The most guys know that I work on a DIY-dual CP3 kit. After two designs I tried my luck and began to fabricate my own bracket with 3/8" sheet metal, an angle grinder, a few drill bit and tapers, and a 90 Amp welder. I'm not a fabricater but in the end it doesn't look to bad, what you think?

The electronic is in testing on an engine simulator, the pulleys coming next week, bended bracket also.

What is included in the kit?

Basic DIY-dual CP3 kit: blueprints of components, template for bracket for easy cut out and holes positions, and electronic box

DIY - dual CP3 kit stage 1:
All of above plus high pressure fuel line (rated for 60kPas) unbended plus line components.

DIY - dual CP3 kit stage 2:
Basic & stage 1 plus pulley

DIY - dual CP3 kit stage 3:
Basic & stage 2 plus bracket

Thats it so far and I hope I'm ready soon (estimate 2 -3 weeks, I know that I sad that 3 weeks ago, but it takes longer as we think, sorry)

See the pics from my own fabricated bracket with my two left hands :D and took me just a day.

Looks good, will be nice for guys to have another choice when looking into dual CP3's.
Jon

Looks sweet! :B

Guess pricing will come in the vendors section once you get everything finalized in a couple weeks?


C-ya

Looks good!

Sorry, made a mistake 60kPSI and not 60kPas, thanks maxxis_mudder

If you can do it yourself (like I sad DIY-dual CP3 kit) you will come way done with the price. My kit is like a puzzle, do what you can, take what you need.

Looking forward to it :) ... finally some hardware that I can do over here in Germany without shipping charges... :D

:grd:

Will there be a drawing of how the lines need to be bent?

If there is hopefully it will be on a 1:1 scale ;)

I just stopped by Volkers shop today, and the dual cp3 kit he has in the works is going to be a very nice setup. The stages he offers is going to cover every one from a experienced diy'er, to a desk jocky.

Will there be a drawing of how the lines need to be bent?

If there is hopefully it will be on a 1:1 scale ;)

I'm sure he will have a detailed blueprint, but that stainless high pressure line is not going to be easy to bend.

I made the trip up there today also... Volker is a smart cookie!! I couldn't even come up with some intelligent questions for him. I like the idea that he offers the kit in stages so if you have access to any type of fabrication you can make the stuff yourself.

Sorry, made a mistake 60kPSI and not 60kPas, thanks maxxis_mudder

If you can do it yourself (like I sad DIY-dual CP3 kit) you will come way done with the price. My kit is like a puzzle, do what you can, take what you need.

Looks good Volker....how about a DIY rod kit to go with. :D

Cool deal Volker!

This is a GREAT idea IMO and will benifit alot of people.

1:1 ratio on the pully I assume?

Cool deal Volker!

This is a GREAT idea IMO and will benifit alot of people.

1:1 ratio on the pully I assume?

There will be 1:1 drawings, espacially for the bracket to have a template where all the holes are going. There will be 2 kinds of bracket blueprint, one is for welding (like the pics) and one is for bending which I will post some pics today or tomorrow. The pulley are the outside diameter, serpentine profile and pump interface, the rest is open to you how nice and detailed you would have the pulley.

I'm sure he will have a detailed blueprint, but that stainless high pressure line is not going to be easy to bend.
The SS tubing will be hard to bend but sure possible :D .

I'm looking forward to install the first kit in two weeks with the electronik which is on an engine simulator right now to test the durability of the box.

Hope to update the thread soon

:grd:

I mean the pulley itself will be 1:1 and not over or underdriven?

Cool that your making the drawings to scale so dumb guys like me can just trace things :D

I mean the pulley itself will be 1:1 and not over or underdriven?

Cool that your making the drawings to scale so dumb guys like me can just trace things :D

Yep, 1:1 driven

I mean the pulley itself will be 1:1 and not over or underdriven?

Cool that your making the drawings to scale so dumb guys like me can just trace things :D

This way you don't have to worry about GD&T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD%26T) ;) of which the bracket and pulley drawings will be full of :D!

Yep, 1:1 driven
If I could get my hands on a R90 CP3 and overdrive it by 20% would that work as well? R110 CP3's are just not that common over here !

If I could get my hands on a R90 CP3 and overdrive it by 20% would that work as well? R110 CP3's are just not that common over here !

what are those? dmax pumps are bosch cp3.3 no?

what are those? dmax pumps are bosch cp3.3 no?
Those are from the DROIDS C3Po and R2D2 , they are far far away !

If I could get my hands on a R90 CP3 and overdrive it by 20% would that work as well? R110 CP3's are just not that common over here !

Lennart, you don't need overdrive them, so far I know you don't put 1000HP ++ on it, even with 1:1 the R90 should be ok.

The R90 CP3 is in use in the Mercedes and BMW Diesel vehicles. But Lennart, let me know whether you need a CP3 pump from here there are much cheaper as in Germany.

I promised to put new pics on it from the bended bracket which I received today, I hope I get pulleys this week too and the electronic should flight in soon.

What you guys think?

looks good Volker! keep it up. maybe next time i can get up there

Looks good.......It's nice to see more options showing up, keep up the great work!!!

Pulley pictures coming soon!!! :D

Today was a good day ! Just got a slightly used CP3 R110 off a VW LT van for little $$ :D:D:D:D

I'd be very interested to see what pricing will be; I never understood where $3,000+ went into a dual CP3 setup...

Guys, a new pump from Bosch is over $900, food for thought.

a new cp3 cost $683 by gm, might come some core charge

IIRC Volker it's a $250 core charge from GM to add on top of that.

Yep, thats right. But a lot customer are unsatisfied about the prices for the dual CP3 kit, which is between 3.5k and 4k, so if somebody is handy I will provide him with all necessary informations, blueprints, and where to get the other parts or can get it by MDE.

That looks really nice with the bent bracket... Not that the welded one is bad, but the bends look really smooth.

Yep, thats right. But a lot customer are unsatisfied about the prices for the dual CP3 kit, which is between 3.5k and 4k, so if somebody is handy I will provide him with all necessary informations, blueprints, and where to get the other parts or can get it by MDE.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who thought $3K+ was excessive. I have somewhat of an engineering background and I know how much things cost to develop, but the prices of dual CP3 kits always seemed excessive to me.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who thought $3K+ was excessive. I have somewhat of an engineering background and I know how much things cost to develop, but the prices of dual CP3 kits always seemed excessive to me.

The high price tag on the dual kits is partially due to the second pump price and pulley. When you take away the price for the second pump and that pulley, it is still a very high price to pay. I know how much I have in my setup and it is a very small fraction compared to the kits you can buy.

The high price tag on the dual kits is partially due to the second pump price and pulley. When you take away the price for the second pump and that pulley, it is still a very high price to pay. I know how much I have in my setup and it is a very small fraction compared to the kits you can buy.

Thats right, the price tag on the CP3 and and pulley are the highest, then comes the high pressure lines and fittings. But I'm sure I will get there pretty good.

I updated my website and have some sample blueprints how you would get it ==> www.mde.cc (http://www.mde.cc) ==> products ==> DIY CP3 kit

Im not exactly struck on the idea of letting people bend there own high pressure lines. Bend them wrong , or a litttle too much the could crack and spray atomized 23,000+ psi fuel throughout the engine compartment :eek: I think it should probably be a mandatory part of the kit myself. But I DO really like the idea of a DIY CP3 kit! Cost of existing kits are wayy high.

Im not exactly struck on the idea of letting people bend there own high pressure lines. Bend them wrong , or a litttle too much the could crack and spray atomized 23,000+ psi fuel throughout the engine compartment :eek: I think it should probably be a mandatory part of the kit myself. But I DO really like the idea of a DIY CP3 kit! Cost of existing kits are wayy high.

Thanks, to provide new SS-high pressure lines (60kPSI, 100kPSI burst pressure) are better then rebended existing lines, which is already the case. I saw a lot of guy who rebend them and the risk of cracked lines is pretty high. I will provide a DIY - kit where you can save $$$ and you might have a firend who is a mechanic/fabricater and will help you to bend them. Somewhere you have to make compromises and I'm sure you can do it :D

Could you use hydraulic line if the right fittings are available? Made for high pressure...

Could you use hydraulic line if the right fittings are available? Made for high pressure...

Is there hydraulic line that can withstand pressures THAT high? I know its some tough stuff, but 30,000+ PSI?

You'd also have to have access to a MONSTER crimping machine; I know when I worked for Deere, we had a big 480v hydraulic press to put the fittings on the hydraulic lines. It was a beast to operate.

All tractor parts places around here have those machines, even carquest has one. Not sure on the pressure, I was thinking they were 60000 PSI lines but could be wrong, never really payed attention before. I'll look at some tomorrow, maybe go to the parts store and check out their hose and see.

Nar, Hydraulics on heavy equipment top out at 6000 PSI. , There is no way they would stand anywhaere near the 30K psi required.

Nar, Hydraulics on heavy equipment top out at 6000 PSI. , There is no way they would stand anywhaere near the 30K psi required.

Yep, thats right. Hydraulic equipment goes max to 6kPSI. Lets say you will find a hydraulic hose for that pressure (which is available and cost over $250 per foot), the hose is so heavy and would break the fittings on pump and rail, otherwise you support them, I guess you better of to bend the HP lines which is much easier.

Hmm maybe my mind added a 0 then. Like I said I hadn't looked closely yet.

I'll be buying this kit from MDE

Get the pullyies today, hope the contoller comes this week and go testing :D

BTW: price is still not fixed yet, I will post it as soon as I know, thanks for understanding :o: .

Looks pretty good! I imagine a quick trip to a CNC shop and the pullies could have just about any design put in them.

Looks good Volker.....

Does the oil fill tube or anything else need to be rerouted to make it work? What belt does it use?

Looks good Volker.....

thanks smudge, eveytime welcome in my shop for a beer :D

Does the oil fill tube or anything else need to be rerouted to make it work? What belt does it use?

you too, bobo :beerchug: , so far I know (which I don't know a lot ;) ) should work eveything fine.

Stop by for a beer :beerchug:

Only 1???????

You know, don't worry about the fluid here in WI, just show up and have fun, we have everytime some matrazes free for you :D

Any new info?

Very nice, I like how the pump is clocked to keep the lines from sticking up. Looks great V!

That is fantastic that you took the time to build something like that.

But shouldn't the pulley be included in the kit before the lines would be? That strikes me as being a more labor-intensive (read:expensive to make) part.

Very nice, I like how the pump is clocked to keep the lines from sticking up. Looks great V!

Thanks Eric, I like it too :D

That is fantastic that you took the time to build something like that.

But shouldn't the pulley be included in the kit before the lines would be? That strikes me as being a more labor-intensive (read:expensive to make) part.

I think it's easier to fabricate the pulley before the high pressure lines. The high pressure line comes with ported high pressure fittings for the rail and special strong injector nut's.

But in the end you get both anyway. :D

Any new info?
I'm still looking for a test vehicle, which is close to me to have the control how it works. I get the controller this week (shipped alredy).

If somebody is interested in testing my Dual CP3 is welcome to write me a pm. Please include:

-Location
-Year (LLY / LB7 / LBZ)
-Modifications
-how many miles per week
-which races you attend; pull / drag

terms: maximal 1 hour from Lake Geneva (53147 www.map.yahoo.com (http://www.map.yahoo.com)), minimum 500 miles per week, has a whole day time to mount it on your truck in my shop this or next week (weekend is ok too), has to bring a CP3 ... more info on request

... too bad I don`t qualify :D

Sorry Lennart :D

Have you got the pricing all figured out yet?

I would love to play test dummy, but I suppose I would have to drop some money on a turbo first... probably won't get much testing done with a stock turbo. Anyone have a big ole turbo sitting around?:D

Hey Volker,congrats on the CP3 kit.It looks good,the bracket,the pulley,good job.

Havnt talked in a while,hope everythings good.The pump kit looks great.

Take Care John

Hey Volker,congrats on the CP3 kit.It looks good,the bracket,the pulley,good job.

Havnt talked in a while,hope everythings good.The pump kit looks great.

Take Care John

Thanks John, did you figoured out how to change the NR 8 injector on your Kodiak? :D :D :D

Hope see ya soon again, Take care

Volker

Darn, I meet all the conditions accept being an hour away! I am bumbed!

Bentley

Thanks Eric, I like it too :D



I think it's easier to fabricate the pulley before the high pressure lines. The high pressure line comes with ported high pressure fittings for the rail and special strong injector nut's.

But in the end you get both anyway. :D


I'm still looking for a test vehicle, which is close to me to have the control how it works. I get the controller this week (shipped alredy).

If somebody is interested in testing my Dual CP3 is welcome to write me a pm. Please include:

-Location
-Year (LLY / LB7 / LBZ)
-Modifications
-how many miles per week
-which races you attend; pull / drag

terms: maximal 1 hour from Lake Geneva (53147 www.map.yahoo.com (http://www.map.yahoo.com)), minimum 500 miles per week, has a whole day time to mount it on your truck in my shop this or next week (weekend is ok too), has to bring a CP3 ... more info on request


I already told you....get me a set of MDE rods to go w/ the kit & I'll run!! :D

i already told you....get me a set of mde rods to go w/ the kit & i'll run!! :d

thanks smudge :D

please check out: MDE's BUSINESS POSSITION CHENGES (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142753)

thanks smudge :D

please check out: MDE's BUSINESS POSSITION CHENGES (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142753)


Hey Volker, sorry to hear that things didn't work out. I, for one, would like to thank you for all the time, money and effort you put into developing the aftermarket parts that you did.

Good luck with what ever you decide to do in the future.:D

Looks good!!