N2O no LP no FASS no FPreporator, 1QT stanadyne in 10 Gals of fuel and that was it.>





So Kennedy should feel Jipped and I'm going to recommend Tony gets a refund.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

LET THE DOGS OUThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I just want to be clear here. I think it is fantastic that Juice made these numbers! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Nice Job!


And, if he wants to keep the way he did it, to himself, I can respect that as well.


Where the whole thing goes wrong for me is if somone says I stacked "this box" with "that tune" and thats all I did to get 550RWHP. Then a bunch of us go out and spend the money on "this box" with "that tune" and guess what, we come up way short. Then it eventually comes out that some other factor in deed helped it get those numbers. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif Or they were bogus to help a vendor sell his new super widget because he gave the test candidate parts.


If we are sharing info, then let's do it. If we are playing poker, then deal me out, I've got better things to do.


Once again, congrats to Juice on the numbers! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


Edited: 5550RWHP to 550RWHPEdited by: Trippin

This is starting to get good... More info to follow, stay tuned to our next episode of " As the Diesel burns"..... http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: GMC2500HD

LET THE DOGS OUThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


I guess the impartial moderators here did.... right 'Smackin?'http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Geez, hypocritical is about the nicest thing i can say here.... you wanna know everything and then start flippin crap, then whine when i don't volunteer the information.... even a shum dit knows better than thathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


No Sugar


No Cream


Just a cup talking nowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I'll post a sheet in 2 or 3 days.... or fax it to CPMac...or Burner to post.

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That's me! Do I look like the "coddling impartial type",hope not?





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Do I look like the "coddling impartial type",hope not?

Ah, that would be a big NEGATORY there Father Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

JUICE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE SKEPTICS WANT A LIL CROW SERVED UP WITH THAT BIG OLD CUP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

JUICE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE SKEPTICS WANT A LIL CROW SERVED UP WITH THAT BIG OLD CUP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Ya, but some cups just need a bigger set to fit. Crows are as black as the kettle you know.





But Piers is now telling me to keep the boost under 50 PSIG and try hard not to bark the ever living snot out of this one.... but on the upside the ported housing and stuff is still there ... Don't worry Mackin, I am sure when Piers reads all this he will still sell stuff to you, but you probably lack the credibility for the 'juicey' discount.


But if you are satisfied with less power, than by all means keep it up...see you in the rearview!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: Got Juice?

JUICE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE SKEPTICS WANT A LIL CROW SERVED UP WITH THAT BIG OLD CUP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Ya, but some cups just need a bigger set to fit. Crows are as black as the kettle you know.





But Piers is now telling me to keep the boost under 50 PSIG and try hard not to bark the ever living snot out of this one.... but on the upside the ported housing and stuff is still there ... Don't worry Mackin, I am sure when Piers reads all this he will still sell stuff to you, but you probably lack the credibility for the 'juicey' discount.


But if you are satisfied with less power, than by all means keep it up...see you in the rearview!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif








I just want to perserve this for later.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

JUICE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE SKEPTICS WANT A LIL CROW SERVED UP WITH THAT BIG OLD CUP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Ya, but some cups just need a bigger set to fit. Crows are as black as the kettle you know.





But Piers is now telling me to keep the boost under 50 PSIG and try hard not to bark the ever living snot out of this one.... but on the upside the ported housing and stuff is still there ... Don't worry Mackin, I am sure when Piers reads all this he will still sell stuff to you, but you probably lack the credibility for the 'juicey' discount.


But if you are satisfied with less power, than by all means keep it up...see you in the rearview!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif








I just want to perserve this for later.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





For church or something?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif?


heck, the run was only 7.2 RWHP stronger than last year!


Mind you , Richard had a tough weekend... turbo elbow, input shaft.. but was that thing awesome in the PDR parking lot.... tires lit all the way ... twins barking.... cool factor on a scale of 1-10 when that big turbo lit up was a solid 12.... gave me a bad case of Cummins envy that's for sure. Never thought i would ever get to see that truck run or dyno..... got a nice video of it idling beside my ride..... AWESOME event!

Mac


Why are you not running this program? You have the proof, you are trying to convince us. Put the bitch in your truck and then rave about it. Then send it to Nick and watch your world fold up. TRACK TIMES please. No excuses, no bad weather, no bad track, no bad anything. Run it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


mike

Mac


Why are you not running this program? You have the proof, you are trying to convince us. Put the bitch in your truck and then rave about it. Then send it to Nick and watch your world fold up. TRACK TIMES please. No excuses, no bad weather, no bad track, no bad anything. Run it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


mike





UM , bbbebebebebebebebebebebebebebbbbb strumming fingers on my lips,What?





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

you really mean <font size="6">WTF</font>somebody get one to try Ill pay the fedex to CT or WISconsin both ways

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SINGLE BOX NO DRUGS STOCK STICKS AND STOCK TURBO NO FASS NO LIFT PUMP


VERIFIED BY MADDOG WHO CAN CONFIRM AND VERIFIED LOCK IN 4TH GEAR.


SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAID I COULD NOT BACK IT UP I CERTAINY DID


I WILL ACCEPT THE 700+ APOLOGIES NOW THANK YOU.


TIME TO GO WATCH MORE DYNO......MADDOG IS UP NEXT.


DTT TRANS WORKING WELL, BUT CANNOT LAUNCH ABOVE 1500 RPMS OR ALL 5 GEARS GO UP IN SMOKE.


YOURS TRULY


Got Juice?


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JUICE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE SKEPTICS WANT A LIL CROW SERVED UP WITH THAT BIG OLD CUP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Ya, but some cups just need a bigger set to fit. Crows are as black as the kettle you know.





But Piers is now telling me to keep the boost under 50 PSIG and try hard not to bark the ever living snot out of this one.... but on the upside the ported housing and stuff is still there ... Don't worry Mackin, I am sure when Piers reads all this he will still sell stuff to you, but you probably lack the credibility for the 'juicey' discount.


But if you are satisfied with less power, than by all means keep it up...see you in the rearview!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Very interesting............


I notice the claims are with a stock turbo and injectors......#2 only........


Now I see that you have a ported housing............stock compressor wheel on the turbo or is that different too ????


Are you running any special blend of diesel.........like 80 Cetane race

I have one of these if anyone needs one...........


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As the Dyno turns......... Edited by: Burner

....... Get home Juice! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


We want some dyno charts. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Burner-------------&gt; http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

So can you help me to become a believer ????


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Ya, Call Maddog or Piers.... BTW does this seem like Deja-Vu again to anyone else but me?

....... Get home Juice! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


We want some dyno charts. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





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Someone supply a Fax#


Too darn lazy to look for my scanner powercable.

....... Get home Juice! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


We want some dyno charts. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





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STFU!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif 1 Blown turbo 4 U-Joints all fixed within 10 hours and you're flippin me crap?


Ok, i deserve it! Thanks for the phone calls to keep me awake on the drive home!

I see you updated you sig finnalyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


turbo # 4? A couple of different trans upgrades, numerous tires, new box.....that 6.5 hp cost you an assload. Heck, I've got some stickers i woulda sent you for freehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifEdited by: ratlover

"stock with 550.5 hp" should that say "550.5 HP with #2 and one box only". A stock truck will only make only 250 HP, everyone knows that. HA HA HA HA
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BTW does this seem like Deja-Vu again to anyone else but me?





Nope





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Mackin

"stock with 550.5 hp" should that say "550.5 HP with #2 and one box only". A stock truck will only make only 250 HP, everyone knows that. HA HA HA HA



LMAO..... no doubt!

I see you updated you sig finnalyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


turbo # 4? A couple of different trans upgrades, numerous tires, new box.....that 6.5 hp cost you an assload. Heck, I've got some stickers i woulda sent you for freehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif





LOL The Ricer Motto: "Vinyl Adds Horsepower"


Ricer Credo: "It Far Better To Look 320MPH Than To Go 320MPH.....Rice No Aero Over 120MPH.... 30' Wing Make Front End Too Light...Tires Lose Much Traction"

this will have to do until i get my scanner sorted out.


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So what I think I am seeing here is that you made 550.5 RwHp on #2. The list of parts used to make that number are a modified factory turbo, over sized injectors, exhaust kit, air intake kit and a special program in one box. I would love to see a picture of the above graph that shows the RPM scale as well, how about a new picture. Also what were your EGT's and boost pressure?


I believe that it is possible since we have made 520 on one box with stock injectors, stock turbo, exhaust kit and a program. I think we need to define stock as to mean untouched, the way the factory supplied it, that would stop some confusion IMHO.Saying stock injectors, stock turbo when both have been modified is misleading and confusing to say the least.Edited by: Diesel Tech

DT, I think everyone has gotten a little confused on the trans and turbo.


I think the trans was "almost" stock. The turbo's are all non-modified OEM.


Basicly, the truck is OEM + a MOD trans + one box, to the best of my knowledge. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





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DT, I think everyone has gotten a little confused on the trans and turbo.


I think the trans was "almost" stock. The turbo's are all non-modified OEM.


Basicly, the truck is OEM + a MOD trans + one box, to the best of my knowledge. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





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You forgot to add stock injectors too....


the only other mods are the AFE2 and Banks 4"


Temps? who looks at those when dynoing...run what you brung, go for broke.... and the turbo certainly did... mind you the powerbark upshifts were cool...but did not help turbo life..... life for an IHI turbo like these ends quickly at 37PSIG post CAC..... drive pressures be damned..... if you wanna run hard to be top dog..... sacrifices sometimes have to be made..... thank goodness i had (yet another) spare turbo..... no wonder there are none avail on ebay anymore!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Here's something to consider... i run my turbo at no more than 32ish lbs of boost which is &lt;30 until i hit 4th gear... i've ran it higher once or twice, and my power went up... i'm sure if i ran it at the level GJ runs i could make mroe power, but i don't feel like blowing turbos left and right- that just seems silly to me.. if you know your turbo will only hold so much why push it and keep blowing them? i guess i'm saying i could make more- as many of us could if we only wanted to do it a few times and risk grenading our turbos.. take Super Diesel as an example.. he made some GREAT power, learned a lot, and found some limits (whether he was looking for them or not).. i'm guessing his next step will be to take what he learned and not blow the HG so quick this time..


Perhaps i'm just envious i don't have the time/money keep blowing stock turbos.. i'll just sit where i'm at and wait for something better that's designed to take the high boost..


GJ- good job and very impressive numbers! at least you've found how much 3 stock turbos can take.. i apprecaite you sharing your boost #'s so i know how high to not gohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Then if it takes a custom VA a stock turbo sacrifice to make 550 one time ,whats the whole point then?


It can't be used as reliable power but it then just becomes a mere spike ! Big deal.





Mac

Then if it takes a custom VA a stock turbo sacrifice to make 550 one time ,whats the whole point then?


It can't be used as reliable power but it then just becomes a mere spike ! Big deal.





Mac





Mac, it is a big deal... you are missing the point entirely.... you poo poo the number because of a blown turbo... get some ***** yourself and push the limits then... then you can poo poo all you like. "you can't run with the big dogs if you pee like a puppy"
... no spike, just power.... you can't learn how to go higher further or faster by playing it safe... ya gotta push the envelope. This effort is making Piers Accelerate his DMX program on turbos beacause of this episode even with the 6 week backlog on his dodge twin turbo sets. So in the end that will help all of us, which is the reason why i am doing this type of testing along with a few others. They garner my respect because they 'think outside the box and push the limits' and these people should be applauded for their efforts, not looked at with derision for a few broken parts... in the end we will all be faster for it if the attitudes around here change for the better. I am all for sharing information, so long as it isn't always in front of a fking firing squad!

what does it mean, by "#2"... I understand 1 box but not #2....





BIG

Here's something to consider... i run my turbo at no more than 32ish lbs of boost which is &lt;30 until i hit 4th gear... i've ran it higher once or twice, and my power went up... i'm sure if i ran it at the level GJ runs i could make mroe power, but i don't feel like blowing turbos left and right- that just seems silly to me.. if you know your turbo will only hold so much why push it and keep blowing them? i guess i'm saying i could make more- as many of us could if we only wanted to do it a few times and risk grenading our turbos.. take Super Diesel as an example.. he made some GREAT power, learned a lot, and found some limits (whether he was looking for them or not).. i'm guessing his next step will be to take what he learned and not blow the HG so quick this time..


Perhaps i'm just envious i don't have the time/money keep blowing stock turbos.. i'll just sit where i'm at and wait for something better that's designed to take the high boost..


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Shoot buddy, i don't have the time or money either, but water the soup and scramble the eggs.... the last 2 turbos i bought were on ebay... got one for 50.00 and one for 250.00


a spare and one for Piers to work on...BTW friendly advice, even on a banks big head, pressurize to NO MORE THAN initial 28LBS initial lift...otherwise a built tranny under WOT conditions going into another gear on a non defueled locked shift will blow past it.... 39+ PSIG if i had to guess... to test yours, go to 5th lock on your boxes highest setting under load (uphill) on the highway and boot it to 4th gear.... if you see more than 34 dial your gate down roughly 1 turn per 1.5PSIG boost decrease... it is the only way to be sure.


On EDIT...the most you really want to see safely is 34PSIG POST CAC! even then be gentle on the letoff, but it will not powerbark (worse in situ than a regular bark believe me) will post pics of the turbo later


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what does it mean, by "#2"... I understand 1 box but not #2....





BIG





#2 Diesel fuel only.... ok, i lied.. a little (lol) stanadyne in the tank as well.

Hey Juice good for you.You are more than welcome to be the test pilot the Pioneer.


I personally want reliable raw power for everyday use. I also don't my truck "silly" abused by some performance company for free stuff when by the time I get it, my engine is half spent. To each their own and knock yourself out.I didn't know you whored your truck out!


So carry on http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Don't take offense but we finally are aware your testing ,testing ,1 2 3 4.





Mac

Congrats!


What failed on the turbo? Bearing? Or melted turbine?


With enough $$$ you can "fix" any weak link.

Hey Juice good for you.You are more than welcome to be the test pilot the Pioneer.


I personally want reliable raw power for everyday use. I also don't my truck "silly" abused by some performance company for free stuff when by the time I get it, my engine is half spent. To each their own and knock yourself out.I didn't know you whored your truck out!


So carry on http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Don't take offense but we finally are aware your testing ,testing ,1 2 3 4.





Mac





Not nearly as large a whore as you 'big guy'


and No free lunches here either....My own VanAAken box is a prototype and is not for public consumption so... since VanAAken is not a paid advertiser and the product is not available to the general public do you want me to STFU about it now? or would you rather me keep this little beauty a total secret until my testing on it is done?


Your call mac since you seem to have all of the answeres. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Congrats!


What failed on the turbo? Bearing? Or melted turbine?


With enough $$$ you can "fix" any weak link.





Turbo did not fail outright McR, but the shaft stretched out and the compressor was almost touching the housing..... but it got me 4 more hours to get to PDR's and get it fixed..... Pics to follow

Congrats!


What failed on the turbo? Bearing? Or melted turbine?


With enough $$$ you can "fix" any weak link.





Turbo did not fail outright McR, but the shaft stretched out and the compressor was almost touching the housing..... but it got me 4 more hours to get to PDR's and get it fixed..... Pics to follow








Normally the shaft cannot "stretch" on the turbos I've used (not GM). It's nickle alloy. The thrust side of the bearing can wear, or the turbine/compressor can wear, or the bearing bore can wear. .062" wear is INTENSE.


(Dumb Question) Have you been allowing the turbo to cool after high temp usage? Let it idle for several minutes? Have you noticed low oil pressure at high boost (indicator of excessive oil temp)?


Maybe all that is needed is some cool oil under load.


Just a thought.

Still wondering where the TQ numbers are............


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Still wondering where the TQ numbers are............


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Keep wondering... last dyno i posted had both and was not good enuf for the (M)asses here so now when i don't have a torque plot people are whining for it?


Consistency plese

Congrats!


What failed on the turbo? Bearing? Or melted turbine?


With enough $$$ you can "fix" any weak link.





Turbo did not fail outright McR, but the shaft stretched out and the compressor was almost touching the housing..... but it got me 4 more hours to get to PDR's and get it fixed..... Pics to follow








Normally the shaft cannot "stretch" on the turbos I've used (not GM). It's nickle alloy. The thrust side of the bearing can wear, or the turbine/compressor can wear, or the bearing bore can wear. .062" wear is INTENSE.


(Dumb Question) Have you been allowing the turbo to cool after high temp usage? Let it idle for several minutes? Have you noticed low oil pressure at high boost (indicator of excessive oil temp)?


Maybe all that is needed is some cool oil under load.


Just a thought.





Could be the thrust washer,...hard to say... turbo will undergo fail analysis soon. then i can say definatively what whent wrong... turbo is shutdown at 300F preturbo and 225F post turbo religiously

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Great to see those #'s GJ!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Keep it up and thanks for the very entertaining post.


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Blake

Great to see those #'s GJ!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Keep it up and thanks for the very entertaining post.


The stench of envy around here makes me http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif


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Blake








Oh, its not envy............


If I wanted an unreliable truck I could bomb the sh*t out of mine for the sake of 30HP...........


Uhmmmmmmmm,


Nah.


I'll stay where I am at and keep my truck from breaking lot's of hard parts.............what is it worth if you cannot keep it together.


As far as consistency GJ...............I have been, all along..............a SKEPTIC..............


Good luck with your quest for power.............and new parts every time you run the truck.





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Not nearly as large a whore as you 'big guy'


and No free lunches here either....My own VanAAken box is a prototype and is not for public consumption so... since VanAAken is not a paid advertiser and the product is not available to the general public do you want me to STFU about it now? or would you rather me keep this little beauty a total secret until my testing on it is done?


Your call mac since you seem to have all of the answeres. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif











I know you feel like I'm dissing your accomplishments but that is far from the truth. The problem is they way the information comes out in chunks and pieces and when question are asked the perception is there because a straight answer is never given.


A simple I did 550 RWHP testing the stock turbo limitations would have worked for me.Now I need a Turbo to make it streetable hopefully in the very near future.I'm not telling you what to do ,if you enjoy the firing squad approach,enjoy!


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SINGLE BOX NO DRUGS STOCK STICKS AND STOCK TURBO NO FASS NO LIFT PUMP


VERIFIED BY MADDOG WHO CAN CONFIRM AND VERIFIED LOCK IN 4TH GEAR.


SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAID I COULD NOT BACK IT UP I CERTAINY DID


I WILL ACCEPT THE 700+ APOLOGIES NOW THANK YOU.


TIME TO GO WATCH MORE DYNO......MADDOG IS UP NEXT.


DTT TRANS WORKING WELL, BUT CANNOT LAUNCH ABOVE 1500 RPMS OR ALL 5 GEARS GO UP IN SMOKE.


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Looks to me like you came in with a score to settle.Not sharing of technical information that you are some what now,or should I say getting to the bottom of your actual dyno run purpose.Like I said good luck carry on.I'm not looking for a trailer queen but a daily driver and have no interest in breaking on purpose.


As far as Van AAken goes speak your mind. They have re

R &amp; D costs money and sh$t gets broken. Thats a fact........


Its just a byproduct(spelling?) of pushing the limit.


I don't recall anyone saying it was reliable.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


That'll come with time.


Blakehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

[QUOTE=Got Juice?]


Not nearly as large a whore as you 'big guy'


and No free lunches here either....My own VanAAken box is a prototype and is not for public consumption so... since VanAAken is not a paid advertiser and the product is not available to the general public do you want me to STFU about it now? or would you rather me keep this little beauty a total secret until my testing on it is done?


Your call mac since you seem to have all of the answeres. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif











I know you feel like I'm dissing your accomplishments but that is far from the truth. The problem is they way the information comes out in chunks and pieces and when question are asked the perception is there because a straight answer is never given.


A simple I did 550 RWHP testing the stock turbo limitations would have worked for me.Now I need a Turbo to make it streetable hopefully in the very near future.I'm not telling you what to do ,if you enjoy the firing squad approach,enjoy!


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SINGLE BOX NO DRUGS STOCK STICKS AND STOCK TURBO NO FASS NO LIFT PUMP


VERIFIED BY MADDOG WHO CAN CONFIRM AND VERIFIED LOCK IN 4TH GEAR.


SO FOR ALL YOU WHO SAID I COULD NOT BACK IT UP I CERTAINY DID


I WILL ACCEPT THE 700+ APOLOGIES NOW THANK YOU.


TIME TO GO WATCH MORE DYNO......MADDOG IS UP NEXT.


DTT TRANS WORKING WELL, BUT CANNOT LAUNCH ABOVE 1500 RPMS OR ALL 5 GEARS GO UP IN SMOKE.


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Looks to me like you came in with a score to settle.Not sharing of technical information that you are some what now,or should I say getting to the bottom of your actual dyno run purpose.Like I said good luck carry on.I'm not looking for a trailer queen but a da

Forgive and forget.......maybe? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gifWheres the love? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Heart.gif


Blake......

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gifWheres the love? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Heart.gif


Blake......





http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifROTFLMAOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

My assumptions were from post like this from GJ


"Piers is now telling me to keep the boost under 50 PSIG and try hard not to bark the ever living snot out of this one.... but on the upside the ported housing and stuff is still there ... "


"Stock turbo injects"


"37 PSIG and i quit looking after that"


"Temps? who looks at those when dynoing"


"1QT stanadyne in 10 Gals of fuel "


"the big VanAAken puts serious numbers up on top rpm ranges"


Like I said before I believe these numbers can be made. All I am asking is to see the whole dyno chart as the last picture had the bottom cut off. The stanadyne is a cetane booster so that will help a lot. GJ knows me and knows I'm asking questions not attacking his numbers. So as I now understand it the truck was making 37 psi or more, unknown EGT @ 550.5 RwHp Great numbers!

My assumptions were from post like this from GJ


"Piers is now telling me to keep the boost under 50 PSIG and try hard not to bark the ever living snot out of this one.... but on the upside the ported housing and stuff is still there ... "


"Stock turbo injects"


"37 PSIG and i quit looking after that"


"Temps? who looks at those when dynoing"


"1QT stanadyne in 10 Gals of fuel "


"the big VanAAken puts serious numbers up on top rpm ranges"


Like I said before I believe these numbers can be made. All I am asking is to see the whole dyno chart as the last picture had the bottom cut off. The stanadyne is a cetane booster so that will help a lot. GJ knows me and knows I'm asking questions not attacking his numbers. So as I now understand it the truck was making 37 psi or more, unknown EGT @ 550.5 RwHp Great numbers!








38PSIG was observed on the dyno in 4th gear. EGT's were 1750+, trying to strike a balance between drive pressure and surge and airflow. Bottom line from Piers is this: We need more boost volume and pressure. Currently the IHI is sized similarly to an HX40 compressor so we will be needing something larger that we can spool if we stay with a single. Turbocompounding would be the ultimate.


Barking the turbo was mostly operator error (mine) and WG setting related.... the fact the tranny shifts so quickly only exacerbates the problem that i created. Having said that, on to turbo #4! BBTurbo in a 55 size would be a great help to us at this point! We have more fuel than we can burn already, bigger injectors or not. Stacked we run out of rail vol/press but same scenario ..not enough air and smoke like a 12 valve Cummins. Had a great tech chat with Mark about possible hurdles in a 33,000 psi rail and an overdriven CP3, but we ended up running into hurdles like the rail press sensor dumping or PCM dumping pressure and things of that nature.


Thanks Diesel Tech, the pursuit goes on

How about the complete picture of the Dyno run? The rail pressure is the next hurdle in the quest for power on #2. Larger nozzle tips only allow the problem to happen sooner in the RPM range, but once the rail starts dropping the game is over. More Air will help a lot but no one knows what the Head Gaskets will take when properly tuned and 50 psig are there.

The program that he was running will run very well with or WITHOUT a lift pumphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

JK, do you have one of these beats?

JK, do you have one of these beats?


He might..... Mark tuned this one while i waited!


Definately a tranny destroyer... not for stock trannies!


position one is stock


position three is 170


Middle position can best be described as "stoopid"


Their own DMX slipped 4th gear at appx 479RWHP with this program.


Not for the faint of heart!

JK, do you have one of these beats?





Been running/selling since April/May.





It's the one I more or less suggested you pass on rather than wreck your transmission...Edited by: Kennedy

I'm talking about the 300+, I have never heard you talk about it if you been selling them.

No such thing...

Been running/selling since April/May.


The program that he was running will run very well with or WITHOUT a lift pumphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif





Somehow before the run we managed to hit the switch for the lift pump and turned it off. There was enough fuel to keep the truck running and it kept up with demand as the SF began to load but as soon as the pedal hit the wood the fuel demand caused it to cave in.





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So the way I understand from JK posts is Got Juice is running the same box as Brandon did on these runs. It made 472ish on Brandon's truck and 550.5 on Got Juice. Different trucks different dyno's your results may vary.

Wait, Wait, Wait.... Are yal syaing that GJ did 550 on the VA200 module? I thought GJ had a special tune on that VA box and it was not the 200 but a stronger custom one.

Brandon's run posted above is using the low setting of the box along with his injectors. Still a bit too much fuel for the available air...Edited by: Kennedy

Truck was also sucking though the pump that was turned off. Thats probably why it got pissed off and shut down on that run. I ran Brandon's box at byron with no lift pump installed and there wasnt any bursting or it wasnt acting like it was starving for fuel. I was also running on a just changed fuel filter and no secondary filtration and a full tank. I didnt get a chance to run while looking at the demand and actual rail pressure(something I wanted to do) so my observation isnt scientific. Only made 4 runs with the box and decided to swap back to my HJ/A. Did go play a bunch on the street too.


EDit #2: never mind.....john's got a better idea and memory on what Brandon ran. Point is though GJ and Brandon have quite a few differences even if they ran the exact same programEdited by: ratlover

I'm talking about the 300+, I have never heard you talk about it if you been selling them.

I claim responsibility for that rumor http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

OK, so here is the run from Garmon's Diesel Dyno Day on Brandon's truck . 476.9 on the high setting JKVA200++ . Looks pretty much the same as 472ish on the low setting to me.





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Here is a run with just the HJAT 145 with injectors and another run with just the VA 200+ and injectors. The Juice fell off on the top end whereas the VA just kept pulling.





Like I said before different day different dyno your results may vary.








Point is though GJ and Brandon have quite a few differences even if they ran the exact same program


This is my point the same box on different truck does not yield the same results. Brandon has injectors, fuel pump and Juice does not. Other than that they are pretty much the same setup on #2 only.

I'm talking about the 300+, I have never heard you talk about it if you been selling them.




I claim responsibility for that rumor http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Blame me instead.... just 'stack' it up with the rest of the crap.


Everyone' else's dyno runs must be 100 HP high then too.


Someone better call Richard Madsen (MADDOG) then and let him know that his run is invalid as wellhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif even if he did turn similar numbers on other dynos as he did at PDR... one thing for sure.... i ain't making that phone call because i believe my numbers, as well as MADDOG's. As with the last controversy, there were other 'known quantity' trucks running at the event and that still was not enough for a few members here.


So if you want to kid yourself into thinking it isn't possible fine with me, but i am gonna keep pushing forward with the few ideas i have and see where they lead. Yes, stuff is gonna break, but hopefully with help from PDR and DTT i can make a meaningful contribution to DMX performance, rather than sitting on the fence and waiting for someone else to sieze the initiative and go for it!


Funny thing is nobody but John Kennedy picked up on the turbo tachometer post i made, does anyone here (without help from John Kennedy please) (or you either burner) Know why it will become as important as an EGT gauge? Believe me if i could still source one we could all have a very useful tuning tool

It's the 500+ with a .90 jet..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I'm more in favor of the 520 on #2 and the turbo live vs the 550 and eminent IHI death.

I do understand that testing breaks hard parts.

I do appreciate the shared results from those who test and discover new areas of improvement

I appreciate people like Steve Cole John Kennedy Trippin and Joe Webb who share there knowledge openly with me and others

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I'm growing tired of every post turning into My dicks bigger than yours or This diesel god says mine is the best you can have just because he sold it to you.

The constant bickering is getting old to along with the misrepresentation of certain products just to justify how well you spent your money

We should not have to find fault in others just to make our own results look better.

There are some out there that claim great results from products when in reality they are using something all together different.....Some know the real story and are disappointed.

If your posting a topic with a play on words like stock with 750 rwhp to draw attention then fine.......But tell the whole story........you will save lots of contraversy.........unless thats what your here forhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Edited by: sdaver

Well said Sdaver............


My VA 200+++ run on a truly stock truck.


NO LIFT PUMP, NO INJECTORS, NO HIDDEN TURBO MODS.....


Just a VA 200++ Box, AFE intake, 4" Exhaust and no floor mat http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Peak Boost was 30.6 psi measured by the Superflow Dyno


Peak EGT was 1843 degrees Fahrenheit measured by the Superflow Dyno


Three pulls for each tune tested...


SAE corrected HP was 484.4 at 3000 rpms.......


SAE corrected TQ was 962.1 at 2350 rpm.......





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So there you have it............


No secrets, no blown up turbos or any funny business, witnessed by everyone at Kennedy's Get-Together..........


Wisconsin Air............CT truck........





TONYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Tis true, in most cases we made 3 runs, to make sure that they were consistent, then averaged them. Those in attendance saw first hand how consistent the runs were.





PS my SAE correction standards were calibrated with my Princo instruments mercurial barometer and Sling psychrometer (expertly twirled by Trippin) to ensure they were accurate...

What a bunch of F*****G whiners and disbelivers.


The guy ran 550


How many people do you need to verify this.


There is 7 pages consisting mostly of a bunch of sniveling.


If you want to be jealous? Fine.


If you don't want to belive? Fine


Seven pages of bitching is worse than my ex-wife was ever capable of.


I think I made it to half of page 3 before I had enough.


None of you have ever seen God and you belive him,


Why don't you belive Juice or anybody else that was there?


There,,,,I said my piece, so you can now carry on for another 7 pages of crying and doubting.


Juice,,,,,,,congrats on another good run.

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What a bunch of F*****G whiners and disbelivers.


The guy ran 550


How many people do you need to verify this.


There is 7 pages consisting mostly of a bunch of sniveling.


If you want to be jealous? Fine.


If you don't want to belive? Fine


Seven pages of bitching is worse than my ex-wife was ever capable of.


I think I made it to half of page 3 before I had enough.


None of you have ever seen God and you belive him,


Why don't you belive Juice or anybody else that was there?


There,,,,I said my piece, so you can now carry on for another 7 pages of crying and doubting.


Juice,,,,,,,congrats on another good run.








Maybe GOD was DRIVING THE TRUCK..............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif





NOTE DISCLAIMER:


no offense to our members who have a strong religious faith either.Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

...Seven pages of bitching is worse than my ex-wife was ever capable of.


...


If my ex-wife could only come up with 7 pages of bitching, I wouldn't have had to ditch her.


So far, every time I've seen a thread on the internet about someone making crazy HP there has always been doubters.


One of three things happens:


1) They back the numbers up at the track.


2) Someone else with no axe to grind replicates the numbers.


3) The results are never proven by the track or backup, and are later forgotten about.


I for one would much enjoy seeing some killer ET's or pulling victories from Got Juice's setup. Sounds pretty damn mean.

What a bunch of F*****G whiners and disbelivers.





Juice,,,,,,,congrats on another good run.








You got it bud!


Rock out with your (0( |&lt; out! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Anyone got the time?








Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif

Time for a little AA... Attitude Adjustment that is...


I BELIEVE YOU JUICE!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Yeah, time for dinner!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


And the beat goes on.......


Blake

Juice made what he made. It's a good running truck with the combination of parts he has. If you guys saw the pile of parts I have broken trying to get things to where we are today maybe you would be upset, but I have learned and moved forward. All I've asked for is the numbers around how he did what he did to quantify the results and I do believe with the answers given he made 550. Since I've been close to those numbers with less boost and no additive to fuel it's very believable to me. What I choose to sell is something that is a bit safer but that's my choice. If you want to crank it up you can but expect the parts failures that GJ is willing to accept, it's part of the game. When asked he has answered the questions and not hidden how he did it. Now maybe one of the east coast guys with the VA box can turn there truck up to 38 psi and add standyne to the fuel and duplicate the results. JK has the dyno, truck and VA box so lets get it done. Then see what results are and compare notes.





GMC-2002-Dmax I see you stated SAE numbers but the graph shows Whl pwr. Every SuperFlow I've worked with Whl pwr is the same as STD not SAE corrections maybe yours was different? How about a copy of the data as Superflow's viewer is free on there web site.


GJ how about the new picture of the dyno graph so we can see the RPM scale as well.

Diesel Tech, sent JKennedy a fax of the graphs.... no rpm scale, just speed... in KM/H


still too lazy to hook up the scanner... maybe i will post a better digital pic this week.


And thanks.


Thanks to Rob and Piers at PDR for changing their first ever DMX turbo so i could get back on the road again... they worked until dark to GitRDone and that people is the mark of a quality company.

I guess I was on to something back when I was hitting 38psi. Glad I backed off when I did. But I have been running 34+psi ever since (almost every day), and the power is WAY better than when I was down at 30. The turbine speed is off the chart (literaly), but I still think it will last until the aftermarket can get a new turbo to market. Backing off real easy, and no locked shifts in the 50-90% throttle are working good for me.


Great numbers Got Juice, and all the others that are brave enough to lead the pack. Wish I had the balls to push it right to the edge. But my time or income just wouldn't allow it.

Now maybe one of the east coast guys with the VA box can turn there truck up to 38 psi and add standyne to the fuel and duplicate the results.


I have the Vise Grips handy!





Mac

Great numbers Got Juice, and all the others that are brave enough to lead the pack. Wish I had the balls to push it right to the edge. But my time or income just wouldn't allow it.





There are others pushing harder than me...... i think i am down to KDinner and rice and beans for a while.


Oh well, water the soup and scramble the eggs..... there is always next year.


Turbocompounding ....... 2 Mits/ Garrett TD045H 1.06-1.09A/R into a B-1 or H2E.... now then we would see some 600+ numbers at EGT's we could live with. The maps work, but oil scavenging back to the pan becomes an issue as well as exhaust routing at the firewall and fuel filter location... might have to move batteries to trunk etc.... but yes i am trying to look for other options as well. Possibly a T-88 for the big turbo

Now maybe one of the east coast guys with the VA box can turn there truck up to 38 psi and add standyne to the fuel and duplicate the results.


I have the Vise Grips handy!





Mac





LMAO...the NWBOMBers have dubbed them 'Juice Grips' ..... only because they know the story behind that one..... my bad....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

You know it IS possible to bring the boost up WITHOUT running the drive pressure off the map. Thing is, even with a larger compressor, I see boost drop back to 32-ish at upper RPM's. When I used a pinch plier, I saw the drive psi run off the dial on my 50 psi dual gauge and boost barely rose...





Ton'ys plot is wheel power which is pre-correction. This eliminates what I feel are somewhat overly aggressive correction factors. My view on this may change some day. I also had the top of his test window set a bit high, so the engine was on the redline when finishing the test. I remember seeing at least one run with a wild spike in the EGT.





GJ was at a very low elevation, and had cool air near as I can tell. Perfect conditions for an excellent dyno run. I haven't been back on the dyno myself to test my boost valve, but we did see nice gains on Tony's and Brandon's trucks...

Now maybe one of the east coast guys with the VA box can turn there truck up to 38 psi and add standyne to the fuel and duplicate the results.


I have the Vise Grips handy!


Mac





Don't give away those CT secrets!!

GJ was at a very low elevation, and had cool air near as I can tell. Perfect conditions for an excellent dyno run. I haven't been back on the dyno myself to test my boost valve, but we did see nice gains on Tony's and Brandon's trucks...


As per my GPS we were 17'ASL (above sea level) temperature was 70F and humidity IIRC was appx 50%.


It was an almost ideal day to dyno.


38PSIG ASL with 167,000 RPMS...surge velocity


30PSIG at ASL+14,000' koot mtn pass = 172,000 RPMs...surge velocity.


Turbo tachometer is needed. The velocity of the compressor wheel at different elevations relates the differences in absolute air density. If you wastegate your turbo at sea level, say 20,000 rpms below the surge line you are safe..... however if you then drive to the mountains you can exceed that safety margin a great deal and observe a drop in absolute boost pressure, and make less power. That is almost certainly why our stock wastegates are set with a 7 lb safety margin.


Anyone know of a source of a turbo tach that can be vehicle mounted? Omorimeter Japan used to make one, but sadly they have discontinued the item. IIRC the gauge was 0-18 X 10,000 rpms and appx 500.00 USD

http://www.designnews.com/article/CA177530.html

http://www.micro-epsilon.de/downloads/Revolutioncounter_e.pdf

Juice for President!!!!





Time is now 11:32 in Kentucky!





The weather is a balmy 80 degrees, with a light breeze from the West.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Juice for President!!!!





Time is now 11:32 in Kentucky!





The weather is a balmy 80 degrees, with a light breeze from the West.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





LMAO.... hey... just out of curiosity, what do you call Kentucky Fried Chicken in Kentucky?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


Well it's getting cooler here that is for sure..... almost had frost on my truck this morning.... Brrrrrrr time to break out the mukluks touques whale blubber and dog teamhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Was that Kdinner comment from earlier?


I've never heard it called that out west.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


The time now is 8:50 a.m.


Blake

Juice you may want to look at a stock LLY turbo. You will find what your looking for there. The stock WG is set to avoid surge in all conditions, but you need turbo speed and PR to see where the surge point is. The surge point moves based on PR.

Kraft Dinner..... boiled, fried.... works well....


My new budget diet.... oh, as well as chili, beans and rice. Good thing i have my own beef supply and put in a garden this year!


BTW.... did you make it to SIR or PDR? I can't remember if i met you... too many new faces and names!


If anyone wants to host a video i have one of my dyno runs where they were remarking on the 550HP run. (you hear the 550 number and see only part of the run though)

I can put it on my site. How big is the file?

Juice you may want to look at a stock LLY turbo. You will find what your looking for there. The stock WG is set to avoid surge in all conditions, but you need turbo speed and PR to see where the surge point is. The surge point moves based on PR.


That point is well taken. Now you got me thinking....what is the PR of the LLY VNT turbo VS the PR of the IHI based on ASL pressures at say 34 lbs of boost? a link to a lookup table might help me here. I could use that.


Thanks!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Ah but you missed one little item stuck in the center of the bearing housing on the LLY, you need to go look at one..........................

We still call it KFC! Even in Japan its KFC!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Ah but you missed one little item stuck in the center of the bearing housing on the LLY, you need to go look at one..........................


The encoder motor shouldn't be too big a hurdle.... that can be set via an APP tap if need be and an analog signal amplifier.


Angle of incidence tables per degree in relation to boost values would be needed for a reference though to make it work.

Well Juice I just got lost!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Maybe Sweet Liberty can straighten me out. But I doubt it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Well Juice I just got lost!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


me too... just thinking out loud.... and that might not work as it will also depend not just on TPS/APP but on available fuelling.... crap.... Diesel Tech is gonna give me a migraine if he keeps throwing ideas like this at me.

Ah......... but you learn that way. Look at the little white cable leaveing the center section goint to a small amplifier box by the valvecover........................................ .....................http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Maybe Sweet Liberty can straighten me out. But I doubt it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


Well, with most things, I think I do a pretty good job of straightening you out, but when it comes to diesel trucks, you're the man. HEHEHEHE!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

I can put it on my site. How big is the file?


3 minutes...9 megs?

Well with the diesel tech stuff, what if a cam sensor says no? What if the sky fell? What if a Chevy was spelled yveC!





Did you know if you spell racecar backwards it still spells racecar?





Man this has been a long day in Kentucky our Gov. IS trying to screw us out of health insurance. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

DT........spill the beans. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif A little edurmecation couldn't hurt.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Next thing you know.....you'll be tell'n us how to slap twins on a little Italian job.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I can put it on my site. How big is the file?


3 minutes...9 megs?



That's no problem for me. I can host it too if you want. Just email it to me.

DT........spill the beans. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif A little edurmecation couldn't hurt.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Next thing you know.....you'll be tell'n us how to slap twins on a little Italian job.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





What fun would that be....... GJ just needs to go take a look and I'm sure it will get his head spining. Now I would never tell you to slap twins on an Italian job but one from Japan ....................... http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Ah......... but you learn that way. Look at the little white cable leaveing the center section goint to a small amplifier box by the valvecover........................................ .....................http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


i was just visiting a dealer... is that a hall effect sensor for the shaft RPM?

What fun would that be....... GJ just needs to go take a look and I'm sure it will get his head spining. Now I would never tell you to slap Juice, even if I really wanted to!


(my edit lol )





My head is swimming and spinning.....

Didn't meet you wasn't there but if I do I'll buy the beer!Hope you like Kokanee!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Blake

I can put it on my site. How big is the file?


3 minutes...9 megs?








Let me know who is going to host it. That size is no problem.

Give the man a prize http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif...... one turbine speed unit coming up. Now what can I do with baro, boost and turbine speed ????

Does the PCM use the turbine speed for anything?

Calcuate turbine rpm.


Turbine F(s) Hz (edit resonant frequency)


Drive Pressure vs Output pressure pre or post CAC


Absolute output pressure VS Absolute Atmospheric pressure

Does the PCM use the turbine speed for anything? PCM uses turbine speed vs baro press and tps to adjust the sliding vanes in the turbo .

Calcuate turbine rpm.


Turbine F(s) Hz (edit resonant frequency)


Drive Pressure vs Output pressure pre or post CAC


Absolute output pressure VS Absolute Atmospheric pressure








Now what about the compressor/turbine surge????????

Calcuate turbine rpm.


Turbine F(s) Hz (edit resonant frequency)


Drive Pressure vs Output pressure pre or post CAC


Absolute output pressure VS Absolute Atmospheric pressure








Now what about the compressor/turbine surge???????


That has to do with F(s) as well no?


in a surge/stall situation the VNT blades in theory could be commanded to a 'neutral aerodynamic' element (or state) to allow for an aerodynamic separation on the exhaust side of the turbo that would route the laminar flow of the exhaust stream around the exhaust impeller... effectively if that assumtion is correct (as the VNT funct as WG as well) in a surge situation a 97% bypass could be achieved to allow the compressor pressure vs drive press to equalize and freewheel down from that unstable rpm to a more stable rpm/airflow requirement and avoid the possibility of exploding. Edited by: Got Juice?

Since we know when surge will happen, and since we have all the senors in place how about we just do not allow it to happen ............. the only problem is turbine speed is so quick it's hard to slow down so we error on the safe side. If turbine speed gets close to surge speed under the conditions at the time, open vanes wide open to slow turbine speed then close them as it falls off. So what you will see is a boost spike if you would like to call it that as we get too close where the control takes over and then servos in.

Good points.... so they do have a lookup table in place in the PCM for diff barometric conditions to allow for that possibility..... interesting.


Steve, can those lookup tables be reflashed into our 02 PCM's?...mind you our processing speed is half of what the LLY is so that might be a total no go http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


Plus the fact that we would need an I/O free to plug into as well as the addressing tables for the sensor.Edited by: Got Juice?

Look out Juice......don't go above his head. LOL http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


From where I'm standing you'er right about 15,000 feet..... go much higher and I'll just loose ya altogether. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif


It's not the turbo that makes it go....it's the tires. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Well now the thought process is in gear. How do we pay for the development of all this, better go make something to pay the bills while we work on it and know once you make it 20 guys will have R&amp;D the same thing about two months after you introduce it to the public.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Bottom line is it can be done but is it worth the time and effort needed to bring it to completion. I'm on the it's not worth it side, sorry. To much other work that pays the bills.

Well now the thought process is in gear. How do we pay for the development of all this, better go make something to pay the bills while we work on it and know once you make it 20 guys will have R&amp;D the same thing about two months after you introduce it to the public.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Bottom line is it can be done but is it worth the time and effort needed to bring it to completion. I'm on the it's not worth it side, sorry. To much other work that pays the bills.





No problem there... i understand.... give me turbocompounding instead... then i will be nothing but smiles!


more trouble than its worth IMHO... however, holset has a true VGT turbo with a separate programmable controller and new powerspec software.... anyone wanna give me the 4500.00 to give it a try?

With the above mentioned already in place on an LLY, does this mean people are working on re-mapping VNT's tables for later model programmers? That would be a plus for my unit (and many others, of course) before dyno tuning starts and bad things happen even before the first road test...T

Well now the thought process is in gear. How do we pay for the development of all this, better go make something to pay the bills while we work on it and know once you make it 20 guys will have R&D the same thing about two months after you introduce it to the public.&lt;IMG id=chkImg1 onmouseover="this.style.cursor='hand'" onmouseout="this.style.cursor=''" alt="Click on image to open in new window" src="smileys/Confused.gif" name=chkImg2&gt;


Bottom line is it can be done but is it worth the time and effort needed to bring it to completion. I'm on the it's not worth it side, sorry. To much other work that pays the bills.





No problem there... i understand.... give me turbocompounding instead... then i will be nothing but smiles!


more trouble than its worth IMHO... however, holset has a true VGT turbo with a separate programmable controller and new powerspec software.... anyone wanna give me the 4500.00 to give it a try?

I got a hundred just get 44 more and its on the way

Well now the thought process is in gear. How do we pay for the development of all this, better go make something to pay the bills while we work on it and know once you make it 20 guys will have R&amp;D the same thing about two months after you introduce it to the public.&lt;IMG id=chkImg1 onmouseover="this.style.cursor='hand'" onmouseout="this.style.cursor=''" alt="Click on image to open in new window" src="smileys/Confused.gif" name=chkImg2&gt;



Bottom line is it can be done but is it worth the time and effort needed to bring it to completion. I'm on the it's not worth it side, sorry. To much other work that pays the bills.






Thanks Sdaver...... still looking at other avenues... although the holset solution looks promising, for 45 large i think we can come up with a better solution and make more boost with less drive pressure. NWCustoms was looking under my hood and he makes the piping for some twin setups....



No problem there... i understand.... give me turbocompounding instead... then i will be nothing but smiles!



more trouble than its worth IMHO... however, holset has a true VGT turbo with a separate programmable controller and new powerspec software.... anyone wanna give me the 4500.00 to give it a try?

I got a hundred just get 44 more and its on the way

too much $$$$


turbocompounding will cost the same...


and higher boost press and volume as a side bennie

Better go find some head studs, valve springs and O-rings while your saving up. All that pressure is just looken for a way out. It works better if it finds it way out the exhaust valve at the right time. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

........... I wonder how much the heads will hold? I bet they'll hold 60 maybe even 80 for a while. Heck, 100 might be in there for just a few passes.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

50 should be doable

http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/gotjuice1.avi
http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/gotjuice2.avi
http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/gotjuice3.avi
http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/gotjuice4.avi
http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/gotjuice5.avi





Vids... most are poor but you get the idea... notice how piers is somewhat worried about the big dogs and hooks his truck up...lol esp after Mark did his tuning to the box.... i was happy to make 450 but....

www.rathwellhardware.com/download/all5.zip (http://www.rathwellhardware.com/download/all5.zip)








links fixed... all videos here... just unzip and gitrdooone!

Got Juice? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

good job juice, keep up the hard work,and i will be comming that direction this fall, pm me your phone number again please, http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif

PM sent


Looking forward to it Fred!

Got Juice? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


Thanks Mike, over the winter i will try to convert from a 'Dyno Queen' into something more tangible.


I want to do tie rods, traction bard etc so i can put up killer numbers like yours!

I'm having trouble with those links.


Do you have them on Beta?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

The links work. Try right click and 'save as'

Excellent reference on our pumps.


here


http://www.dipaco.com/rtf/rtfcatalogv1.5.pdf

Man is this thread ever going to end? I think we have beat this into the ground...

Man is this thread ever going to end? I think we have beat this into the ground...


Actually i wanted to get some input on the CP3 Pump from steve cole and others.... anyone thought of overdriving this little jewel?

Sorry..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif


I did not read up, just realized this thing was still going...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

Man is this thread ever going to end? I think we have beat this into the ground...


Actually i wanted to get some input on the CP3 Pump from steve cole and others.... anyone thought of overdriving this little jewel?





I thought about it but looked at what would have to be done to get it there and went another direction. If you can get an extra pump take it apart and I'm sure you will find an easier way to get some more out of it................... I did http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Should have it up on the engine dyno after the first of the year maybe sooner.

Man is this thread ever going to end? I think we have beat this into the ground...


Actually i wanted to get some input on the CP3 Pump from steve cole and others.... anyone thought of overdriving this little jewel?





I thought about it but looked at what would have to be done to get it there and went another direction. If you can get an extra pump take it apart and I'm sure you will find an easier way to get some more out of it................... I did http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Should have it up on the engine dyno after the first of the year maybe sooner.


LOL.... here i am thinking about it and you already beat me to it.....in the relief area past the 'stator' in the pump?

ttt

LOL.... more pages? OMG!

HAHAHA!

Give him some time to get back from everyone and his brother trying to buy him a drink, I'm sure Seve will pop up ;) He's a busy guy....................