ok guys , i do not have my tranny upgraded yet but i attempted to try the 135 setting on the quad and the juice 125 . i went to the track and was very disapointed . 14.8 @88mph . this to me seemed very bad . this thing should run that on juice alone ! right?





i do have 325/60/18 tires that are larger and wide . it seemed as if they were pointing in going down the track and causing some resistance . i think i need to run the stock wheel/tires when i try for the best track times . also the trans did not feel like it slipped at all but it did not sift right . it took a long pause to shift gears .


anyone have any thoughts on this .


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U need atleast tierod sleeves to keep the tires straighter.


Did u try only one box?


The juice cuts power if it sees slip.


It will take a while to adjust the shifts or burn up the trans w/ both boxes.

You must be crazy!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif There is no chance that a stock tranny could handle that stack. If you ran either box alone, I think it would be marginal. My tranny couldn't even handle the 125 juice alone. Many others can handle the 125 but I couldn't. Like Tim said, try one box alone. The 125 should get you in the low to mid 14's on a good day.


Get a tranny in there, and try again!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif See if your results changehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Slip on......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


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Something is clearly up. We need to see you whole time slip though. What was the 60', what was your ET and MPH at the 1/8.


The bigger tires will eat into your mph because of the additional rotational mass and resistance of the wider contact patch but not as bad as you're showing.


The trans is trying to protect itself which is part of the reason it's not shifting right. It needs to see a given power combination serveral times in order to learn how to handle the shifts. It is that process of trying to learn that will kill the tranny though if you run anything beyond the Juice 125. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Defueling the 4-5 shift on level 5 for track use should get you enough runs for the tranny to learn. I wouldn't hot lap more than 3 runs at a time though and keep an eye on the tranny temp because the excess heat is what kills and it's a sign that the damage has all ready begun. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Rick

paul simon said it best " slip slidin away" tranny slipped juice defueled the quad rattled(as usual) and the clock kept ticking.........end of story

Sub 15 with a stock tranny and 125 juice is asking a lot. 14.8 Sounds about right to me with the quad, but I am far from an expert on the Ally.

Sub 15 with a stock tranny and 125 juice is asking a lot. 14.8 Sounds about right to me with the quad, but I am far from an expert on the Ally.





Ohhh... it can be done if you can get a decent launch. Three runs yesterday on level 5 at Norwalk. Spinning badly trying to find the right launch combo left me with misserable 60's.


The first run was a 2.5sec 60', 15.44 at 90.7mph. The next run was 2.5sec 60', 15.4sec 91.8mph. The last run was a best run of 2.4sec 60', 15.2sec at 91.7mph. Not bad for the first trip to the track and the truck only have 1,300 miles on it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Figure a decent 60' should be a 2.2sec on street tires from what I've seen other guys posting. That's an easy .5-.6sec I left sitting at the line if I had put in some more effort instead of sitting back to watch the cars run when the Ford and Dodge guys didn't want to race the tow vehicles hahahaha. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


RickEdited by: MI Black Max

i know i have pushed the limit with both boxes but i have been driving it easy on the street and it seems to be fine . nothing really happens that make me lift on the gas , that is why i tried it at the track .


i do have tie rod sleeves also and my 60ft was 1.94 and my eight mile was a 9.3 .


i have the edge set to defuel on all shifts and i did press enter twice to disable backdown before i ran .





i will be pulling my trans this week hopefully since my tranny guy has a spot to put in my suncoast level3


after i have my tranny done i will go back and try it with both boxes except i will have the quad on 215 setting and juice on 125 , probably set for no defuel also .

that sucks man, i ran a 14.2 1/4m and a 6.1 0-60. iv only tired to run 1/4mile a couple times due the tranny being stock, but low 14's is the norm always with the juice on level 4. i thought that was pretty good for being farily stock. defuel 4-5, lfb 5, 2wd launch. the old saying 'too much of a good thing' comes to mind when looking at your stats and then the times.

Yourtires are going to continue to toe in unless you fix the front end. Tie rod sleeves will do VERY little except prevent breakage if you leave the front end up too high and get crazy.





Drop the torsion bars, replace the pitman and idler arms, and if you want them to last put on a set of my support brackets or one of SD's straight drag links...

Try one box by itself. Something is not working.


I got low 9s in the 1/8 th with Juice alone and stock tranny. A built tranny did not help as I got less than a tenth better and that was after adding a Flowmaster muffler and AFE Stage II air box. My tranny was holding my 125 juice tune at that time.


I need the tranny though for the current mods.


I get better with Quad Stealth on 215 and Attutude on 0. See signature

Greg when are you going to try out that stack? Get that Attitude off Zero.

so for track use and the best times what do i do with the front end . assuming i put my stock wheels/tires back on ? or not ?

Robert,


I plan to go to the track this Saturday at the Outlaw Diesel meet at Redline in caddo Mills. Attitude is coming off 0 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hope the "stack"works.

Many times WITHOUT nitrous, more fuel = less power...

What are you saying JK, the stack wont't work because of too much Fuel and that you need the NOS to burn the extra fuel to get more power?

yeah jk , what are you saying ?

I tried the nearly the same stack several months ago, Quad 135 and Attitude on level 5 (145hp). 1/8th mile Times were 8.70s. Something was not working.


I then placed Attitude on 0 and ran Quad on 215 and ran the 8.55.


With my latest Quad update I plan to retest at the track to see what level, if any, I can get attitude up to stacked with Quad 215.

If your trying to make good ET's on the track... get the tranny done... just because you cant feel it, dontmeen it isnt loosing power through it. Stacking is more of a guessing game, same stack on two different trucks can yield different results.

Stacking is an inexact science. At the present time, about 500RWHP give or take a few percentage points is about all the air we can move with the stock turbo. About say 460-470 seems to be the point of diminishing return based on my testing.


Overfueling can gain power (dirty power) to a point, but then it can flip the opposite way. We took fuel OUT of certain ranges of the VA program in our testing to gain power...

mash the brake pedal get revs to 2000-2200 rpm in 4hi leter go should be in the low 1.9s