Yaaawnnn... A Hot Rodder who strips his ride to the frame, engineers and builds back a stronger, faster, personalized ride has BRAGGING RIGHTS. Just because I have enough money to buy a prebuilt turnkey product with options designed to separate me from my money with SOMEONE elses name on it does not mean I have been adopted into their family tree. Each of the big three has had their share of recalls, oooops, and flops. As unique as our likes and dislikes, our vehicles represent our freedom of choice and taste. Now... about your woman....:p:

I have had 2 D/A's and both ended up costing me, out of warranty before 60,000 miles(Power steering pump, Left front axle, steering shaft). My 03 has the famous injectors replaced at 60,000 and sure its nice to have a 200,000 warranty, but at $3000 to replace them, no doubt I will let it go before the warranty runs out. And it still needs Cognito, pitman arms, at 85,000?

So while I still like the D/A, I feel I really didn't get the benefit from long term ownership of a diesel, and next time around, the Cummins with the 6spd auto, sure looks hard to beat, especially the Megacab. I think GM has come a long way with the D/A, and the newer ones probably will last longer, but the nickle and dime stuff on the rest of the truck really is a bummer on a $45,000 truck. I always envy those folks who go 150,000 miles, only filters, and fluids, to bad this hasn't been my experience.

I have to laugh at the people that say such a thing about a GM and the cognito.... I personally have driven new dodges that don't drive at good a a GM ever one that needs the cognito kit.

Take that for what its worth. All trucks have flaws. I am not brand blind.

Holy crap do I have a headache!! I have read this whole thread and all I know is in the morning I will get up and jump into a Peterbilt with a 550hp Cat with 1850ft-lbs. of torque and a gvwr of 70000 lbs and say to myself, this is a diesel truck!!!

i cant count the number of dmaxs i put in my rear view but i usually cant see them due to the smoke!

Sure its the smoke from something you must be smoking:p:'

lmm and allison what a combo about as good as pbj but probobly wont last as long. rather have a good ol 12 valve with a manual the way trucks were meant to be.. in my opinion a chevy is just a pretty boy truck with a jap motor....... just my 2 cents

DMAX of Moraine, Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moraine%2C_Ohio) is a manufacturer of Diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel) engines for trucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck). A joint venture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_venture) between General Motors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Corporation) and Isuzu Motors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Motors), the formation of DMAX was announced in December of 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998). General Motors acquired a majority stake of the venture in 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003), including all engine designs.

Now I have had many Dodges. I even had a German owned Dodge that was built in Mexico. Until Dodge is back in us hands, its no different than buying a Tundra. Except atleast the Tundra's are built in the US.

Same as I was thinking.. But take a look at that ones guys new lifted white duramax in here...Looks kick ass....think i should have waited.


I'd been maybe gonna buy a new one but after seeing them no thanks. The GMC looks ok, but I wouldn't want to choose between the Dodge or Chevy. I've never been much of a Dodge fan, but that new Chevy with those jap looking side bulges is just plain uuuuugly. And not only are the front bumpers crappy looking but they have those bulbous corners that are PLASTIC....a plastic front bumper? No way. Then that goofy funnel thing on the tailpipe and some squashed places between it and the the muffler. And all that smog crap. The '07 Classic is a much better looking truck and I think the LLY and LBZ engines were the last of the good ones.

I have seen a lot of fords break down, Ive even had to work on a lot of them! The only one I will single out is ford, IMO they are the most worthless "diesel" ever built. "Even the turbocharger has a turbocharger" what a bold statement! They have to have it to lower the emmisions. They have outrageous exhaust gas regulation. They recycle 40% of the exhaust gas. Around here I like that I can put my truck through its paces and it dosent rattle apart and leak oil like the fords and dodges. If I had a quater for every dodge I have seen leaking oil I would be unreasonably rich. I am not saying cummins is bad, they just need a truck to put that engine in. It's about time dodge got a tranny. For a good combo...GM Truck with a D/A you can not go wrong!

I am a die hard Chevy man. Now I do have a 99 F350 with a 7.3 that pulls a heavy trailer with a Cat skid steer. Every body and there sister drives it and runs the piss out of it all day long. It sits and idles on the job site all day, not by my chioice. Has 265000 miles last time I looked and have had it for 3 years. Have not had one major problem with it. And you wonder why I have it, when I bought the skid steer the man gave me such a good deal on it I could not turn it down. Needed a truck to pull the skid steer and was not ready to buy a new one at the time. Probably will not buy another one but they are not as bad as some people think. And when I drive it I treat it like we just caught Osama at a biker rally. I want to be the one who kills it!!!

thejdman40 and the Chrysler enthusiasts.

Tell me one thing how come Chevy outsells Dodge 4:1 ? The market place has spoken and I for one think Chrysler is done real soon. The only value they have is the trucks and they get outsold 4:1 by GM and 6:1 by Ford.

Excellent point. And following your logic, the ford is still better than the gm because, after all, the ford is still outselling the gm, right? And since ford has been selling only 6.0's for the last bunch of years (except for the very recently-released 6.4), one could almost think you're saying a ford with a 6.0 is better than a gm with a duramax. After all, THEY SELL MORE FORDS, right?

Of course, to follow your logic one must assume that the public only bases their decision on what's best. No other factor plays a part-marketing, hype, price, etc. I mean, folks would NEVER base their buying decisions on something other than quality, right?

I have seen a lot of fords break down, Ive even had to work on a lot of them! The only one I will single out is ford, IMO they are the most worthless "diesel" ever built. "Even the turbocharger has a turbocharger" what a bold statement! They have to have it to lower the emmisions. They have outrageous exhaust gas regulation. They recycle 40% of the exhaust gas. Around here I like that I can put my truck through its paces and it dosent rattle apart and leak oil like the fords and dodges. If I had a quater for every dodge I have seen leaking oil I would be unreasonably rich.

I've heard plenty about the 6.0 leaking oil, but lots of oil leaks with the 5.9 is news to me. I'll admit, my '98 12 valve with 274k leaks a little oil from an o-ring on the vacuum pump. I haven't bothered to change it because it doesn't leak a noticeable amount between oil changes. You must be aware of something that thousands of dodge owners don't know about yet-the thousands that log on to forums just like this to complain about whatever's wrong with their trucks.

Thank the hippies and your politicians.

You would think big corporate companys like Cat and Cummins and Detroit and Gm/Ford would have more pull when it comes to making emission laws.


Fords gonna have the same problem Cat does with there C15 double turbo acert engine, when one turbo goes, so does the other one. $$$$$$$$$$$

ISX Cummins all the way!

I've heard plenty about the 6.0 leaking oil, but lots of oil leaks with the 5.9 is news to me. I'll admit, my '98 12 valve with 274k leaks a little oil from an o-ring on the vacuum pump. I haven't bothered to change it because it doesn't leak a noticeable amount between oil changes. You must be aware of something that thousands of dodge owners don't know about yet-the thousands that log on to forums just like this to complain about whatever's wrong with their trucks.


Don't try to defend Dodge. It will do you no good. Most of the guys on this site think the DMAX owns all. Including the Cummins Which is crazy because its been around way longer then the DMAX ever will!!!

I bet If Toyota put a CAT diesel in a production Truck, The GM guys would call it junk.
Their only Statement is a DMAX with the ALLISON owns all.
Well I For one am glad my motor is far better then my tranny.
And glad that your Allison is better then your Dmax.
I'd much rather replace a tranny then a whole Diesel motor$$$$$:eek:

Now that's not really a fair statement-the duramax is a pretty damn good engine too. For absolute long-term longevity, like how many hundreds of thousands of miles it will go, I'd bet on the cummins. BUT, for most people the duramax is turning out to do quite well.

Though it seems as if I'm defending dodge, that's not really all that's going on with me. I tend to call out obviously erroneous statements regardless of where they originate. If someone spews some retardation that's just untrue about ford or gm on any of the dodge sites I frequent, I'll call them on it there, too.

Don't try to defend Dodge. It will do you no good. Most of the guys on this site think the DMAX owns all. Including the Cummins Which is crazy because its been around way longer then the DMAX ever will!!!

I bet If Toyota put a CAT diesel in a production Truck, The GM guys would call it junk.
Their only Statement is a DMAX with the ALLISON owns all.
Well I For one am glad my motor is far better then my tranny.
And glad that your Allison is better then your Dmax.
I'd much rather replace a tranny then a whole Diesel motor$$$$$ :eek:

I would not say that. You need to remember that the 6.7 in the RAM is not the same as the Cummins of Old. I am not wishing bad luck on Dodge, only good. The Cummins has been great for Dodge, and hopefully the sucess continues. They are not perfect, nor is anything else out there. Cummins has got to stop riding on their reputation, because they ARE loosing business to Foreign engine builders. ( Fact not fiction, see the AG industry. ) I would be seriously suprised if Toyota put an american engine into their trucks, since they have the technology to build their own diesels, it would only make sense.

Lets wait and see.

JMHO.

we will see what happens when Mercedes pulls out this fall, What i mean is that Chrysler is forsale as we type. a company out of Canada has first bids on them. I heard rummers that GM is reducing workers to get more assets to get a bid in also.current bisd is 4.5 billion. source TRI_CITIES_HERALD go to their web site and read about it. I also heard that they may stop producing gmc trucks in the future and will be just sticking with Chevy.

we will see what happens when Mercedes pulls out this fall, What i mean is that Chrysler is forsale as we type. a company out of Canada has first bids on them. I heard rummers that GM is reducing workers to get more assets to get a bid in also.current bisd is 4.5 billion. source TRI_CITIES_HERALD go to their web site and read about it. I also heard that they may stop producing gmc trucks in the future and will be just sticking with Chevy.

Magna International & another company are the front runners for Chrysler. I would not put any faith in the Chev/GMC rumours, since they are built on the same line. The GMC is nicer than they Chev, IMHO.

Magna International & another company are the front runners for Chrysler. I would not put any faith in the Chev/GMC rumours, since they are built on the same line. The GMC is nicer than they Chev, IMHO.


Im not saying its going to happen but I work at Chrysler in Belvidere, IL and when we use to build the neon we had the dodge neon and the plymouth neon but Chrysler did away with the plymouth name and only had Dodge so I wouldnt be suprised to see Chevy do the same

After owning 2 D/A's both of which cost me out of Warranty before 60,000 miles, I am not sure next time around I am going with GM. I think they have tried hard to improve things, but its beyond me, how they can change the body styles so often and not improve the mechanical problems.

The steering shaft, the injectors on the 01-04, not thrilled with the front ends looking at replacing the Cognito, pitman arms. Say what you will about any of the other makes, sure Dodge had Tranny issues in prior years, and Ford had a bad start with the 6.0, I still see a boatload of Ford 6.0's around these parts, and most of the high miles I have seen (over 200,000) have either been on the 7.3 or the 5.9 engines.

I am sure the D/A has improved, but the owners of the LB7 engines are faced with an issue GM can't seem to resolve, the Injectors going out. Sure the 200,000 mile extended warranty is nice, but this truck will be sold before it hits those miles, just can't risk forking out $3000 for injectors. Sure the Ford and Dodge in those years have weak trannys, but when you upgrade the tranny's (aftermarket), you have improved the Tranny, and pretty much made it bullet proof.

These injectors going into the 01-04 D/A's are the same design, so it's a crap shoot how long you can go before having to do the same thing all over. This really sucks, considering I anticipated owning this truck for 300,000 miles,,,, If Toyota puts a Hino in a 1 ton, all three American companies should look out. Still my truck has never left me stranded, and I am hoping GM does figure out the injector issue on the LB7, since I would keep it if they do, but not optimistic this is something they really care about.

Magna International & another company are the front runners for Chrysler. I would not put any faith in the Chev/GMC rumours, since they are built on the same line. The GMC is nicer than they Chev, IMHO.

I have always thought the GMC line had nicer products. So I'm with you on that one
And from what I heard D/C is just doing this whole thing to scare the UNION in to redoing the concracts. Thats just what I heard.

I was sold on the Chev until I drove the Dodge now I'm not so sure.

I've driven them both. They both have pros and cons. The differences between the two for me is. Drum roll please

10. Seat of the pants the Chev seems a bit quicker, could have been the rear end gears.

9. Where's the floor shifter in the Chev?

8. The front seat is more comfortable in the Dodge if you are a fat guy. (me)

7. Which truck looks the best? Neither look good. Chev new body might grow on me but mold might too if I don't move. The Dodge look has gotten old and I hear they are comming out with a new body style very soon.

6. I'll take the SFA over the IFS even if the IFS rides better. The Dodge turns circles inside the Chev.

5. Chev gets it on the warranty.

4. Chev had a nicer interior (that sounds gay)

3. How comfortable I want the people in the back seat to be with an 8' bed. Another nod to the Chev.

2. My buddies race car has Aluminum heads, the diesel truck he pulls it to the races with doesn't. Hmmmm

1. The E brake in the Dodge is light years ahead of the one on the Chev.

After all is said and done I'll buy the one I get the best deal on.

Good luck

I've heard plenty about the 6.0 leaking oil, but lots of oil leaks with the 5.9 is news to me. I'll admit, my '98 12 valve with 274k leaks a little oil from an o-ring on the vacuum pump. I haven't bothered to change it because it doesn't leak a noticeable amount between oil changes. You must be aware of something that thousands of dodge owners don't know about yet-the thousands that log on to forums just like this to complain about whatever's wrong with their trucks.
Would you like me to take pictures of all the guys that own fords and dodges around here and leak oil like its going out of style? My post was going twards: I can take my truck through hell and back and it dosent leak oil at all! where as the fords and dodges do. And are you trying to say that people shouldnt post problems they have with their trucks? EVERY fourm has them because trucks are man made, some are just made better than others.

My impression for what it's worth:

Dodge Cummins 6.7/6 speed auto:
More torque than Duramax, poor top end
Very little turbo lag, faster to 35mph
Engine Quieter than Duramax
Tranny is not as refined as the Allison
Engine vibration from idle on up. Still FEELS like a diesel.
Truck suspension/handeling/steering is superior
Ride is good. Feels like a good riding truck, solid, beefy feeling
Road noise is inferior to Chevy
Body construction material and frame is superior to Chevy
MPG is superior
More cab room
Poor seat comfort, material, and sub standard creature comforts
Superior sound system. Even the cheap one sounds better than Bose.
Too expensive MSRP

Chevy:
Smoother engine, faster from 40-? mph
Bad turbo lag!
Superior transmission
Softer ride, much like a car,
Superior for road noise.
Feels cheap and light weight when driving
Better interior looks, comfort, material, gadgets
Small interior
Bose sound system is inferior
Too Expensive MSRP
0% financing will be the determining factor for me.

Ford:
Engine is a bunch of ???? Can't trust FMCO after the 6.0
Transmission is not an Allison
Interior is best design
Body is superior
Too expensive MSRP


My first choice was the Cummins due to the price but because of the 0% financing, I'm buying the Duramax.

DZ

And are you trying to say that people shouldnt post problems they have with their trucks?


No, not at all. Reread what I actually said-I said that nowhere on the dodge forums I frequent are there bunches of people talking about oil leaks. Forums are the one place where people will go to complain about something. Sure, most owners aren't on forums, but I find it hard to believe that the ones that are would magically always be the ones without leaks. As for why you see lots of leakers, I have no explanation for that.

Would you like me to take pictures of all the guys that own fords and dodges around here and leak oil like its going out of style? My post was going twards: I can take my truck through hell and back and it dosent leak oil at all! where as the fords and dodges do. And are you trying to say that people shouldnt post problems they have with their trucks? EVERY fourm has them because trucks are man made, some are just made better than others.

So you have seen tons of cummins and powerjokes leak oil and HAVE NEVER seen a duramax leak oil??:eek: I can see that if you are the only fella that has a duramax in a 1000 mile radius, but personally I have seen all makes leak oil. Not sure about the powerjokes, but any cummins or duramax i have seen leak is mostly do to ppl modifying something improperly causing a leak. But with the mentality I see hear can I make the statement that the Duramax leaks like a siv?? I dont think I can, because it is most likely human error/improper maintenence. Which is most likely the cause of the ones you see!!

I forgot to mention the paint which is a big issue to me. The GM products I have seen are grossly inferior first to Ford and second to Dodge. I don't know what they are doing wrong but all trucks (not the cars) have bad orange peel throughout, here is an example on another web site. Third picture down:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153413

The Dodge is better and the Ford is by far the best of the three.

My impression for what it's worth:

Dodge Cummins 6.7/6 speed auto:

MPG is superior...... ??actually not true, my 06 srw Dodge did no better than my dmax. And the other driver I am running w/ right now has a srw 6.7/6 speed auto w/22k on it and we have been about the same pulling comparable loads.

More cab room..... yes if you buy a mega and can deal with short bed, come on Dodge offer a real cab with a real bed!!

Poor seat comfort, material, and sub standard creature comforts...100% Agree!!


Chevy:

Bad turbo lag!...... Agree, you have to roll into the throttle

Superior transmission......100% Agree!!

Small interior..... More room than a quad cab!!

My first choice was the Cummins due to the price but because of the 0% financing, I'm buying the Duramax.

DZ

Why settle for what you do not want, you want a Dodge so buy one. Is saving a few bucks really worth being unhappy!

my impression for what it's worth: dodge cummins 6.7/6 speed auto:
more torque than duramax, poor top end
very little turbo lag, faster to 35mph
engine quieter than duramax
tranny is not as refined as the allison
engine vibration from idle on up. Still feels like a diesel. Truck suspension/handeling/steering is superior
ride is good. Feels like a good riding truck, solid, beefy feeling
road noise is inferior to chevy
body construction material and frame is superior to chevy
mpg is superior
more cab room
poor seat comfort, material, and sub standard creature comforts
superior sound system. Even the cheap one sounds better than bose. Too expensive msrp chevy:
smoother engine, faster from 40-? mph
bad turbo lag!
superior transmission
softer ride, much like a car, superior for road noise. Feels cheap and light weight when driving
better interior looks, comfort, material, gadgets
small interior
bose sound system is inferior
too expensive msrp
0% financing will be the determining factor for me. Ford:
engine is a bunch of ???? can't trust fmco after the 6.0 transmission is not an allison
interior is best design
body is superior too expensive msrp my first choice was the cummins due to the price but because of the 0% financing, i'm buying the duramax. Dz
take this for what is worth,,,,,,i test drove one of the first ones here in the tri-cities,washington,mega-cab,out of the whole truck only one thing i liked,(the engine break).left it idling in the parking lot,climed in my 2004 duramax and drove to the chevy dealer and bought my first lmm drove it for 1500 miles also did not like it due to comfort and road noise,so i'm driving a duramax classic. And i'm happy all the way to the bank!!!!!!!!

Don't try to defend Dodge. It will do you no good. Most of the guys on this site think the DMAX owns all. Including the Cummins Which is crazy because its been around way longer then the DMAX ever will!!!

I bet If Toyota put a CAT diesel in a production Truck, The GM guys would call it junk.
Their only Statement is a DMAX with the ALLISON owns all.
Well I For one am glad my motor is far better then my tranny.
And glad that your Allison is better then your Dmax.
I'd much rather replace a tranny then a whole Diesel motor$$$$$:eek:

Ya so, thats the same CRAP you hear over at DTR.com They think the Cummins is the Best in the world and blah blah.

What difference does it make both are very good engines with weaknesses built by humans. I love my new truck and you love yours life should be good, but these my truck is better than yours sure is fun. BTW this is my 1st post and you do have a good site even for a Dodge owner. Thanks for letting us in!

I am going to buy my first diesel truck soon. I hear weird things about the Ford. So that is out of the question. I have owned 3 half ton chevys and all have been great so I am a Chevy guy. I've heard the Dodge is getting much better mileage then the Chevy so far. Is this true? What is the most significant differences between the two trucks? Broad question I know but some input would be appreciated.

If you like Dodge and Cummins I'd go with them..as far as I know the tranny's are fixed and no more problems with the IP. Like someone said earlier you can find problems with any make. If I had the money I'd have a 3rd gen dodge but know way would I give up my 04 Dmax to get one I'd have to have both.

.......... I've heard the Dodge is getting much better mileage then the Chevy so far. Is this true?............What is the most significant differences between the two trucks? Broad question I know but some input would be appreciated.

Fuel Mileage:

From reading mileage reports on both, I am not seeing major differences in the two brands. Posts for both show mileage ranging from 12 mpg to the low 20's. Unfortunately, most of the posters do not know how, or do not put in the effort, to properly compute fuel consumption, so it is difficult to reach any conclusions. After looking at these for awhile, I would expect to get about 14 or more mpg in normal city driving and about 17 or more mpg in mostly highway driving, with either brand (assuming stock, single axle, no load).

Summary of Major Differences:
- Independent front suspension for the GM, single front axle for the Dodge.
- V8 for the Duramax, in-line 6 for the Cummins.
- Manual transmission option for the Dodge.
- Proven Allison 6 speed for the GM, new 6 speed auto for the Dodge.
- Major styling differences in the two brands.
- Warranty????
- Cost???
- Rear locking differential on GM, limited slip on Dodge(?).
- Engine brake available on Dodge.

Don't try to defend Dodge. It will do you no good. Most of the guys on this site think the DMAX owns all. Including the Cummins Which is crazy because its been around way longer then the DMAX ever will!!!

I bet If Toyota put a CAT diesel in a production Truck, The GM guys would call it junk.
Their only Statement is a DMAX with the ALLISON owns all.
Well I For one am glad my motor is far better then my tranny.
And glad that your Allison is better then your Dmax.
I'd much rather replace a tranny then a whole Diesel motor$$$$$:eek:
:blahblah: This is definitely a case of the Pot calling the Kettle Black!!! Dude, this is a GM website, what do you expect? Go to the Dodge sites if you wan't biased opinions on your favorite brand.

well reading this thread was a big waste of my time

I think it would be worthwhile if you were seriously in the market for a 2007.5 diesel truck, but were undecided on which brand to get. Then you will need to filter the hype from the facts and rational thought.

If you are just after general knowledge, then read the first few pages. Most of the long threads seem to go downhill after that.

I thought I posted this yesterday but here goes again.

The reason I bought a Chevy is because it is the least likely to get me into trouble and I did own a Dodge which I got rid of with only 27k miles on it. Plain and simple GM and for that matter Ford greatly outsell Dodge with a higher price and that is because over the years they are the better truck. Just that simple!

On the keeping me out of trouble bit. I would no way buy a Dodge now. They are barely a functioning company and I would call them AMC. Cars are Mitsubishi, noteworty things about the trucks are Cummins and now a Japanese trans. So I don't think Dodge is in it for the long haul. The company sucks, the dealer network sucks , getting parts sucks. How are you going to maintain this thing over the long haul. Pretty tough I would imagine! You could tear the company apart and nobody would miss them because they only assemble and don't even manufacturer anymore. Currently Daimler can't even sell them so that has to tell you how much are they really even worth. Very little I'm afraid. So you Dodge boys can talk all about your Cummins or Aisin trans but at the end of the day I believe you are in for some big maintenance trouble down the road. And like I said that is why I bougt a Chevy. Less dumb things means more hapiness for me in the long run. GM perferct? Nope not even close , but miles ahead of Dodge!



I would think long and hard about buying a Dodge. The company is barely alive and you really

:agreed:

I regularly tow 20K+ lbs {anymore almost weekly} and my brakes suck.Just put new pads on and they still suck They always have towing,but the ones on the 07' 3500 6.7 I drove were great. You are exactly right GM is catering to that crowd,not those of us that work out trucks. And the "IFS rides smoother" is BS too cause my IFS rides like crap :mad: .

Hm. I've never complained about my brakes even when doing over 20k GCW through mountain passes. Exhaust brake helps, but the pedal brakes have NEVER been a problem.

Stupid question: where have you got your trailer brakes set?

--Rob

I thought I posted this yesterday but here goes again.

The reason I bought a Chevy is because it is the least likely to get me into trouble and I did own a Dodge which I got rid of with only 27k miles on it. Plain and simple GM and for that matter Ford greatly outsell Dodge with a higher price and that is because over the years they are the better truck. Just that simple!

On the keeping me out of trouble bit. I would no way buy a Dodge now. They are barely a functioning company and I would call them AMC. Cars are Mitsubishi, noteworty things about the trucks are Cummins and now a Japanese trans. So I don't think Dodge is in it for the long haul. The company sucks, the dealer network sucks , getting parts sucks. How are you going to maintain this thing over the long haul. Pretty tough I would imagine! You could tear the company apart and nobody would miss them because they only assemble and don't even manufacturer anymore. Currently Daimler can't even sell them so that has to tell you how much are they really even worth. Very little I'm afraid. So you Dodge boys can talk all about your Cummins or Aisin trans but at the end of the day I believe you are in for some big maintenance trouble down the road. And like I said that is why I bougt a Chevy. Less dumb things means more hapiness for me in the long run. GM perferct? Nope not even close , but miles ahead of Dodge!



I would think long and hard about buying a Dodge. The company is barely alive and you really


If you really think that then:iamwithst

the idea comes from people who are simply ignorant and are basing their oppinions on assumptions, and because, cars use IFS, GM HD's use IFS, so the GM HD IFS is obviously a direct carry-over from a minivan!! :duh: :rolleyes:


*groan* Check the part #'s for the inner tie rod ends...specific years...I could be remembering wrong, but I remember them being the same...

--Rob

:blahblah: This is definitely a case of the Pot calling the Kettle Black!!! Dude, this is a GM website, what do you expect? Go to the Dodge sites if you wan't biased opinions on your favorite brand.


I'm on both Dodge and GM site alot. And at DTR most agree that the DMAX/Allison is a GREAT combo BUT NOT THE BEST. I've never said that cummins was the best either. I just think alot of you talk about stuff you heard from your buddies mom sisters son. Dodge trucks are not the same trucks they're 10 yrs ago. They have come a long way.

Most GM fans are still stuck on the Dodge trannies suck thing. Which was a old problem it's been fixed

NO the 48RE (Dodge Tranny) is not a Allison, but its not bad either.

And no matter what you may think the DMAX is no where near the standards of the Cummins. Yeah it makes a little more power but thats it.
IT WILL NOT OUT LAST A STRAIGHT 6 TURBO DIESEL MOTOR (Cummins).

The reason the Dmax tows so well is the 5-6 forward gears it has.
I wonder how well a Dmax would fare with a 4-speed auto???

Give me a Cummins with a Allison behind it and wrapped in a Ford body know thats a truck.

I thought I posted this yesterday but here goes again.

The reason I bought a Chevy is because it is the least likely to get me into trouble and I did own a Dodge which I got rid of with only 27k miles on it. Plain and simple GM and for that matter Ford greatly outsell Dodge with a higher price and that is because over the years they are the better truck. Just that simple!

On the keeping me out of trouble bit. I would no way buy a Dodge now. They are barely a functioning company and I would call them AMC. Cars are Mitsubishi, noteworty things about the trucks are Cummins and now a Japanese trans. So I don't think Dodge is in it for the long haul. The company sucks, the dealer network sucks , getting parts sucks. How are you going to maintain this thing over the long haul. Pretty tough I would imagine! You could tear the company apart and nobody would miss them because they only assemble and don't even manufacturer anymore. Currently Daimler can't even sell them so that has to tell you how much are they really even worth. Very little I'm afraid. So you Dodge boys can talk all about your Cummins or Aisin trans but at the end of the day I believe you are in for some big maintenance trouble down the road. And like I said that is why I bougt a Chevy. Less dumb things means more hapiness for me in the long run. GM perferct? Nope not even close , but miles ahead of Dodge!



I would think long and hard about buying a Dodge. The company is barely alive and you really


Get your facts straight buddy. This what I'm talking about you know nothing about nothing.
The new Dodge 6.7L is backed by a Dodge built 6-speed auto tranny.
Only the cab and chassis get the Aisin.

And didn't Isuzu help Gm with the Dmax? Just because they build the engine in America doesn't mean its American.... They build Honda's and Toyota's in America but yet they're still considered Imports right?? Then so is the Dmax motor.

I think you think you know more then you actually do. GM isn't doing that great either. The only reson they showing profit is because they have the newest cars/trucks to the market.

I don't claim to know anything about Dodge or GM money problem. Because you only know what they want you to know period.


And the whole GM and Ford greatly out sell Dodge thing is a joke.
If you think the reason they sell more is because they're a better truck then your worse then I thought.

I guess that means by your standards that Ford is WAY better then GM because they sell more diesel trucks then GM and Dodge combined. You said it not me so eat your words.

I'm on both Dodge and GM site alot. And at DTR most agree that the DMAX/Allison is a GREAT combo BUT NOT THE BEST. I've never said that cummins was the best either. I just think alot of you talk about stuff you heard from your buddies mom sisters son. Dodge trucks are not the same trucks they're 10 yrs ago. They have come a long way.

Most GM fans are still stuck on the Dodge trannies suck thing. Which was a old problem it's been fixed

NO the 48RE (Dodge Tranny) is not a Allison, but its not bad either.

And no matter what you may think the DMAX is no where near the standards of the Cummins. Yeah it makes a little more power but thats it.
IT WILL NOT OUT LAST A STRAIGHT 6 TURBO DIESEL MOTOR (Cummins).

The reason the Dmax tows so well is the 5-6 forward gears it has.
I wonder how well a Dmax would fare with a 4-speed auto???

Give me a Cummins with a Allison behind it and wrapped in a Ford body know thats a truck.
Check out Haulin-RV's Signature and tell me a DMAX won't outlast a Cummin's. He's ready to hit the Quarter MILLION mark in his rig Yankin' some heavy goods behind it. Yes, the Cummin's is a awsome motor,(That's what I drove in the U.S.A.F. delivering LARGE quantities of Bombs & ALCM'S to the B-52's back in the 90's.You'll get no argument from me!!) maybe the Aisin will cure the tranny issue. But don't come here bashin' GM. We all chose are trucks (whatever make) for are certain needs(I.E.- creature comforts, ride, looks, power,etc.) So thats it, if it offends you what is said on this "GM" site on occasion, don't hang out here.. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If I had a Friggin' nickel every time I read something bad said about Chevy on the other brand specific sites, I could retire. You are not the Messiah that is suddenly going to appear On Diesel Place and convert us all to Dodge. WE LIKE OUR GM'S HERE!!! :chevy:

Oh for chrissake.......

Your money, buy what you want. Buy the best truck that fits your individual needs because it is your money!

Dodge CTD or GM DMX.
Either one will get the job done. No doubt in my mind. Both have solid proven powertrains, choices will boil down to SFA VS IFS. Auto VS Stick.
Smoother Ride, Better suspension, Seats, Seating Position etc.

The one last important one is cost.


Stick a fork in it. This thread is done.

this is so stupid

this is what happends to alot of us...we ferget who is the enemy, we should be fighting the imports and not fighting with each-other. all three major chevy,ford,dodge built something good. who likes and what is a matter of choice and pride. while we sit and fight on who is better, toyota and nissan are outselling us. sooner or later there won't be any domestic cars to fight for.

this is what happends to alot of us...we ferget who is the enemy, we should be fighting the imports and not fighting with each-other. all three major chevy,ford,dodge built something good. who likes and what is a matter of choice and pride. while we sit and fight on who is better, toyota and nissan are outselling us. sooner or later there won't be any domestic cars to fight for.

Nice post Lennox.

Check out Haulin-RV's Signature and tell me a DMAX won't outlast a Cummin's. He's ready to hit the Quarter MILLION mark in his rig Yankin' some heavy goods behind it. Yes, the Cummin's is a awsome motor,(That's what I drove in the U.S.A.F. delivering LARGE quantities of Bombs & ALCM'S to the B-52's back in the 90's.You'll get no argument from me!!) maybe the Aisin will cure the tranny issue. But don't come here bashin' GM. We all chose are trucks (whatever make) for are certain needs(I.E.- creature comforts, ride, looks, power,etc.) So thats it, if it offends you what is said on this "GM" site on occasion, don't hang out here.. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If I had a Friggin' nickel every time I read something bad said about Chevy on the other brand specific sites, I could retire. You are not the Messiah that is suddenly going to appear On Diesel Place and convert us all to Dodge. WE LIKE OUR GM'S HERE!!! :chevy:


I never came here bashing anyone or any brand!!!!!!!
I'm defending Dodge to what someone else said go back and read a few pages before you just ASSume I'm bashing GM.
I think I 1st said they are both great trucks.

You might want to check and see How many cummins are at a 1/2 million or million mile mark 1st.
The suggested overhaul for a Dmax is 250,000mi ( Straight From GM they built the motor so I think they know whats its good for)

While the Cummins suggested overhaul is 350,000mi?? Go figure

I'm jumping in a little late on this thread, but I have just had two Dodge truck rentals over the last 3 weeks.

Firstly I had an 07 Dodge 3500 Laramie Megacab with the Cummins/4sp. Hated the truck. Running down the highway at 120kph the RPM's were at 2250 and the truck felt . . . well it felt bad. As a rental it only had 15thou km's so it wasn't beat to s... or anything like that so I have no real explanation. Just this week I had a new 3500 Laramie quad cab and their new 6sp transmission. Very Nice. Not quite as nice as my current ride, but if i was in the market for one of these trucks today, I would have to give serious consideration to the Dodge. As a plain work truck I believe it beats out my DMAX. But if you are doing serious highway miles, the GM products are the way to go. For every mile you do in the Chev, it feels like 2 in the Dodge.

There are other reasons I prefer my Chev but that is another story.
Just my $.02 of course.

this is what happends to alot of us...we ferget who is the enemy, we should be fighting the imports and not fighting with each-other. all three major chevy,ford,dodge built something good. who likes and what is a matter of choice and pride. while we sit and fight on who is better, toyota and nissan are outselling us. sooner or later there won't be any domestic cars to fight for.


X2 Could not agree more.

I don't care what you drive as long as you drive a domestic.

We should be far more concerned for preserving American jobs with American Companies.

Hmm found this interesting. Cummins folks like to rant about their 300-400k mile engines. Here is an intersting piece.

http://chevy200k.com/gallery/detail.php?id=8ec58282

Putting diesel subject aside. Does Dodge or Ford have anything like this!

Today I drove all three vehicles. (I have a 06 cc 2500 D/M and am very happy with it.) I was very curious to try these new vehicles because of all the pros and cons I've read about all 3. So this afternoon I took the afternoon off and went and drove all 3.

I drove the GMC D/M (2x4) first and was not impressed with its get up and go, but it was very smooth and did not have any turbo lag or any hesitation.The sitting position was different but very comfortable.

The Dodge 2500 with the 68re (4x4) was the second truck I drove and I was impressed with the new 6 speed and you can toggle it like the Ally 6 speed. The engine responded very well with no turbo lag and had very good acceleration . It also was very comfortable to drive.

The last was an 08 6.4 Ford (4X4) to drive and it was very responsive to get off the line, but it had a little hesitation ala turbo lag. The sales person driving with me also noticed it, it wasn't that bad but I noticed it because the other 2 trucks didn't have any turbo lag. I was impressed with the short er turning radius of the new Ford and it was also very comfortable to drive.

I was impressed with all of the engines being quieter than their previous models. I don't think you could go wrong with any of the 3 new picks. This gives the buying public 3 good choices which I believe are all quality vehicles.

Just my impressions.

The thing that bugs me the most about the chevy trucks, you don't sit behind the steering wheel. The steering wheel is off to the right quite a bit, very uncomfortable for me. What's up with that? Is that fixed in the new ones?

Dodge is in the center, and so is our new GTO.

well guys ive been sitting here reading alot of info. i would like to add my opinion on a few things. as far as the gm ifs yes it rides great the 04.5 dmax is what i drive when we are traveling or i go to bid jobs. have not had any durability issues with it except for 1 wheel bearing. but when i want to drive something that feels like a truck i go to back to one of the old body style (obs) 7.3 powerstroke trucks that i own. which with 250,000 on the 95 the only thing ive done is reg maint. and a trans at 170,000. power wise i like the dmax allison. dodge makes an excellant truck but i wouldnt own one for nothing. but it just personal reasons.
i was actually gonna buy another ford when i bought my new truck but was scared of the ford combos. so i went chevy

Hopefully the new Asian 6 speed will work out for Dodge. If so they will at least have the powertrain on the right track. Following in GM's footsteps should pay off. (ie. HPCR engine, same driveshaft and rear end, and now an Asian (Allison Clone) 6 speed with manual controls and grade braking) With the exception of 6 cylinders vrs. 8 their drivetrain is now copied pretty close to GM. They still have a lot to prove as far as truck reliability goes. Until these newer units show some road miles without all kinds of quirky problems they will never shake the junk wrapped around the engine reputation. They could also use some brushing up with their customer service skills..... Then they will finally be there.

Hopefully the new Asian 6 speed will work out for Dodge. If so they will at least have the powertrain on the right track. Following in GM's footsteps should pay off. (ie. HPCR engine, same driveshaft and rear end, and now an Asian (Allison Clone) 6 speed with manual controls and grade braking) With the exception of 6 cylinders vrs. 8 their drivetrain is now copied pretty close to GM. They still have a lot to prove as far as truck reliability goes. Until these newer units show some road miles without all kinds of quirky problems they will never shake the junk wrapped around the engine reputation. They could also use some brushing up with their customer service skills..... Then they will finally be there.

:rolleyes: :wtf:

drove the new 6.7 cummins, and the lmm.....the company i work for bought them the other day...in my comparisons....the 6.7 was a 6speed...and i did not like the shiftin...i didnt mind it, but its differnt than the 01-02 24v 6spd...when you chang the gears its loud and make a "clunk" noise, and when you go at WOT, the 6.7 has a raddeling nosie....i like the lmm a hole lot better, seats are more comfterble, and the motor is quiter!!

A few notes......

I believe that higher compression Diesels take a little longer to break-in. If I'm correct, that lends towards better fuel economy and longer engine life.

I thought that GM's "value" had gone up a bit. I wonder if it has anything to do with selling stock in Isuzu Motor Comapany?


And the fear of Japanese 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with diesels.... I wonder which toy...o..er... Japanese company bought into Iszuzu when GM sold?



I think the big three have good trucks but not great trucks. I've had all three and each has good/bad qualities.

I agree. I think thats the one thing that pisses me off about GM. They just don't drive like trucks or even feel like trucks. Your kind of afraid to even do the mildest of mildest off-roading. I've never liked the way the IFS system handles any real bumps. It's just way too bouncy. My old 85 GMC K20 road way better and just felt way more tough.

The sad thing is like others have said, non of the big 3 have great trucks. Sometimes I think of selling my DMAX outright. Buying a little toyota car and buying an old 80's model K30 and restore it with a Cummins for going to the beach or pulling a TT.

I think that it is to bad that a lot of the guys on this site think that a solid front axle makes a truck. I have done plenty with my truck that has required 4 wheel drive. I have had no problems. All three companies have there issues. But, I do feel that GM has put a lot of thought & Engineering into their trucks and made a great truck. You can't beat the dmax and alli combo.

I think that it is to bad that a lot of the guys on this site think that a solid front axle makes a truck. I have done plenty with my truck that has required 4 wheel drive. I have had no problems. All three companies have there issues. But, I do feel that GM has put a lot of thought & Engineering into their trucks and made a great truck. You can't beat the dmax and alli combo.


You obviously havent used your little IFS system on muddy ranch roads pulling 8-10k loads needing 4wheel drive. Thats another thing, the Steering system on our TRUCKS are so week its not even funny.

Why did you buy a GM truck then? I have been on roads that are probably worse than a muddy ranch road, getting to the hunting and fishing spots in the northwest. Spend a little money and get the steering braces. Why would a solid axle be better pulling on a muddy road?

I just wanted to post this remark by a member of the Dodge diesel forum.

"However, since the 2nd and 3rd gen trucks have the exact same front suspension setup, except for the small change on the track bar, I still stand by my statements that death wobble is caused exclusively because of worn steering parts. The track bar, track bar mounts and bolts, tie rod and tie rod ends, ball joints, hub assemblies, and control arm bushings and bolts are the only parts that can allow the front end to buck like it does when death wobble happens. The only way I can see the frame having anything to do with death wobble would be if the frame was cracked and allowing a lot of side to side movement."

So don't think that our "little IFS front end" has the only problems out there.:rolleyes:

Spend a little money and get the steering braces.


Would you happen to have a link to steering braces? 1500 series also?

www.kennedydiesel.com (http://www.kennedydiesel.com)
www.cognitomotorsports.com (http://www.cognitomotorsports.com)

These are a couple of sites that sell the parts. You won't regret them.:)

Does Dodge or Ford have anything like this!


http://www.allpar.com/old/club03.html

You obviously havent used your little IFS system on muddy ranch roads pulling 8-10k loads needing 4wheel drive.

From my experiences of driving both for years the IFS provides better tread to ground contact and traction. After digging out a few diffrientials and axles you may agree. All you gain with a SFA is stiffness, elevated tire wear, and a large list of other front end problems. I like to keep the stiff suspension in the rear where the truck is loaded. I do however find the factory GM shocks allow a little too much bounce with the IFS. Easily cured with a good set of Bilsteins or other quality shocks.

You obviously havent used your little IFS system on muddy ranch roads pulling 8-10k loads needing 4wheel drive. Thats another thing, the Steering system on our TRUCKS are so week its not even funny.

8-10 k load on a muddy ranch road? HMMMMMMMM. Think I'll get my John Deere. :D

I hear all the talk of how strong the IFS is, and yet all I have to do is jump in my truck and drive it, and hear the clunks coming from the cognito/pitman and that tells me a different story. Sure we can go out and put braces, sleeves,etc, but so could GM. I had to install an aftermarket steering shaft to get rid of that clunk, so while the IFS does ride nicer, I think there is a trade off.

You obviously havent used your little IFS system on muddy ranch roads pulling 8-10k loads needing 4wheel drive. Thats another thing, the Steering system on our TRUCKS are so week its not even funny.

Hmmmm 253k in 17 months beating and banging up and down our pot hole infested highways and my steering has held up just fine.

Also isn't this supposed to be a thread comparing engines?

Would you happen to have a link to steering braces? 1500 series also?

www.exaxt.ca, the kit fixes all issues with the steering.

Re: Dodge front end problems: the front end 4-link + track bar suspension design was pioneered on the Jeep Cherokee and Comanche platforms. The Dodge stuff is basically just bigger.

When the vehicle is properly maintained, then things are generally pretty good. That goes for both the Dodge and GM front ends. GM's inner tie rod ends are stupid weak. But on the Jeep front suspension, I could tweak or break the track bar bolts at will (and I betcha the same problem is with the Dodge, as it was with the older Fords). The stock control arms are a joke too (both Dodge and Jeep).

Personally, I'm weary of this whole IFS/SFA discussion, that's only a small part of that this thread is for - comparing the current Dodge & GM trucks. I've busted (or seen break, and fixed) more than my share of SFA parts! And same goes with the IFS. And SFA can be made to ride as good as any IFS system too.

--Rob

Also which is easier to beef up and do on the trail repair work. Easily SFA. With a SF front end you can practically make it bullet proof, just based on the simplicity of it. You couldn't do that with a IFS setup because theres just too much crap in the way.

Dodge Sucks! buy a Chevy!

And the IFS is great. The steering components sucks no matter what you have IFS or SFA.

Ruben, Do you know how to drive in the mud? I'll take my IFS and walk circles around SFA in the mud anyday. When it comes to rock crawling it's a differnt story.

Since this seems to be a IFS vs. SFA debate, I thought I'd return it back to the 6.7 CTD vs. 6.6 LMM debate. I've been reading on many Dodge boards on the net with multiple people having problems with the 6.7 cutting out of power and dealers not being able to isolate a problem with it. It seems it's doing this during a regen, but if you turn the truck off, it resets itself and can't find any codes. Anyone else know anything about this? One guys cut out while towing up a hill. :eek:

Bro in law is looking at getting a MegaCab 6.7, which I can understand, it's a nice big truck for hauling 3 kids and 30ft camper. Just want to let him know all that's going on with the new diesels today. Chris

You can take the man out of his Dodge, but you can't take the Dodge out of the man. Once you've had one, you'll see what I mean. I lifted mine 2" in the front for 95 bucks, put on some nice 35" Toyo MT tires on the stock 17x8 wheels, Bilstien 5100 shocks. I've got no rub at all in the front when steering, turns so sharp that I can see my tail lights. And the off road ride is really good.

I really like the Duramax motor, it was the truck it was wrapped around I didn't like. Chevy was much faster, better mpg, much nicer to drive on the highway. Dodge just feels SOLID.

You can take the man out of his Dodge, but you can't take the Dodge out of the man. Once you've had one, you'll see what I mean. I lifted mine 2" in the front for 95 bucks, put on some nice 35" Toyo MT tires on the stock 17x8 wheels, Bilstien 5100 shocks. I've got no rub at all in the front when steering, turns so sharp that I can see my tail lights. And the off road ride is really good.

I really like the Duramax motor, it was the truck it was wrapped around I didn't like. Chevy was much faster, better mpg, much nicer to drive on the highway. Dodge just feels SOLID.

Well put!

D/AChris, Which Dodge forum are you reading multiple problems with the 6.7's? I read 3 different ones and found 1 guy that had some problems but the dealer just took care of it in right a way. I have 2500 miles on mine and it's been awesome. Thanks

I really like the Duramax motor, it was the truck it was wrapped around I didn't like. Chevy was much faster, better mpg, much nicer to drive on the highway. Dodge just feels SOLID.

An that is the reason I am in a GM. My truck spends way more time on the pavement pulling trailers. Of course a Crew Cab dually is not really a truck for going off road.:cool:

You can take the man out of his Dodge, but you can't take the Dodge out of the man. Once you've had one, you'll see what I mean. I lifted mine 2" in the front for 95 bucks, put on some nice 35" Toyo MT tires on the stock 17x8 wheels, Bilstien 5100 shocks. I've got no rub at all in the front when steering, turns so sharp that I can see my tail lights. And the off road ride is really good.

I really like the Duramax motor, it was the truck it was wrapped around I didn't like. Chevy was much faster, better mpg, much nicer to drive on the highway. Dodge just feels SOLID.
Well after owning one for a long time now I finally figured out what you dodge guys mean by "solid" truck. And I think its because of the SFA, wich makes you feel every bump and every viberation through the steering wheel and thus into your hands.

GCH, one forum is http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/index.php has a post that seems to be the most credible, others were from people that had only 1 or 2 posts and just trying to start something more than likely. Another was on an RV forum about the DPF plugging up in just 800 miles with ULSD. Can't seem to find it, but I know I read it. My Brother in law just bought a dark silver MC 6.7 CTD with 6spd auto and I must say, it's a very nice truck, interior could use some work (I don't like the solid gray everywhere), may be just the trim level he got. But it's a very capable truck, towing his 30ft, 10K camper he got 10.6 mpg, it's only got 600 miles on it so far. Not bad. And the exhaust brake setup is awesome, barely have to use the brakes to slow down, nice feature. Something I'm going to have to consider later this year when I'm in the market for sure. I love the room in the MegaCabs! Chris

I know what will help MPG's on the 5.9 and 6.7 CTD's

SMARTY!

Thanks D/AChris I believe I did hear about the clogged DPF but hopfully I'll and others will continue to have good service from the 6.7's.

2007 6.7 cab and chassis Dodge. 45,534 miles, no problem with the DPF, no problems at all. The cab and chassis is a different setup than the pickup. Pickup has more hp and more emmissions, 2007 emmissions vs 2010 emmissions. All I have done is change oil and filters and run the truck.

Yeah I heard they're some problems with the new 6.7L too.
It's the 1st year of productions its a given there's going to be bugs to get worked out.
All auto company have this problem with new models.

personally i love my dodge i bought it as a chassis and had a bed put on it was way cheaper than paying 40k for it got it for around 30 k after the bed was put on

i have had a few small problems and they allready called me back 1 time for a reflash i guess a transmission shift point issue

the tranny has been solid and personally wouldnt trade it for an allison

i have not done any work to it yet just have kept it stock while pulling at 55 mph i got 18 mpg and that was just **** imo

i just got an extended cab with the lariet trim i am rather proud of it and i think i made a great choice 18,000 miles since i have had it and she has been a dream my 2 cents

this has been a very informative post, but let it die!!!! start a new one.....

Stick a fork in her!!! she's done! lock it up, throw the key away!!:p:

shoot this is nothing as far as post count hahahahahah

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379539

now thats a post record 1982 posts and 877,544 views lol

good stuff

the biggest thread on the forum i own and operate is about 1124 posts lol

http://www.pbaz.com/forums/index.php

The Mega Cab seems to be more of a passenger truck. That tiny bed really kills it as a work truck for moving large loads. I can't imagine one of these with a fifth wheel in tow....
Ummmm....The Megacab bed is 75.9". Yours is 78.7". Difference = 2.8"

Ummmm....The Megacab bed is 75.9". Yours is 78.7". Difference = 2.8"

And the axle on the Dodge is closer to the cab. Add that to the 2.8" and consider the pin location requirement and you will soon learn why you don't see any pulling a 5th wheel. Even with the rounded corners on my 5er and the pin directly over the axle I can put the front shell 1/2" from the rear window when making a sharp turn. So yes 2.8" and axle placement means a hell of a lot. Like said earlier the Mega Cab is more suited for passenger transport.

A mega-cab would make an excellent crummy however. Tons of passenger room and enough bedspace for a diesel tank, tools, power saws etc..

I have a 5.9L Cummins, modified of course, and i drove both truck of this topic today here are specs

2007.5 GMC 2500 4x4 Crew Cab Short Bed SLT w/ everything except for nav/sunroof. Duramax/Auto, trailer mirrors, brake controller, etc. It was a 50k decked truck.

2007.5 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Mega Cab Short Bed Laramie with everything but nav. Cummins 6.7/6sp Auto, Jake Brake, Tow mirrors.

The truck i am trying to buy is the GMC. The interior is much more refined, The tranny knows what its doing, especially in the city, unlike the Cummins 6sp which wants to be at 1000rpm at 45mph which is not what i want when pulling a trailer.

Im trying to work the payment down. They say the lowest they can go is 46k for the truck which stickers for 50k. Maybe next week i will have my first GMC.

Stick a fork in her!!! she's done! lock it up, throw the key away!!:p:

WTF!!! I never posted this!! although I agree, wasn't my post!:confused:

And the axle on the Dodge is closer to the cab. Add that to the 2.8" and consider the pin location requirement and you will soon learn why you don't see any pulling a 5th wheel. Even with the rounded corners on my 5er and the pin directly over the axle I can put the front shell 1/2" from the rear window when making a sharp turn. So yes 2.8" and axle placement means a hell of a lot. Like said earlier the Mega Cab is more suited for passenger transport.


Great info and point, never know what you could run into huh?:eek:

i test drove a dodge yesterday because people were telling me that i can pick up a dodge for 5000 less than a chevy and that ant true. but here is my opion about the new dodge the 6.7 with a stick feels like it doesnt have enough power but the new 6.7 with 6 speed auto felt a lot better. the prices the are telling my there ant no way i will get a dodge i allways owned a chevy.

I have a 5.9L Cummins, modified of course, and i drove both truck of this topic today here are specs

2007.5 GMC 2500 4x4 Crew Cab Short Bed SLT w/ everything except for nav/sunroof. Duramax/Auto, trailer mirrors, brake controller, etc. It was a 50k decked truck.

2007.5 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Mega Cab Short Bed Laramie with everything but nav. Cummins 6.7/6sp Auto, Jake Brake, Tow mirrors.

The truck i am trying to buy is the GMC. The interior is much more refined, The tranny knows what its doing, especially in the city, unlike the Cummins 6sp which wants to be at 1000rpm at 45mph which is not what i want when pulling a trailer.

Im trying to work the payment down. They say the lowest they can go is 46k for the truck which stickers for 50k. Maybe next week i will have my first GMC.

I bought my New LTZ stickered at 50K for 44K. They can come down a bit more for you. ;)

Don't know if this is of interest to anyone but from a WVO conversion point of view, the Cummins 6.7 appears to be easier to convert than the Duramax LMM. The area around the engine is less crowded and you have access to parts you need to modify. Moreover, the Cummins has a better track record of being WVO friendly.

If I were buying a new truck, I'd probably go with the Cummins 6.7. Too bad, they don't put the Aisin 6-speed behind it for the 2500 and 3500 trucks.

Don't know if this is of interest to anyone but from a WVO conversion point of view, the Cummins 6.7 appears to be easier to convert than the Duramax LMM. The area around the engine is less crowded and you have access to parts you need to modify. Moreover, the Cummins has a better track record of being WVO friendly.

If I were buying a new truck, I'd probably go with the Cummins 6.7. Too bad, they don't put the Aisin 6-speed behind it for the 2500 and 3500 trucks.

I haven't seen anybody attempt a WVO Conversion with the new HPCR fuel systems. It was my understanding that this would not be a very good Idea and would not be good for the high pressure injectors.

I see a few old Merc engines and old cummins engines running the WVO, but nothing newer.

Just curious if anybody has actually done this and how well it worked with HPCR....

I haven't seen anybody attempt a WVO Conversion with the new HPCR fuel systems. It was my understanding that this would not be a very good Idea and would not be good for the high pressure injectors.

I see a few old Merc engines and old cummins engines running the WVO, but nothing newer.

Just curious if anybody has actually done this and how well it worked with HPCR....

I have converted both my 1996 Mercedes and my 2006 Duramax van. Mercedes has 12,000 miles on WVO and Duramax has 6000 miles. Based on what I learned so far running WVO and tuning it, I have come to the conclusion that HPCR systems are actually suitable for WVO conversion. I can't give you all the details since I am considering patenting some of my ideas.

My signature used to advertise my conversion but I removed it. Don't want IRS and EPA Nazis tracking me down because I have a WVO conversion.

My bro-in-law is a mechanic for the forest service. He has told me that the first four they have gotten have had problems so far. He's not impressed by the lack of dependability, but said that they are a powerhouse of a diesel.

I have converted both my 1996 Mercedes and my 2006 Duramax van. Mercedes has 12,000 miles on WVO and Duramax has 6000 miles. Based on what I learned so far running WVO and tuning it, I have come to the conclusion that HPCR systems are actually suitable for WVO conversion. I can't give you all the details since I am considering patenting some of my ideas.

My signature used to advertise my conversion but I removed it. Don't want IRS and EPA Nazis tracking me down because I have a WVO conversion.


Thats cool. Glad to see someone has done this.

I would imagine that filtering and having the cleanest possible oil would be the most important thing regarding reliability.

why does anyone want to drive that damn tug boat motor around? That noise inside the cab... when you try to get some mileage and rip out the entire exhaust... Is excruciating. No really I've driven to el paso from houston. After 7 hrs... I was beging to trade my buddies truck in. Oh yeah his pump went out after 35K miles...but it runs fine. $2700.00 later

Maybe I missed it, but the fact that I don't see a 4.10 option for the GMC vs. available for the Dodge would make me want to think things over.

In the market for a new truck, toss up between the GMC and Dodge at the moment... will probably wait until September.

I am hoping that they would put the Aisin tranny behind the Cummins 6.7 on 2500 and 3500 trucks.

I'm waiting on that.

But if you really need to buy a new truck now, I think the Duramax/Allison is still the better choice.

4.10 gears don't do anything for pulling power actually, they just change shift points, and lower fuel economy. get the 3.73 no matter what. the 4.10 is a joke. Ask the for guys how they like their 6.4's with deep gearing and ask about fuel mileage.

If you can't pull your load in the gear you want, get a mild programer, but to give up fuel economy for a deep gear that you will only use on the steepest of hills in the mountains is stupid. JMO.

Well ok, so GMC isn't offering a 4.10, that doesn't mean it's useless. The way it maps to the 68RFE on the Dodge caught my eye that's all. If all the math I've seen is right for the Dodge (yes I know, not a Dodge forum please bear with me) the 6.7 + 68RFE w/ 3.73 turns ~1700rpm @ 70mph, and ~1900rpm for the 4.10. Specifically for the new Dodge I can't see that there would be that much of a difference fuel-wise.

I'm new to the D/A forums, can you point me in the right direction for the 6-speed Allison specs? I'd be particularly interested in the reverse gear, the one on the 68RFE is a creeper...

You know what, never mind... after reading all the horror story threads at Diesel Register on all the TSB flash issues for the CTD 6.7, I think I see a GMC in my future.

Too bad for Dodge, am currently driving one and was looking at the Rams. Looks pretty shaky over there.

You know what, never mind... after reading all the horror story threads at Diesel Register on all the TSB flash issues for the CTD 6.7, I think I see a GMC in my future.

Too bad for Dodge, am currently driving one and was looking at the Rams. Looks pretty shaky over there.


while it may look shaky now, I wouldnt get too worried, its the first year for a new motor and new emmisions systems, there are bound to be bugs worked out, and at least they arnt starting fires! Even the big rigs are having problems, I know of alot of techs that hate the new Cat motors, and I've heard EGR issues out of the cummins camp, so its a learning curve for just about everyone.

well im not going to go back and read 36 back pages on this subject but i took a buddys of mine new CTD out for a lil ride and i was highley unempressed. the new 6 speed auto it horrible the shift points are way off. it jerks and shimmys. plus the horrible ride stayed the same and the motor felt like it had less power.. plus the fuel millage dropped from the previous year almost 4 mpg. oh yeah the seats are really really stiff.. dang sure glad i have a bowtie.

Starting to sound like one of those "I was driving a dodge and the steering wheel fell off, then the tailgate bent into a taco, the seats burst into flames, oh and all this happened while I was just driving around the block!" type things. You know, one of those posts where EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE THING is completely wrong with the truck, it's total junk, etc etc.

I know all about those posts-we get them on dodge forums about fords and gm's too. You say the new 6 speed is horrible...funny I've yet to hear of an actual owner say that. Is it even remotely possible you might have driven a truck with something wrong with it? I mean, when someone on a dodge forum says they drove a chevy and it was a turd and couldn't pull a lawnmower and rode like crap and the radio sucked, etc etc, I tend to think they're either exaggerating or just want to jump on the "I'm sure glad I got a dodge" bandwagon.

Thats a nasty Dodge you are driving!! I agree that there is always someone who hates every other truck but the one they own. I Think each of these trucks have there own pros and cons. You need to match the truck to your application.

As for the emmission issues, well that is now the world we live in and it is only going to get worse! The price we pay for having clean air for our kids.

Thanks, I appreciate it. I often drive our '06 SRW 3500, which is stone stock. I'll avoid racing a duramax like the plague, even stock. I don't race it much anyway, but if I did it would be another dodge or a ford. Might as well just concede the race to a duramax unless something is wrong with it. The dually in my signature is a different story, but I know enough to respect the gm's.

while it may look shaky now, I wouldnt get too worried, its the first year for a new motor and new emmisions systems, there are bound to be bugs worked out, and at least they arnt starting fires! Even the big rigs are having problems, I know of alot of techs that hate the new Cat motors, and I've heard EGR issues out of the cummins camp, so its a learning curve for just about everyone.

Well, to be fair, the more research I do the more I see just how much of the new CTD drivetrain needs to be reflashed. ECM flash, TCM flash, dancing around a headless chicken etc. You may have just driven one that hadn't been through all the TSB song and dance yet.

I shouldn't be making rash judgements, as others have pointed out the new EPA boondoggle has all the manufacturers scrambling to jump through the new hoops. Buying a new model year this year is going to be an iffy proposition IMHO. Of all I have researched, the GMC seems to have the fewest issues because the LMM focuses on particulates only and won't implement the new NOx reqs until needed in 2010.

Suffice to say, holding onto my money and collecting interest while I watch the bleeding edge bleed out is going to be my strategy. If I had to buy something RIGHT NOW I'd probably go with an '07 LBZ setup. I can wait.

Cummins 6.7 meets 2010 emission requirements NOW.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/articlelive/articles/38/1/Issue-56---67-HP-CR---67-HPCR-Engine-Meets-2010-Emissions/Page1.html

This means that the Cummins 6.7 would be a better choice long term. This means that there will be minimal changes to the engine in 2010. This means we don't have to worry about all the new 2010 emissions crap that will be introduced (think Urea injection). Cummins 6.7 will still be the same engine in 2010 while GM will have to totally reengineer the Duramax. Dodge will have a few years head start to try to fix the bugs on the Cummins 6.7 while GM would be struggling with fixing the bugs in a new engine in 2010.

I can't believe this thread is still going. I'm still hanging on to my story though. Chrysler is on it's last legs so who even knows if they will be around in 2010. It would only take Toyota or Nissan to come out with a credible truck to take Dodge's lowly market share and that would be the final nail. Buy them all you want at your own risk but not mine. Also realize that the market share that they have is due in many parts to their very low price. How long can you do that for?

i guess that dodge can do it for awhile- since they have put over 1.5 million cummins engines in their trucks. my 04.5 is the most rock solid truck i have ever owned- i have owned all three. 87,000 miles on her- it has been to the dealer once- for a tsb on weather stripping. not one rattle or squeak. truck is well taken care of-but it is driven hard. truck is also not stock- once again- not one problem!!

one more thing coolbreeze- i remember not too many years ago when harley was on their last legs. my dad told me to buy their stock. greatest move i ever did- the last two trucks i have bought and my new house i built- were all paid in cash!!-thanks to harley's fantastic turn around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe this thread is still going. I'm still hanging on to my story though. Chrysler is on it's last legs so who even knows if they will be around in 2010. It would only take Toyota or Nissan to come out with a credible truck to take Dodge's lowly market share and that would be the final nail. Buy them all you want at your own risk but not mine. Also realize that the market share that they have is due in many parts to their very low price. How long can you do that for?

I don't know about the states but in my part of the world Dodge has a much bigger market share than you give them credit for. The interesting thing is we don't even have a Dodge dealer in my town. Just 1 GM dealer. I'd say all three (ford, dodge, GM) are about dead even where I live. Having used them for work trucks I must say that like em or not they are pretty tough. I've seen them get the piss beat out of them day in and day out and just keep on comeing.

I'm new to the D/A forums, can you point me in the right direction for the 6-speed Allison specs? I'd be particularly interested in the reverse gear, the one on the 68RFE is a creeper...Allison Spec's. (http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Transmissions/2007%20Automatics/07%20Allison%201000%20Series_MW7%20GMT900.xls) How does the MW7 reverse ratio of 4.49 compare with Dodge?

More links for the 6.6 and Allison spec's here: Shows LBZ and LLY, scroll down for LMM. (http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07truck.htm#DURAMAXDIESEL66LV8TURBO)

Look at what the hotshotters are running. That'll tell you a bunch about what keeps running without trouble. I know what I see hotshotters running the most...

Funny thing about marketshare...a lot more gm's and fords have been sold than dodges. I mean, some ford and gm guys take any opportunity to reiterate this. Now, how many trucks of what brand do you see or hear about making a million miles? How about 750k? Before someone starts with a bunch of dumb**** about "the motors are great but the rest of the truck is junk", please remember this simple fact: For a truck to make a million miles, the whole truck must make it. A dead truck with a good engine will result in a lower mileage truck getting the good engine-no million mile miracle there. Remembering this tip will work wonders in the prevention of foot-in-mouth disease.

Admittedly, very few pickups of any brand make that kind of mileage, at least without a rebuilt engine. BUT, like I said, of the ones that do...look at what percentage of them are gm, ford, and dodge. Then, look at what marketshare the various trucks held. After all, some folks love nothing more than to crow about marketshare. I suspect they don't generally envision it being referenced in quite this way though.

Not knocking gm or the duramax, but sometimes a reality check is needed-no offense intended.

Well, you will almost never ever see a HPCR engine go 1 million miles TBO.

all it takes is one injector to stick open and it's all over. :(

That is the reality. The most likely candidates to make a million miles are the mechanically injected trucks.

In my opinion of course.

You may be right, but I have seen two hpcr motors over 500k. One was an '05 with 513k, and the other was an '03 with 530-something k. Both were dodges, and both were in pretty darn good cosmetic shape. These were for sale on ebay by the way, so nobody was just bragging, as the high mileage devalues the truck. I think one reason we haven't seen any 1 million mile cr motors is that they simply have not had the time to be driven that far. Same reason you don't see many if any 1 million mile duramaxes-they've only been out since 2001. My bet is that if any significant number of cr motors in pickups make that mileage, they'll be cummins motors. I know that may sound inflammatory and all that, but I'm simply basing it on what we've seen so far. I could well be wrong there, but based on history, that's what we'll see.

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=157090

The local Toyota dealer says they will have a diesel next year/./.....

According to a guy in the Diesel Turbo Register forum, the Cummins 6.7 is not suitable for reprogramming to higher HP and Torque because of its "Siamese" bores. The siamese bores creates unequal heating of the cylinder walls resulting in uneven expansion. Creating too much heat by reprogramming will result in uneven expansion resulting in uneven stresses and wear on the cylinder walls, pistons and rings.

He appears to be a expert in this area since he keeps in close contact with one of the Cummins Design engineer.

Also, Dodge seems to be struggling with creating the right programming for its DPF. Many people are getting plugged DPFs and limping the engine due to the fact that the DPF is not getting regenerated on schedule.

I visited the site once and I read a lot of complaints. Seems to have more complaints than the LMM forum here.

According to a guy in the Diesel Turbo Register forum, the Cummins 6.7 is not suitable for reprogramming to higher HP and Torque because of its "Siamese" bores. The siamese bores creates unequal heating of the cylinder walls resulting in uneven expansion. Creating too much heat by reprogramming will result in uneven expansion resulting in uneven stresses and wear on the cylinder walls, pistons and rings.

He appears to be a expert in this area since he keeps in close contact with one of the Cummins Design engineer.

Also, Dodge seems to be struggling with creating the right programming for its DPF. Many people are getting plugged DPFs and limping the engine due to the fact that the DPF is not getting regenerated on schedule.

I visited the site once and I read a lot of complaints. Seems to have more complaints than the LMM forum here.

Like I said... holding onto my money until at least September. Possibly longer.

I have now owned seven GMC/Chevy pickups with the independent front suspension. I've not had a single problem with any of them. How is this an issue? Bill Martin

It's an issue if you're a ford or dodge guy looking for something to blow out of proportion and rag on gm for.

:funnypost but true. :D Mike

I also heard this also, the Aisin is available only with the chassis cabs, the 3/4/ 1 ton trucks will be available with a 6 speed auto called 68re Orion if I'm not mistaken.

this is correct the new trany that dodge is going with may not have been in dodge's long but have been around and is said buy many to be almost exactly like the allision if not as good better. if you want to know about the new 6.7 look at the threads on www.cumminsforums.com (http://www.cumminsforums.com) theres alot about the goods and bads whats still the same and whats new. every bosy has an oppinion on what they like i personally like the look of a dodge better than i do a chevy( i have owned both) and as far as stock power goes i have drove both loaded and can not tell any difference other then the chevy is quieter the dodge gets better fuel milage the chevy rides better the dodge dont squat as bad with heavy loads the chevy had push botton 4wd the dodge had the lever and i had about equall amount of probs out of both. i dont favor either truck and i think that the truck will treat you as good as you treat it

The local Toyota dealer says they will have a diesel next year/./.....

yeah i heard there going with cat

According to a guy in the Diesel Turbo Register forum, the Cummins 6.7 is not suitable for reprogramming to higher HP and Torque because of its "Siamese" bores. The siamese bores creates unequal heating of the cylinder walls resulting in uneven expansion. Creating too much heat by reprogramming will result in uneven expansion resulting in uneven stresses and wear on the cylinder walls, pistons and rings.

He appears to be a expert in this area since he keeps in close contact with one of the Cummins Design engineer.

Also, Dodge seems to be struggling with creating the right programming for its DPF. Many people are getting plugged DPFs and limping the engine due to the fact that the DPF is not getting regenerated on schedule.

I visited the site once and I read a lot of complaints. Seems to have more complaints than the LMM forum here.Siamese blocks are stronger than non siamese, atleast on gas engines. I don't see how diesel could be any diffefent.

It's an issue if you're a ford or dodge guy looking for something to blow out of proportion and rag on gm for.

:exactly:

Yes it is said that Siamese blocks are stronger. That is not a downside. Coolant circulation is the problem. Siamesed blocks can't dissipate heat equally from the cylinders. Hotter tune/hotter cylinders and possible hot spots or increased wear.

Wow, that was a fun read!

I'm not brand loyal by any means and have owned a '05 Ford 6.0, a '06 Dodge 5.9 and now a 07.5 LMM. I don't miss the Ford at all, but the Dodge was a nice truck. The interior styling on the Dodge is a little dated and the Laramie package doesn't give you as many bells and whistles as a LTZ, but I like the Dodge stance and steering better. The Dodge did ride a bit rougher and the 5.9 with e 4 speed auto is not match for the LMM/Allison performance wise (in stock form).

At this point I don't think any one really know what the long term reliability will be with any of these new '07 EPA compliant engines will be.
I chose the Dmax because I made an educated guess that it will have less problems in the short term, but who really knows. Luckily I'm not one to keep a truck for ever so as long as it last up to 60k miles I will be happy.

One thing that some of the Dodge guys seem to harp on is how solid the truck is. I know for a fact that the 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks have had frame issues that led to a lot of outfitters refusing to install aftermarket flat beds on these trucks. This is the reason Dodge came out with a dedicated cab and chassis. I actuall changed over from Dodge 1 tons to Chevys in '05 to pull my enclosed 5th wheel trailers with because of this issue.

My buddy has a new Dodge Dually 6.7 with a 6 speed. It's a towing beast! The exhaust brake is a REALLY nice feature. He's had is DPF replaced already (12k miles). It moves his 4 car trailer around with ease. His truck is pretty plain compared to mine and I almost bought the Dodge because I was so impressed with it's ability, but $ for $ and trim level vs. trim level, I saw more value in the Chevy. I absolutely love my truck but there are things I really like about the new 6.7 Dodge. We'll see how my truck does with the 4 car hauler behind it

dodge trucks suck ass. Buy a chevy. hell buy a ford, as much as i hate saying it. atleast they're owned by americans.

dodge trucks suck ass. Buy a chevy. hell buy a ford, as much as i hate saying it. atleast they're owned by americans.

Bah!

My Dodge was built in Hecho Mexico, and iwould place a wager that it has more parts content made in the USA in it than either the Ford or the GM.

But that argument as Mackin would say is like picking fly poop out of pepper.

Ya got two options..... build what you want or buy from the big three. Nothing is perfect, buy what makes YOU happy.

dodge trucks suck ass. Buy a chevy. hell buy a ford, as much as i hate saying it. atleast they're owned by americans.


Been to the proctologist latly? I forsee a visit in your future.:rolleyes:

Man..............ur not funny. Question for you. Does daimler still own chrysler?


Been to the proctologist latly? I forsee a visit in your future.:rolleyes:

dodge trucks suck ass. Buy a chevy. hell buy a ford, as much as i hate saying it. atleast they're owned by americans.

LMAO, I loved my Duramax until it blew up! Now I'm parting out a motor that says BOSH and ISUZU all over it. What are you talking about???

We live in an interdependent world and non of these trucks are 100% American made or assembled.

Man..............ur not funny. Question for you. Does daimler still own chrysler?

Only 20% for the time being.

Man..............ur not funny. Question for you. Does daimler still own chrysler?


So thats your excuse? Because big name business's are not what or who they were when they started out? Question for you............does it really matter? All i see that matters is the QC is getting better.

dodge trucks suck ass. Buy a chevy. hell buy a ford, as much as i hate saying it. atleast they're owned by americans.

who do you propose make the duramax. this guy asked for educated opinions the smart ass lobby is down the hall!!!

LMAO, I loved my Duramax until it blew up! Now I'm parting out a motor that says BOSH and ISUZU all over it. What are you talking about???

We live in an interdependent world and non of these trucks are 100% American made or assembled.

you are exactly rite, i feal your pain i would go out of my way to buy american made but its almost impossible anymore its so cheap to get foreign labor

dodge is owned by daimler. daimler is german. when you buy that dodge, the money goes to germany. sure the workers wages are recirculated in our economy, but most of the money goes overseas. Sure chevy and ford have foreign made parts, they all do. but at the end of the day, the bulk of the money stays here. sure they pay money out to the tier one suppliers in forgien countries. but most of it stays here, in america, where i live and work. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like Dodge should buy it's name back...don't ya think? Or, are they just waiting for the Germans to bail them out'a debt a little first? ):h

Yes it matters. This country is being taken over by foreign companies. all these folks buying these cars from over seas are f***ing the american economy. that money goes over there. wherever there may be. 99CUMMINS08- SMART ASS LOBBY? Not a smart ass at all. i just realize something that you don't.






9;2017862;]So thats your excuse? Because big name business's are not what or who they were when they started out? Question for you............does it really matter? All i see that matters is the QC is getting better.[/quote]

dodge is owned by daimler. daimler is german. when you buy that dodge, the money goes to germany. sure the workers wages are recirculated in our economy, but most of the money goes overseas. Sure chevy and ford have foreign made parts, they all do. but at the end of the day, the bulk of the money stays here. sure they pay money out to the tier one suppliers in forgien countries. but most of it stays here, in america, where i live and work. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


uhh... where have you been? Dodge is no longer owned by Daimler -- it is 100% American owned, privately held company.

didn't know that. don't think anyone did. cause your the first to say it. if thats true, then i have no ground stand on. i'm buying one tomorrow. j/k. but i just hope that americans do understand what i was saying about the foreign car makers.

[quote=CORNDUCTOR;2018865;]Yes it matters. This country is being taken over by foreign companies. all these folks buying these cars from over seas are f***ing the american economy. that money goes over there. wherever there may be. 99CUMMINS08- SMART ASS LOBBY? Not a smart ass at all. i just realize something that you don't.quote]



And somehow i feel if i came to your house and started flipping over clothing, tools, parts, furniture,toys and other everyday items not all would say MADE IN USA. Or does it only matter as long as you drive USA built products? Or atleast somewhat USA built?

I do my best to buy US goods.:thumb:

But somwtimes today not everything can be.

Obviously I didn't read all 41 pages here so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but I drove 3 Dodge 3500 6.7/auto duallys before I bought my LMM. The dealer said Dodge had been running the 6.7 for 3 years of R & D before releasing it but, after driving 3 of them, I think they need another 3 years of R & D. None of the ones I drove even came close to the stock LMM's power, on take-off or at speed.

Obviously I didn't read all 41 pages here so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but I drove 3 Dodge 3500 6.7/auto duallys before I bought my LMM. The dealer said Dodge had been running the 6.7 for 3 years of R & D before releasing it but, after driving 3 of them, I think they need another 3 years of R & D. None of the ones I drove even came close to the stock LMM's power, on take-off or at speed.

Must be that .3 second faster 0-70 time. But then again the dodge is .2 something faster in the 1/4 mile.:rolleyes:

Must be that .3 second faster 0-70 time. But then again the dodge is .2 something faster in the 1/4 mile.:rolleyes:

Until you put a 10K behind the Dodge. Then the Chevy is .6 faster.

Obviously I didn't read all 41 pages here so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but I drove 3 Dodge 3500 6.7/auto duallys before I bought my LMM. The dealer said Dodge had been running the 6.7 for 3 years of R & D before releasing it but, after driving 3 of them, I think they need another 3 years of R & D. None of the ones I drove even came close to the stock LMM's power, on take-off or at speed.
I heard the same words from a guy I used to work with. He has a new lmm too.

Well after owning 2 Dodges that literally fell apart around the engine I will never go back. The one thing I hated most about Dodge is once you drive off the lot customer service goes down the tube. Once out of warranty it's gets even worst as things that once held together starts to fall apart on a continuous basis.

What really seems funny over at the TDR is the way the reliability of the old 12v gets applied to the 24v and 6.7. Hell even the 24v wasn't the engine the 12v was, much less the 6.7. Also seems that every Dodge truck discussion gets shifted over to a Cummins discussion as soon as it becomes apparent how sorry the Dodge is. Very few 6.7's have seen their first oil change yet all we here is how mighty the Cummins is. I personally can't see the logic in this since I had way more problems with both my Cummins equipped trucks. On the other side of the coin both my DMax/Allison trucks have been totally problem free.

As far as fuel economy and reliability of EGR and DPF equipped engines the DMax is far ahead of both the Cummins and Powerstroke who just can't seem to get things right. Simply put the DMax/6 speed Allison combo is now the better choice in all aspects.

Well after owning 2 Dodges that literally fell apart around the engine I will never go back. The one thing I hated most about Dodge is once you drive off the lot customer service goes down the tube. Once out of warranty it's gets even worst as things that once held together starts to fall apart on a continuous basis.

What really seems funny over at the TDR is the way the reliability of the old 12v gets applied to the 24v and 6.7. Hell even the 24v wasn't the engine the 12v was, much less the 6.7. Also seems that every Dodge truck discussion gets shifted over to a Cummins discussion as soon as it becomes apparent how sorry the Dodge is. Very few 6.7's have seen their first oil change yet all we here is how mighty the Cummins is. I personally can't see the logic in this since I had way more problems with both my Cummins equipped trucks. On the other side of the coin both my DMax/Allison trucks have been totally problem free.

As far as fuel economy and reliability of EGR and DPF equipped engines the DMax is far ahead of both the Cummins and Powerstroke who just can't seem to get things right. Simply put the DMax/6 speed Allison combo is now the better choice in all aspects.


I have nothing but luck with all the dealerships i deal with. Hell 9 months ago i didnt know any of them, now i know most everybody there by name, and no its not because my truck is falling apart.:D :rolleyes:

And fyi there are 6.7's which have anyhere from 1200-123000 on the ticker. In fact i know somebody who has one who shows horses with my parents she has one with 97k and the only issue has been the DPF and the regen cycle.

And fyi there are 6.7's which have anyhere from 1200-123000 on the ticker. In fact i know somebody who has one who shows horses with my parents she has one with 97k and the only issue has been the DPF and the regen cycle.

well when are you getting one since they're so great?


seems dodge is still 20% german


All that changed on May 14 when another mustachioed C.E.O., Dieter Zetsche of DaimlerChrysler, announced he was selling Chrysler to Cerberus for $7.4 billion. (Daimler is retaining a 20 percent stake.) It marked the historic end of the German carmaker’s cross-cultural business experiment and the return of an American icon to U.S. soil.

To the general public, though, Cerberus has been just another shadowy buyer of companies in an already overpopulated field. The firm’s purchases include a grab bag of brands that lurk on the edge of consumer consciousness: Fila sporting goods, Mervyn’s department stores, Alamo and National rental cars, Air Canada, the GMAC lending arm of General Motors.


Now since this topic is sooo far off topic so lets try to steer it back on topic. :D

Well, the original point with the Dodge guys is the Cummins is a better motor and will out last the Duramax. . The Duramax had some initial teething pain with injectors in the begining, some LLY's had overheat issues as well. Dodge has some injector issues also with the HPCR systems when introduced.Today there are 2001-2006 Duramax's with 350-750,000 miles showing up on the odometer so I would have to say that the Duramax has proven itself to be just as reliable as the Cummins. Now as far as which one is easier to work on that goes to the Dodge 5.9, but I think the 6.7 has leveled that field out a little bit too.
Also what I feel is important and don't anyone take this the wrong way is that the Duramax had issues but the engineers didn't sit back and do nothing they made improvements. Injectors were warranteed longer for 2001-2003. Overheat issues were addressed in the LLY's and I think the LBZ's and LMM's are one kick ass engines. On the other hand Dodge had awful auto tranny's for a very long time, and ball joint issues which still seem to show up on the 06-07 trucks. This isn't a dig at Dodge it just my opinion that GM seems too be a little faster to correct problems. I know about the steering clunk with GM but I don't put that in the same catagory as trannies/balljoints. :)

well when are you getting one since they're so great?


:D

I didnt know i had to buy one just because i thought they were great? I was making a point that there are more 6.7's out there that have more then met their first oil change.

Bulldogger, If your going to bring up the old tranny problems of the Dodge then you need to mention the old GM diesels which were the horrible. The LLY issues have never been fixed I know several folks and others from forums that are still having the same problems and GM does not have a fix for the overheating. As far as who has the better truck it's all personal prefferance. Cummins has the only medium duty engine in a light duty truck and that is a fact. The 6.7 is having a few problems as are GM and Ford but is expected with the new EPA garbage. Allison makes the best tranny IMO and I own the New Dodge but the new 6 speed auto is very nice with the EB is awesome but it needs a few more year of reliability before comparing it to the Allison. My 6.7 Dodge has been great towing and daily driving and have not had any problems and before buying I drove all three and the Dodge won for me. The D/A may be a little faster but if I want to race someone I would buy a sports car. I tow a 11K 5th wheel with my family and the Dodge Megacab DRW fits my needs just right. I think all three will serve you fine with many years of good service and they are all on a pretty level playing field. Thanks

GCH,
I wouldn't call it old tranny problems. 2007 is the first year for the 6spd auto and a fix for the automatic. 48re's weren't alot better then the 47re. What is so important about the medium duty label on a Cummins? what exactly does it mean in real terms. Duramax engines are in medium duty trucks and lasting past 350,000 miles which is the life expectancy of a Cummins. If both engines last for 350-500,000 what does the medium duty label prove or have to do with any type of relevance.

GCH,
I wouldn't call it old tranny problems. 2007 is the first year for the 6spd auto and a fix for the automatic. 48re's weren't alot better then the 47re. What is so important about the medium duty label on a Cummins? what exactly does it mean in real terms. Duramax engines are in medium duty trucks and lasting past 350,000 miles which is the life expectancy of a Cummins. If both engines last for 350-500,000 what does the medium duty label prove or have to do with any type of relevance.

Maybe not much but the 48re IS better then the 47re. As far as the medium duty label there is a difference and it does matter. Take kubota for example, they put a 22hp diesel in compact tractor, then they put that same engine in a sub compact tractor. Which will last longer with everything being the same? The motor in the subcompact tractor of course. We can argue the 350k mile life back and forth. The fact is there is more dodge's out there with high miles then the duramax. And yes it has been out longer, but dosent that prove reliability?

Inline,
I'm not saying the Cummins isn't reliable, just what does the medium duty label mean and how does it matter. If both engines (Duramax / Cummins) have the same life expectancy in the same or similar applications how does it matter. If my Cummins buys the farm at 300,000 and my Duramax dies at 300,000 what did the medium duty rating give me other then some bragging rights?? :)

Maybe not much but the 48re IS better then the 47re. As far as the medium duty label there is a difference and it does matter. Take kubota for example, they put a 22hp diesel in compact tractor, then they put that same engine in a sub compact tractor. Which will last longer with everything being the same? The motor in the subcompact tractor of course. We can argue the 350k mile life back and forth. The fact is there is more dodge's out there with high miles then the duramax. And yes it has been out longer, but dosent that prove reliability?

Well I guess the Allison would be a better transmission than the 48re and Asian since it's the only transmission of the big three classified as medium duty..... As far as high miles the Cummins should have more highway miles than the Duramax since it's been out years longer. Doesn't prove a thing. If you're refering to the sponsored million mile Dodge that had 3 overhauls, several trannies along with a healthy list of other drive train and body parts I would still give the nod to the 750,000 mile Dmax that continues to run on the original drive train......;)
Unless you have had both trucks sitting in your driveway you really have no right to compare. I can enlighten you on Dodge reliability, or maybe the long term cost of keeping them reliable.........:rolleyes:

Inline,
I'm not saying the Cummins isn't reliable, just what does the medium duty label mean and how does it matter. If both engines (Duramax / Cummins) have the same life expectancy in the same or similar applications how does it matter. If my Cummins buys the farm at 300,000 and my Duramax dies at 300,000 what did the medium duty rating give me other then some bragging rights?? :)

Im not arguing with you or saying your wrong. Im just trying to show why people use the medium duty argument.;) I mean if the duramax was medium duty and the cummins was light duty wouldnt duramax owners be using it to.:D

Well I guess the Allison would be a better transmission than the 48re and Asian since it's the only transmission of the big three classified as medium duty..... As far as high miles the Cummins should have more highway miles than the Duramax since it's been out years longer. Doesn't prove a thing. If you're refering to the sponsored million mile Dodge that had 3 overhauls, several trannies along with a healthy list of other drive train and body parts I would still give the nod to the 750,000 mile Dmax that continues to run on the original drive train......;)
Unless you have had both trucks sitting in your driveway you really have no right to compare. I can enlighten you on Dodge reliability, or maybe the long term cost of keeping them reliable.........:rolleyes:

Last time i checked dodge didnt have to be sponsred to hit 1 million miles. And i didnt even know about a sponsored dodge to hit that mileage, i am talking about trucks that have hit it also with no overhauls and on a unmolested trans.:rolleyes: Aand how can longevity, mileage and a reputation for lasting not prove a thing? Seems most people buy what they want based off of info like this. You logic is a little more then skewed.


So i have no right to compare because i dont have the trucks in my driveway? Then why dont you tell that to more then 3/4 of this board? Between me and my dad we have had 4 dodge diesel equipped trucks with about 570k between all of them. And not once were we ever stranded anywhere or had to call somebody to take us home. I would even venture into saying, of those 570k miles 380k+ the trucks had more then 18k behind them. The only thing i will grant you is i will buy a duramax before i buy a powerstroke. But i guess even though i never owned a PSD im allowed to compare it because its not the brand you like.:rolleyes:

INLINE,
In all fairness the older Dodges have the advantage in longevity because they didn't use HPCR systems. Newer Dodges and Duramaxes are more prone to devistating damage because of HPCR, all it takes is one stuck injector and it's game over. But I would put the two on a very level playing field with the advantage to Dodge based on labeling:D
My last Dodge was a 2001 2500 5.9 quad cab with the suicide door. I used it in alot easier then the truck in my signiture which has never been on the scales under 22,000 combine, and with the new 5ver will be closer to 26,000. The problem was it just didn't hold up well rear axle bearings went in 18,000 miles, and tranny and transfer case were toast at 40,000. It may have been that particular truck, but my 2003 and now my 2006 have been worked much harder and heavier without any issues, other then the intermediate shaft. My 06 is at 30,000 all towing even in hundred and 115* heat and never had a problem. It probably comes down to luck of the draw or that Monday/Friday build.

what duramax had 750,000Miles on it? i'm curious.

what duramax had 750,000Miles on it? i'm curious.

Well it looks to be closer to 727,000. At those kind of miles who's counting. Link Below. There's also a link to the 200K mile club in the thread.

Inline6359 please feel free to post information about the million mile Dodges you claim. Stating the original power train of course...:p:

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172878

Here's where the mileage was last year.

http://www.chevy200k.com/gallery/detail.php?id=8ec58282

Bulldogger,
I agree with you on the GM and Dodge being on level playing fields right now. I've owned an 04 and now the 07 Dodge diesels and from my experience they have exceeded all of my exspectations. Before I've owned nothing but GM and Ford and 1 old Dodge P/U in the late 80's and that thing was junk. But the newer Dodge trucks are built much better than the older models and that's what most people remember about Dodge trucks when they refer to them as the engine holds up but the rest of the truck falls apart which is not the case anymore. My Fords and my latest 03 Chevy 2500HD were good trucks but just had problems with small things going wrong were believe it or not my 2 Dodge trucks have been more reliable with fewer visits to the dealer. Would I own a new D/A? You bet they are very nice trucks and the interior is better than the Dodge IMO. But I buy my trucks to work and tow with and don't want or need the leather int. with all the bells and whisles, besides the last Ford I had the leather seats lasted 3 years before they started showing there age were the cloth seems to last better IMO. Before buying my new truck I drove all three and fell in love with the new Megacab Cummins and with the great service my 04 provided I decided to buy the Dodge. BTW the new Megacab's are not cheaper than the GM or Ford but more expensive. I say buy what you like.

Must be that .3 second faster 0-70 time. But then again the dodge is .2 something faster in the 1/4 mile.:rolleyes:

where do you find this? I have yet to see a stock CTD (5.9 or 6.7) run low 15's.

where do you find this? I have yet to see a stock CTD (5.9 or 6.7) run low 15's.


I haven't seen a stock CTD do that either.

million mile dodges?? they are out there-just look. this is just the brief article on this one- do a more defined search and you will see that the original drive train made it to almost 900,000 miles before he replaced the tranny.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/04/03/chrysler-ceo-calls-owner-of-million-mile-dodge-ram/

Neither of my Dodges had a 200 MPH Speedo. And neither had 160 MPH printed twice on the speedometer.

Even if there is a couple of million mile Dodges out there I can promise you they aren't running on the same powertrain. I'll pass on the search though. No longer interested in Dodge enough to do one.

million mile dodges?? they are out there-just look. this is just the brief article on this one- do a more defined search and you will see that the original drive train made it to almost 900,000 miles before he replaced the tranny.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/04/03/chrysler-ceo-calls-owner-of-million-mile-dodge-ram/

Million miles. Who cares. The only way I would drive any vehicle that long ( not counting OTR trucks. ) is if I was haulinRV's or something like that. Even still, I would have to put 250,000 on per year before I would drive a vehicle that long.

JMHO.

where do you find this? I have yet to see a stock CTD (5.9 or 6.7) run low 15's.


http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2007/shootout/hdshootout4milan.html


From this very test that was raved about on this website. And who said antyhing about running a 15? I never once stated the time, just the difference.

funny-how you said there is not any out there-wanting to see proof- now you discount them. well, this one made it to 940,000 miles on its original drive train.. read the article- many original parts still on this truck-including injectors!!!!

http://dailystandard.com/date/2002/12/19/news/headline1.htm

http://www.pickuptruck.com/IMAGES/stories/2003shootout/ricardo.gif2007 Dodge Ram 3500 Quad Cab 6.7-L I6 4x4 DRW 6-speed auto 4.10 2008 Ford F-350 Super Duty Crew Cab 6.4-L V8 4x4 5-speed auto 3.732007 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 Crew Cab 6.6-L V8 4x4 6-speed auto 3.73 0 to 30 mph 2.62 s 3.30 s 3.09 s 0 to 40 mph 4.20 s 4.78 s 4.24 s 0 to 50 mph 6.14 s 6.96 s 6.06 s 0 to 60 mph 8.62 s 9.58 s 8.48 s 0 to 70 mph 11.72 s 12.80 s 11.42 s 0 to 80 mph 16.56 s 17.50 s 15.20 s 1/4-Mile Time 16.96 s 18.02 s 17.32 s 1/4-Mile Speed 80.70 mph 81.03 mph 84.38 mph

Dodge 4.10 against Chevy 3.73 and Chevy had faster times from 50 and above. The numbers speak for themselves........

OK, so the graph didn't copy right but you can look at the link to see it right

i did not buy my dodge cummins to be the fastest truck out there. i can appreciate that the d-max engine has come along way and is a good engine. makes me wonder why most members here have to slam the cummins motor. reading any of the diesel mags ( diesel power, diesel tech) every month- you can see ford owners and chevy owners of older trucks swapping in cummins motors-but you never see ford owners swapping in d-max motors, chevy guys swapping in psd motors or dodge guys in swapping psd or d-max motors-go figure!!

i did not buy my dodge cummins to be the fastest truck out there. i can appreciate that the d-max engine has come along way and is a good engine. makes me wonder why most members here have to slam the cummins motor. reading any of the diesel mags ( diesel power, diesel tech) every month- you can see ford owners and chevy owners of older trucks swapping in cummins motors-but you never see ford owners swapping in d-max motors, chevy guys swapping in psd motors or dodge guys in swapping psd or d-max motors-go figure!!

Not meaning to slam a Cummins, they're a good engine. I just stated that I drove 3 and none of them would hold up to a DMax......just my personal experience. Then someone has to post links saying Dodge is faster, then we see that's just up to 40 MPH, UNloaded and comparing a 3.73 to 4.10, which the 4.10 Dodge should, by mathmatics, be faster. Then we look at the LOADED stats.........

I've not been in any diesel mags but I traded in my PSD for a DMax and just wish I'd have done it sooner.

i did not buy my dodge cummins to be the fastest truck out there. i can appreciate that the d-max engine has come along way and is a good engine. makes me wonder why most members here have to slam the cummins motor. reading any of the diesel mags ( diesel power, diesel tech) every month- you can see ford owners and chevy owners of older trucks swapping in cummins motors-but you never see ford owners swapping in d-max motors, chevy guys swapping in psd motors or dodge guys in swapping psd or d-max motors-go figure!!

I can appreciate that the Cummins has served Dodge fairly well. But you guys need to realize that the term bullet proof is FAR from accurate. Just to name a few problems and some of which I had VP44, #53 Block cracks, Repeated sensor failures, Killer Dowel Pin, etc. It also looks like the 6.7 has it's own set of reliability issues. I don't see to many swaps coming out of this one.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/6-7l-engine-transmissions-2007-5/190234-goodbye-6-7l.html

Not meaning to slam a Cummins, they're a good engine. I just stated that I drove 3 and none of them would hold up to a DMax......just my personal experience. Then someone has to post links saying Dodge is faster, then we see that's just up to 40 MPH, UNloaded and comparing a 3.73 to 4.10, which the 4.10 Dodge should, by mathmatics, be faster. Then we look at the LOADED stats.........

I've not been in any diesel mags but I traded in my PSD for a DMax and just wish I'd have done it sooner.


I have to wonder if you can or cannot read a simple chart? Where do you see that the dodge is only faster then the chevy up to 40 unloaded? I count more then that. Anyway just looking at the chart you can disern some facts from it. 4:10 helped the dodge down low but hurt it on the top end, 373 helped the chevy from mid range to high end but hurt it low. You can also look at the 1/4 mph graphs and see this.

You must not have picked up on why i posted the links unless you read the whole thread. I posted them because it was stated that the 6.7 didnt even compare to the lmm. As you can tell that is not true. I also used a very popular link that i have seen several times on this site, that way there was no source bashing.;)

And where can you show me this "simple" math that states what should be, and not what you expect it to be? With different drivers, different reaction times, different launch patterns, temp, humidity, track conditions and different gearing, i see no "simple" arithmatic problem to solve it. But math is not one of my strong subjects.:mad: :D

But to put the subject to bed, the LMM rocks and no other can touch it.:cool:

I can appreciate that the Cummins has served Dodge fairly well. But you guys need to realize that the term bullet proof is FAR from accurate. Just to name a few problems and some of which I had VP44, #53 Block cracks, Repeated sensor failures, Killer Dowel Pin, etc. It also looks like the 6.7 has it's own set of reliability issues. I don't see to many swaps coming out of this one.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/6-7l-engine-transmissions-2007-5/190234-goodbye-6-7l.html


Nobody said it was bullit proof. I can also appriciate the duramax but our vp44 fails so do your injectors, or 53 blocks crack so do your pistons, kdp falls out so do your glow plugs, our sensors fail your engine overheats. Nothing is without fault.

I cannot really see the 6.7 in a swap either as it requires rods at 800hp and unless they can get it to operate without the emission crap then there is more then a few walls to climb.

all the CTD's that made it to a million miles were olldddd mechanical 12 valves. Probably all 160hp too. All mechanical engines are idiot proof and dirt simple...we all know the CTD will stand up to big power...so why is it so impressive that huge simple engined detuned to a puny 160hp made it a million miles?? I would hope it would last that long!! Convert a dmax to mechanical, detune it to 160hp and I bet it would go a darn long time too.

Only when I see a 350hp CR cummins in a dodge go a million with no problems will I truely be impressed. :cool:

just my oppinion

ben

I have to wonder if you can or cannot read a simple chart? Where do you see that the dodge is only faster then the chevy up to 40 unloaded? I count more then that.
Just making sure we're comparing the same trucks cause at first I thought you might be talking about 3/4 tons but they're comparing gas engines.
So comparing 1 ton diesels.....0-40 is Dodge and above that Chevy takes over
Look under One-Ton 1/4-Mile Without Trailer Summary
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2007/shootout/hdshootout4milan.html

all the CTD's that made it to a million miles were olldddd mechanical 12 valves. Probably all 160hp too. All mechanical engines are idiot proof and dirt simple...we all know the CTD will stand up to big power...so why is it so impressive that huge simple engined detuned to a puny 160hp made it a million miles?? I would hope it would last that long!! Convert a dmax to mechanical, detune it to 160hp and I bet it would go a darn long time too.

Only when I see a 350hp CR cummins in a dodge go a million with no problems will I truely be impressed. :cool:

just my oppinion

ben

:exactly: Well said Ben. I agree 100%.

So we are going to sit here and play the what if game? Back when dodge had the 12v 160hp was what it took to be competitive. 350 hp diesels were unheard of unless it was in an over the road truck. Now 325-350 is common in the light duty truck industry, different times have different requirements. It makes no sense to sit here and say what coulda woulda shoulda happened if only they did this.

Would it make sense for me to sit here and ask: What if gm never got in bed with isuzu or allison? What if the epa never got into the scene of diesels? What if dodge made a merge with a better trans company? What if dodge/cummins had CR system first? The world i filled with what ifs. And because they didnt happen why should it be called credible for somebody to sit there and say "well if this only happened"?


What if dinosaurs still ruled the earth?

Im not dogging the fact that 160hp is "weak". Im simply saying that when run at such a low level, any engine will last longer...

Im not saying that it wouldnt be more reliable im just saying it is kind of a moot point. Unless somebody is willing to detune their dmax to say 250 flywheel hp.:D

After 45 pages, I am still wondering about 3 things:

1. Allison is limited to 75 extra horspower, or it's not durable. So does that mean that after 40,000 miles of hard driving with 200 extra wheel horsepower I should be expecting a failure soon?

2. Aisin is at least as good or better than Allison. I have no doubt the Aisin is great, but is there any hard proof that it's better than the PROVEN Allison?

3. Duramax makes more power than Cummins stock, and is capable of making the same power modified, and is just as reliable. So where is the real advantage?

Thanks, just curious.

After 45 pages, I am still wondering about 3 things:

1. Allison is limited to 75 extra horspower, or it's not durable. So does that mean that after 40,000 miles of hard driving with 200 extra wheel horsepower I should be expecting a failure soon?

2. Aisin is at least as good or better than Allison. I have no doubt the Aisin is great, but is there any hard proof that it's better than the PROVEN Allison?

3. Duramax makes more power than Cummins stock, and is capable of making the same power modified, and is just as reliable. So where is the real advantage?.

The duramax is not capable of making the same hp as the cummins. atleast not without now rods, ect. And is also not as reliable at higher hp.

I would say that statement is similar to saying all dogde auto trannies suck. I have heard that the rods in the CTD don't need to be upgraded, but other than that why would a D-max be less reliable at say 1000 hp? Maybe I can learn something new.

Well since the dmax does only have 1 confirmed truck at 1k as far as i know. I just hear about alot less catostrophic failures with dodge's running high hp. We dont have the same hurtles you guys do such as internals.

Yeah that was an LB7 (1st gen). The newer ones are even stronger internally, and that one hasn't failed yet. What kind of catostrophic engine failures have the high hp GMs have been experiencing? Unfortunately I am still under 600hp so I'm not familiar. Thanks

catostrophic was the wrong word. I just hear about a lot less . Such as injectors, pistons, rods, blocks, pushrods ect.

I guess i cannot really recall a huge failure with a dmax, unless a windowed block is catostrophic?

Ok. Speaking to the diesel specialist and the meduim duty guy here at work this morning, the worst they've seen is years is a blown head gasket. And that is rare. Sorry about all the questions, but could you teach me what a windowed block is? Never heard that term. As far as the injectors are concerned, they have become more and more reliable through the 4 generations. GM has extended the injector warranty to 7 years and 200,000 miles to help the 1st gen owners, whose problems were largely due to poor fuel quality.

by windowed block i mean they broke a rod and punched ahole inthe block. I am not talking about somethinga dealer will see, i mean truck that you would not take to a dealer. Trucks such as mcrats, orange crush, climax, diamicos. Truck so modified that the dealer wouldnt know what do, it would just make more sencs to do it youself or take it to a performance shop.

by windowed block i mean they broke a rod and punched ahole inthe block. I am not talking about somethinga dealer will see, i mean truck that you would not take to a dealer. Trucks such as mcrats, orange crush, climax, diamicos. Truck so modified that the dealer wouldnt know what do, it would just make more sencs to do it youself or take it to a performance shop.

Hope we wouldn't see a windowed block in stock machines, whose comparison I believe started this whole thread to begin with ;)

Btw, that's a nice truck ya got there...

I think half of inline's 182 posts are in this thread :evillol:

I think half of inline's 182 posts are in this thread :evillol:

Someone told me he was 20 years young.......:rolleyes:

Someone told me he was 20 years young.......:rolleyes:
Probably, it's funny how he's never replied to my last post on the 26th, maybe he finally saw the 1/4 mile towing stats........:lol:

Maybe he was called inside for his cookies & milk. ):h

Maybe he was called inside for his cookies & milk. ):h

mmmmm cookies. and milk, which reminds me, Ghost Whisperer is on!! :p:

mmmmm cookies. and milk, which reminds me, Ghost Whisperer is on!! :p:
Gotta love tivo.........you can watch all the good parts several times :Whoa:

Gotta love tivo.........you can watch all the good parts several times :Whoa:


How true!! :D

:D I go home for the weekend from school and i come back to this. Shots at my age. LOL thats the best i get, i mean for only being 20 yrs yound i i expected some serous pwnage.

And dragon, i did address your post. I guess old age it getting the better of you.

I seriously expected better.:(

Btw, that's a nice truck ya got there...



Cudos to you for one of the most pathetic jabs i have seen. I know what i bring to the table;) , what exactly do you.:rolleyes:

Just curious here... I am just guessing that your 1997 Dodge is twin turbo because of your avatar. Now if that be the case then why the hell would you twin turbo a 2wd 3500? My brother owns a 3500 2wd cummins and wants to throw all this money into it and I just laugh at him because he thinks it would be some super fast Dodge, and that would never be the case unless he shaves 4000-5000 lbs off of it. At least your dodge is a 97 and is P pumped.

I find it funny that people on this forum think that if you are young you must also be stupid. Now I am only a month into 17 and will talk with you all day about diesels because I have taught myself about them since I was 13.

Just curious here... I am just guessing that your 1997 Dodge is twin turbo because of your avatar. Now if that be the case then why the hell would you twin turbo a 2wd 3500? My brother owns a 3500 2wd cummins and wants to throw all this money into it and I just laugh at him because he thinks it would be some super fast Dodge, and that would never be the case unless he shaves 4000-5000 lbs off of it. At least your dodge is a 97 and is P pumped.

I find it funny that people on this forum think that if you are young you must also be stupid. Now I am only a month into 17 and will talk with you all day about diesels because I have taught myself about them since I was 13.

Well atleast thanks for being on my side for the age thing.:cool: Other then that...................

What is wrong with putting COMPOUND TURBOS on a 2wd truck? I guess garmon, fletcher, fulmer, owners of orange crush, malibue, morse and many more all better put 4x4 on there trucks or de-mod them so they can put them on a "worthy" vehicle. And last time i looked it was my and your brothers money to spend, next time you float the bill i will be happy to call you to get permission on what i can buy. And last time i checked we didnt have to shave 4-5k off to have fast dodge's. But i guess it all makes sense now then, all those fast, decked out 4x4's are really held together by toothpicks under the cotton fiber body.:rolleyes:

What do you know about my truck besides it has a p-pump, sounds like very little.

And next time you want to question my motives you better have more in your sig then intakes, exhaust, a BDDL with crazy larry.:rolleyes:

I guess what i am trying to say is.............................



























:flipa:

Rick

O and how many of those trucks in your sig are daddy's? And who puts the kind of oil they use in their sig? I guess you have to do that when you bring nothing to the table.

O and how many of those trucks in your sig are daddy's? And who puts the kind of oil they use in their sig? I guess you have to do that when you bring nothing to the table.

And cutting up what people have in their sig does not say much about you either. Do yourself a favour, read a few posts, and read the sigs of some people on here because you will be shocked at what people put in their sigs.

cute! Do you hold it for him to?

Cudos to you for one of the most pathetic jabs i have seen. I know what i bring to the table;) , what exactly do you.:rolleyes:

Why, I got me one of them Hayabusa bikes y'all keep talking about.

Seriously, confused your post for someone else's. At least now I know who has sand in their bikini on this thread :rolleyes:

Seeing as i dont wear bikinis it's probably my vagina.;)

almost 640,000 miles on original engine and drive train.(48re-auto)


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-Dodge-Ram-2500-Cummins-Diesel-Pickup-Truck_W0QQitemZ150167585659QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1191 43QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here you go: http://chevy200k.com/gallery/detail.php?id=8ec58282

A member in this forum (Haulin-RV) ran into this lady a while ago and she was well over 700k on the truck. And YES. original everything and hauls cattle so those aren't 'easy miles'.

I havent read all the posts, but is the new 6.6 and 6.7 able to tow/pull the same amount?

I havent read all the posts, but is the new 6.6 and 6.7 able to tow/pull the same amount?

Yes and I believe they are rated a little higher too.

The 6.6 is rated higher or the 6.7?

Here you go: http://chevy200k.com/gallery/detail.php?id=8ec58282

A member in this forum (Haulin-RV) ran into this lady a while ago and she was well over 700k on the truck. And YES. original everything and hauls cattle so those aren't 'easy miles'.

:ro)

Go with Chevy I'm saying this because I love Chevy and hey the dmax has 5 more horses than the Cummins what do you have to lose?

The 6.6 is rated higher or the 6.7?

I meant the new emission diesels: 6.6, 6.4 psd and 6.7 ctd are rated to tow higher than the previous trucks. I think the they are rated the all the same. the 6.4 is a bit higher because it is a F-450

I've left a few 6.7's in my dust.....I can't say smoke....It just don't.

:D I go home for the weekend from school and i come back to this.Shots at my age. LOL thats the best i get, i mean for only being 20 yrs yound i i expected some serous pwnage.

And dragon, i did address your post. I guess old age it getting the better of you.

I seriously expected better.:(
If you had a Chevy, you'd have been home hours, maybe even a day earlier :chevy:

Don't worry, when you get older people will still joke about your age but you'll be able to beat them with your cane

Not one word from you after my post at 4:50 PM on the 26th about the 1/4 mile times

Guess I was just having an off day, that happens when you get old :D

If you had a Chevy, you'd have been home hours, maybe even a day earlier :chevy:

Don't worry, when you get older people will still joke about your age but you'll be able to beat them with your cane

Not one word from you after my post at 4:50 PM on the 26th about the 1/4 mile times

Guess I was just having an off day, that happens when you get old :D
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I'll definitely have to get me an LMM as soon as I can, just to slap these new Dodges arourd. My undefeated LBZ is getting very outdated.. :(

Talk about noise. I started this thread, can I somehow kill/lock it? It's way off from its original purpose.

O and how many of those trucks in your sig are daddy's? And who puts the kind of oil they use in their sig? I guess you have to do that when you bring nothing to the table.Well you got me there...The 07 is mine and I do all the work on it, and "daddys" trucks. The 07 went through an EF-5 tornado and I went ahead and bought it from my parents, all 13K that insurance wanted for it. and have put over 4K into fixing it. I am more of a duramax guy and know a hell of a lot more about the GM side then the Dodge side, a hell of a lot more then you! I leave the Dodge side to my cousin with a 90 Dodge. When my brother wants to buy somthing he looks to me for advice. Are you trying to say that their is somthing is wrong with Royal Purple, or the way I change it? If you are you are a lot dumber than you sound! And appearently you are lost because this is a GM site, would you like me to show you how to update your "sig" because it is to impressive for me!
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Well you got me there...The 07 is mine and I do all the work on it, and "daddys" trucks. The 07 went through an EF-5 tornado and I went ahead and bought it from my parents, all 13K that insurance wanted for it. and have put over 4K into fixing it. I am more of a duramax guy and know a hell of a lot more about the GM side then the Dodge side, a hell of a lot more then you! I leave the Dodge side to my cousin with a 90 Dodge. When my brother wants to buy somthing he looks to me for advice. Are you trying to say that their is somthing is wrong with Royal Purple, or the way I change it? If you are you are a lot dumber than you sound! And appearently you are lost because this is a GM site, would you like me to show you how to update your "sig" because it is to impressive for me!
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This is the best response i get? A stab at the fact you assume i know nothing about the gm side and how if i dog royal purple i know nothing?:rolleyes: You made the most out of the parts of my post that really ment nothing except to get a rise. :D

Talk about noise. I started this thread, can I somehow kill/lock it? It's way off from its original purpose.

I agree. Mods, could you please close it??

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Can't believe how a subject can get so beat to death. This thread has a lot of stupid nitpicky crap. What it boils down to is really pretty simple. Forget "5hp" this and "IFS vs. solid axle" that.....you'll spend your time driving the truck, not comparing spec sheets. But spec sheets don't tell you how a truck feels. I know people with Dodge and Ford who're real happy with them. So don't worry about what others say you should buy. Just apply your own criteria and get the one that feels best when you're in it, drives the way you like, and looks good to your eye.

Everyone has different criteria. Some of my mine were.....besides having had good luck with GM vehicles I hate clanky rattle-y, noisy diesels and Duramax was the first quiet one. Now they're all quiet but if the DMax hadn't come along they'd probably still be noisy, and slower too. Ride comfort was also important. And the biggie was height...I do a lot of shooting from the hood off sandbags.....Ford and Dodge were out because their hoods are too high and the wrong shape.