OK well i was already to buy the edge juice with attitude but now i am kinda scared with all these post i've seen in the last couple of days just wondering what direction i should go i now any help would be great thanks again

the edge box is a good product that makes good power, and the attitude monitor is way cool. mine had shut down twice and just sent it in today to get reprogrammed for no charge. if you are looking for a easy to use unit that makes good power go for the edge.

3 years outta mine. not a single shut down. only problem i've had is the pyro sensor took a dump on me in november of 06. but thats kinda expected with a sensor that lives in the exhaust manifold.

I love it and it is easy to use. The power change on the fly is real nice feature, especially if you like racing around, then have to tow like I do.

Send a PM to Nick at NorCalTruck (1SIC250). Or call him at the shop..925.447.7800
Hes a vendor here and a EDGE Platinum Dealer.

Ive had them on a LB7, a LLY and now a LBZ. I have never had a major problem with any of them. Only issue I had once was a thermocouple, I called Edge and they sent me a new one. Back before the monitor was available I had a analog EGT gauge that had a thermocouple go bad as well, so I think it may be just the nature of such a sensor. Each of my trucks have towed heavy, and been used in temperatures as cold as -10°F in the winter to 100°F+ in the summer. But, take it for what its worth, not every truck is the same, so not every truck reacts the same. Your results may vary! :D

J Mitchell,

I have been BETA testing the EDGE product now for nearly 8 months and had done some early stuff back in 2002. They are committed to identifying the various issues that have surfaced. They have sent me modules with specific failures to see if they have identified the problem and it did exactly what we expected. I am running BETA test 9 now. This one is working perfectly to date. It is not a released version at this time.

One thing I would like to say about EDGE as a company, They are easy to work with and stand behind their product. Although sometimes inconvenient when it may act up, we ALL have to remember each truck is different and reacts different. Asking any company to come out with a power enhancer that will work on everything in every situation is a daunting task.

I have been running an EDGE since early 2002 long before the attitude came out. I have gone through many iterations with them. I can say this, when I have the module out I notice it right away. I miss the crisper trans shifts, the power off idle and the overall performance when out on the road.

Also bear in mind that people usually come to websites when they have encountered a problem. They are looking for either validation or answers. That is what makes the www so great. But I would not be worried about using the EDGE. it is a solid product and there are more people out there using them without issues than the few that have posted their finding here or on other sites.

BTW, I do not work for EDGE. I am privateer that likes tinkering and offered my time to test and help them resolve various troubles. The beauty is, if you do suffer a problem, you simply pull over and in 5 minutes you remove the module and the truck runs back to factory settings. The EDGE is by far the easiest power module to use.

Best of luck on any power enhancer you choose

I too have had very good luck with Edge. I have one for every truck and then some.):h

I believe they have a firm commitment to make their product the best it can be.:thumb:

I on the other hand this is the fifth box me. I guess it is my engine....only time will tell if the version 5.2 fixed the problem. If they did not stand behind their product I would have been gone after the first one went bad.

Duramax Dually, dude it takes you five minutes to get back to stock? I can have mine done in one minute. :p: :D ;)

I like my Edge and have missed it while it was away for reflashing (or whatever they did).

Definitely got back the same Edge and Attitude I sent them as the velcro is right where I put it on and the green clip on the Attitude connector has the same break in it that I did taking it off.

Now looking forward to putting it back in. Just that it's cold out right now and I don't have a garage :(

just sent mine out yesterday, dang, that thing feels so slow right now! cant wait to have it back in.

Yea!
I know what you mean, I just sent mine out last week and it's due back tomorrow! I had it since 2002 with no problems, but I just bought an "A2", and I need the green connector so they are going to upgrade me to the latest juice Box for $250 and start a new warranty :)

just sent mine out yesterday, dang, that thing feels so slow right now! cant wait to have it back in.

That is a true statement...these trucks are dogs without the Edge or anything for that matter. :o:

Well, my story is a little different. I bought a used module only (no attitude) from a forum member and it was dead. I didn't notice any power difference and the confirmation feedback wasn't working. I called Edge support and they tried to troubleshoot it but no confirmation either. So, they told me to send it in. That was middle of October. They gave me an RMA#. Over time, I kept checking on the status of the RMA and finally I just got my new Edge module replacement v5.2, built on 1/3/07. Received it on Jan 22nd. It took a while to get but I wasn't complaining since I paid $150 for the module and the longer I waited more bugs got fixed out of the unit...
Anyway, plugged it in and set it to level 3 and man!!!! What a kick in the pants... It was bitter sweet to roast those expensive tires that I just put on for a small fortune... I don't think I could ever go back to stock. Right now, mileage isn't so good. After the honeymoon period with the new found power wears off, I'd like to see what kind of mileage I can get out of it. It feels like a daunting task because that "pinned in your seat" feeling is most addictive...

Sorry for babbling on, my only point is that Edge stood by their product for me, a second hand owner...

I had those mixed feelings too before I got mine. But, for what I paid for mine, I took the chance and from what I've been reading. No shutdown issues to worry about with v5.2... Knock on wood...

The truth is, Edge's committment to customer service is truely second to none. I have never seen any other company offering to cover out of warranty units to any extent, much less the way Edge has.

The key here is patience.

I echo the comments on Edge's customer service.

However, after shutdown problems with 4 boxes, I decided to try something else on my daily/only driver. Sold the last new box Edge shipped to me.

If they do ever get it right, I may jump back on the wagon. On the fly adjustment sure was convenient.

No Wake: well you are right, if you remove and leave in the engine compartment it take a minute or less. I have a special TC wiring set up from my early edge and I have to unscrew it to remove it entirely.

Glad to see some folks are using 5.2V. That is the one I have been testing for quite sometime. I have not had any issues with mine with that version.

the money you spend on edge could be spent on efi. You'll be happier with Efi.

the money you spend on edge could be spent on efi. You'll be happier with Efi.

That's a pretty broad statement, and has not really been true in my case.

I have EFI Live, a couple of Kennedy ECM's, some Edge boxes, and some Predators. I'm sure EFI will win me over in time, but so far it still flusters me a little. For the average guy with limited knowledge and time, the Edge/Predator style power adders may still be a very good way to go.

The truth is, Edge's committment to customer service is truely second to none. I have never seen any other company offering to cover out of warranty units to any extent, much less the way Edge has.

The key here is patience.

Should'nt have to worry about customer service if they made a decent product. People buy a product that is suppose to work and not shut your vehicle down.

They know what their problem is, but refuse to fix it. Cough cough crystal boards.

Out of all the boxes avail, who has the most problems? Answer Edge.

The NTSB needs to crack the whip over this issue.

Should'nt have to worry about customer service if they made a decent product. People buy a product that is suppose to work and not shut your vehicle down.

They know what their problem is, but refuse to fix it. Cough cough crystal boards.

Out of all the boxes avail, who has the most problems? Answer Edge.

The NTSB needs to crack the whip over this issue.

People do buy plenty of items that have problems...your LB7 has/had injector problems...still own it do ya?

The stealership put the screws to me over the injectors until I had a tantrum on the showroom floor.

Your NBSU switch is notorious for giving up the ghost, still own an Allison?

Get my point? They are working towards the solution...tragically it has taken a few tries. Atleast they are not leaving those out of the warranty with their hat in their hands. If you do not want an Edge...do not get one. If ya got one (like many of us do) exercise patience, and you will be rewarded in the end.

That's a pretty broad statement, and has not really been true in my case.

I have EFI Live, a couple of Kennedy ECM's, some Edge boxes, and some Predators. I'm sure EFI will win me over in time, but so far it still flusters me a little. For the average guy with limited knowledge and time, the Edge/Predator style power adders may still be a very good way to go.


Although I don't have EFI, I agree. I'm looking into it but really don't have the time now to mess around with the right download, buying guages, and so on. Edge J/A is so easy to use, and with the monitor, all your guages are there in front of you-set to how you want them(mph, boost, egt, rpm, backdown, etc). Tire size, low boost, defueling for shifts, and you can set set all levels on the fly. I've had no problems (so far) with mine. Don't get me wrong, EFI is an amazing product; but until I build a puller/race truck I don't think it's for me.

J Mitchell,



The beauty is, if you do suffer a problem, you simply pull over Not the simplest of endeavors when you're towing 12K in the smokies, going downhill, and you experience a shut down. I loved my Edge, but it took only one life flashing experience to count me out.

No Wake: well you are right, if you remove and leave in the engine compartment it take a minute or less. I have a special TC wiring set up from my early edge and I have to unscrew it to remove it entirely.

Glad to see some folks are using 5.2V. That is the one I have been testing for quite sometime. I have not had any issues with mine with that version.

Do you know what the big difference or change to the 5.2 was?

They know what their problem is, but refuse to fix it. Cough cough crystal boards.

Out of all the boxes avail, who has the most problems? Answer Edge.

Dmax35, what does that mean they have crystal boards?

NoWake, without giving out specifics, it is both hardware and firmware correction. I wish they would set up a 'Special" with a exterior data logger. I would love to track the problem. The module I have has a special that logs the error but does not track it. I have also recommended they get the box away from the engine compartment. there is a lot of noise in that engine compartment when all that stuff is spinning.

DMAX35, well your point is well taken but do the math, Of course EDGE will have more posted issues, they easily out sell the other leading competitors 3, maybe even 4 to 1. So the statistics are tainted. But I guarantee you there are more people out there without problems. I know quite a few guys that have had theirs for 2-3 years and no issues.

NoWake, without giving out specifics, it is both hardware and firmware correction. I wish they would set up a 'Special" with a exterior data logger. I would love to track the problem. The module I have has a special that logs the error but does not track it. I have also recommended they get the box away from the engine compartment. there is a lot of noise in that engine compartment when all that stuff is spinning.

DMAX35, well your point is well taken but do the math, Of course EDGE will have more posted issues, they easily out sell the other leading competitors 3, maybe even 4 to 1. So the statistics are tainted. But I guarantee you there are more people out there without problems. I know quite a few guys that have had theirs for 2-3 years and no issues.
And those who do eventually can count on Edge's customer service to take care of them...No, it may not be for free...but it will be @ a STEEP discount for a new one.

Dmax35, what does that mean they have crystal boards?

It means Edge, uses a cheaper method of producing unit circuit boards that allow board components to break down faster than normal ceramic made boards.

Heat & vibration will break down any crystal oscillation circuit or RMS jitter causing shutdowns.

Ask yourself this, out of all the companies that produce and sell chips & programmers, who has the most problems? EDGE.....

I am on my 3rd one also. I love this thing when it works, but it sure is frustrating when it acts up! I just got mine back and the paperwork said they loaded the latest program and that was it. It seems to me though, that it is a hardware problem when the temp gets too high.

It means Edge, uses a cheaper method of producing unit circuit boards that allow board components to break down faster than normal ceramic made boards.

Heat & vibration will break down any crystal oscillation circuit or RMS jitter causing shutdowns.

Ask yourself this, out of all the companies that produce and sell chips & programmers, who has the most problems? EDGE.....

Thanks for answering my question.

Any chance did you read what had happened when I installed the new box? It was a cold dry day and before I cleaned up the re-installation I started the truck to make sure it was going to work. Once everything was fine I kept it running. I then grabbed the box and I had a static charge, it shut the engine down that instant. It happened twice!

I am very surprised the box is not grounded. Could it also be that these boxes pick up stray voltage causing damage?

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The VA boxes live underhood, same location. They don't seem to have the same issues.

No Wake,
I have discussed this with Edge. I am not an electrical Engineer but a ME for a solid state pumped laser diode company and we have controllers that do strange things after they have been installed in photo lith machines at end users. External noise, line noise and of course vibration are key culprits. I personally think the case should be grounded to Neg battery. Not chassis. I also think the case needs to be a bit larger and RF shielded. Think about everything spinning in the engine compartment, Turbo, Alternator, AC compressor, and windshield wipers when raining and this is not counting any add-ons. The other key component is you have to mount the module in close proximity to the electrical hub for truck.

The temp cycling issue is a hardware issue. My truck has never ever had a problem when temps are 65 or better outside. Even in blazing heat through the desert my truck has never suffered an Edge malfunction. But you get me in the snow when I am on patrol or messin around and it does some strange stuff. My typical malfunction had been under a long hard pull up a grade at 70+ MPH the module would drop boost and lose power. It would bobble and stumble for about 10 seconds, reset itself, make adjustments in the fuel map and come back on like you added another engine. On a long 6-7 mile grade this could happen 3 to as many as 6 times. Never would do it at low speed(45-55) but push it and it would miscue. I have never suffered the all out Stall scenario as some of you have described except the BETA unit that was sent to me that was supposed to do that and did.

I have given very specific data to Edge on this, and the latest BETA module I am testing has worked perfectly to date.

Ask yourself this, out of all the companies that produce and sell chips & programmers, who has the most problems? EDGE.....

Bear in mind that they've probably out sold most of the other companies combined. Its easy to see 100 complaints when you've sold the volume they do.

I'm not arguing the fact that if they have problems they need to get them fixed. I'm stating that their percentages of problems are probably still very low for their sales, and since you yourself are beta testing, I'd say they're staying on it.:)

Now looking forward to putting it back in. Just that it's cold out right now and I don't have a garage :(

Ahhh.

That's much better.

Amazing what a little software will do to these things.

The VA box is kept in an entirely sealed unit - it appears more robust to me. I've had no problems with mine - not as whiz bang as the Edge Attitude but reliable. The real way to know about issues is to track them per so many units - it normalizes the results irrespective of volume - I don't think the data is available however.


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Duramax Dually, if you do not mind the next time you talk to them mention the spark and shutdown I had twice from static.

Another thing that worries me is that I have a CB that is turned-up in my truck also. If this box is not grounded then it is acting like a antenna. When I first installed the first Edge box I spent two days getting the EGT probe wire to not act like an antenna. Every time I would transmit the EGTs would go through the roof, 2000+ degrees...this would set the alarm off and start de-fueling. I finally routed the wire low enough on the firewall and added some TKD filter thing around the outside of the wire some local radio shop gave me. Since then the EGT has not spiked. I talked to Edge about this and they have never heard of this problem. Also I am sure not many Edge owners are also running peaked and tuned CB radios.

NoWake,
Be glad to. I will e-mail EE tonight and let him know. I would love to see what would happen with a harness that let you mount the module inside the cab. Then grounded. The hole through the firewall would not be that large if you have the quick plug set up or the module.

Bear in mind that they've probably out sold most of the other companies combined. Its easy to see 100 complaints when you've sold the volume they do.

I'm not arguing the fact that if they have problems they need to get them fixed. I'm stating that their percentages of problems are probably still very low for their sales, and since you yourself are beta testing, I'd say they're staying on it.:)

I could give a rats #$@###&** how many they have sold. That means nothing.

What's it going to take, somebody actually getting killed from a shutdown to wake the NTSB up about the current and past Edge problems?

I'm not a beta tester. I won't give Edge the time of day.

I have products I know I can trust.

So dmax35, when and how many Edge boxes have you had again? What version were they? How long have you owned your truck?


Does your truck ever 1093?
Have you ever limped the tranny?
have you ever had a fuel filter plug up?
Ever simply ran out of fuel?
Have you ever been in limp mode?
Ever had a tire blowout?

In short, have you ever had a failure that would decrease the normal operation of your vehicle?

So dmax35, when and how many Edge boxes have you had again? What version were they? How long have you owned your truck?



Does your truck ever 1093?
Have you ever limped the tranny?
have you ever had a fuel filter plug up?
Ever simply ran out of fuel?
Have you ever been in limp mode?
Ever had a tire blowout?

In short, have you ever had a failure that would decrease the normal operation of your vehicle?

I don't own my truck....the bank does.:eek:


Does your truck ever 1093? NOPE
Have you ever limped the tranny? NOPE
have you ever had a fuel filter plug up? NOPE
Ever simply ran out of fuel? NOPE
Have you ever been in limp mode? NOPE
Ever had a tire blowout? YUP

In short, have you ever had a failure that would decrease the normal operation of your vehicle? NOPE

I can see that you did not answer the main question. :(

I've owned 7 of these trucks and all of them have limped at one time or another. Most of them when they were stock. That was my point.

I can see that you did not answer the main question. :(

I've owned 7 of these trucks and all of them have limped at one time or another. Most of them when they were stock. That was my point.

I can understand your loyality.

My main arguement is the product is shutting vehicles down.

Plain and simple it needs to be taken off the shelf until Edge wakes up and smells the coffee or they get somebody killed.

So dmax35, when and how many Edge boxes have you had again? What version were they? How long have you owned your truck?

Answer these questions please.

I can understand your loyality.

My main arguement is the product is shutting vehicles down.

Plain and simple it needs to be taken off the shelf until Edge wakes up and smells the coffee or they get somebody killed.

I am not "loyal" to Edge. I have 4 Predators, a couple of Kennedy ECM's, and EFI Live. I have had a ton of "shutting down" issues with my trucks without the Edge. Your truck will limp without it also. That is the point you are missing.

Answer these questions please.


I'm smart enough not to buy one, there's your answer.

Dmax35,
I agree with you to some degree. But I have friends with Banks that do similar things, I have fiends with Predators that have limped their trucks. It is a modification, you take risks with after market products at your comfort level. It is like the guy with a dually who decides that 265's in the rear rubbing is OK, Or the guy who overloads beyond trucks capacity. Or the guy with the 12" lift kit and 44" tires. Camper companies sell full sized campers that are only rated in dry because once you load them up and weigh them wet they are WAY over bed weight capacity. Are they liable...???

I guess where I am going with this is, if you want a safe truck that GM design and are happy with its performance and do not want to take risks then stay stock and do not change a thing. However if you want a bit more performance or you want to carry a bit more weight you look at the options and make a decision based on your comfort zone.

I will continue to BETA test for EDGE as long as I am comfortable.

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I'm with dmax35 on this one. I bought my J/A new from a vendor here, kept it 2 years, going through multiple returns, four shutdowns. Edge was always willing to send me a new unit.

However, it got to where I was always wondering when the next shutdown would happen. Not a "limp", but shutdown: no power steering or power brakes, engine dies. In traffic, coasting through an intersection, etc. I'm lucky there were no accidents.

I refuse to use Edge again unless they can prove my safety will not be a roll of the dice. Not a beta test, not a "try this one out". I'm done being an unofficial "tester."

Maybe I'll have a problem with some of the other gear on my truck. I expect it. But if it keeps happening over and over, you can bet your *** I'll switch to another tire, programmer,or whatever.

I hope Edge gets it right,but I've moved on.

I have been running the edge with attitude for about 2 years now. Edge is real easy to deal with, continually backing up there product. However, my truck (120K miles) has shut down on me 5 times in the past 7 months. Apparently there is a new box available and I have my RMA # to get a new box. But how many times do you have to rip the box and monitor out to get it updated? Great box, great power, and 4-6 mile per gallon increase, but its just frustrating to send the box in a few times a year.

Hmmm, I wonder how many deaths were caused by tire blow-outs? I would bet more than Edge has caused.

Dmax35 does have some valued points, though. There would be a little more credibility if Dmax35 had owned one.

Three years on mine and nary a problem, if it failed and the replacement was on my dime, I would go a different direction.

Ahhh.

That's much better.

Amazing what a little software will do to these things.

Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn.

My email to Jared

Well.

That didn't take long.

Installed it Friday, have driven 300km's in near freezing temperatures and it stalled my truck again yesterday. Just on a short drive in town. Restarted right away and ran fine, but it looks like I sent it in too soon.

So, the truck was not hot and never got hot with the unit on. No towing. Just a few short trips around town and one trip to a town about 30 minutes away. It is near freezing here so this is not a heat related problem.

What is the next step?


Forgot to mention the wife was with me. Not the best thing for her to see.

So, my opinion is to hold off buying still. I love the box and what it does but would wait to hear if others are having problems still.

However, it got to where I was always wondering when the next shutdown would happen. Not a "limp", but shutdown: no power steering or power brakes, engine dies. In traffic, coasting through an intersection, etc. I'm lucky there were no accidents.

Confused by people comparing this to "limping". A shutdown in the middle of traffic coming up to a light is not the same as the truck running under reduced power. lovette is correct, they are not the same thing. A shutdown is far more dangerous.

Confused by people comparing this to "limping". A shutdown in the middle of traffic coming up to a light is not the same as the truck running under reduced power. lovette is correct, they are not the same thing. A shutdown is far more dangerous.

Me too. And, I don't see the comparison between tire blowouts. The issue is not that no deaths have been caused by Edge failures. It's the repeated failures, and the potential for a bad accident.

I bet if anyone had repeated tire failures using the same tire brand, eventually, you might consider changing to another brand. JMHO.

Happy Mardi Gras everyone!

So far the 5.2 version box and 1.85 version monitor that I have has had zero problems. I would like to know if anyone that has these versions has had any issues. I was told these are the newest versions out there.

So far no problems with that version you have also. 5.2/1.85.

Then again I have only been running it for just two weeks.

On my second box and harness of the new version. I had it stall several times in one day / week. They sent a new harness with the Juice and had me use the same monitor I had. Its been in about a week now, everything seem to be ok.
So far the 5.2 version box and 1.85 version monitor that I have has had zero problems. I would like to know if anyone that has these versions has had any issues. I was told these are the newest versions out there.

I was also a Beta Tester and now have the 5.2/1.85 combo and all seems well. I have run it for about 1 month.....

Been running 5.2/1.85 for a while as a tester, No Problems either. Good to see other users with same results.

No Wake, your set up should be Ok with this version according to Edge.