Sure wish I could install a Cummings in my 2500HD. Love the 2500HDbut not sure about the Duramax. Tired of waiting weeks for parts.


First it was Allison seals now injector. Cavalier loaner does pull my 5th wheel very good.

I think if you have the money anything is possible... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

Cummings? I've never heard of a Cummings. Is that a new company? I've heard of Cummins, they make a pretty good diesel motor. But Cummings, I'll have to do some research maybe they make a good diesel motor too. lmao http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

And I was thinkin they should put a dmax in a dodge.

They are the same injectors now and I think Allison is still a better tranny. You won't gain much with the swap for your 2 complaints.

I agree to that. The Cummins is a good design as inline six but injectors, turbo, egr. ...etc. will be all similar with similar problems. Some people have bad luck with a particular truck, that doesn't mean all trucks of that manufacturer are bad!
Just look at some pictures from an Allison transmission and a comparable Ford or Dodge tranny, the parts / components of the Allison are MUCH more stout up to 3 times bigger in dimension, basically unbreakable. Just some clutch slipping etc. but that should be it. That can be fixed via the aftermarket from ATS or SUNCOAST... Even if the motor (Cummins) could be better in some ways there is no way the whole truck is, the tranny is far better in the Chevy and the interiour, space etc. workmanship...but that has been discussed already too many times....

I think that a it would be great to see a Cummins ISX motor in the 2500... I am not sure if it could handle the power from that motor... but it would be a killer ride.... A nice 500 or 600hp 6 cyclinder motor in that little bad boy... it would just be how long before the truck shook apart with some where around 1850lbs of torque....


Pete

Cummings...? What a dorkhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif You want to install one in your truck, yet you cannot spell it? Riiight. Edited by: Max Payne

The Edited by: twest

The injection system on the isb is totally different than the LB7/LLY, the CR on the Cummins is operated on a Different plateform is not subject to most of the problem other injection systems have.

What is different about it?

Why .Edited by: twest

Why are you over here and posting over 5000 times in little more than a year. The tdr1 has many post on the this Matter.

Most of my 5000 posts are Dmax related. Look at my signature... I owned one for three years. Was a moderator for a good time. I have freinds on this site and I enjoy posting here.

Now ... what are the differnces in injection systems? I'm curious.

Here is one stand out...

The fuel and return lines are not under the valve cover like the 01-03 dmax...

http://home.comcast.net/~rs6000/dodge/600cutaway/images/DSCN4773.jpg

That Edited by: twest

That is a cut out view of a 2 GEN"s motor not a 3 GEN"s with CR.

Wanna bet?

http://home.comcast.net/~rs6000/dodge/600cutaway/images/DSCN4811.jpg

All Edited by: twest

twest, it is not nice to pick on a senior beloved member like Hoot. I know he had a brain fart the day he bought his Cummings but he is a GM guy at heart. Besides, he knows of what he speaks. Later! Frank http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Edited by: Frank Blum

All 3 GEN"s have ECM control injectors Not cam driven.

Oh ... I think you think that rocker arm is on the injector. Not so. It's just hanging there because of the way they have the engine cut away. Besides.. I don't think any generation Dodge Cummins has cam driven injectors.

Here's a different angle.. The beauty being, there are no fuel lines, supply or return, hooked up to the injectors.

http://home.comcast.net/~rs6000/dodge/600cutaway/images/DSCN4776.jpg

Here are all of the pics I took at the Philly auto show of the CR Cummins...

Cutaway Pics (http://home.comcast.net/~rs6000/dodge/600cutaway/index.htm)Edited by: hoot

I Edited by: twest

Thats Edited by: twest

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/EFZ_fuelsystem.jpg

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/322_injector.jpg

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/9C7_rail_system.jpg

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{vacuum can damage CP3 pump}


?????????

Than how does the Dmax get away with a vacuum supply setup?

You probably mean NO FUEL present can damage the CP3 pump.

Also you are saying it's not dependant on the lift pump. Without the lift pump it has to suck fuel like the Dmax does. Except, the lines on the Cummins are smaller and I don't beleive the lift pump allow much if any fuel to pass when it's out of commission.

Are you making this stuff up as you go along?Edited by: hoot

No Edited by: twest

No the lift pump only primes the CP3 ,NO MATTER HOW MUCH FACTS ARE PROVIDED YOU JUST WANT TO BAIT OTHER INTO WASTING THEIR TIME.By posting a few pic"s you want others to believe you have you have some knowledge. How about More time doing research and last time posting.You are driving others from their opinions and posting on this site.

I see you've gone back and changed your responses.
I'll leave mine be. You first come on and wacked me with the "5000 posts"

Then you said the pictures I was posting wasn't a 3rd gen engine when in fact it is a Cummins 600... you were dead wrong.

Then you give us this BS about the fuel system... fixed up text out of the manual except the parts you added are wrong.

I'm not sitting here to judge you or anyone else but you've come into this topic with a bunch of BS so i might as well hold you to it. Luckily I quoted the BS so you couldn't make more of a fool out of me than i already am.Edited by: hoot

GEEZE HOOT, I think this guy wants to reopen the WAR ROOM.


I may disagree with Hoots purchase of a Dodge, But I sure don't disagree with the vast knowledge Hoot has.


Hey don't mess with HOOT, I 'd like him to be in a GREAT mood for the Gettogether !

Don't worry Terry. I'm syked about the weekend. I may be the only goat there and expect to be getting a lot more heat there than here.

Twest,


I see you only have 8 posts and yet you have been a member since April. But yet you think you are some sort of diesel authority. Then you come in here and pick on one of the most knowledgeable guys in this forum. I think you should spend a little more time researching before you open your mouth and think that you know something.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Some of the memebers here would believe a bird that flew in the window if it posted here 100,000 times ,If GOD posted ONCE you would critize it. Go over to the tdr1 were memebers don"t dominate memebers to thier own injury.and welcome the opinions of other memebers.


{SIDE NOTE} I notice Hoot had a 01 Duramax and a 04 dodge ,All I did was ask him why he is posting here,I have over 400 post at the TDR1 and I did not recognize him ,I thought he may be a memeber,I did not look close enough at the first cutaway, I realize my error and correct it, I have Delete MY posts, Once again I apologize for any misunderstanding.Go to irv2.com thier is a post from a memeber that had is injectors go bad and dealer told him it is a 4 to 6 week wait. all the new style injectors are on national back order.Bottom line at this POINT the 3GEN"s are NOT seeing as many problems with injectors 6.6 duramax and the 6.0 fords.

Boy, did this topic go to h*ll since I was here last night. Later! Frank

twest,

still waiting for your take on the real differences in the injection systems ... Dmax -vs- Cummins CR

Alright hoot. The Cummins has six injectors, and the duramax has how many hoot.

Ok you got me

I new thier was some humor in you.

Does anyone remember what the original topic was? Did you guys just http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gifand make up? Later! Frank

Frank, we make up as we go along

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Say gslam - you mention an isx in a 2500....Neat concept (of course a c-16 cat or a 550hd detroit would be neat too) However, one large problem....WEIGHT!!! I have my doubts that any of the big three have a heavy enough axle (or frame for that matter) to support that much weight, especially considering the 2000+ ft/lbs of torque...*shudder* way too much for a pick-em up truck! I won't dispute that it would be neat though......

I ran a poll over at the tdr1 and was shock by how many injector casualties the 3GEN"s Had.

I agree to that. The Cummins is a good design as inline six but injectors, turbo, egr. ...etc. will be all similar with similar problems...


I didn't think the cummins had egr. I was under the impression they were doing something internally for emissions? Again, all assumptions. My most current cummins experience is with the ISB...


Ty

My 04 has no CAT or EGR from the factory.

04.5's have a CAT but still no EGR. Edited by: hoot

My 04 has no CAT or EGR from the factory.

04.5's have a CAT but still no EGR.


That's what I thought...


Do you know what they did to meet emissions? I believe it was something internal - possibly related to piston / head configuration. At least that's what I heard... from a salesman http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif.


I want a good look at your truck this weekend...


Ty