I have my ATS tranny and all the goodies for it on the way. Now I am trying to decide what programmers to go with? My first consideration was stacking the edge "hot" with attitude, duramaximizer, and xcelerator. But i hear a lot of people using the VA 200+ and stacking with a quad. i like the edge cause of it attitude monitor and not having to add the gauges. but im gonna be pulling and racing and i want what is gonna work best and have the most performance. i am sure there are already some threads somewhere on this but i hate tryin to search and get half of the answers i want. can the edge and VA be used together or are they both the same type of programmer, or even the TTS extreme? any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks, Ryan

I have my ATS tranny and all the goodies for it on the way. Now I am trying to decide what programmers to go with? My first consideration was stacking the edge "hot" with attitude, duramaximizer, and xcelerator. But i hear a lot of people using the VA 200+ and stacking with a quad. i like the edge cause of it attitude monitor and not having to add the gauges. but im gonna be pulling and racing and i want what is gonna work best and have the most performance. i am sure there are already some threads somewhere on this but i hate tryin to search and get half of the answers i want. can the edge and VA be used together or are they both the same type of programmer, or even the TTS extreme? any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks, Ryan





Ryan,


Go with the TTS Extreme and you will have no reason to stack. Nitrous or propane will be your next purchase. There are lots of good boxes out there that will stack together nicely and you will make the same power as one Xtreme. Do it in with one tune, raise the rev limiter, 3 programs to switch from, speedometer corrected for larger tires, speed limiter gone, etc. Then "Lock it and Rock it" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

one person i talked to(no names metioned) said to run the xcelerator at 230, duramaximizer all the way up, and juice on 2 or 3.... so are you saying the TTS will put down the same power as this combo? no doubting ya, just curious. is the TTS adjustable on the fly? also what does it change(timing, fuel, rail pressure,etc)? think i should wait on the power loader III or if i get a II can it be upgraded?





Ryhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I've ran quite a few stacks, and none worked as well on my truck as the TTS Extreme.. trippin got it 100% right..


selectable on the fly, 80/120/Extreme.. right tire size, no speed limiter, raised rev limiter, excellent drivability, and it doesn't rattle.


It does timing and pulse.Edited by: Diesel Power

one person i talked to(no names metioned) said to run the xcelerator at 230, duramaximizer all the way up, and juice on 2 or 3.... so are you saying the TTS will put down the same power as this combo? no doubting ya, just curious. is the TTS adjustable on the fly? also what does it change(timing, fuel, rail pressure,etc)? think i should wait on the power loader III or if i get a II can it be upgraded?





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I wouldn't wait on the Power Loader 3. There are races to be won now!

can the power loader II be upgraded to the III or do you know?

The VA 200+ is a really strong running box. I've done some more street testing with the quad stack and it runs like crap over 3100 RPM. If I shift at 3000 it seems a little faster than just the VA, but it is hard to shift that quick sometimes. The stack smokes a lot more, but I showed more TQ on just the VA at Schieds. I am trying to find a VA pressure box to try with the 200+. It seems to me that the more updated the boxes get the less they like to work together.

RyanU, just remember the powerloader II can't restore your stock programming and in case of warranty work you're screwed unless you buy a new pcm to put the TTS tunes in.

Ryan it is possible on most trucks to gain more power with a stack than with the TTS extreme alone. If you already have an Edge I would buy something that will stack with your Edge (save money by using what you've got). If you don't already have an Edge then the TTS would be an option. I know the Stealth and others will stack well with the Edge and have heard that the TTS programs work well with it also. The VA boxes (except the smartbox d) will not stack with the Edge.

if you want the best go extreme,if you want to use your juice go with the tts 120 program and add a pressure box

Ryan,


Ultimately it's your truck, your decision. We are all just providing info to help you with your decision. Mtomacs stack is a proven entity. King D is a proven entity.


Having a second PCM is not necessarily a bad thing. Who knows what is actually stored in these things that can be accessed by the dealer at the most inopportune moment. I like the comfort of being able to install my stock PCM that has not been raced, when it's time for a trip to the dealer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Whatever you choose will be fine. There is no wrong decision here, just some less correct than others. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Upgrading your Juice to the Hot program will put you around 450RWHP. This is pretty close to the point of diminishing return unless you plan to spray it...

yea i would really like to use my edge to save on cluttering up my dash with gauges and save a little money. king d, when you say a pressure box what do you mean? im not familiar with this term. im assuming something like the duramaximizer? does anyone know of anyone who has stacked the edge with tts? is there a tts 120 program or would i hafta buy the extreme and set it on 120?


Ry

If your going to drop all the jack on the TTS and spend the $ for an extra stock brain......might as well buy the big dog program. JMO


I'm supposed to have my Extream next weekhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif If you go extream though get your order in early, it can take some time to get.


JK zapped my Juice to hot at his get together, hot juice is pretty stong by itself. Makes a regular juice feel like a 90hp version. For a couple hundered bucks that may get you by for awhile.


One thing about the edge.....remember that it only reads up to 25.6psi, if your ever going to do anything to monkey with boost you need another gauge.


The maximiser is a pressure box.


Also the TTS extream recently underwent a revision so any experience with stacking and what it has or hasnt ran is not apples to apples IMO. There are only a few that have played with the new version, I believe Guy hasEdited by: ratlover

yea i would really like to use my edge to save on cluttering up my dash with gauges and save a little money. king d, when you say a pressure box what do you mean? im not familiar with this term. im assuming something like the duramaximizer? does anyone know of anyone who has stacked the edge with tts? is there a tts 120 program or would i hafta buy the extreme and set it on 120?


Ry yes i do mean duramaxamizer,however a 120 and hot juice stack have produced close to the extreme dyno numbers,if you are gonna be happy with close get a 120 program which can be bought without the extreme.i am not trying to say that quads and bullydogs tuners do not work vey well,i just had better total results with the TTS

if running the tts 120 anf the hot juice would be close to the number of the extreme. would adding a pressure box make a significant change? dare i ask if the juice could be run with the extreme program just maybe keeping the juice down on 1 or 2? if so would i use a pressure box? on what circumstances do i need a pressure box? LOL i feel like im an wearin you guys out with these questions. but you hafta admit if you are just now learning how it all works it can be quite confusinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif . but im gettin the hang of it i think afterall i have only had my truck for about a month and a half. thanks for all the great help so farhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


RY

I tried stacking my updated Quad 215 with my Edge (hot version)Attitude on just level 1. No noticible gain. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

I have had good luck so far stacking my VA 230 box with timing looped out and my 1.20 Version Stealth tuner.

I have a VA 110/230 with propane and the nos is going in next week. My tranny is a full stage v(suncoast) with triple disc converter. My question is if I install my predator and use it on 80 or 85 HP whatver it is and shut off my VA will it work ok for towing? Or is there a better box with lower settings that I can use in addition to my VA for towing?

I have a VA 110/230 with propane and the nos is going in next week. My tranny is a full stage v(suncoast) with triple disc converter. My question is if I install my predator and use it on 80 or 85 HP whatver it is and shut off my VA will it work ok for towing? Or is there a better box with lower settings that I can use in addition to my VA for towing?














IMO any box that will back power down from set parameters as the Attitude advertises is a good box for towing.


Edge says either tranny slipping or predetermined EGTs will cause the Edge Attitude to back power down and hopefully protect your truck. Its your call on these options.

Will the juice work with the VA installed and turned off?

I don't have a VA, but the Edge Juice features work independently of the Quad. The Juice will only control Juice and the Quad box has nothing to do with the Juice. Juice will not back Quad power back, if the tranny slips or Egts become too high. Stacking power levels is another issue, also.


Is that an answer http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I don' know how the juice connects, under the hood or at the diagnostic port. I also don't know how to connect morethan one box under the hood I have plenty of experience stacking my 01 cummins, but not my D/A.

Jim659,


The Juice connects inline under the hood on the Duramax. I am not aware that you can install two under the hood boxes. Quad installs at Diagnostic port under the dash.

What is the quad, a predator type tuner?

What is the quad, a predator type tuner?


Quad is very similar to Bully Dog. Has the same features and options and is the same hardware box. Installs under the dash at diagnostic port.


Its a programmer.Edited by: gmccall

I have the Diablo sport on my truck an want to upgrade to more power.Should I ditch the diablo altogether an buy a quad or tts or stack like the edge or something with what I already have?

Jim, you have trans. to run higher settings while towing, so the 110 setting will work fine. I have been towing with my 150 setting as of late and it works great...just watch the EGT's. You can run the Juice with the VA, but there is too much timing in my opinion, even with one on the 0 setting.


96, keep the Predetor for diagnostics, speed limiter and tire size. If you want big power though you will need to upgrade the trans. first... then there are options.

Motovet,


Do you think I would see any gains with useing the predator as a stack. I can already clean up my smoke with just propane, can't imagine how clean it will be with a two stage nos system.

Maybe, or it could actually go the other way. Only way to tell is to try it out. I have never stacked my Predator with any other tunes myself, but some had luck stacking it with the Juice. So far I just use the stock tune on the predator to get tire size and speed limiter bumped to go along with the VA 200+.

I trid it last night and the stock tune is better. EGTsare too high stacked and. not much power difference at all

I run the predator and attitude stack.. The truck actually slows down when the predator is on anything other than "stock tune".. I just had a 2 stage nitrous system installed at TS Performance in Bowling Green KY... On Stock tune and level 5 attitude it felt great.. I was told "not" to completely clean up the fuel... I did so today while we were testing.. They threw in a 60 nos jet pre-intercooler and a 55 jet post intercooler.. This combo really picked up the truck, though they said I lost the smoke haze shortly after take off... They told me to back down to a 45 jet on the post intercooler side and it should be fine.. They just warned me not to completely take away the smoke, or I'm going to have engine damage....