Before the flaming begins please read the post!!


It is true that I traded my LLY in last week. The truck had 18,000 miles in about 4 months. It had been in the shop 4 times already. The last for a cracked water pump, its 3rd fuel sending unit, and rough idle when cold. The dealer could not figure out what the problem was w\ the idle. To make it worse the truck would barely even creep out of the hole, even w\ the Edge and the TTS ECM. Once it got moving it was fine, but it was A TURD off the line! In fact you could not pull out in front of traffic in higher elevations ~5000 ft. And the truck would barely offroad in 4 high. THe dealer said it checked out normal and I went through the roof. Unfortunately, I do not have time to play with this thing any longer. I am not bashing Chevy, but I do feel as if they took a MAJOR STEP backward w\ the LLY. My Father in Law has an 02 which is great, but the LLY just doesn't do it for me. On its farewell ride to Prescott, it could barely even go 70 up a 6% grade. I realize that there are alot of happy LLY owners, but I unfortunately am not. I am also unhappy about the lack of large HP programs for the LLY. Again, it seems the General took a large step backwards in this dept. Albeit, they probably were trying to reduce the ease of HP mods in an attempt to lower warranty rates. I hope to talk to you guys in the future, I have no contempt against Chevy or Chevy owners, I just got a lemon. The best gas mileage I ever saw was 16.2 MPG, a little low for a diesel. The new Cummins I bought I have seen a hand calculated average of 18.6MPG through the first 1K miles. In closing VVT turbos are the devil!!!

Your still in a diesel so its still a real truck! Hope the Dodge meets your needs. JJ http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

BLASPHEMY!!!


Just Kidding, after all of the problems that you were having, I really don't blame you.......oh and neither does Hoothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Thanks guys!!

Please try to "dodge" me if you ever make it to FL. Sorry about your lemon, at least you wont get scurvy. I cant say so much about buyers remorse.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif see you soonhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Who is the poor sucker you stuck that POS LLY with? How is the power on the Dodge and tell us what you think about it compared to the Chevy, other then the power issues.

Off the line torque on the Cummins is MASSIVE!! It pulls so hard! The only thing that it is missing is the Allison! Other than that the shifts are firm and fast, and top speed is 107 on stock tire at 2900 RPMS, redline is 3200. If you punch it off the line the wheels begin to spin midway thru the intersection and continue to do so until you let your foot off, this includes after shifting. The Cummins motor is SUPER QUIET, it is kind of ironic considering how LOUD the old motors were.

I'm most likely going to get hell for what I'm about to write here, but I don't care, After I read your statement about how your basically new and unbroken in 4 month old Duramax/Allison let you down and you traded her in on a new Dodge with a Cummins I decided to do a little looking around, so I started by clicking on your Profile and clicking on all the post you made on here, to say that I'm amazed that your truck lasted as long as it did after a jerk like you got there @ss behind the wheel is an understatement, I'm asking any member on here who has common sense to please read Koopdaddyshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif 41 post like I did, for instance read the post he started called Goodnight & Kaboom, this is about his unfortunate transmission failure, he writes, The Transmission would never shift smoothly even under FULL Throttle with the Quad on the 90 to 120 setting, this is a warning to all of you, your transmission will not hold a Quad with a heavy foot, I would like everyone to take notice that he posted about his transmission failure on May,26,2004, so this means that the truck was just bought and most likely didn't even see its first oil change and this guy already has a box installed on it and ran the piss out of it until he burned the tranny up, another good post he made is about fuel mileage, I cant get more then 13.3 mpg when I'm running down the freeway at 75 mph, NO Chit, I cant figure out why ether http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif , and fellows thats just 2 of his 41 post, I suggest you take your time and read them all for a good chuckle, and you'll see why GM and the other company's are coming down so hard on the rest of us responsible diesel owners who know the limitations and prober break in procedures of a piece of equipment even after installing power enhancing equipment, Koopdaddyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif doesn't want a truck thats designed to haul heavy loads and tow, he wants a race truck that he can drive 130 MPH down the highway, or 80 mph up a steep hill while towing, and he will do what ever it takes to accomplish the feat, anyone on here want to take bets on how long the new Cummins is going to last before he runs it into the ground, of course it will be Dodges or Cummins fault , not his. Edited by: BuckeyeQuicky

Good luck with your Dodge. Enjoy that Cummins!

I'm most likely going to get hell for what I'm about to write here, but I don't care, After I read your statement about how your basically new and unbroken in 4 month old Duramax/Allison let you down and you traded her in on a new Dodge with a Cummings I decided to do a little looking around, so I started by clicking on your Profile and clicking on all the post you made on here, to say that I'm amazed that your truck lasted as long as it did after a jerk like you got there @ss behind the wheel is an understatement, I'm asking any member on here who has common sense to please read Koopdaddyshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif 41 post like I did, for instance read the post he started called Goodnight & Kaboom, this is about his unfortunate transmission failure, he writes, The Transmission would never shift smoothly even under FULL Throttle with the Quad on the 90 to 120 setting, this is a warning to all of you, your transmission will not hold a Quad with a heavy foot, I would like everyone to take notice that he posted about his transmission failure on May,26,2004, so this means that the truck was just bought and most likely didn't even see its first oil change and this guy already has a box installed on it and ran the piss out of it until he burned the tranny up, another good post he made is about fuel mileage, I cant get more then 13.3 mpg when I'm running down the freeway at 75 mph, NO Chit, I cant figure out why ether http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif , and fellows thats just 2 of his 41 post, I suggest you take your time and read them all for a good chuckle, and you'll see why GM and the other company's are coming down so hard on the rest of us responsible diesel owners who know the limitations and prober break in procedures of a piece of equipment even after installing power enhancing equipment, Koopdaddyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif doesn't want a truck thats designed to haul heavy loads and tow, he wants a race truck that he can drive 130 MPH down the highway, or 80 mph up a steep hill while towing, and he will do what ever it takes to accomplish the feat, anyone on here want to take bets on how long the new Cummings is going to last before he runs it into the ground, of course it will be Dodges or Cummings fault , not his.





Hmmm, very interesting indeed.

Well, it is unfortunate that koopy got a truck that didn't meet his expectations. I don't believe he got the same truck that the majority of the rest of us did. Not being able to even go 70 MPH up a 6% grade should have been a clue that the truck wasn't up to the task from the beginning. These trucks are strong and pretty fast for something so heavy.


I also agree with BEQ, before adding a bunch of modifications to my truck, I at least make sure it is working without major problems. If the truck doesn't meet your expectations, why keep it in the first place. Probably should have considered taking it to another dealer or somewhere else to have them take a look at it before assuming it is working correctly and throwing as many power modifications as possible on the thing to make something break.


Like BEQ, hope that Dodge lasts, the way you take care of it, I'd say the odds are against you.

I must be like the guniea pig here because my LLY runs a heck of a lot better than my 01 LB7 did. I wouldnt trade this thing for the world. It is probably likely that the cummins doesnt yet meet the emmisions that the LLY meets as well. That is another thing you really need to look at. We all know that the more emissions controls means it takes more power to feel like a truck w/o emissions.

Good points Buckeye. By the way its pronounced CUMMINS not CUMMINGShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Well by the looks of his fleet, $$$ is no object and seems to have enough to p*ss away at any given moment.......sure he took a huge loss......

cleaned it up...sorry Mac.


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Easy with the personal attack.Everyone has their right to a opinion,lets not cross the line.


Thanks

You had your truck one week and you are BETA testing a box.....what the hell is wrong with you? Anybody else smell the fish?

Wow ... glad I didn't get that kind of treatment http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif

Guess the LLY couldn't handle a little heavy peddle. I don't remember that being an issue over the last few years. I think he had a bad runner.

Well, hoot,


There is a big difference in the way you went about it, and the way koopy is going about it. Heck, I'm even looking forward to meeting you at the NEGTG. . . .


Dennis

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I don't know what the guy did or did not do, but he's right on the LLY. I had 2 01's and would rate them 9 on a scale of 1 to 10. Put over 150,000 miles on each!! Hard ones!! Have an 03 and rate it 7 on the scale. Have 2 LLY's and rate them 4 on the scale. Overheating, low power, poor fuel mileage, and they seem noisier out on the road. If GM can't fix them soon I will be looking for 01's or Dodge's.

One thing I don't understand about all of this.....if you have that big of a problem with a vehicle...leave it at the dealer until it is fixed. Contact GM and make a fuss. You guys running a business should understand this better than anyone. Trading off your brand new trucks is a loosing deal no matter how you want to justify it. I am lost on all of this. Rick...if you a constantly overheating your lly and you are hauling for a business..why not just get a semi? To me this makes all the sense in the world with the dot crack down. You have 70,000 miles on your lly...so how bad could it be? No flaming here..just trying to sort all of this out.

Try blocking the cooled egr.

dpower.... is this a real issue or not? I'm not asking this so I can bash... I just like to hear the truth. No matter what brand.Edited by: hoot

The semi and my wife would not get along. I usually only pull empty trailers at about 16 - 18,000 pounds gross vehicle weight. The pickups usually average better fuel economy and seem to have better resale, plus we use them for personal use also. There are also still some loop holes you can use with the DOT on the return trip. Also there are some states that do not require pickups to scale no matter what. I have contacted GM and they sent me a $3700 customer loyalty check and assured me I would not have the problem again, so I bought the second 2004.5. They have worked on the first one more times than I can count, and they admit they have no clue. My son's last trip to California it puked out over 3 gallon of coolant along side the road. I have tried to toast it, but they have protection built into the computer. It drops the power level if you continue to push it.


I love my Chevrolet's and I am paying for it. We have tried the egr blockoff plate and it did little good. I have an appointment Wednesday at Warp Speed Performance in Arkansas to have the 4 inch exhausts put on 2 of my trucks. Then we will try the egr block off again. The Edge Juice box seems to help on lighter loads, but if you gets over 20,000 pounds or you get into a bad wind you get the audible alarm and power reduction on long grades. I would love to try a Ford or a Dodge for 1 or 2 trips. My wife is going to check on renting one for a week when we get back home. Thanks for the suggestions and any input would be great.

As for losing big $$$, let me say this. I bought my LLY $1K below invoice + $4500.00 in rebates. It was out the door $38,166.00. I traded it in and got $36K , $2880 in sales tax credit. I did lose about $1200 on the total deal if you include the rims and tires and the 6" loft. So as long as you bought the Chevy at a good price, you will not have a problem selling it for almost as much as you paid for it. As for the Cummins purchase I bought an 05 for $250.00 below invoice + $1300.00 in rebates, and it was $37442.00 Out the door. You guys are not reading my post correctly. I have no problem with the Duramax Diesel in general, I just had a bad truck... Plain and simple!! Besides trading the truck in cost me almost nothing and I got another brand new truck! I was even thinking about buying an 03 LB7, but the dealer was asking way to much for the used truck! I have 2500 Miles on the Dodge so far, and absolutely 0 problems. Great Power and it tows like a beast. I guess to each their own.

Hoot...I would answer your question but I have no idea what you are talking about.