Hey all. Just rotated the tires on mine and the wife's POS. Put anti sieze on the studs for the lug nuts. Never thought much of it.
Talked to my dad's neighbor (Mr. Know It All) and said that was a no no.
I've worked in industrial maintenance and never have had a problem with sieze, except when it hasn't been used.
Is it likely gonna cause a problem with the lug nuts backing off? I've torqued my trucks to 140 psi. Put the wifes to 95 psi (a guess for the size)

Any thoughts?

Heck, if they don't fly off with just moly grease...... I don't think you'll have a problem.

I ALWAYS use anti seize. I also put it around the land on the hub where the wheel rests. Never had a problem with backing off. Also put it on the back side of rotors, basically any metal to metal contact area.


I've had all too many dealings with air hammers, heat, prying, beating, and cursing not to use it. If I had the time, I'd probably remove the discs and do their backsides on this truck so they'll come off come time to do brakes.


Ty

Anti sieze is for just that. The thread design on bolts is designed to hold them on, not to back off. and extra lube or in this case anti sieze will not make them come off on their own, unless they are not torqed to specs.


We use on all of the flange bolts that hold high pressures and have vibration on some of these pipes and have not had any bolts come loose due to anti seize.

I've used never seize since I first had the truck, 35K and no problems. The wheels like to stick to the hub without it.

Anti seize is for just that. The thread design on bolts is designed to hold them on, not to back off. and extra lube or in this case anti seize will not make them come off on their own, unless they are not torqued to specs.


We use on all of the flange bolts that hold high pressures and have vibration on some of these pipes and have not had any bolts come loose due to anti seize.





Ditto on what akdiesel said. If you want to fight with your lug nuts, (or any fasteners for that matter), leave the anti-seize off.


There are very few fastener applications where torque specs must be dry. At my place of business, we only have one set of fastener that require dry torque. That's on the flywheel bolts of an EMD 1645 Emergency Gen set and a nuc plant has A LOT of bolted connections.


akdiesel, you a pipefighter? or refinery maintenance.

Wheel studs, metal contact surfaces etc. 35 years with good results and no problems. If you put antiseize on both sides of any fiber gasket, you'll never use a gasket scraper again.

Well.... the neighbor said about being a lubricant, and it is the metal to metal contact that makes the difference. Part of the bite of the nut is friction. I thought about it (knowing I used it for years and will continue to do so in work applications) But it created some doubt because its on my wife's vehicle. Not willing to take a chance.


Thanx for the input guys. Its appreciated.

Anti seize is for just that. The thread design on bolts is designed to hold them on, not to back off. and extra lube or in this case anti seize will not make them come off on their own, unless they are not torqued to specs.


We use on all of the flange bolts that hold high pressures and have vibration on some of these pipes and have not had any bolts come loose due to anti seize.





Ditto on what akdiesel said. If you want to fight with your lug nuts, (or any fasteners for that matter), leave the anti-seize off.


There are very few fastener applications where torque specs must be dry. At my place of business, we only have one set of fastener that require dry torque. That's on the flywheel bolts of an EMD 1645 Emergency Gen set and a nuc plant has A LOT of bolted connections.


akdiesel, you a pipefighter? or refinery maintenance.





Oil field operator, pipefitter, and a tubing bender.

Use of anti-seize is no problem. Your neighbor is wrong about "friction" in the fastener - it's stretch of the bolt that gives the fastener tension. That being said, however, if you use anti-seize you should reduce the torque. I use a light film of anti-sieze on the wheel to hub contact area and on the lugs and torque mine to 120 ft-lbs.

Idle, you beat me to it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I agree completely!!. With lubricant it will take much less torque to impart the same bolt stress. I have used never-sieze on ever lug nut since I can remember, great stuff.


And that comment about gaskets is also true. On pipe flanges that we know will come apart, we put never-sieze on all our paper (Garlock) style gaskets and no more scaping.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Where would we be without it?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I have never used anti sieze but I have used dab of gear oil or grease for over 30 years now on everything from farm machinery to vehicals and never had one loosen up or stick. I am not sure if anti sieze will provide good corrosion protection as well as seize protection like a good grease ot gear oil will.

Thanx all.

We have used anti-sieze on the lug nuts of the 91 K2500 since 1991 and it is well, 13 yrs old, haven't lost a wheel in 13 years :-)

Ive been using it on my GMC Safari van lug nuts for over 5 years, and Iv buried the needle on it quite a few times. and I'm still here typing, but seriously, I do my own tire rotations and there just as tight as the day I put them on.

I use latex silicon caulking compound. It doesn't harden and is easy to get off. With out it I can't keep the wheel caps on. This practice was recommended by my dealer and works fine for me. before the caulking compouind I lost four wheel caps. The dealer paid for three of them and discoun t tire bought the fouth one.

I have never used latex silicon cauk before. I would think that it would some what gawl the threads when you take them off.


Why would the dealer only pay for three and not all four.

Every mfg guide I've ever seen says not to oil or grease lug nuts, especially the cone or seating surface, although I have always put a little on to prevent rusting and seizing. I'm too lazy to go into the garage right now- anybody know what GM says? DMaxAllitech?


Was verifying this on the web and discovered this amusing (but not to the owners, I'm sure) tidbit: http://www.psc.ca/safety_info/safety_alerts/2003/sa03_30.htm