When I got my new truck, the salesman talked me into getting the "Simoniz" system done. Where it is like Ziebart'ing i guess. But supposedly better because they don't drill holes since the body of the truck is built more heavy duty these days or something. (Not sure if all that is right) So they put a protective coating on the outside which is suppose to last like 5 years. And they spray the inside cloth for stain protection.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Question.gifWell my question is... do I have to wax it? The sales guy said i should not have to for awhile, maybe 1 time a year, just wash or spray down and it should shine just like waxing... I dunno, it seems like it might need waxed, for super shine. Anyone else got any details on this?


Thankshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I have the Marine Blue Metallic like you. I wash my truck by hand at least once a week and have not had it waxed since I bought it in March. The water still beads up on it like its just been waxed.

I think all that stuff is BULL- just another way for them to get more of my money when buying the truck. I've been told by a GM paint man that the clearcoat paint jobs they are using these days can go without wax altogether....


I think I'll still wax mine.


Ed

I agree- I think it's an overpriced wax job. Put a nice coat of wax on like Rejex http://www.corrosionx.com or Meguiar's two times a year and you should be fine. Wash it- keep off the dirt, salt, grime, bugs and tree sap. The interiors are pretty durable and should clean up with some good cleaner.


How much do they want to charge you? $500?

I just did my truck with Meguiars 3 step and it looks and feels much better

Yup it was $500... yeah i think just another way to get more money. Though it seems to be easier to wash off dirt & all.


Thanks

we had it done to our truck inside and out and to the cap. already saved the inside. the little one spilled her drink, it beaded right up and we were able to get it off the seat before it penetrated the fabric.


from my understanding it is a chemical bonding of the treatment to the paint. not like wax as it cannot be washed off. where we live at we do have acid rain, acid bird poop (especially when they are eating blue and black berries). anything I can do to help protect my investment helps. we only have had it done to our truck, it is the most expensive vehicle and has to last us the longest. the amount we paid was miniscule considering the price of these trucks.

LOL- funny thing is if you read most containers about wax- they all say how they “bond with the paint.” Who knows.


It all depends on how you take care of your truck I guess, or if you have small children. maybe. Or if you allow people to eat and drink in your truck </v:stroke></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:ulas></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shape></v:imagedata></v:shape>If you don't want to spend a few hours every year waxing it and keeping it clean- then maybe it's worth it. I always have a few extra towels in my truck for spills or whatever. Then I can clean anything up right away. The paint on these new vehicles are pretty resilient as long as you take care of them. They try to sell the same thing out here because of the 300 days of sun. I personally think a clean nice wax every few times a year will work better. I thought the interiors were factory stock Scotchguard stain-resistant? Maybe I am wrong with that.


I would guess the dealer markup on it is about 1/2. So if you still feel inclined it might just want to try a find a local detailer to do it cheaper. I have never found anything to be real cheap at the dealer.


Another option. You could have your truck professionally detailed for 100 bucks a year for the next 5 years. Same thing IMHO

I think all that stuff is BULL- just another way for them to get more of my money when buying the truck. I've been told by a GM paint man that the clearcoat paint jobs they are using these days can go without wax altogether....


I think I'll still wax mine.


Ed





Regarding the Simonize, my brother-in-law had it done to his new car a few years back. After a few years in MN, it looked like any other car the same age. Actually worse because he never waxed it, assuming the Simonize was the only thing he needed.


Regardless of what anyone says about clearcoat, you should wax it at least once per year if you plan on keeping it long term. After 10 years, you WILL see the difference. The sun &amp; elements eventually break down clear coat as well! If you look in your manual, it also recommneds an occassional wax job...

I hate to tell you this Sunny, but the only thing that got waxed was your wallet, those bull 5hit extras salesmen sell to unsuspecting people, like carpet protection and never need wax jobs, are nothing but money making gimmicks that net the salesman more money then he most likely made on the sales commission, because the carpet protection can be bought at Wal-Mart rite next to the carpet cleaner, its called 3-M Carpet protector, 16oz can $3.00, dealers price $300.00. The never need wax job on a vehicle that comes from the factory with clear coat paint that these dealers like to charge customer $200.00 for, is most likely nothing more then Turtle Wax that they buy at BIG LOTS. Edited by: BuckeyeQuicky

Buy a Zaino (http://www.zainostore.com/) Kit !http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Edited by: Ace_of_Chaos

I read several yrs ago in Consumer Reports that the fabric in new vehicles is treated for stain resistence and the clear coat finishes should be waxed about one time per yr. The article claimed the dealer add-on was no more than a deal to up the net profit on the sale. A owner can wax a truck in a couple of hours at a cost of 2 or 3 bucks and save a bundle over the dealer "deals".

BQ,


I agree with you but didn't want to say it. Sunny, you got took.


Dennis

But Hey- we all get taken one time or another http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif</v:stroke></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:ulas></v:path><o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"></o:lock></v:shape>. I am a member of that club- LOL. 500 isn't too bad though. I don't want to add up all my losses over my life- from being taken-I may start to cry- LOL

But Hey- we all get taken one time or another http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif</v:stroke></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:ulas></v:path><o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"></o:lock></v:shape>. I am a member of that club- LOL. 500 isn't too bad though. I don't want to add up all my losses over my life- from being taken-I may start to cry- LOL

Your not the Lone Ranger, Ive been screwed so many times by car salesmen I was beginning to think it was a normal part of doing business with them, I wont even tell anyone on here about the last royal ramming I got from a Ford dealer in Statesville, NC, as a matter of fact because of this one dealer and the way Ford handled it, Ill never have anything to do with any Ford product, even though I'm eligible to buy anything Ford makes below invoice price, but I look at it this way, he actually did me a favor, its because of him I didn't end up buying a Power Joke Diesel 6.0 and end up having a nervous break downhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

now before everyone continues running off at the mouth, research should have been done:


http://www.simonizusa.com/demoend.asp


if the product truly is "simoniz" it is back by that very same named company. sure the dealer made some profit. they are in the business to make profit.


however it is a legimate product, backed by warranties from a reputable, outstanding company, not the dealership that applied it.

DRCook is wise.

The paint sealant can be a good thing; same goes for the interior treatment. I've had vehicles done with paint sealants dating back to the 80's and they had a noticeable improvement in appearance and "washability" than other cars for maybe three years---the water would bead up like the car had been waxed.

I think the sealant has the potential of making your truck look better, longer and if you maintain it--it will make washing and drying it less tedious.

A sealant is not a cure all for those who are unwilling/unable to spend a few extra hours giving their vehicle some TLC once every few months, however.

I would stay away from any "paint man" who says that clear-coats eliminate the need for wax. He is completely wrong on many accounts.

Sunny, personally I would not wax for a month or so. I remember one of the sealants from the 80's carrying the same advice, but when time is up...wax on.

DRCook,


Here is my take on what you will find on the simoniz website, or any website promoting a product that they (the website owners) are in fact selling. Obviously they are not going to tell you that their product is inferior or that it will not perform as they promise.


I do not know if you are familiar with the famous air filter study, which can be found here:


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10642&amp;KW=air+filter+study


None of the companies that promote any of those air filters will tell you that their product is in any way inferior to products that scored, IN FACT, much better when tested by a third party. Some claim that they are THE best air filter in the world, period.


I am a bit of a skeptic on most things until I can gather a little of my own data from other's experiences, but I am nearly always a skeptic about products that are promoted by their own manufacturer. Even if a manufacturer or promoter uses 'third-party' data in their website, I tend to doubt what they say. Take for example the Motor Trend test recently conducted on the big three diesel trucks. They claimed, as a single example, that the Ford Powerstroke engine was the quietest of the three. Now if you've ever passed a Powerstroke engine on the road and heard it over your own engine even though your own windows are shut, you know that the Powerstroke engine is NOT as quiet as the Duramax engine. Next time you are at a newsstand, open up a Motor Trend magazine and count the number of Ford advertisements, and count the number of General Motors advertisements. Do you think the third-party data is accurate? Not likely.


This isn't meant to say that Simonizing your vehicle will not protect it, but I do not believe that it is necessary or provides any better protection than a good wash and wax. I do believe that Simoniz stands by their product, and are a reputable company. I will probably shift to Zaino the next time I wax my vehicle, not because of anything Zaino says on their website, but because of the MANY testimonials of people on this forum and because of personal friends that have used it and swear by it.


Thanks for letting me bore you to tears with my opinions,
Dennis

now before everyone continues running off at the mouth, research should have been done





I don't think anyone really said it was a bad product- we just felt you could do better or just a well for less money, a little elbow grease and a few hours a year.


One thing I will say- my brother waxes his 99 Ford truck that has 275,000 miles on it with some of the above mentioned waxes (Rejex, Maguire’s, Zymol) His truck looks brand new and is red- which is known for fading (IMHO). People that see it think it's a brand new truck. He waxes it 2 times a year and keeps it clean. Oh yes- his interior- he has two children- he uses regular interior cleaner- vaccumes it on a regular basis- again- looks new.