Here in Sask. the government doesn't charge road tax on farm or off road diesel and they mark this fuel with an amber dye.


I was talking to a guy a couple of days ago and he told me that my 6.5 won't run properly on this dyed fuel. He said that it screws up the optical sensor on the IP.


Anyone else heard this?


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Here in Sask. the government doesn't charge road tax on farm or off road diesel and they mark this fuel with an amber dye.


I was talking to a guy a couple of days ago and he told me that my 6.5 won't run properly on this dyed fuel. He said that it screws up the optical sensor on the IP.


Anyone else heard this?


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As a mater of fact I have been told this also. When 6.5 were but a few years out some people in Alaska had been running off road fuel in their 6.2's started using it in their electrionic 6.5 trucks also. The mechanic's would, using a 5 gallon gas can of clean fuel, reroute the fuel pickup out of that can, runn the truck till it would start running right in the shop, just to make sure that this was the problem. They then charged the owner to drain and flush the truck tank and refill with good fuel. Never had this problem myself but that's their story and they were sticking to it.

I know of a "Farm" EFI 6.5 burning dyed fuel with no problems. As far as I know it's been using it for years.

I have seen the same thing happen. over time the dye has in some cases been known to stain the optical enough to make it act erractic. I would not run it in my own truck, but some people do.
brian.

i run farm fuel in mine probably 50% of the time and havent had a problem yet.

i run farm fuel in mine probably 50% of the time and havent had a problem yet.


glad to hear that and hopefully what ever was the problem early has been corrected in later models.

The only reason that I ask is when I was away with the truck on holidays I was burning pump fuel for about 800 miles and it was running great. Now I am home and have put a couple of tanks of dyed fuel through it and it doesn't have the same feel as before. Nothing I can quantify, just a seat of the pants type thing.


Thanks


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Dyed fuel will not hurt anything. Been doin it for 250k I think it is fresher and the added sulpher keeps everything slicked up inside QM is rightEdited by: justin25taylor

Sulphur content, in and of itself, has nothing to do with performance or lubricity of diesel fuel. Rather, it is the processing that the fuel has to undergo to remove the sulphur that robs the fuel of its lubricity. Farm fuel does not have a different sulphur content from Road fuel, the dye is the ONLY difference and its there to keep track of who is and isn't paying their taxes.


That said, I've never heard of a complaint of the dye causing any problems with any IP. Diesel fuel, dyed or not, all needs to be treated with a lubricity additive at a minimum, cetane, lowered cloud point etc, those are all icing on the cake.

Dyed fuel is great until the state DOT folks stop you and check your tank. It gets very expensive paying the federal and state fines. It can be in the thousands. The dye is hard to get rid of so don't think changing to undyed fuel clears it up. Around here in NC they stop all diesels including pickups at random places.

Justin's lucky enough to spend enough time in the pasture to legitimize it. Edited by: quantum mechanic

troopers in ohio dont check much anymore, knock on wood

Dyed fuel will not hurt anything. Been doin it for 250k I think it is fresher and the added sulpher keeps everything slicked up inside QM is right


Never say Never! Thee has been problems with the dye and the optical eye.

The optical is replaceable, I have a new one sitting here. it lists for around $250 but that's not a discount price.

Even if you have to pay $250 list for a new optical sensor, at $.50/gallon savings (typical around here) you only have to drive 7500 miles to make using the red stuff pay for the optical sensor.


Where I'm from, there's no way I'd have problems with ever making it three times that distance. In fact, I severely doubt I'd ever get busted (here in the corn belt). Of course, if I'm proven wrong the cost of the fines would blow that financial feasibility theory through the roof.


Like I said in previous posts, with diesel getting so high priced, that red stuff is looking more and more temping at the pumps. All I gotta do is tell the pay-at-the-pump-machine to turn on pump #2 instead of pump #1. Then I'm paying $1.30 instead of $1.85. It's as simple as that. Just haven't done it yet.Edited by: w_huisman

Even if you have to pay $250 list for a new optical sensor, at $.50/gallon savings (typical around here) you only have to drive 7500 miles to make using the red stuff pay for the optical sensor.


Where I'm from, there's no way I'd have problems with ever making it three times that distance. In fact, I severely doubt I'd ever get busted (here in the corn belt). Of course, if I'm proven wrong the cost of the fines would blow that financial feasibility theory through the roof.


Like I said in previous posts, with diesel getting so high priced, that red stuff is looking more and more temping at the pumps. All I gotta do is tell the pay-at-the-pump-machine to turn on pump #2 instead of pump #1. Then I'm paying $1.30 instead of $1.85. It's as simple as that. Just haven't done it yet.





I guess this is part of what serarates us from others in the world, honestity and the ablitity for independent thought. Your choice, but if enough people "save" 250.00 per year then the goverenment has to find the way to pay the bills somehow right. Just like a business, when your outgo is greater then your income etc...... You undrstand the rest I'm sure. Hey have a great day.

very true bowtie and i agree with you. the only reason i use farm fuel sometimes is that is my payment for using my truck on the farm. i pull a trailer or a wagon or something else for my dad, he lets me fill up from our 500 gallon fuel tank.

Since the taxes pay for roaduse, using your truck on the farm and burning ag fuel to do it seems rightous.


Edited by: quantum mechanic

i have always been told that no matter what a pickup truck or grain truck is used for, it is illegal to run farm fuel in it. farm fuel is for off road equipment. this is what my dad and my neighbor farmers have always told me. but they are probably wrong or just full of bullcrap.Edited by: steiner43511

No, they're right. If you're truck never comes on road, it wouldn't be an issue. But it seems to be rurally accepted to do it. Is your truck registered as a farm truck? It says farm truck on my plate but I don't use ag diesel all the same.

Stiener, thats my understanding of it too. If it has licence plates it cant use it. I think that driving around on a farm or ranch and an ocasional trip to town does not abuse the savings. But thats not my understanding of the law.

they dont use farm plates in ohio anymore. they just use commercial. the farm plates were abused by people that didnt even farm and wanted cheap plates. mine isn't registered commercially either. save a little when gettin plates.

One of the previous owners of mine had it run on heating oil (which is colored red here), but I don't know for how long. He could do it legally, afaik, but I can't. I've had a tank full of Diesel labled to be without any additives on holiday in Portugal, no problem with that.


Well, I'm paying more than twice of what you pay for the fuel ... Running SVO would save me about $1200 per year, that stuff being even more expensive than your fuel. Prices are a very sad thing here.

ive gotten dyed fuel at a lot of places selling it as onroad fuel (mostly stops on I95) i have never bought offroad fuel, but every time i change my fuel filter it is red. it pisses me off that i pay the taxes on that fuel and the fuel stop puts it in their pocket.

ive gotten dyed fuel at a lot of places selling it as onroad fuel (mostly stops on I95) i have never bought offroad fuel, but every time i change my fuel filter it is red. it pisses me off that i pay the taxes on that fuel and the fuel stop puts it in their pocket.


I think i'd find out where that was and either stop shopping there and/or report them for doing it.