Here is a little background so you can see what I've been up against:

When I had a few thousand miles on my truck, I bent a rod from a bad injector. The dealer fixed it under warranty and sent me on my way. I could not get the truck to run properly after the new rod was installed. The truck would begin to miss under load or over 70% throttle. I had the truck into the dealer for reflashes and updates about 5 times. Truck had all stock parts on the motor including the cat. I ended up installing a EGR blocker plate to help with the issues, but it was not 100% fixed. I had to load a predator 40hp tune with the EGR blocked to get it to run right. Fast forward about a year....

EFI was released and I began to do my own tuning last winter. My truck never smoked at idle or missed a beat...as long as it was tuned. In October 06 I noticed as the weather got colder, my truck had a haze of smoke at idle. I bought and installed twin turbos soon after this because I had been waiting for them. Once they showed up, I could not help but put them on(with the help of Billy17, thanks!). The smoke at idle stayed the same, but the cold weather caused some hard starting issues. In early November, I installed my ATS twin CP3 kit. I paid the dealer to do a compression test on the truck and it came back fine before the CP3 install. The weather got very cold and the starting issue was bothering me. I decided to do my own compression test. It looked fine. I had Smudge and BigStriss helping me work on the truck and we were all wondering what could be the issue. I used spare parts off Smudge's LLY to test on my truck. Nothing seemed to fix the issues. Stock tuning was not helping me any since I knew it didn't run right when it left the dealer. I used the 40hp Predator tune and it still wasn't running right. About this time, I got in contact with an injector specialist, Don M. He agreed to test my injectors and make them flow better for me. I installed the injectors hoping that would fix the issue, but it was still the same. Knowing the mods on my truck, its potential, and not being able to drive it for the past 4 months because I was scared it was going to blow up took its toll on my wife, my friends that helped me build this truck, and myself. With some help from my friends, I decided to take it to Merchant Automotive in Holland, MI (thanks for the tow, Nodmax) and have Eric and his team fix it. Eric had Volker from MDE make some changes to the tuning to get rid of the smoke, but that did not tell us if there was an internal issue. I finally decided to have the motor gone through and have some upgrades done to be sure this don't happen in the future.

Today:

Merchant pulled my motor. It should be taken apart sometime in the next couple days. I'll keep you all tuned in as to what he finds.

Planned upgrades for now:

Merchant is installing head studs. He is also installing a set of connecting rods I bought from Huckstorf Diesel. The rods come from TTS. Merchant has a great team and one of the techs (TouchRacing) in his shop worked in a machine shop for several years running all sorts of equipment. Merchant bought the equipment that is needed to do most of the engine build in house. He can now key cam's, cranks, custom fab most any part, and do valve clearances and piston modifications. I am having my pistons decked to lower the compression to 15:1. Merchant is blueprinting my motor to insure all the tolerances from GM are improved upon in this build. I'm having the crank and the cam keyed to improve on that design flaw also. I'm going to be running the thickest gaskets available from GM and the ARP headstuds should keep things nice and tight. I am not doing any upgrades to the heads or cam at this time. The only part of the motor build that is not being done in house is the balancing. This is done at a local machine shop. My goal is 700RWHP in a daily driver that is as dependable as a stock truck. I'm hoping the lower compression does not hurt my fuel economy too much, but I'll report back on that after I put some miles on it.

Check back for updates:

The goal is to have my truck up and running by next Friday, the 23rd of Feb. If the motor tear down don't bring up any surprises, Merchant is confident that the build should be complete by then. My rods were shipped out today. They should be at MA on Monday or Tuesday pending any weather related delays. I'll keep you updated and wish us some luck! Thanks to everyone who has helped me along the way. You are all listed in my signature for a reason! I should have a good running truck we can go play with as soon as this is all taken care of! I might even post some pics of the progress if Eric has time to take some. Stay tuned:cool: !!!

THANK YOU ERIC AND THE MA CREW!!!

Good luck

Good luck!!
Hope to see you in the Badger pulls this year, someone has to give John a run for his title!!
Jon

Good luck!!
Hope to see you in the Badger pulls this year, someone has to give John a run for his title!!
Jon
If I tune your truck, I might beat you!

:confuzeld :driver: The at the track tuning is a little suspicious. Ask Jeremy. :D :D :D

Bob,
If you do as good as job as you did on Tim's truck I am might be able to make into the top 3..
At the very least I want to see some sh** brake this year!! It will be interesting to see the outcome of your tear down.
The injectors from MDE sound like they may be the way to go.. Should be a good year for working out the kinks.
Jon

thats sweet...good luck MA crew and bobo on the new power plant

Sounds good Bob, I can't wait to see what a Twined and built, LLY can really do!:D

Sweet...can't wait to see her run after being built up a little bit...she ran good at the drags last year though

After much throat chaffing ..http://deephousepage.com/smilies/bubble.gif...the build begins...http://deephousepage.com/smilies/banana.gif

sounds awesome bob, Id be really curious to see what the issue turns out to be. Slightly goofed cam gear pin maybe? Timing is ever so slightly off that it messes with the valve overlap and causes smoke? Did you do both a compression and leakdown test? Maybe back when the injector hung it washed down the cyl walls...be curious to see what teh rings/keystone/etc look like. But then I guess you'd have lots of blowby...

hmmm...anyway, its over and done with now, should be sweet when its back up and running.

make sure you wear that t-shirt design I sent you the first time you drive it. Should bring good luck :D

ben

Good luck! Can't wait to see it done, Eric is one of the greatest!

Can't wait to take a ride in a twinned truck:D I'm sure Eric and Blake will have you up and running in no time. Plus it will be nice to see what is wrong with this bad boy. Roger

Good luck with your build. I hope you find the problem to put your mind at ease.

Merchant called an hour or so ago. He found the problem!! I'll post pics as soon as I get some. Anyone that needs 8 short rods or blown head gaskets, I have some for sale!

Will you throw in the blown head gasket if I buy all 8 short rods?

For you, I sure will!

So do you think all this went back to before you were even modded? You never ran nitrous correct? It would be really interested to know at what point your rods shortened.

I guess I should put mine back to stock tuning and see how it runs. It looks like rods are going to be a mandatory upgrade for any 500+hp tuned truck maybe less. :(

When it first started smoking, I'm sure it was showing signs of rods bending. This truck has been my test bed. I knew it was going to be doomed, but how can you learn if you don't try? I never sprayed it. I believe the head gasket might have been an issue for a while. I never seen any coolant issues, so I can't say it for sure. I was pegging the 60 psi boost gauge after the twins install. I also turned the fuel and timing up when I was pissed that the truck wasn't running right...just to try and blow it up. Whatever the reason, I'm glad Smudge, BigStriss, Toman and Farmboystoy said not to run it at all. They saved me from having to buy a new block from the looks of things.

Can't wait to see that thing rip!

Can't wait to see that thing rip!

I think all we will see are the tail lights.:o:

Blake got it tore down today, after we pulled the heads, we did the normal roll over and checked the piston protrusion, we didnt find any, LOL

All 8 rods bent, the front/back 4 barely nicking on the counter weights of the crank, not enough to warrant replacement though, I will clean them up when we rebalance them after decompression.

As bobo said, drivers side head gasket was leaking, found signs of it on the head bolt as well as on the gasket at No 8 cylinder. Bearings all looked good in it, heads appear to be in good shape as well. Nothing has been fully cleaned yet for inspection, that will start tomorrow. Cam pin on the motor was tight as a whip, but you can bet it will be keyed when it goes back together.

Blake got it tore down today, after we pulled the heads, we did the normal roll over and checked the piston protrusion, we didnt find any, LOL

All 8 rods bent, the front/back 4 barely nicking on the counter weights of the crank, not enough to warrant replacement though, I will clean them up when we rebalance them after decompression.

As bobo said, drivers side head gasket was leaking, found signs of it on the head bolt as well as on the gasket at No 8 cylinder. Bearings all looked good in it, heads appear to be in good shape as well. Nothing has been fully cleaned yet for inspection, that will start tomorrow. Cam pin on the motor was tight as a whip, but you can bet it will be keyed when it goes back together.

If all the rods were shortened, how could the compression test show no problems?

we didnt perform a compression test here so I cant directly comment on it. Being that they were all short, my bets is that they were all close togather on numbers. Different gauges/methods of performing the test will alter the numbers a bunch. We always use the same guage/method when we do it for conformity.

That's one tough truck, it saw more "use" in 2 years than most trucks see in an entire life time!!!! :driver: :D


Nice save!

Ironic thing is, he's probably been running at his target CR and did not know it.:D

If all the rods were shortened, how could the compression test show no problems?

The GM spec is really vague, like 320PSI to 250PSI with no cylinder 50PSI down.

Ironic thing is, he's probably been running at his target CR and did not know it.:D

:agreed: That explains why it ran better with his tuning and crappy with the stock tune. Now all we need to do is figure out how he did it so we don’t have to go through the expense of a rebuild. :rolleyes: :duh: :lol:

300 minimum with no more then 15% varience across the board is spec.

300 minimum with no more then 15% varience across the board is spec.

Sounds right. But 15% is 45PSI at least. That's not a realistic variation between cylinders. If you are 45PSI down, something is seriously wrong.

Thanks for sharing your progress with everyone!

Sounds right. But 15% is 45PSI at least. That's not a realistic variation between cylinders. If you are 45PSI down, something is seriously wrong.

I'm at Merchant's shop right now, and we pulled up the GM procedure/specs for Duramax compression test:

Using the vehicle's starter motor, rotate or crank the engine for 6 compression strokes, puffs, for the cylinder being tested. Observe the J 26999 and note the reading as the compression test is being performed. A normal cylinder reading will be indicated if compression builds up quickly and evenly to the specified level. An abnormal reading will be indicated if compression is low on the first compression stroke, starts increasing on the following compression strokes but does not reach the specified level. Record the compression reading for the cylinder just tested. Disconnect the J 26999 from the EN-48694 and remove adapter from the glow plug hole. Repeat steps 8 through 13 for all remaining cylinders. All 8 cylinders must be tested to obtain valid test results. Record the readings.
The minimum compression in any one cylinder is 2069 kPa (300 psi). There should not be more than 345 kPa (50 psi) difference between a suspect cylinder and the average compression of all 8 cylinders.

I'm at Merchant's shop right now, and we pulled up the GM procedure/specs for Duramax compression test:

Using the vehicle's starter motor, rotate or crank the engine for 6 compression strokes, puffs, for the cylinder being tested. Observe the J 26999 and note the reading as the compression test is being performed. A normal cylinder reading will be indicated if compression builds up quickly and evenly to the specified level. An abnormal reading will be indicated if compression is low on the first compression stroke, starts increasing on the following compression strokes but does not reach the specified level. Record the compression reading for the cylinder just tested. Disconnect the J 26999 from the EN-48694 and remove adapter from the glow plug hole. Repeat steps 8 through 13 for all remaining cylinders. All 8 cylinders must be tested to obtain valid test results. Record the readings.
The minimum compression in any one cylinder is 2069 kPa (300 psi). There should not be more than 345 kPa (50 psi) difference between a suspect cylinder and the average compression of all 8 cylinders.

That is the same spec I read and my dealer confirmed this too. Thanks for the info.:cool: BTW, I did my test at 3 strokes and got around 320psi on all cylinders. The dealer did 6 and got a little higher reading....360ish IIRC. Got any pics of the rods yet?

Well, anything more than 6 strokes and you'd be accused of having too much fun....:lol:

Why not do the heads and the cam since it is apart?

$$$$$

Ideally you want to see 400 or more for a diesel compression test and a minimum of 350. 300 is not enough in my opinion. Under 350 you are having problems. Maybe GM thinks that these common rail engines can tolerate 300-350 because of the injection systems? Maybe they just call it acceptable. :confuzeld

what sort of compression does a brand new out of the box dmax have?

Ideally you want to see 400 or more for a diesel compression test and a minimum of 350. 300 is not enough in my opinion. Under 350 you are having problems. Maybe GM thinks that these common rail engines can tolerate 300-350 because of the injection systems? Maybe they just call it acceptable. :confuzeld

I have to agree, but variance in gauges make that tough. I've never seen a dmax hit 400 lbs, unless it had liquid in the cylinder from leaking head gasket/injector.

330-360 is all we ever really see.

WOW , all 8 and a blown gasket ! Good luck and you are in good hands !

Should be interesting...

I have some rods you can have,thay my be bent :eek:

When aftermarket rods are used, what is everyone doing as far as rod bearings go? Are you reusing the old ones if in good shape, or alway using new bearings?

I have some rods you can have,thay my be bent :eek:

Those rods in working cylinders when you pulled them (assuming they are the ones in your avatar)?

When aftermarket rods are used, what is everyone doing as far as rod bearings go? Are you reusing the old ones if in good shape, or alway using new bearings?

They are cheap enough to throw away IMO.

Man be too busy to check the board, very cool bob.

to do what bobo is doing to his engine Eric? I want to accomplish the same thing (700 daily driver) But after tons of reading and recent rod failures. I want to do it right. Just curious as to the cost for a good built motor including your labor. Thanks

those rods in working cylinders when you pulled them (assuming they are the ones in your avatar)?
yes tell cam pin let go,truck went 11.9 with the bent rods

When mine needs built I will haul it to MA for sure.

Update:

MA had the pistons cut and the motor is out at the machine shop getting balanced. I'm getting all new bearings and new rings along with the head gaskets and head studs. I might get to pick the truck up next weekend if all goes well, but I'm willing to wait so nothing is rushed. I have to give Eric credit, he and his staff have tried to slow me down because thy want it done right. I was pressing to have it done this weekend but they pretty much told me to take it a day at a time. It is better safe than sorry and they have done a great job of getting things done in a timely fashion and they are doing it with care. Thanks to the MA crew!!!

How much did they cut pistons and what is compression now?

The compression is 15.17:1 now. Merchant and the guy that cut the pistons did it differently than just decking the top. I believe they did something an engineer from GM recommended. They are pretty much a one off design that I told Eric I'd try.

The compression is 15.17:1 now. Merchant and the guy that cut the pistons did it differently than just decking the top. I believe they did something an engineer from GM recommended. They are pretty much a one off design that I told Eric I'd try.

Bob always late finding these threads, sorry I'm so late fiinding this one. Sounds like you are on the road to great recovery. I have to smile when you and others say 700 hp daily driver and we all say cool. :D A year ago we would have said you were nuts. :eek: It like when diesel goes down to under $2.50 a gal we all go crazy, (at least here in the west). Can hardly wait to see it run. Subman

I was late finding this thread also. Eric is finishing up my motor now and I can't wait to plug it in. Good luck with your new bullet and thanks for sharing all the info.

I'm going to pick it up on Saturday. Thanks for the well wishes!

I'm going to pick it up on Saturday. Thanks for the well wishes!

Heh heh heh....do I get to go for a test ride? :) See ya Saturday.

I'll be trying like hell to have this ready for a Sat pickup.

I'll be trying like hell to have this ready for a Sat pickup.

Well, get off the computer and get back to work....;)

I mean it ain't even midnight yet.....:D

I am glad to hear it Bob. With all the engines being built it appears that the rod supply has dried up. That means that there will be a lot of great running Duramax trucks this summer. You have to stop in and give me a ride in that thing!

I wonder how many motor got rods this winter? I betting at least 100, if you figure on the amount of manufacturers and minimum production runs.

I wonder how many motor got rods this winter? I betting at least 100, if you figure on the amount of manufacturers and minimum production runs.

Steven not to jack this thread but how is your race truck coming and do you have any pictures yet? Subman

I decided to leave the truck with MA for a shake down next week. That should save me some hassle in case there are any issues that need to be worked out. Just one more week without a Dmax in the driveway. The wait is killing me!

I decided to leave the truck with MA for a shake down next week. That should save me some hassle in case there are any issues that need to be worked out. Just one more week without a Dmax in the driveway. The wait is killing me!

Probably a good move Bob, no use in rushing it. Hoofing it myself for a couple of days, truck in the shop getting the dents taken out that I got when I ran over that fur tree.:D

Steven not to jack this thread but how is your race truck coming and do you have any pictures yet? Subman

Unfournatlly I am relocating to another town and have to build a house so my race truck project go put on the back burnner, I am still gathering up part and do what I can a time allows though.

have to build a house so my race truck project go put on the back burnner.

:o: I know the feeling! We will just be all the wiser after we see how things shake out this summer.:cool: :grd:

Update:

MA had the pistons cut and the motor is out at the machine shop getting balanced. I'm getting all new bearings and new rings along with the head gaskets and head studs. I might get to pick the truck up next weekend if all goes well, but I'm willing to wait so nothing is rushed. I have to give Eric credit, he and his staff have tried to slow me down because thy want it done right. I was pressing to have it done this weekend but they pretty much told me to take it a day at a time. It is better safe than sorry and they have done a great job of getting things done in a timely fashion and they are doing it with care. Thanks to the MA crew!!!

I decided to leave the truck with MA for a shake down next week. That should save me some hassle in case there are any issues that need to be worked out. Just one more week without a Dmax in the driveway. The wait is killing me!

Is that thing done yet or what?

Is that thing done yet or what?

No! Waiting on the machine shop for quite a while now.:mad:

What part of machineing are you waiting on?

No! Waiting on the machine shop for quite a while now.:mad:

I think I would find a new machine shop!:cool:

Is that thing done yet or what?

He's having a hot tub installed.:naughty:

I think I would find a new machine shop!:cool:

If you met the guy, you'd rethink that.

Bob, I dont know what the hold up is. Have you been in contact with Eric?

If you met the guy, you'd rethink that.

Bob, I dont know what the hold up is. Have you been in contact with Eric?

Wow that guy must be good if it takes him 3 weeks to balance a motor and hone the block.

Like I said..I dont know the hold up...but the machinist is a very smart person, and usually works on high-end engines. I've met him and we talked at length about the Dmax. He is one of the guys invovled with that Dmax boat motor that Eric posted about.

Would you rather have it thrown together or done right?

Like I said..I dont know the hold up...but the machinist is a very smart person, and usually works on high-end engines. I've met him and we talked at length about the Dmax. He is one of the guys invovled with that Dmax boat motor that Eric posted about.

Would you rather have it thrown together or done right?

It is being done right. Even though it seems to be taking a long time, I'm willing to wait and have it done properly. The plan is still to have Merchant put it together once the machine shop finishes up. Merchant will keep my truck for a little while to make sure there are no bugs, then I'll go get it. Since the truck has been down for so long, waiting for it to be done right is the correct thing to do. I'm not saying I was not disappointed to hear the machine shop is holding things up, but that is all part of having a motor built. The last thing I want to do it rush anyone into a mistake that could kill this motor prematurely. I want to blow it up on my own terms...or when my brother has it.:D

I have to tell my boss this at least once a month= [SIZE=3]You want it bad your going to get it bad, the worse you want it the worse your going to get it.

He's having a hot tub installed.:naughty:

Or a built in puke bag........right Eric :D

Or a built in puke bag........right Eric :D

Who needs a barf bag when you got a whole parking lot in IL to defile?:D

Eric I finally got a video of you last weekend uploaded...sorry to hijack but this is worth it..


http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1098688637&fr=slv1-ccle

Eric I finally got a video of you last weekend uploaded...sorry to hijack but this is worth it..


http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1098688637&fr=slv1-ccle

The first time was cool. The second time, you missed the cup.....Kyle's mom was pissed that you wrecked her carpet.

At least I got to find out what Miller Lite tastes like!:D

Or a built in puke bag........right Eric :D


which Eric are we talking about???:D

which Eric are we talking about???:D


Nodmax....The one you didn't marry....:D

Nodmax....The one you didn't marry....:D


ok, just wondering:HiHi: my eric had a night a few weeks ago

Get this one back on topic.;)

How about this for back on topic? I talked to Eric today while we were on a road trip and he said that Bob's machine work was all done and he had the engine parts at the shop. Its getting closer....

How about this for back on topic? I talked to Eric today while we were on a road trip and he said that Bob's machine work was all done and he had the engine parts at the shop. Its getting closer....

I can almost hear the whining from Illinois...from the twins that is...:D Good news can't wait to drive that beast.

Parts are back from the machine shop! Build should get somewhere this week.

Truck is back on the road. Jen and Blake from MA put 150 miles on it so far. Everything looks good. It is getting an oil/filter change now, then Merchant is going to do some towing with it. By the time I get up there to pick it up, it should have enough miles on it to tune it up and give her hell!

I'll let ya know how it goes!

Don't be shy with her test t he capabilities of the build !

Right, because these built motors come with a warranty. :rolleyes:


BOB, still coming down next weekend? 31st

Great news Bobo. Can't wait to read about the results. :driver:

I'll let ya know how it goes! Damn right! :D

Sounds good Bob, good luck and keep us up to date.

Truck is up and running....well some of the time!

I put on a different small charger after I brought it home from MA with the help of Smudge(thanks). The truck sat until the charger install. After that, I took it out for a joy ride and brought it home. It was home for about 6 hours and I busted the input shaft. Truck has been down for that. I have a billet one to put in(thanks Mike L.) and the trans is tore apart now for some R&R. I'm hoping to have it back on the road next weekend if all goes well. There is a nail in my rear tire too....just my luck. Anyway, I'll keep you guys up to date...off to work I go! To date....I'm pretty sure I have less than 500 miles on it and it has been to my house one time.:mad: My wife currently hates me and the truck!

Damn, that much more power now?

:mad: My wife currently hates me and the truck! Don't worry bob we still likeya . dave

I know the feeling Bobo ! Mine hates my truck and its whole aura ! To her its a $$$$ pit !

it will run some day!

Truck is up and running....well some of the time!

I put on a different small charger after I brought it home from MA with the help of Smudge(thanks). The truck sat until the charger install. After that, I took it out for a joy ride and brought it home. It was home for about 6 hours and I busted the input shaft. Truck has been down for that. I have a billet one to put in(thanks Mike L.) and the trans is tore apart now for some R&R. I'm hoping to have it back on the road next weekend if all goes well. There is a nail in my rear tire too....just my luck. Anyway, I'll keep you guys up to date...off to work I go! To date....I'm pretty sure I have less than 500 miles on it and it has been to my house one time.:mad: My wife currently hates me and the truck!

Are you installing a billet output shaft also?

Truck is up and running....well some of the time!

I put on a different small charger after I brought it home from MA with the help of Smudge(thanks). The truck sat until the charger install. After that, I took it out for a joy ride and brought it home. It was home for about 6 hours and I busted the input shaft. Truck has been down for that. I have a billet one to put in(thanks Mike L.) and the trans is tore apart now for some R&R. I'm hoping to have it back on the road next weekend if all goes well. There is a nail in my rear tire too....just my luck. Anyway, I'll keep you guys up to date...off to work I go! To date....I'm pretty sure I have less than 500 miles on it and it has been to my house one time.:mad: My wife currently hates me and the truck!

Here I figured you were just out enjoying it and too busy to post. Sorry to hear about the down time. I'm sure a bulldozer won't be able to wipe the smile off your face when it is up and running.

Whats a ballpark estimate of the price of the install on some rods?

Truck is up and running....well some of the time!

I put on a different small charger after I brought it home from MA with the help of Smudge(thanks). The truck sat until the charger install. After that, I took it out for a joy ride and brought it home. It was home for about 6 hours and I busted the input shaft. Truck has been down for that. I have a billet one to put in(thanks Mike L.) and the trans is tore apart now for some R&R. I'm hoping to have it back on the road next weekend if all goes well. There is a nail in my rear tire too....just my luck. Anyway, I'll keep you guys up to date...off to work I go! To date....I'm pretty sure I have less than 500 miles on it and it has been to my house one time.:mad: My wife currently hates me and the truck!


Input shaft. Sends a shudder down my spine when i hear that. Any pump/TC/FP damage or did you get lucky with a clean break?

Shaft broke clean in the converter. The piece fell out of the converter. I have some clutch material to clean up and new clutches coming as I ran into some problems with those too. Mike L, Moss, and WorkinBob are all helping me out, so I could have it up and running by Sunday if all goes well. I did not get the output shaft this time around. I don't have the money to do it right now.

So after breaking that you're going to test the new one with a massive burnout right? ;)

So after breaking that you're going to test the new one with a massive burnout right? ;)

After I get the nail out of the back tire!:mad:

if its not one thing its another!(nail in tire) not to mention the raining starters:confuzeld :duh:

Raining starters???? Alright who's melon did the starter fall on? :smashfrea

well no ones yet

bobo, how's the truck running? I haven't seen you post any track times yet....

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I know, I know inside jokes are stupid to post on the Internet.... You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

What the crap?

nice

Ok Riddler, I'll bite

His new motor broke and now his wife has pinched his wind pipe off!!!

Hope not

Ummm, wife took a wench to his bolt and nuts...which got his engine reving...creating a ton of boost and back pressure...and he blew his head.

what the hell man???? I stupid at riddles. What's goin on?

he's wrenching, too much boost? and he smacked himself in the head cuz he poodled up?????????????????????????????????????????

blew a turbo?

OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh shooter I get your riddle.:mad:

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I know, I know inside jokes are stupid to post on the Internet.... You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

blew a turbo?


That is a big NO! :D

Someone forgot to install the converter bolts?

Maybe forgot to tighten something in or around the turbos?

what ever it is , its not making his marige any easier ! That I can attest to . Even if it was just a lug nut that fell off , the other 1/2 is prolly done with that truck and its antics. If she is anything like mine she prolly thinks its the DEVIL !

at least bobo has a good mechanic....

Well, I guess those without sin should stock up on rocks.

My list screwups certainly means I'll have to import rocks from the eastern hemisphere.

at least bobo has a good mechanic....
Was kinda wondering why you bumped this, now we know.

Do you need some free part???????;)

Let's not start into that kind of stuff.

Pat if you need rocks you can wander around our fields for a few days and fill all your trucks up. Free to good home, many many rocks. Or bad, indifferent, whatever, just take them. ;)

Not me, I'm in no position to throw stones. ;)

Aw man, won't someone come pick all these damn rocks? We have lots....


Man this thread has gone off topic.


Back on:

So Bob you getcha some new hard shaft and get that nail outa yer tire?

Let's not start into that kind of stuff.

Pat if you need rocks you can wander around our fields for a few days and fill all your trucks up. Free to good home, many many rocks. Or bad, indifferent, whatever, just take them. ;)

How about pitchforks and torches? ):h

Easy on the stones...just giving E a little ribbing.

How about pitchforks and torches? ):h

Rabble rabble rabble? :D

The shaft went in twice. The first time I forgot to put the sealing rings on it. I got lucky because Moss and BigStriss R&Red the trans for me and fixed the seal rings since I was to busy to do it. I've had the truck back for about a week and no problems now. I do have a chirp of the tires on the 3-4 shift that concerns me. I'm going to tune my TCM to get rid of it. If that don't work, the trans is coming back out and the transgo is coming out.

I've had a lot going on the past couple weeks. We got new tile and carpet through our house in prep for the baby. I have been going to some birthing an parenting classes with my wife and I'm trying to work OT to pay for my stupid truck hobby. Bigstriss and Smudge have their trucks down now so I have those trucks to tinker on if I do have any spare time. Since I've had bad luck with the truck so far, I'm not in any big hurry to take it to the track and break it(the Team Twisted shop is already full!). I don't have time to fix it right now so I'll keep driving it until I get the urge to race it and break it.

It is scary fast. Anyone that has rode in it will tell you that. The MPI chargers work perfect together and the Don M injectors give it plenty of fuel when the ATS twin CP3's crank up the rail psi! This truck is a riot to drive on the street. Throttle response is almost instant. Rolling burnouts are not uncommon at high speed. It is a wild ride.

Good show Bob,

You'll have your hands full with a new baby, playing it smart!

awesome! not much longer till the little one huh?

:cool: Nice Truck Bob.

at least bobo has a good mechanic....


Um, Stone back to you now Tomac:D Congrats

The shaft went in twice. The first time I forgot to put the sealing rings on it. I got lucky because Moss and BigStriss R&Red the trans for me and fixed the seal rings since I was to busy to do it. I've had the truck back for about a week and no problems now. I do have a chirp of the tires on the 3-4 shift that concerns me. I'm going to tune my TCM to get rid of it. If that don't work, the trans is coming back out and the transgo is coming out.

I've had a lot going on the past couple weeks. We got new tile and carpet through our house in prep for the baby. I have been going to some birthing an parenting classes with my wife and I'm trying to work OT to pay for my stupid truck hobby. Bigstriss and Smudge have their trucks down now so I have those trucks to tinker on if I do have any spare time. Since I've had bad luck with the truck so far, I'm not in any big hurry to take it to the track and break it(the Team Twisted shop is already full!). I don't have time to fix it right now so I'll keep driving it until I get the urge to race it and break it.

It is scary fast. Anyone that has rode in it will tell you that. The MPI chargers work perfect together and the Don M injectors give it plenty of fuel when the ATS twin CP3's crank up the rail psi! This truck is a riot to drive on the street. Throttle response is almost instant. Rolling burnouts are not uncommon at high speed. It is a wild ride.


i can tell you from experience, its insane. i have never had such an adrenaline rush in my life!!:D :D :ro)

Sounds badass.

what caused the low oil pressure and the oil leak?

what caused the low oil pressure and the oil leak?

Why don't you worry about your own motor issues.

Better yet Mike, come on over here to the garage and tell it to our face.

You caused it yourself Mike.

what caused the low oil pressure and the oil leak?


What caused your big head?

Why don't you worry about your own motor issues.

Better yet Mike, come on over here to the garage and tell it to our face.

You caused it yourself Mike.


sounds like general hospital :cool: :offtopic:

Reopening since hopefully everyone took a breather and is more calmed....

Seems what we feared would happen by letting the bench racing section get more heated happened....and that is that it would bleed over onto the rest of the forum. Quite simply that isnt going to happen regardless what the decision is about a section that is more losely moderated or not. Its still being decided whats going to happen, the decision will be communicated with you when it is made.

In tech forums the bickering stops. I dont care who started it, who got the last word, whos fault it is......we are pulling the reigns back in hard before this gets way outa control. No more warnings, no excuses. If a few of you wish to continue to fued in the tech forums you will be given time off. This thread isnt a place to discuss this, if you dont like it PM me.

I got my pulling hitch and some accessories made by Dmaxlover. It all needs to be powder coated. My truck is at MA now for a few more tweaks and upgrades. Hopefully everything is done for the June 8th pulls here in Union Grove, WI. Here are some pics of the pulling hitch and accessories. Huge thanks goes out to Dmaxlover for the quality work. This is some real nice stuff. Thanks!!!

That's some nice looking hardware. I'm going to have your dog steal your hitch for me!:D

:thumb: Glad you like it Bob.

My truck is at MA now for a few more tweaks and upgrades.

Now thats funny

Now thats funny


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I'm not one to get involved with this stuff, Too bad someone can't read the mods rules. (Tomac edited comment) I got a great motor from MA and I like it. Thanks Eric.

Bobo's updates will work well. Should really help it spin some RPM as well.

Hopefully everything is done for the June 8th pulls here in Union Grove, WI.

What about Indy? Are you planning to go? I have room in my truck if yours won't be ready to go.

Mark

What about Indy? Are you planning to go? I have room in my truck if yours won't be ready to go.

Mark


Should be back to Bob first of next week.

I'm not one to get involved with this stuff, Too bad someone can't read the mods rules. (Tomac edited comment) I got a great motor from MA and I like it. Thanks Eric.


Thank you for the comment. Were glad you like it too.:)

What about Indy? Are you planning to go? I have room in my truck if yours won't be ready to go.

Mark

I may take that back. I have heard that your bad mojo was involved in yet another truck's bad misfortune! :eek: What's up with that?????

I may take that back. I have heard that your bad mojo was involved in yet another truck's bad misfortune! :eek: What's up with that?????

I couldn't feel worse for that guy. We had it all shook down...but one darn issue kept showing up...and we played with it until one in the AM. The driver decides to stand on it in the big tune and it let loose....and that was all she wrote!

I may take that back. I have heard that your bad mojo was involved in yet another truck's bad misfortune! :eek: What's up with that?????

:confuzeld

:confuzeld

It seems that Bob has a bad track record of being around trucks that break. Don't ask me why. Maybee he was a black cat in another lifetime.:D

My truck is at MA now for a few more tweaks and upgrades.

Why didn't the "tweaks and upgrades" get installed when the truck was over at MA a couple weeks ago?

Why didn't the "tweaks and upgrades" get installed when the truck was over at MA a couple weeks ago?

Probably the same reason you didn't decompress your motor....new things are learned every day.:cool:

Probably the same reason you didn't decompress your motor....new things are learned every day.:cool:

thats funny right there I don't care who you are :D

Probably the same reason you didn't decompress your motor....new things are learned every day.:cool:

i like, i like!!:D

I hate to start this here and don't wanna cause any shiznit but why is so much info held back???? (Not directed to you Bobo, or anyone for that matter) But there is definately some tension between people on this board, not neccessarily all of them have replied or posted here in this thread, but guys like me learn from it as we all do.
Why can't facts be stated and leave out the intimidation/name calling and all that crap?
There is so much "guys like me" don't know because the posts are deleted so quickly because of the negativity.
Everyone has a reason for their choices, I'd just like to know what the hell those reasons are.
If someone is truly just an instigator, so be it, if someone is not up to par, so be it.
Just seems like a lot of beating around the bushes to me, that's all.
JMO

The problem with just telling it like it is may have to do with who is holding your truck and parts at the time. You pi$$ them off and the odds of you getting anything are slim to none. I think you just need to look at how many people are having to bring things back for rework/upgrades and you can figure out what is going on, or better yet PM's might get you a better answer.

Bob, I know its been frustrating for you. I know you'd love to be out driving your truck. But I do know it is on Eric's "top priority" list. Rest assured that when you do get it back, you'll be one very, very happy camper.




Some people just don't get it.

I hate to start this here and don't wanna cause any shiznit but why is so much info held back???? (Not directed to you Bobo, or anyone for that matter) But there is definately some tension between people on this board, not neccessarily all of them have replied or posted here in this thread, but guys like me learn from it as we all do.
Why can't facts be stated and leave out the intimidation/name calling and all that crap?
There is so much "guys like me" don't know because the posts are deleted so quickly because of the negativity.
Everyone has a reason for their choices, I'd just like to know what the hell those reasons are.
If someone is truly just an instigator, so be it, if someone is not up to par, so be it.
Just seems like a lot of beating around the bushes to me, that's all.
JMO

Simple answer
Ban the trouble makers once and for all. :D

some people are kids when it comes to there money...Pay to play.
John Force has bad days to and his engines go south as well...His pockets are bigger then ours.....Give it time and the issues will be worked out. Remember Dmaxallitech is human and is learning 2. He is not god and cant perdict everything....Our test engines at work are just that. Test to break.
We will have test falts in any new idea and parts. Just remember we all trust Eric and hes smart and good. Give him time.....

I hate to start this here and don't wanna cause any shiznit but why is so much info held back???? (Not directed to you Bobo, or anyone for that matter) But there is definately some tension between people on this board, not neccessarily all of them have replied or posted here in this thread, but guys like me learn from it as we all do.
Why can't facts be stated and leave out the intimidation/name calling and all that crap?
There is so much "guys like me" don't know because the posts are deleted so quickly because of the negativity.
Everyone has a reason for their choices, I'd just like to know what the hell those reasons are.
If someone is truly just an instigator, so be it, if someone is not up to par, so be it.
Just seems like a lot of beating around the bushes to me, that's all.
JMO


Because unfortunately that's the way it is!

You have a few different individuals that feel their products and designs are the way to go. Some individuals choose to ask questions addressed to the builder and or the person having the upgrades built OTHER THAN technical issues,a hidden agenda!

Others in the know that ask technical question are at times castrated as if they have some sort of hidden agenda when in reality they are just trying to have a informed public.

This fine line is continued to be breached and in our best effort we squelch it in order for every technical thread not to become mucked up into a pissing match! Read what is already written here and you will see.

As pointed out if you really want to know use the internal communication available here a PM.

Sorry for the inconvenience but the jabs that are present in these threads just get old and hold no value out for public view over and over. There is always two sides to every story and more so than not only one side is told and the truth lies some where in between.

Good luck,cheers

Simple answer
Ban the trouble makers once and for all. :D

What fun would that be :D

Simple answer
Ban the trouble makers once and for all. :D

But then who would make random sheep jokes and help us on our trans issues? :think:

:lol:

...
Why can't facts be stated and leave out the intimidation/name calling and all that crap?...

They are doing it for your own good. If they scare you off from modifying your truck, you'll save huge bucks, and perhaps even your marriage! :D

But don't listen to them! You would just waste that money on silly things like bills and food, and being single is very fashionable.

Me, I own stock in several tire companies, so I say build it!!

that was a good one ratlover lol.sorry mike the sheep gave it away:eek:

What caused your big head?
I have only been on this site for a short,but I was reading here before I joined,,,,I do notice she(I think)talks like she knows something but when you read what she writes she has not a clue,,,

Probably the same reason you didn't decompress your motor....new things are learned every day.:cool:


no need to decompress if you put rods in with Lb7 pistons

Bob, I know its been frustrating for you. I know you'd love to be out driving your truck. But I do know it is on Eric's "top priority" list. Rest assured that when you do get it back, you'll be one very, very happy camper.




Some people just don't get it.


I'd start with you

no need to decompress if you put rods in with Lb7 pistons

Is this your (or someone you trust's) guess or can you substantiate this claim with some evidence? If so, please do. Many people would love to know what ever it is you are harboring. ;)

Please lets not stir up crap again or bring to light comments that were made some time ago. Personal jabs have no place here.

I have only been on this site for a short,but I was reading here before I joined,,,,I do notice she(I think)talks like she knows something but when you read what she writes she has not a clue,,,
:lol:

Is this your (or someone you trust's) guess or can you substantiate this claim with some evidence? If so, please do. Many people would love to know what ever it is you are harboring. ;)


If you are running a mid range charger like the aurora 5000 there is no need to decompress with LB7 pistons if you do rods.

My evidence is a lot of trucks! open your eyes look around draw your own conclusions.

isn't climax runnin lb7's?

I have only been on this site for a short,but I was reading here before I joined,,,,I do notice she(I think)talks like she knows something but when you read what she writes she has not a clue,,,

I'm sure your qualifications are the highest in Dmax land.

Why don't you tell us all why you are so superior to everyone so we can then bask in your glory.

Beth is good folk, and she has helped a lot of us.

If you really have a need to slam the diesel ladies, go to another board. I'm personally tired of it.

... draw your own conclusions.

I'm working on it, hence the questions. ;)

Trouble is, I'm not "in the know" nearly as much as many people on here (including you) so I don't know who these people/trucks are that you speak of. Since there are a lot, could you list at least a few of them? :D


C-ya

Tons of people ran the 5000 and other bigger chargers and were ok.........when people started adding the dual cp3's is when stuff seemed to start fraging.

Tons of people ran the 5000 and other bigger chargers and were ok.........when people started adding the dual cp3's is when stuff seemed to start fraging.

I'm aware of that detail. ;)

I'm sure your qualifications are the highest in Dmax land.

Why don't you tell us all why you are so superior to everyone so we can then bask in your glory.

Beth is good folk, and she has helped a lot of us.

If you really have a need to slam the diesel ladies, go to another board. I'm personally tired of it.

Was this not clear??

Please lets not stir up crap again or bring to light comments that were made some time ago. Personal jabs have no place here.

Would you people please let the staff do thier jobs and quit stiring things up? All added comments do is to furthur derail a topic and breed more fighting. No need to add your .02$ about a comment that shouldnt have been made when the staff is dealing with it. You make our job harder and detract from the tech discussion and hurt all the members when things turn into a pissing contest. Everyone can see the comments that are made and decide for themselves if the poster is a asswhole or not without added comentary.

This isnt open for discussion here. Start a thread in forum ops or PM me or another member of the staff if you would like to discuss our moderating policies.

I'm aware of that detail. ;)

:think: then why you asking for examples from dale? :think: Or are you wondering about motors that have dual cp3s and are living?

:think: then why you asking for examples from dale? :think: Or are you wondering about motors that have dual cp3s and are living?

Winner! :D

What is it that dual cp3s do that kill the motor quicker vs. a single cp3?

More fuel in the motor = more cylinder pressure(aka more power) = BOOM ):h

phil must of been good at math!

i like the boom part:D

i like the boom part:D

:think: you do?

boom = expensive :(

To get the thread back on topic, is bobs truck done. Or is still in MI. getting hacked together.

Or is still in MI. getting hacked together.

Man some people just dont get it. If you dont like how someone does something make your own and show them how you do it better.

I have only been on this site for a short,but I was reading here before I joined,,,,I do notice she(I think)talks like she knows something but when you read what she writes she has not a clue,,,

well, then enlighten me with your thoughts, since I don't have a clue. reading before you joined seems to be your sig.:) are you a mrs'?

I'd start with you


get over it dale, move on to your kennel buisness

Can you just feel the Love.:(

You people need to learn to get along, be quiet, or at least stay away from each other.

Any other "off topic", baiting, or smart ass comments will not be allowed in this thread.

I feel the love here :( Bobo I hope you get your truck running soon. Sorry to hear it's down.

Not to stir any more BS but is the problem found yet?

I feel the love here :( Bobo I hope you get your truck running soon. Sorry to hear it's down.
x2

Not to stir any more BS but is the problem found yet?

x2

I feel the love here Bobo I hope you get your truck running soon. Sorry to hear it's down.

Don't feel bad. Merchant has been working all weekend on my truck. I'm very happy with his work. We have been talking on the phone a lot and he is doing everything in his power to get the truck up an running ASAP. I've agreed to slowly turn the truck up when I get it back so we can gather data on what is good and bad for the motor. For all you out there wondering what is going on.......Merchant is helping me build a 700rwhp daily driver. That is the goal. If this works out good, he will be able to apply the things he is learning on your trucks so you can do the same. There are no Duramax trucks on the road made to run like this truck does. The goal has always been to make my truck a street worthy daily driver that can handle the cold WI winters and tow well up to and past GM recommended GVWR...all while putting down over 700rwhp and running 11 second 1/4 mile passes. I do want to compete in a few pulls with the Badge State Truck Pullers and be competitive also. Although I've had my doubts all this is possible, Merchant has committed to making it happen. It has been a learning experience. We are learning some valuable info as time goes by and the build keeps getting better and better.

Yup. This is all uncharted territory. Nobody really has the answers yet.

Yup. This is all uncharted territory. Nobody really has the answers yet.

Therein lies the whole problem....you get people that want to have the baddest truck out there, but are unwilling to or don't understand fully that we are still finding our way on the Dmax. When something doesn't go right, or the idea hasn't been fully thought out (which in many cases is very possible, as there are many variables), they then blame the builder when it fails. EVERYTHING we are trying is new, with little or no real-world testing done, save what we all do on our own dime. Heck, this isn't like building a 350Chevy where there's 40 years of tried and true experience behind every single idea!!!!!!!!!

Bob, your engine was looking good. We were double checking everything as we put it back together. I thought the build went well so far.
We should have it back in the truck tomorrow, at least thats the plan. I was going to go back to the shop Monday to help. But knowing Eric, he just may have it done today.

Therein lies the whole problem....you get people that want to have the baddest truck out there, but are unwilling to or don't understand fully that we are still finding our way on the Dmax. When something doesn't go right, or the idea hasn't been fully thought out (which in many cases is very possible, as there are many variables), they then blame the builder when it fails. EVERYTHING we are trying is new, with little or no real-world testing done, save what we all do on our own dime. Heck, this isn't like building a 350Chevy where there's 40 years of tried and true experience behind every single idea!!!!!!!!!

Bob, your engine was looking good. We were double checking everything as we put it back together. I thought the build went well so far.
We should have it back in the truck tomorrow, at least thats the plan. I was going to go back to the shop Monday to help. But knowing Eric, he just may have it done today. "EVERTHING"............i thought the juice has been tried before and proven?:confuzeld ):h

"EVERTHING"............i thought the juice has been tried before and proven?:confuzeld ):h

Geezus.....do you see an Edge in my sig anymore?!? :lol:

You know what I meant....;)

There are no Duramax trucks on the road made to run like this truck does. The goal has always been to make my truck a street worthy daily driver that can handle the cold WI winters and tow well up to and past GM recommended GVWR...all while putting down over 700rwhp and running 11 second 1/4 mile passes.


I'm hoping you are refering to the twin turbo set up? There are several trucks at this level running at a higher power level and daley driving the trucks. Some of them are even driven to and from the track. I'm sure Eric will get your combination figured out but you will be on a list of several who have already accomplished this. The trick now is to make a 900HP dailey driver which I think Eric is working on with Keith's truck.

I'm hoping you are refering to the twin turbo set up? There are several trucks at this level running at a higher power level and daley driving the trucks. Some of them are even driven to and from the track. I'm sure Eric will get your combination figured out but you will be on a list of several who have already accomplished this. The trick now is to make a 900HP dailey driver which I think Eric is working on with Keith's truck.

You are flat out wrong. There is nothing in the league of what I have right now. Nothing. This trucks makes 100% usable power through the entire RPM range from right off idle to WOT. That is impossible with a single charger capable of making the HP I will be making. It is an ultimate street truck. The technology being applied to my truck is being applied to Nasty Girl and vise versa. Nasty's twins are on a larger scale. The cost and work put into that setup exceed my twins setup 10 fold. The setup I'm running is a more economical setup and if it is capable of doing what we want it to do....will be a very good choice for the guys not needing to be the top HP king of the world.

Just for comparison sake....I've drove and ridden in about every charger setup on the road. The more common ones being the A5k w/ 40% over sticks or more and twin CP3's. Gt42 w/ 40% over sticks or more and twin Cp3's. They have always been the top of the heap when in competition, so I know what they are capable of. My setup is a step above the others and we are working to make it 100% reliable. MA is working on this and will figure out how to make it happen.

Don't feel bad. Merchant has been working all weekend on my truck. I'm very happy with his work. We have been talking on the phone a lot and he is doing everything in his power to get the truck up an running ASAP. I've agreed to slowly turn the truck up when I get it back so we can gather data on what is good and bad for the motor. For all you out there wondering what is going on.......Merchant is helping me build a 700rwhp daily driver. That is the goal. If this works out good, he will be able to apply the things he is learning on your trucks so you can do the same. There are no Duramax trucks on the road made to run like this truck does. The goal has always been to make my truck a street worthy daily driver that can handle the cold WI winters and tow well up to and past GM recommended GVWR...all while putting down over 700rwhp and running 11 second 1/4 mile passes. I do want to compete in a few pulls with the Badge State Truck Pullers and be competitive also. Although I've had my doubts all this is possible, Merchant has committed to making it happen. It has been a learning experience. We are learning some valuable info as time goes by and the build keeps getting better and better.


May be I missed something here but this has been done for quite a while now and then some. I hope all the best for yours and I know Eric will get yours figured out for you. We all thought the same thing on our end with Ric's truck but the drive from Albuquerque to Las Vegas quickly made us very sure that we had done the right thing on our truck setup. I don't do to much with twins but this power level is not too hard to get to and be streetable as a daily driver with a single setup but I am sure there is alot more work with all the extra plumbing of twins. Do you guys think it will be ready for Indy or will we have to wait for Spring Fling to see it in person? Either way when it is done I am sure it will be fast and fun as hell and you will be happy with your truck.

There is nothing in the league of what I have right now. Nothing.



Wow! Very modest!!:rolleyes:

Just for comparison sake....I've drove, ridden in, and tuned about every charger setup on the road. The more common ones being the A5k w/ 40% over sticks or more and twin CP3's. Gt42 w/ 40% over sticks or more and twin Cp3's. They have always been the top of the heap when in competition, so I know what they are capable of. My setup is a step above the others and we are working to make it 100% reliable.



Good luck with that. Race motors are never 100% reliable. That is why you can’t get one in your truck originally. When power goes up reliability goes down; especially when you are over twice what the original HP rating for the engine was. Look at the high dollar race motors out there. I don’t see any NASCAR teams, or professional drag race teams, using engines for more than one race. If they could they certainly would not be throwing away lots of money rebuilding the engines over and over again. They are pushing the limits just like people here are doing. You guys are on the cutting edge and finding and solving the problems. Thank you for that! Just keep things in perspective, no matter what you try to make your wife believe. :D

You are flat out wrong. There is nothing in the league of what I have right now. Nothing. This trucks makes 100% usable power through the entire RPM range from right off idle to WOT. That is impossible with a single charger capable of making the HP I will be making. It is an ultimate street truck. The technology being applied to my truck is being applied to Nasty Girl and vise versa. Nasty's twins are on a larger scale. The cost and work put into that setup exceed my twins setup 10 fold. The setup I'm running is a more economical setup and if it is capable of doing what we want it to do....will be a very good choice for the guys not needing to be the top HP king of the world.

Just for comparison sake....I've drove and ridden in about every charger setup on the road. The more common ones being the A5k w/ 40% over sticks or more and twin CP3's. Gt42 w/ 40% over sticks or more and twin Cp3's. They have always been the top of the heap when in competition, so I know what they are capable of. My setup is a step above the others and we are working to make it 100% reliable. MA is working on this and will figure out how to make it happen.


Wow...I really couldn't even imagine a truck that would make WAY MORE USABLE POWER THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RPM RANGE than Ric's does, that would just be sick. I have never been happier with a truck than Ric's as It was pure pleasure to drive up the sides of the Rocky mountians like it was on flat ground and excelerating to over 116mph in just seconds while going up the mountian. And then to average 14.8mpg while averaging more than 95 mph on the last leg of the trip was beyond amazing in my book! Is your truck going to be at the Diesel Power Challenge this year? Sounds like it would be hard to beat... I am sure the two trucks will come head to head sooner or later and then I guess we will all know which one is really a step above the rest.;)

Wow...I really couldn't even imagine a truck that would make WAY MORE USABLE POWER THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RPM RANGE than Ric's does, that would just be sick. I have never been happier with a truck than Ric's as It was pure pleasure to drive up the sides of the Rocky mountians like it was on flat ground and excelerating to over 116mph in just seconds while going up the mountian. And then to average 14.8mpg while averaging more than 95 mph on the last leg of the trip was beyond amazing in my book! Is your truck going to be at the Diesel Power Challenge this year? Sounds like it would be hard to beat... I am sure the two trucks will come head to head sooner or later and then I guess we will all know which one is really a step above the rest.;)

I didn't know Ric had a spokesman....but I guess he does.

It is sick!:cool:

"I didn't know Ric had a spokesman....but I guess he does."


I don't need a sokesman, unlke you, I actually build my stuff so I can talk intelligently about my build. I guess you will not be able to take part in these discussions. You should leave the engine talk to the guys that understand it. If I have any further questions, I'll call Eric.

P.S. I think Eric is capable of getting your truck ironed out but you should really let him talk about it. Just because you can change some numbers in tables you have access to, doesn't make you a tuner. I test stuff on my own truck to save others from broken parts, I can't say the same about you.

ok everyone lets keep it civil...

My appolgies to the guys that actually read this board to learn. Imagine what could happen if we all got along and worked together? The Dodge guys would go home early.

My appolgies to the guys that actually read this board to learn. Imagine what could happen if we all got along and worked together? The Dodge guys would go home early.

Hey now....;)

"Hey now....;)"

Sorry about that.....the D-Max guys are trying to catch up to the Cummins guys but you guys got a 10 year head start!:D I think all of us have a piece of the puzzle but we don't seem to be able to come together and get it right! (that was just a observation based off my personal experience).

Taz...you have done nothing to help me. You are full of lies and you are doing nothing to help anyone. Get out of this thread if you don't like it. It is that simple. Your BS dyno numbers and 3rd try on building a motor right don't give you the right to discredit anyone....including me. Grow up or go away.

"I didn't know Ric had a spokesman....but I guess he does."


I don't need a sokesman, unlke you, I actually build my stuff so I can talk intelligently about my build. I guess you will not be able to take part in these discussions. You should leave the engine talk to the guys that understand it. If I have any further questions, I'll call Eric.

P.S. I think Eric is capable of getting your truck ironed out but you should really let him talk about it. Just because you can change some numbers in tables you have access to, doesn't make you a tuner. I test stuff on my own truck to save others from broken parts, I can't say the same about you.Bob started this thread, so without him there would'nt even be a thread. From what I've heard about you you're a good guy, but this infighting has to stop or a good thread will be shut down. If you have any questions ask Eric via PM or phone call. We all want to learn so lets do just that, Jim.

You obviously haven't ever delt with bobo or read very many threads here Taz.

I am not a bobo cheerleader, but I'll call it like it is: Bob is an above average tuner that is learning more and more every day. I can speak personally when I say his testing has kept my trucks together. If it wasn't for his testing on his truck, a bunch of crap probably would have went through my truck. Instead, I never had a single tuning-related failure on my truck--cheerleader out:rolleyes: !


"I didn't know Ric had a spokesman....but I guess he does."


I don't need a sokesman, unlke you, I actually build my stuff so I can talk intelligently about my build. I guess you will not be able to take part in these discussions. You should leave the engine talk to the guys that understand it. If I have any further questions, I'll call Eric.

P.S. I think Eric is capable of getting your truck ironed out but you should really let him talk about it. Just because you can change some numbers in tables you have access to, doesn't make you a tuner. I test stuff on my own truck to save others from broken parts, I can't say the same about you.

Enough is enough. Bob, feel free to start a new thread with the results of your build when it's done.