I was at the county fair last night and they had a representative from Schaeffer's there. He had a little machine that simulated metal on metal, which revealed the lubricity and breakdown of oil using amperage as a measurement of contact pressure.


He used Valvoline products vs. Schaeffer's. First he used the Valvoline and the metal on metal started smoking after a few seconds of heavy contact pressure, almost burning up the motor. Then he added about a cap full of Schaeffer's to it and wow, it quit smoking and actually lowered the amperage used to turn the metal part. Then he completed wiped it down and applied just Schaeffer's oil, it was amazing, no smoking very little amperage used. Then he wiped off the Schaeffer's oil and did the test again. NO SMOKE and little amperage used... good to know for start up since 80% of engine wear is at start up. He then went on to explain that the oil they use has a magnetic formulation added to it so the oil actually sticks to the metal parts.


Then he showed me Valvoline grease that we would typically use on our zerk fittings. It was lithium grease. It smoked like hell and almost burned up the motor on the machine. Then he showed me what water does to lithium grease... the grease dissolved in the water and did not have any consistency to it, it just dissappeared in the water. Then he used the Schaeffer's grease, and once again; no smoke and very little amperage used. Then he showed me what Schaeffer's grease does in water, absolutely nothing! Maintained consistency and did not dissolve whatsoever. Then he showed me the grease bottle that reads "waterproof".


For now on, I will be using Schaeffer's 15w-40 motor oil, grease and diff fluid. It was very interesting and informative.


Dan

SD


I would love to run this oil as I have also seen the demo but there is no sales close to me.


Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Luckily I have a dealer about 30 minutes from me. I will be getting some for my next tune up.


Dan

I am always skeptical when I hear about these demonstrations because I think how can these smaller oil compaines make a better oil than the big ones with all of their resources. I am not saying it is not true but it is so hard for me to believe. Maybe I am just a victim of the corporate machine.

The major issue is, of course, the conditions of the 'test' do not exist in our engines...
I can replicate this exact same 'test' while using Coca Cola (!) and yield the same results, even better!.. No smoke, low amperage, etc...
However, Coke is certainly not an acceptable engine oil lubricant... Yet, on the test machine, provides superior test results. These Dog & Pony Shows are great State Fair sales gimmics but they demonstate nothing relative to engine lubrication needs..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
AV Lubricants Inc.
Columbus, OhioEdited by: Georgecls

George,


You're spoiling the fun! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I seen the similer demo and thought, ah..more snake oil.. but I tried it and you know what, it works. The Delvac sits on the shelf for customer trucks now... Schaeffers in my rig...bumper to bumper and my quad and my lawn mower and Mike Tomacs truck and...


Well, most of you know my standings on it. I have 11k on a Schaeffers oil change, gonna send a sample in on it using just oem filter, well past the break in stage with 45k on my truck. I will post results

Eric,


I have used Schaeffer's since niew and have used a 3K change interval. I have 12K on the truck now. When can I start with a longer change interval and how long do you recommend. I use Delco filters. I do have added power and the oil does seem to soot up quick, does that affect the oils properties/characteristics? Thanks

Daryl, I 'll let you know, floggin mine hard lately with delco filter and 12k... my oil is very black... but gotta put it to the test

I use lots of Schaeffers oils and greases.


The grease won't mix w/ water so it lasts longer in my equipment.


The addition of moly in there products helps reduce friction too.


I'll have to try the coke lube next time my saleman is around.


I've got a saleman less than 4 miles away and a warehouse 15 or so miles away.

Do they make a ch c1 synthetic Coke for my diesel engine?

The machine we use is designed to measure film strength. Some oils have great film strength others not so good. Coca cola must have good film strength though I doubt it has many other lubricant properties needed for engine oil. I have heard chlorine "plates" up too. The bottom line is you want a strong film strength as one of the most important charateristic of an oil. One that plates up on the metal thus reduces friction,heat,wear etc.

Next time the test rig is around, use Head&Shoulders dandruff shampoo. You will find superior results to almost any other furmula tested.


Not trying to insinuate the Shaefers is not a terrfic product.

As Dmaxallitech says, snake oil...


I can't tell you how many premature engine failures show up at my shop that come along with the following statement: "I don't understand, I always add 'such & such' at every oil change"


This link pretty much explains why the use of additives is not healthy,


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm

if you need an additive in your oil, you need better oil IMO.


I tried the Schaeffers on a whim, and its the only way I will go now.. Best stuff going IMO.


Its in everything that I own.

Bronco states.


Not trying to insinuate the Schaeffers is not a terrfic product.


At the end of the day isn't that statement what really matters most.

That exact test has been used by such&such oil company against such&such oil company for years and years. It turns out that zinc is a perfect lubricant for a test like this. So products with high zinc, score well.


Schaeffers appears to be high quality product that is sold by reputable vendo here on this site ( dmaxillitech). I did not want my comments to misconstrued as slamming Schaeffers in any way. Schaeffers could and very well may perform excellent in a more releavent type of testing. The salesrep at the county fair used a type of test that was within his grasp and suitable for a county fair type of enviroment. Dosn't really tell me anything about the Schaeffers product, one way or the other.Edited by: Bronco

Schaeffer's all the way for me as well.


If you want more info, check out their website www.shaefferoil.com (http://www.shaefferoil.com) They have all their technical data on there. Just compare this data with that of the other oil companies to decide for yourself.

Well I guess Im gonna have to go to Another oil cause it is not sold in Okie Ville. Might go to Havoline I here it is good oil.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Well said Bronco. Thanks. Naturally Eric and I feel as if Schaeffer's has an excellent product line.

Eric,


Any results on the oil test yet? Just curious what I can safely run it to. Thanks

Daryl, still havent drained it, Mechanics truck gets serviced lasthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif