I'm sure this has been hashed out before, but I'm
in the market for new A/T tires for my dually. I'm
staying with the same size (215/85 E)

I have the stock Goodyear Wranglers on and I
like their looks...... but would consider other brands.

I would appreciate your suggestions and recommendations.

Goodyear Wrangler A/T
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/A83_wrangats.jpg

Bridgestone Dueler A/T
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/C28_Bridgestone.jpg

Michelin XPS A/T
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/78C_Michelin.jpg

BF Goodrich A/T
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/D39_BF_Goodrich.jpg

Cooper Discoverer A/T
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/discovererAT_3.jpg

Dunlap Radial Rover A/T
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/596_dunvl2.jpgEdited by: 56Nomad

i'm just starting to look as well, i'm going up to 235-85, probably dueller a/t i like the square shoulder look on the tire and alittle more aggressive tread. michelins cost too much for me

I'm curious to see how this thread hashes out! I've got the 215 Goodyears on my Dually also and am going with the Mich's when these are used up. Going up in diameter though. I still haven't quite figured out why 2500HD's get 245's and dually's get 215's out of the factory, when the drivetrain is the same! If someone could enlighten me, I'd be grateful!

2500 gets 245/75 dooleys get 215/85 there almost the same diameter..... its up to the owner to put real tires on.... i got 235/85 bfg at/ko in the back and 265/75 up front keeps that big diesel outta the mud nice. work good on the 4x4 tires are almost same diameter rears .1 taller than fronts but when yor talking 31.65 31.75 it really doesnt matterEdited by: chevmeister

Good luck fitting anything bigger on the dually without a spacer on the stock rims...Go on...go outside and measure the space between your tires.





Thast right...aint gonna fit. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Diesel Dually,

As I stated in my orignial post, I will be staying with
the stock tire sizes. All the tire/wheel dealers
recommended that spacers should not be used on
duallies.

Good luck fitting anything bigger on the dually without a spacer on the stock rims...Go on...go outside and measure the space between your tires.





Thast right...aint gonna fit. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif





Well Diesel Dually...I've seen many a dually with larger tires on it, up to LT245/85R16, that have plenty of space between the tires with no spacer. If I stay with 85's and only increase in tire diameter, I won't have anything to worry about!!!!

Have you looked at the Cooper Discoverer AT's?


I had them on my plow truck in the 265 and they worked great for winter and summer driving and they are not that loud either.

Thanks AK,

It 's available in (215/85 E) Photo added.

Before people make statements that they have seen "things" on other trucks you should make sure it's the same type of truck as you.


It's been hashed over a few times and you really should search out "Dually tire size"


GM switched the rim dimensions on 01 and up duallys.


You cant put a larger tire on with out the tires touching, which if you haul a load in the truck will cause heat to build up and a possible failure from the tires rubbing each other.


Have people done it......Yes. But it dosent mean it's right.


235/85 size tires not only increase the diamater of the tire they increase the WIDTH of the tire. You go from a 8.6 inch wide tire to a 9.3 inch wide tire. And that is where the trouble is.


You lose about 3/4 of an inch between your DUAL tires.


Use the Search function to be informed about the problems with switching sizes on new Dually's.

Thank you DD,


That was my point entirely.


56,


My post was not for you, since I paid attention that you were not upsizing. It was meant for those who posted that they did plan to upsize. I bought the truck to tow/haul on occasion. I would not want to trash perfectly good new tires because they look cool. Believe me that I really want bigger tires...but I want to do it right!





Daze,


I urge you to go out right after you read this post. Measure the distance between your tires. If you haul 19K GCVW, you will want to make certain that your duallies do not rub.





Have a great weekend all!

Currently, I run 235/85 Revos on my truck (2500HD). Don't wear well at all, way too skinny for the power... Wear is ok up front.


Running 235/85 Michelin XPS Tractions on '01 Dodge rears (Dually). Wear is excellent, and balance like nothing else. Worth their weight in gold, in my eyes. All steel, even the sidewalls, and they run absolutely true - no lead on 'em at all.


Same truck, just put 235/85 Revos on the front - the XPS Tractions are a little extreme for a steer tire, and the XPS Ribs don't look like they offer anything for traction, hence the Revos. XPS Tractions just look like they would make ride/steer quality suffer...


My .02


If you do end up going with XPS Tractions all the way around, keep us posted as to how they behave up front.


TyEdited by: tysmith

I took the Gener crap tires off my dually with 900 miles on them. I put on Michilens which I've run on my older 93. In my opinion Michilens are worth every penny, they ride good & they wear good.

Well Diesel Dually...I did as you asked, and I have to agree with you and the others! The increase in size ain't gonna happen! Damn!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif My apologies! But it makes me very happy to have joined this forum to have the valuable info that can be provided by all of you!


The other duallys that I've seen were newer model duallys, but they may not carry the loads that I do. I'll still probably go with the Michelins when the time comes though!

I've been looking to replace the original Firestone Steeltex tires. they did not handle well in the snow and wet pavement and at 30,000 miles they are almost worn out. I figure only about another 5,000 miles left in them.


I've narrowed my choices down to:


#1 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO


#2 Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo


#3 DunlopRadial Rover RVXT


I had the hardest time on a final decission and I just decided an hour ago to get the BF Goodrich. They are all close for my needs.


I was looking for a good highway tire that was also good in the snow and an E load rating because I tow a lot. All three were rated very good for snow, dry and wet pavement in forums. The BF Goodrich All-Terrain lasts for very high milages whereas the other two did not have rave reviews about lasting milage wise.


The BFGoodrich and the Dunlop also have the RMA Severe Snow Rating.


Two places that have good buyer review sections are:


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JohnnyO,

Thanks for the websites.

I think your #2 choice (Bridgestone) is the only one
of your choices that have the tire size and load range
I need (215/85 E)

The Bridgestone Revos are the only truck tires I know of that carry a 50000 mile treadwear guarantee. Keep 'em rotated...


Ty

I've narrowed my choices down to:


#1 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO


#2 Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo


#3 DunlopRadial Rover RVXT


I had the hardest time on a final decission and I just decided an hour ago to get the BF Goodrich. They are all close for my needs.


The BF Goodrich All-Terrain lasts for very high milages whereas the other two did not have rave reviews about lasting milage wise.





Read all "Tirerack" the reviews again. THE BFG have many poor reviews for highway wear.

i'm just starting to look as well, i'm going up to 235-85, probably dueller a/t i like the square shoulder look on the tire and alittle more aggressive tread. michelins cost too much for me


I have a 2001 dually, and I'm thinking going to a Bridgestone Dueller. My only concern is the comments I've read about these tires bulging under load.


The BFG's All-Terrain T/A KO seem to have stronger sidewalls, as do the Bridgestone Dueler M/T D673 .


What are the other Duramax dually owners with 16" wheels running for size and brand?

I am going with some 255/85's -- with spacers of course. Either BFG Mud-Terrain T/A KM's or Cooper Discoverer STT's most likely.


I have had great success with Michelin's (too bad they're based in France), but have yet to try BFG or Cooper.

I just installed Michelin xps traction tires on front and back of my truck.After much research they seemed to be the best for my uses,which is mud and snow.I was a little concerned about noise,ride,handling,and snow.Now that I have them installed all I can say is WOW, no noise,ride is the same or better,handling the same or better.The only thing I cannot try is snow as we have none http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif .The tires that I am comparing the Michelins to is the Goodyear at/s's.I found the Goodyear tire to be quiet,handle ok,ride ok and for the first year good in snow.After the first year and about 12,000 miles they out right sucked in the snow, didn't think I would be able to finish the year with them.When taken off after 2 1/2 years they had 35,000 miles on them and were worn out anyways.All this brought me to having to purchase tires before winter.As 56 nomad has said there is a limited amount of tires in this size and if looking for a good winter tire even less.My main needs were good in snow, long lasting and not noisy as I drive this truck everyday.Other than the snow they have exceeded what I expected and am quite happy.Keep in mind that my truck weighs 9200 empty and I keep 80 pounds in all tires as I haul heavy quite a bit and your results may vary.I will also say that when I was at the tire dealers store their was a man writing down #'s from tires than using a knife to slash the sidewallhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif which sort of caught my eye.Being the nice guy I am I went over to see if I could helphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif .Well this guy was the Toyo rep and was doing defects,road hazard etc.I told him I might have purchased Toyo's from the dealer if they had the size I needed as I have had great success with the Toyo observe winter tires on my other vehicle.So he gets his books out to show me what he has and finds nothing as I expected.Than he gets another book and tells me about tires that are coming by container from overseas and are expected in a few days to week.They are a new tire and come in 215/85/16E, I believe that are a variation of the winter observe but don't remember for sure.So if you like Toyo tires and are not in too much of a rush you might want to see what they have to offer.If you want some additional reading on the XPS go to thedieselstop.com and there is a lot of info,and most swear by them.

So far i've got 60,000 miles on a set of XPS Tractions. Probably would do better if they got rotated a bit more often than 1 time. They're not to the wear bars yet but they're beginning to get a little slick so a new set should be here next week.


BTW BFG is owned by Michelinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I have Cooper Discover A/Ts on my 2001 3500. I have been happy with the tires in all types of conditions including snow, rain, freezing rain as well as summer, highway driving. Excellent traction. Not too much noise on the highway. The store I bought them from says that they are popular in the oil patch. Cannot judge wear since I only have 20,000 miles on them.

I bought the truck with Michelin XPS Ribs on it. Great summer tire. Quiet. Track well in the rain. But winter -- forget about it ! The XPS Ribs now sit under my Cardinal 5er.

Two other tires to add to the list (available in 215/85 16 LR E) are the Toyo Open Country A/T and the Michelin LTX M/S. The LTX M/S were second choice when I bought the Coopers.

BTW BFG is owned by Michelinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Thanks! That makes things simpler -- Cooper it is. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Is Cooper the only American tire company left?

I have been following this thread with great interest as well. During the last couple of months I have been closely looking at 2001 and up C &amp; K 3500 trucks for what owners are using for tires and wheels combinations. Short of the extreme that have switched to the 19" deals, most are pretty much standard fare in regards to combinations. Tires makers is all over the place. I find it strange that there can be enough of a difference between stock wheels where a person can run the larger tires with a load and they do not rub. I asked a few guys out in Fresno area that I saw at truck stops and they said the key in avoiding rubbing was increased tire pressure. I saw an '02 Ext Cab K 3500 with 235's and had a horse trailer with 2 horses aboard. I looked very closely and the tires had not shown any signs of rubbing. I have not met anybody using spacers.


For measurement purposes when I have my rear GoodYears at 75lbs with my inner stock wheel and Alcoa Magnum outer I have nearly 1.5" clearance tire to tire. With my boat loaded (appx 4000lbs loaded with gear and stuff in bed) it reduces the clearance to 1.25ish again at 75 psi. Upsizing tires to a 235/85 tire increases width by .750 per tire but the effective clearance loss is still .750 since it is spread across both wheels.


I guess two questions surface,


Why do you want the larger tires?


Why not stick with stock sizing and not deal with potential speed, tire rubbing, calibration and other issues?


I personally think that Dually trucks were bought for a very specific reason; Hauling, towing, pulling, trailering, campers and so on. I believe most realize this and stick with stock combinations. Some will venture outside. I say the best choice is to remain with OEM configured tires. I have considered the larger tires but have veered away to date. I am closing in on100k miles now and getting close to needing my 3rd set of tires. My largest concern is with the Alcoa wheels I do not have the tire rotation option unless they unmount them and switch to the appropriate wheels. That cost makes it uneconomical. My first set of tires lasted 48K miles. This 2nd set has gone about the same but I have had a couple more front end alignments done since the addition of the Alcoa's. The Good Year tires have performed well but am considering a change to the Bridgestone Revo Dueller AT's

JJ's .02 cents worth! Tires, tires, tires! Who woulda thunk tires could be so interesting!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gifTireRack.com is a great resource for researching what others say about tires, I use it extensively for my passenger cars. Then again few of the people that post on the site really know what they are talking about when it comes to tires!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif


The technical data is good intel. Treadwear ratings, load capacities, dimensions, etc. are things to consider. However, if you are going to work your truck you'll want to visit sites where guys put some loads on them or tow heavy, e.g. RV.NET; DP; The Diesel Page; Pickup Trucks.com; etc.


I've found tires to be a science all to themselves, especially those with heavy load ranges. I've found few, few, few employees at Firestone, Goodyear, Tires Plus, Discount Tire, and other consumer tire centers that understand truck tires. They think they do, and if you don't know better you will think they do, but generally they don't! This can be dangerous! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif


My recommendation is to find a couple of tire shops that work on light duty trucks (2500's and 3500's) and/or medium duty trucks. They are out there, you just have to find them. Truck tires in the yellow pages is a good place to start. Outline your specific usage requirements and desired ride characteristics, and obtain a couple of recommendations from them. They will also have the best intel on tire sizes, handling characteristics, etc.


BTW, our trucks come with rubber high pressure valve stems. These are easily broken off, they also harden from the heat of the tire and become rigid and can break off. I tow very heavy (25k lbs GCW), first thing I did was get metal HP valve stems installed, not extensions, bolt ons! The internet has a wealth of information, best to use it! Good luck, be safe! JJ http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Ihad an 01 dually, and I replaced the 215-85/16 with 235-85/16 bridgestone revos. space was close but no rub. I just put new revos on my 04 also no rub. they look so much better than the stock 215.but I only tow about 10,00lbs

I agonized over the question of upsizing to 235/85 R16. Decided not to
despite the additional options available in that size. A few of my
thoughts:

1). I do not want to have to keep 80 PSI on the back to prevent rubbing
since 55 PSI is enough for the load and rides so much better.

2). In Edmonton, we often get really cold weather (30 below) that reduces the tire pressure.

3). While the likelihood of rubbing is low, the consequences would be ugly (e.g., blowout).



The rest of the doolie market (Ford, Dodge) are moving away from 16
inch wheels anyway. Would be really nice to get some choices in 17 or
18 inch rims without breaking the bank.

I run Mastercraft 235/85 all around mine. No rub when loaded. I mean loaded. Not under 22,000. SO they will fit. Now a buddy of mine with the same truck tried Michellins, and they rubbed bad, unloaded, so he tried a small spacer, and they still rubbed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif I am not foe sure of the style.

Why do you want the larger tires?


Why not stick with stock sizing and not deal with potential speed, tire rubbing, calibration and other issues?





My biggest reason for wanting the larger tires is so I can more closely match the fuel mileage that the 2500HD's are getting. They have the same engine, trans, and rear gear. And...a matching towing capacity. So...if the D-max/Ally can handle those size tires on a 2500HD, why not on a 3500? I only want to increase to a 235 or 245/85R16. No larger that what comes stock out of the factory on the 3/4 tons. I realize that tire rub is a major concern for the smaller tire size, but can't you get a taller tire that is the same width?Edited by: CrazyDaze

CrazyDaze,


I agree. I wish they made a taller tire with the same width. The military gets those tires all the time. It would also be nice for wheel makers to step into the market and offer large diameter wheels with some offset changes so we could run larger tires. I was so hoping that Alcoa was going to offer the 19.5 with the standard GM bolt pattern but did not. They opted to walk away from the offering...So with me buying the other wheels from Alcoa I am done. Not going to step into another set of wheels with my truck sitting at 100K miles. I just want to drive it until the wheels fall off.


On Note: I have convinced my local tire shop to mount up the Bridgestone 235/85 tires on the rear and we will hook up my boat in the lot. If they hit or are too close I will have them take them off. They said no charge and feel extremely confident it will fit without issue. They stated that they add these tires to alot of Dually's and have yet to have a customer come back with issues or rubbing concerns.


So the debate continues....

If you can...bug them a little about what their previous customers were loading their trucks down with. I'm really curious to see what you find out and how yours look when mounted and the boat hooked up.


What is the tongue weight of your boat trailer? Mine is only 630 lbs, so that really doesn't affect the radial bulge in the tire when I have the tires up to full inflation. But...when the camper is loaded with the boat hooked up, there is considerable sidewall deflection.


Anyway...if you could let me know your findings, I would appreciate it!


Jeff

Ya Duramax Dually I would like to know how you make out with the 235's too.


Going from a 30.5 inch tall tire to a 32 inch tall tire sure would look better.

Well let the numbers of http://www.tirerack.com/ do the talking. My 2 cents would be to look at going up from a 6 ply to 8 or 10. You will see a huge difference with the bulge and a lot less sway in your trucks handling.

I picked up my 6 new Dunlap Radial Rover A/T's
$112 each, at Sears....... they look good too!Edited by: 56Nomad

CrazyDaze/Diesel Dragon


I will sure let you know and take some pics if I have time. We plan on doing in it in a week or so. I got a lot of driving to do over the next couple of weeks and we want to do it as the last car type deal on a Saturday. The manager and I are going to do it...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif. I will ask about other customers and their use, if any.


CrazeDaze. The tongue weight on my boat is about 500lbs. When I put the boat on my truck now I have virtually no bulge. When I had my 11K lb trailer on, it had a slight bulge and the tongue weight on that was over 1000lbs. I also used the drawtite weight distribution bars. Now I am one that always keeps my tires around 75 psi all the time. I do not even consider the ride. A truck is a truck and I cannot expect to have a truck that can tow upwards 15K lbs and drive like a caddy. The truck rides nice. This weekend going to go load and move easily 5000 -7000lbs of building supplies. about a 180 mile tow. Some Bed, some trailer.

Finally got back to chat with my friend at the tire shop. He told me that to date(and he has been the manager of the Wheel Works in San Jose for 7 years now) that he has never seen or heard of a P235/85/16 tire or tires coming back that was installed on the back of a Dually. He noted that includes every brand not just Bridgestone. He also stated that he has installed them on trucks that had the camper on in the lot. As he laughed, he asked" Why do you ask about this?". I told him about the debate on the rear tires rubbing and blowing out. He just said it has never happened and not to worry. I told him of the site so he may come on and post here. Now he also referred me to www.wheeladapter.com (http://www.wheeladapter.com) and told me to talk to them. So I called. I told him about this tire discussion and he said he makes the adaptor set up for GM that spaces it out properly and so on. very informative engineer. He asked what size tire I wanted to increase too. I said the P235/85...he started laughing and said..You absolutely do not need spacers/adaptors for that tire. They will not hit or rub unless you exceed(by alot he mentioned) the weight requirement. He said I install these adaptors all the time and people usually get them when they increase to P265 or even larger.


I sure hopes this helps. My plan is to have the new tires on next week(just picked up another screw in front driver tire. I have a screw or nail in 3 of six tires now) so I want to get them off as they are getting thin and not economical to pull and repair. I hope to post pictures with trailer attached for anyone interested to see.


On another note, I want to add the metal extended valve stems on the inner rear wheels, does anybody know who makes them or a place to acquire them? Any input would be appreciated


Regards


Jeff

Duramax Dually,

Please do take some photos!! I saw a dually yesterday in front of
me who had what I guesstimate to be about a 245 and they were rubbing
badly.



As a note, I saw an 05 F350 DRWat the auto show. It had 245/ 75 / R17 tires as stock equipment!

ZZ4X4,


I would have to think P245's would rub and warrant the use of spacers if you wanted them.


As for the F Series. I would suspect with everybody migrating towards larger wheel/tire combos, GM will change this soon as well. I have no intention of lifting or spacing mine. I just want some good 10ply tires and add a little 'Look" to the truck without compromising any safety.


Edited by: Duramax Dually

D-Max Dually,


Kewl..thanks! That's some great info! I look forward to hearing how they fit.


I think you'll find some extensions for your valve stems at Camping World. I certain that I saw a nice S/S set in there.


Jeff

Just shoed my '02 Dually with Bridgestone AT Revos to the tune of $937.





But I love these tires after 30 miles more than I ever liked the Good years...

Diesel Dually


What size tires did you put on and are they on the stock rims?

Diesel Dually and Duramax Dually where are you?


Inquiring minds want to know how you made out with the 235's on stock rim's?

Michelin's


My stock goodyear wranglers lasted untill 29000. I then put on michelins and the truck has 96000 miles on it now. Same michelins.


(just got 2 new michelins for the front last week)


Thats over 65000 miles on one set of tires.

Michelin's


My stock goodyear wranglers lasted untill 29000. I then put on michelins and the truck has 96000 miles on it now. Same michelins.


(just got 2 new michelins for the front last week)


Thats over 65000 miles on one set of tires.











Just curious..ltx or xps

Diesel Dually


What size tires did you put on and are they on the stock rims?








Sorry,


I did not have the stones to try the 235's. I am about 30 milse south of Denver, and I am running 215/85R16E Bridgestone AT Revo's on the stock wheels.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Howdy,


Have not forgotten. The Revo's will be in on Monday(he only had 4). P235/85/16E. Will snap off photos with current GoodYear A/T's. I would like to state, I am quite satisfied with Goodyear rubber. I have 97K miles and only used 2 sets(plus 1 extra when I ripped it bad with a piece of shrapnel). I rotated them about every 10Kish miles and had my frontend aligned 3 times. I added the Alcoa wheels around 85K miles so the rotation program is all but history going forward. Thought I might as well go with the P235's at this point. We will see what shakes out. I suspect that when it is all said and done, they will probably have 1/4 inch gap between the rears. That is just fine. The concern should be them rubbing for long durations of time. The 10 ply tire will have a stout sidewall. I will set the tire pressure at 75PSI. I have always ran my tires at the pressure. Hope to have pics up on site soon.

I've been following this thread, as I just added an '04 3500 LLY to the fleet. Considering doing an immediate swap out of factory rubber to 235's. I run 75-80 psi in the other dually's anyway, because with service bodies full of equipment, they tend to be on the heavier side.


Hopefully we'll be good to go...


Ty

What is interesting to me, with stock original dually tires....... is
HOW the 6 tires wear.

Most of my 42,000 miles has been towing a 10,000 pound
toybox trailer (not a fifth wheel)

My front tires have really good tread left (maybe 10,000 miles
left). My rear tires have about 4,000 miles left with the outers
having the most wear.

I probably rotated my tires twice during the 42,000 miles and
the wear that is shown now is probably 25,000 since the last
rotation.

So bottom line for me is that without rotation, my rear tires
appear to wear out considerably more than the front tires. Tire
rotation will be a must to get high mileage off my second set of
tires.

Edited by: 56Nomad

My rears wear better than the fronts...I have 350 lbs of sand back there to 'even things out'.

56nomad...


Tire rotation is a very important maintenance item on a dually. Especially for those of us that regularly tow heavy and often. The drive axle will wear quicker because that is where the power is put to the ground. Weight and friction will wear them down quicker than normal.


I rotate mine faithfully at 10K miles.


Just my 2 cents!


Jeff

Hi Jeff,

The issue of nessesary rotation with the dually is
the reason I decided NOT to go with Alcoa wheels
and stayed with stock. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

nobull1 asked "Just curious..ltx or xps"





Michelin LTX M/S 215 85 R 16 Load range E


I pull trailers around 12000 lbs. Alot of highway miles.

Hi Jeff,

The issue of nessesary rotation with the dually is
the reason I decided NOT to go with Alcoa wheels
and stayed with stock. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif


Gotcha! I think that soon I will be going with a nice pair of S/S covers on my stock wheels. I fight like he77 to keep them nice looking, but the great white north salt in the winter tears them up.

I agree that switching to any aftermarket wheel on a dually is something to really consider. If you are religious and want to rotate, then aftermarket is not an option. Honestly though, keeping the truck properly aligned will really take away alot of the grief. Most do not do this and wear out fronts pretty quick.


On the tire wear discussion, I also noticed I wore rears more when I was towing 11K lbs + routinely. No significant difference from inner to outer. I kept tires regularily at 75 psi. The fronts stayed fairly nice. When I had my front end aligned I added almost 1000 lbs in bed so front would be aligned more how it would be used. Now that I am down to just towing my 4K lb boat and doing various little jobs I am going to aligned with about 400 lbs in bed based on tongue weight of boat. I would have to say replacing only 2 sets of tires to date, it has been what I expected. I was hoping for 40K miles per set and I am just above that. Both times have been Good Years. We will see how the Bridgestone tires work out.

I just got 40K out of my Goodyears...I guess my bad taste in my mouth stems from the bad service I got from the local Goodyear dealer...he hinted he thought I was a liar...then stupid.


I will keep you all posted about the Bridgestones. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

OK the verdict is in........Drum Roll please........


We were unable to conduct boat hook up experiment as the parking lot was packed and would have caused severe congestion. But we went ahead and here is my overall summary on switching to P235/85/16E Bridgestone Dueler A/T's


TECHNICAL DATA: With about 750 lbs in bed and tires at 75 psi there is a full .375 gap. With the P216 tires you had well over .750. The tires do not and will not rub in stock configuration so if you are a daily driver this switch is not a problem. I will hook up boat trailer tomorrow and confirm gap but I suspect it will shrink to .250. I would honestly say that if you have a full size camper or a huge 5th wheel there is a very good chance the tire could rub, especially if tire pressure dropped to 60psi or so. I do not think it would rub to the point that you would blow out the tires as I have yet to hear of anybody having that catastrophic failure. It does raise the truck just over 2 inches as we measured before the swap(please bear in mind my Goodyears were down to the head on a penny)


CURB APPEAL: Well I have to say it looks significantly better with the larger tires. Side view is nice, Rear view looks stout. Finally some rubber on the truck. Even the tech doing the work with me said "WOW what a difference".


ROAD TEST: The Bridgestone tires are very very quiet. The tread design is very aggressive and looks like it will work very well in rain and snow conditions. Alot better than the GoodYears.


I will try and get pictures up tomorrow, the shop did not have optimum lighting so I flashed some and did in standard room light. Will have to filter through best shots. I will take some in the daylight with the new tires as well.


Hope this helps people considering the tire swap. The switch is going to be application specific. Now all else fails the spacer set up from www.wheeladaptor.com (http://www.wheeladaptor.com) is a very nice and clean set up and will give you the gap back. On a fianl note, we mic'd the brakes pads, I am still over 60% at 97K miles...They are the original pads....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


Carry On.........

I have Pics but am unable to upload them as they are to large. I am not a photoshop editor so I will need some help here on resizing. PM if you can help post them for me.


Thanks


Jeff

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and its FREE. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Here are the pics


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DuramaxDually/2004-10-13_104056_Goodyears_rear.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DuramaxDually/2004-10-13_104147_Revo_vs_Gdyr.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DuramaxDually/2004-10-13_104217_Revo_Installed.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DuramaxDually/2004-10-13_104237_New_Revos_1.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DuramaxDually/2004-10-13_104253_New_Revos.JPG


Sorry, left ballast in back.....LOL

DD,


Are those Aloca's the same offset as OEM?

Duramax Dually: Nice! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

Diesel Dually,


Yes, Alcoa's are built exactly to GM specs. They are very adamant in avoiding law suits, which is good and bad.....I was waiting for the longest time for the release of the proposed 19.5" GM bolt pattern wheel but Alcoa bowed out just before releasing them. They snubbed based on Liability. So I purchased the standard 16's.


Michigana Joe...Thanks....... Sure looks better with the larger rubber on it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Took Pictures tonight with 4K Lb boat attached. Gap did not change, still right at .375. This was also with appx 300 lbs of tools in bed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DuramaxDually/2004-10-13_212656_Revo_gap_with_Boat_trailer_attached.JPG

I just got a set of toyo open country a/t tires. They got great reviews, and are load range E. Tread pattern looks nice and they are pretty inexpensive. Happy so far.

well i am in the market for new tires for my dually i have been looking at the bridgestone revo's and the michelin xps tractions also another bridgestone is the m773swpII's it is a steel belted tires and according to bridgestone web site it is good on snow ice and mud mainly designed for delivery trucks but so far i have not decided which one's to get but i did find out that there is not a lot of tires to chose from in the lt 215/85R/16E size and nobody had the size in stockall had to order them also all the tires shops i went to said that the stock tire size for the duellys is 225/75R/16D's and said well if that is the case then why did mine come stock with the 215's then he said lets go look at the sticker on the door and it will tells us what size to put on and low and behold i was right and he was wrong than all he could say was i guess i better change things in my store computer to reflect this Edited by: whiteeye42

Some update information on the New Revo's, I just went a filled up after finally reaching half a tank. I do not let my TFI tank go down to low, Pain in the butt when trying to fill up since gas stations. They limit you to 50 bucks...that's another story


With the correction for larger tires, I actually picked up a nice little bonus. I went from routine 15.5 mpg daily driving to 16.7. I always fill up and top off my truck the same way everytime to be accurate about, or as close as I can be, when checking MPG.


I am currently limiting my long trips due to my truck is slated for new injectors and I am not sure how long they will last. I will have to wait on the highway trip mpg.