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Doodle
02-27-2007, 12:16 AM
This may sound stupid but what exactally does the term 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, etc. mean or did it come from. Is it the payload they can hold in the bed or rating of the axle or what. Just curious.

santelikk
02-27-2007, 09:51 AM
Outdated terms to say the least.

When truck first rated they were rated on the weight the could have loaded on to them

a half ton could hold 1000#'s
a 3/4 ton could hold 1500#'s
a 1 ton could hold 2000#'s

At least that is what I was told long time ago.
Funny now a "1/2 ton" has a 1800# or so payload.

Colorado Kid
02-27-2007, 12:29 PM
I believe that originally it was a rough rating of what the truck could carry in the bed, with a full cab. Accordingly the capacity of my '70 C-10 was about 1500# (500# for the seats and 1,000# in the bed. Emissions regs in the late 70s exemted trucks with GVWR over about 6,000#, so the heavy halfs became common. GVWR on the '70 was, I'm not kidding, 5,000#. This put upward pressure on the 3/4 tons, which previously had grossed about 6400-6700# (those are the ratings from my '74 C2500 and 78 C-20). The next round of GVWR inflation came when the regs capped at 8500#. I think Dodge was first with the 8600GVWR Cummins Ram, but Ford and GM both soon had heavy duty 3/4 tons rated at 8600 GVWR. Now it has become a marketing competition to show the heaviest payload in each class, so we end up with the absurdly named 1500HD with 8600# GVWR.

Generally (and there are exceptions that I won't mention, so don't shoot me!)
at present these guidelines apply:
"1/2 Ton" means GVWR less than 7,000#, 5 or 6 lug wheels, semifloater rear axle. The "lightest" available full sized trucks.

"3/4 Ton" means GVWR between 8600# and 9200#. 8 lug wheels. Full-floater rear axle. Most components are interchangable between 3/4 ton and 1-ton trucks.

1-ton means Dual Rear Wheels and GVWR over 10,000# (SRW 1-ton has single rear wheels and GVWR right around 10,000#)

As of this year Ford is marketing F-450 Pickups, I don't know if this will be called "Class 4" (I hope) or "Ton & 1/4" if brands D, and G decide to compete.

personally I don't find myself using the "ton rating" much anymore. I just call it a "1500" Interestingly my '96 will carry right about 1500# in the bed with a cab full of people and stay within it's rated weight. My 2002 2500HD would carry 2500# in the bed with 750# in the cab . . . I may be on to something (or I may just be on something!)

ockgator
02-27-2007, 08:15 PM
My 82 C10 has a GVWR or 4900. I've pulled a 35' GN trailer with it... the 250 6 cyl didn't like it, still going, son drives it. 242000 when I replaced engine, still ran fine but was pushing the integrated head, still had original clutch in it,with hardly any wear on it.

FORD-FAN7.3
02-28-2007, 01:46 AM
yeah years ago it was based on the box's payload capacity. its just a number big deal. just like towing capacity nowadays, what the dealer says is the limit and what i say are the limit are two very different numbers. to me the limit is a trailer i need to be in 4 low for to get rolling from a dead stop in a dually which is a buddies dads bale trailer that holds 30 hay bales all about a thousand pounds apiece. and my truck turns over 500 ponies at the wheels. like i said its just a guideline really.