The truck that i test drove was recalled 2 days ago becuase apparentlly a few of them have cought on fire. GM claims its something to do with the doul alt's. my vote is they blame it on the DPF ):h

This will give the ford guys some amo.

I sure hope they changed those bastard...
<-- Dual Alts... on 07 LBZ

just figured id post it to everyones aware of it

I had a look at the bulletins and I couldn't find anything about this.

that is why i will not buy one till 08 this will go wrong with the first ones

Hey buddy how did you get to drive that truck? and how was that performance? after tha dpf crap . I drove a new f250 with all the emisions crap and I think the 2006 are faster and have a better take off, I bet is all the crap under the body. did you feel any diference from the Lbz and the lmm in performance? and if you did was it for the worst or the better. I order my truck with dual alt. I hope that's not what caused them to cough on fire:mad: not The truck that i test drove was recalled 2 days ago becuase apparentlly a few of them have cought on fire. GM claims its something to do with the doul alt's. my vote is they blame it on the DPF ):h

If its a recall then why would GM BS about it being the alts if its actually the DPF? I ordered one and can't wait. Oh and if it has problems I guess they'll have to fix it. I held off on the 07 Classic to get the 07.5. I can't stand to pay that much for a vehicle that will be outdated in 2 months.

i too cant wait. ordered an 08 gmc myself with the dual alts. hopefully they solve the issue before hand. how did you like the truck?

the truck was nice, it drove like the LBZ but was a little slower on the take off. other than that it felt like a LBZ.....a little stiff in the suspention but a nice ride. and dont ask me how i got to drive it. the dealership didnt even know they had the truck until i pointed it out. they had no invoice for it and the guy told me they'd sell it to me for 40K on the spot without and invoice. haha

I doubt it's a recall

well this one didnt burst into flame but other have, so im guessing that a little problem that GM needs to address, there for they are recalling the LMM's with the problem.

If its a recall then why would GM BS about it being the alts if its actually the DPF? I ordered one and can't wait. Oh and if it has problems I guess they'll have to fix it. I held off on the 07 Classic to get the 07.5. I can't stand to pay that much for a vehicle that will be outdated in 2 months.

I respectfully disagree with you that a 07 Classic is outdated. The design, body style, and duramax/Allison combination are a key part of this classic marque. It's almost like saying that a 67 Corvette is outdated. Like the Corvettes, these trucks will stay highly desireable by the general public and enthusiasts for many years to come. JMO

I couldn't find a recall either...

It's all BS and hearsay until it is on paper.

I couldn't find a recall either...

It's all BS and hearsay until it is on paper.

:exactly:

I respectfully disagree with you that a 07 Classic is outdated. The design, body style, and duramax/Allison combination are a key part of this classic marque. It's almost like saying that a 67 Corvette is outdated. Like the Corvettes, these trucks will stay highly desireable by the general public and enthusiasts for many years to come. JMO

So says a new owner of a "Classic". :D

Who cares what other's think or thet the LLM is now out which makes your "Classic" obsolete. Enjoy your truck and drive on.........:)

So says a new owner of a "Classic". :D

Who cares what other's think or thet the LLM is now out which makes your "Classic" obsolete. Enjoy your truck and drive on.........:)

You're right, I guess I'm a little crabby from all the snowblowing I've had to do over the past week or so. Plus my truck is so dirty from the salt and snow that it is driving me crazy.:banghead:

I respectfully disagree with you that a 07 Classic is outdated. The design, body style, and duramax/Allison combination are a key part of this classic marque. It's almost like saying that a 67 Corvette is outdated. Like the Corvettes, these trucks will stay highly desireable by the general public and enthusiasts for many years to come. JMO
OK I agree in part. I consider a 67 Corvette a classic not an 07 Silverado(only time will tell). The current model Silverado has been an awesome truck and still is and will be for a long time. I just would prefer the new model vs. the current classic and maybe using "outdated" was the wrong choice of words. "Redesigned" model might work better.

If its a recall then why would GM BS about it being the alts if its actually the DPF? I ordered one and can't wait. Oh and if it has problems I guess they'll have to fix it. I held off on the 07 Classic to get the 07.5. I can't stand to pay that much for a vehicle that will be outdated in 2 months.

Wait until you are out running around and can't find ULSD to fill the tank. That is why you want the Classic because nationwide mandate for ULSD isn't until 2010.

Wait until you are out running around and can't find ULSD to fill the tank. That is why you want the Classic because nationwide mandate for ULSD isn't until 2010.
I just counted 41 stations in my area that offer ULSD. I also saw several in neighboring states. This fuel is going to more previlant each passing year up to 2010 and the fuel the "classic" operates best on will be harder & harder to get. I also read on this site about the 3500 LMM that was filled with non ulsd for 5500 miles and seemed to run great without it. Maybe I should be, but I'm just not that concerned about driving around looking for ULSD.

I just counted 41 stations in my area that offer ULSD. I also saw several in neighboring states. This fuel is going to more previlant each passing year up to 2010 and the fuel the "classic" operates best on will be harder & harder to get. I also read on this site about the 3500 LMM that was filled with non ulsd for 5500 miles and seemed to run great without it. Maybe I should be, but I'm just not that concerned about driving around looking for ULSD.

The truck should run fine, it's the DPF that will plug and those won't be cheap nor will the be warrantied if plugged up from LSD. That is why I would go with the LBZ because it will burn both without plugging anything.

I just counted 41 stations in my area that offer ULSD. I also saw several in neighboring states. This fuel is going to more previlant each passing year up to 2010 and the fuel the "classic" operates best on will be harder & harder to get. I also read on this site about the 3500 LMM that was filled with non ulsd for 5500 miles and seemed to run great without it. Maybe I should be, but I'm just not that concerned about driving around looking for ULSD.

Ditto - I thought living in MI I would be safe from ULSD for awhile. I'm having a hard time finding a station that doesn't have it.

The truck should run fine, it's the DPF that will plug and those won't be cheap nor will the be warrantied if plugged up from LSD. That is why I would go with the LBZ because it will burn both without plugging anything.
Your right, If all I put in it was LSD then the filter would probably plug. My point was that I see no problem finding ULSD therefore no issues and in the rare instance I need to use LSD I guess I'll deal with the consequences

I like the new truck, myself.

From my understanding though, the main difference (as far as desired changes, not partical trap) is in the body. The rest of the vehicle is primarily the same. So I'm not upset, nor do I feel I have a subpar vehicle, and won't for years to come. I knew when I bought mine that a new body was in the works. I also new about the emissions crap, so I bought mine before the changes came about just to be sure. Mine is tried and proven. With that being said, I don't think the new emissions stuff is going be a big problem, other than price increases.

If the recall is true, than my high appreciation for the customer service I have received from GM just increased a great deal, and is a wise business decision. If GM jumps on a problem when it arrives, it will potentially save millions of dollars down the road. They'll only have to fix a small number of vehicles now, and correct in the factory, as opposed to a whole bunch of vehicles later in production. Maybe they learned something from Ford fires and how that turned out.

I have never heard of a fire from the dual alt., on previous trucks so my feeling is (if true) it is for the new vehicles. Maybe the new wiring for all the emission stuff affected how the wiring for the alternator worked. I don't know, just guessing based on current information. Either way, GM jumped on this quick, if true, and I commend them.

I won't put any stock in this recall until I see something more concrete. Thus, my opinions are just that, opinions.

Your right, If all I put in it was LSD then the filter would probably plug. My point was that I see no problem finding ULSD therefore no issues and in the rare instance I need to use LSD I guess I'll deal with the consequences


Good luck with the truck.;)

Good luck with the truck.;)
Thats what I'm hoping for. Thanks:)

IMO the 2007 classics with be far more desirable after the first batch of 07 new styles come out and have been around for enough guys to run into trouble with them. Maybe all the hype aboot the new emissions is starting to get to me but my choice would have to be an 06 LBZ.

i woulda bought that LMM for $40,000 and turned around and auctioned that thing off since there not out yet (apparenty 1 is out lol). some crazy rich guy woulda payed a good bit for it i bet.

i dont beleve this as there arnt any lmm's out yet,all stations[all over the country] ive been in since sept/oct have been ulsd

cbouulglh csohuagth

well this one didnt burst into flame but other have, so im guessing that a little problem that GM needs to address, there for they are recalling the LMM's with the problem.
where are you getting this info from. 3 techs did searches and found nothing?????

thats the dealership told me happened to the LMM that they had recieved. i drove it, and 2 days later when back up and it was gone, and the manager told me it was recalled.

thats the dealership told me happened to the LMM that they had recieved. i drove it, and 2 days later when back up and it was gone, and the manager told me it was recalled.

Maybe that one specific truck was recalled, not the entire LMM line??

he probably bought it for himself so he didnt have to sell it, either that or he sold it on ebay for way more money. lol

it was prepped and waiting for the truck that day i was up there. they had it sitting out back and the truck came and got it the following day. he didnt buy it for himself, it was recalled. im guessing there was more than one that had a problem becuase this one didnt seem to have anything wrong with it.

Wait until you are out running around and can't find ULSD to fill the tank. That is why you want the Classic because nationwide mandate for ULSD isn't until 2010.

I haven't seen a station that even HAS LSD anymore. Every pump is labeled ULSD(other than big truck stops at the truck island) in the last three months in Oregon, Washington or Idaho. I suppose a few do, but in this neck of the woods you'd have to search long and hard to find LSD. The 2010 mandate is for off road diesel. I wouldn't be the least bit worried about not finding ULSD.

GM has not released anything to the dealership I work at about a recall on the new engine. I don't believe that they are recalling them before they are release to the public.

Hey guys, there is a quick easy way to find out if that dealer is full of it or not. Why don't we just ask Machoosh to run it's vin# 1GCHK29677E507572? Be interesting to see what pops up. :)

he probably bought it for himself so he didnt have to sell it, either that or he sold it on ebay for way more money. lol

I went into a Chevy dealer in GA on 2/17 and asked about the new '07.5' HD's. (They had none.) A salesman who seemed sincere told me that his GM rep told him that the new ULSD Duramax will be a lot lower (300 hp and 600 lb.ft.) in power due to the fact that they are running on ULSD and have new emissions. He said all three car makers will have the same problem. I was like what? I didn't read that anywhere (Diesel magazines or internet) nor did the GM rep at the Orlando convention last week tell me anything like that. This guy did have a lot of '06's on sale in the lot, so I suspected he was trying to sell his inventory. I went to a Ford dealer that day and asked a senior salesman the same question and he denied any power loss to the powerstroke and quoted the new higher numbers in his brochure for '08. He said the Ford was developed some 3-4 years ago for this changeover and their numbers are on target/correct (350hp 650 lb.ft). I took the '08 F250 Diesel for a spin for the hell of it and noticed while it was still louder than the '06 Duramax, it had more power than the old 6.0 Ford. So I believed the Ford guy's '08 power claims. (The Chevy is more refined for sure). Has anyone heard about this? I haven't seen any 2500 or 3500 '07.5 HD Duramax's, but the Ford guy said he's getting some 35 Superduty's later this month! Way to go GM. :mad:

Well, first off, your dealer doesn't know anything about these new diesels, cuz if he did, he wouldn't be telling people these new diesels have less power, these new diesels are more powerful. 365hp and 660ft./lbs to be exact. The LMM is the most powerful diesel ever built from the factory. And the reason you haven't seen any is because they just started shipping them from the factory this month. The CrewCab trucks start this week and I believe will be shipped within the next week or so. Don't get info from the dealers, there are a few that know what they are talking about, but not many. Come right here, more info than anywhere on the net about GM diesel trucks. Chris

karl chevy just north of Des Moines has a 2007.5 LMM black extended cab LTZ in stock. I could have bought it Saturday as there is NO recall.

The 18 inch wheels look great on the LTZ. Even without the center caps (fresh of the transport)

Sorry the picture is so bad. I'm going to go get some good ones. Sticker was 48k.

D/A Chris is right most car sales people don't have a clue of what they're saling most of the time I have to do the explaining when I go to a dealer for example at the dealer where I ordered my truck there was a guy that didn't even know gm had change their body style already, I told my wife what a waste of $6.75 an hour:eek: karl chevy just north of Des Moines has a 2007.5 LMM black extended cab LTZ in stock. I could have bought it Saturday as there is NO recall.

The 18 inch wheels look great on the LTZ. Even without the center caps (fresh of the transport)

Sorry the picture is so bad. I'm going to go get some good ones. Sticker was 48k.

But in a positive light, the fact I usually know more about a vehicle than the person selling it to me, makes it a much easier task when buying. I just feel sorry for the normal person who doesn't know what they are buying, just whether or not they like the looks of it. Think about how this salesperson saying the new Duramax has 65 less hp and 60 less ft/lbs of torque than it does affects GM. If I didn't know better, I'd go to Dodge or Ford and look. Chris

ive never found a salesman or women that new more about what i was buying [exept 1 when i bought my first snowmobile a 1981 artic cat ''el tigre 6000'' and i was going to buy an 1980 and the owner told me to wait a month and i would get a much better machine, well he was right and ive never bought a motorcycle or snowmobile from anybody else since,ive bought over 10 there and freinds go there too and get taken care of] i have bought 10 trucks and or cars since and i just shop for the best price as every dealer ive been to ,the sales people dont really seem to care or have any real knollage as to the thing their selling,just want to sell what theve got on the lot or in the store,flame me if you want but its true sorry to say

yeah kinda like the salesman that was going to look for a silverado 1500 diesel for more LOL, i told him to call me when he found it, still havent heard anyting! non car savy people that buy cars are most of the time getting screwed over and dont even know it. Know wonder so many car dealer owners do prison time for fraud!

The truck that i test drove was recalled 2 days ago becuase apparentlly a few of them have cought on fire. GM claims its something to do with the doul alt's. my vote is they blame it on the DPF ):h

Don't sweat it! As long as nobody gets hurt, the fires will help to get rid of them UGLY chebys. :D

Respectfully,

FORDUDE

you might be in the wrong site furdydudeDon't sweat it! As long as nobody gets hurt, the fires will help to get rid of them UGLY chebys. :D

Respectfully,

FORDUDE

I went to my dealer and he said all the new LMM trucks have those big funny looking chrome trash can looking things on the front bumper falling off when they catch on fire just before the # 3 rod comes out the side of the engine, something to do with the USLD fuel ?? OH NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

For us californians nomatter what motor you have we're all going to be using the ulsd fuel that's all you see in the pumps now I'm sure nevadans will do the sameI went to my dealer and he said all the new LMM trucks have those big funny looking chrome trash can looking things on the front bumper falling off when they catch on fire just before the # 3 rod comes out the side of the engine, something to do with the USLD fuel ?? OH NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

usld diesel is all over the country since aug/sept of last year,its still diesel so just get to using it its all there is

Thanks for posting the pic, dlewis1340. It's actually a pretty good pic, shows how they look in the real world. And the new Chevy's sure look a lot better than the did in those old photos we were stuck with for months!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=34207&d=1171986892

karl chevy just north of Des Moines has a 2007.5 LMM black extended cab LTZ in stock. I could have bought it Saturday as there is NO recall.

The 18 inch wheels look great on the LTZ. Even without the center caps (fresh of the transport)

Sorry the picture is so bad. I'm going to go get some good ones. Sticker was 48k.

Hey guys I ran the vin number through GM's VIS and the only things I found on it are 2 reprograms, one for the BCM running the batterys down and the other for the ECM. It is a LT1 4x4 with the LMM engine. As of right now it has been delievered to SIMMONS ROCKWELL CHEVROLET BUICK PONTIAC GMC. Thats all I can find on it, if you would like any more details let me know.

NO recalls on the LMM, parts restrictions for all associated parts for the DPF, Videos going to ALL dealers with color pictures of the DPF when non
ULSDF is used-no warranty. ULSDF has been nationwide since November 06. Mexico is not going to comply untill October 2008. DO NOT go to Mexico and fuel your new DMAX-PLEASE, it will cost you a lot if you do.

Another GM TECH

NO recalls on the LMM, parts restrictions for all associated parts for the DPF, Videos going to ALL dealers with color pictures of the DPF when non
ULSDF is used-no warranty. ULSDF has been nationwide since November 06. Mexico is not going to comply untill October 2008. DO NOT go to Mexico and fuel your new DMAX-PLEASE, it will cost you a lot if you do.

Another GM TECH



Thanks for clearing up all the confusion master.:)

NO recalls on the LMM, parts restrictions for all associated parts for the DPF, Videos going to ALL dealers with color pictures of the DPF when non
ULSDF is used-no warranty. ULSDF has been nationwide since November 06. Mexico is not going to comply untill October 2008. DO NOT go to Mexico and fuel your new DMAX-PLEASE, it will cost you a lot if you do.

Another GM TECH

Ok please no flaming, In my town (and I have NOT GONE to ALL the gas stations) I still have yet to see a ULSD pump. so far it's still LSD. and from what I've read and heard it's not MANDATED till 2010.

Well, first off, your dealer doesn't know anything about these new diesels, cuz if he did, he wouldn't be telling people these new diesels have less power, these new diesels are more powerful. 365hp and 660ft./lbs to be exact. The LMM is the most powerful diesel ever built from the factory. And the reason you haven't seen any is because they just started shipping them from the factory this month. The CrewCab trucks start this week and I believe will be shipped within the next week or so. Don't get info from the dealers, there are a few that know what they are talking about, but not many. Come right here, more info than anywhere on the net about GM diesel trucks. Chris

Chris, This same Chevy salesman saw my '06 Trailblazer SS (I drove it that day) and told me my power numbers on this truck are the same as the 6.0 in the new 1500 (360hp). I told him my power was more like 395hp/400lb.ft., (It's in the Chevy product manuals and on their website) and again he said his GM rep told him these lower numbers. (I think he at the least, did not understand his rep or at most was full of crap) It would make sense that the Duramax might be lower in power, something that all cars had to endure in the 70's and 80's when manufacturers had to deal with emissions regs. But they dealt with it and figured out how to make huge power with pollution control. So I think the new diesels will have their power despite new emissions. Like you said and I read in 3 Diesel publications, the Dmax is the most powerful out there for '08. Now what to do about bumping power like I did easily on my '02 Dmax w/o harming the new pollution control. The '08's are going to be sniff tested like the gas trucks.

hey guys, i just got back from the dealer and the truck is back from the factory. apparentlly, it was something to do with the alt's. all they did was switch out the alternater that was bad, and sent it back. the trucks back on the lot. no price yet!

I have been driving a diesel with dpf for two months now. I have had to put 2 tanks of regular LSD when I could not find ULSD. No problems. THe dealer states its okay every now and then, but it will shorten the time between clean cycles to burn off the soot. It may also shorten the dpf replacement time as well, which is extimated ~100,000 miles.

PS Also ran a tank of B-100. It ran great on it except when it got down to 19 degrees one morning, and It did start and run but was fuel-hungry (slow acceleration, stalling) until it warmed up to regular operating temperature due to gelling of the fuel.

the LMM's are BioDiesel ready stright from the factory are they not?

ive never found a salesman or women that new more about what i was buying [exept 1 when i bought my first snowmobile a 1981 artic cat ''el tigre 6000'' and i was going to buy an 1980 and the owner told me to wait a month and i would get a much better machine, well he was right and ive never bought a motorcycle or snowmobile from anybody else since,ive bought over 10 there and freinds go there too and get taken care of] i have bought 10 trucks and or cars since and i just shop for the best price as every dealer ive been to ,the sales people dont really seem to care or have any real knollage as to the thing their selling,just want to sell what theve got on the lot or in the store,flame me if you want but its true sorry to say Man, El Tigre 6000, that was one bad Azz sled in the day!! Those were the days....:ro)

Yes, GM as I recall allows biodiesel up to 20% mix, or B-20. Running straight B-100 is not supported by any manufacturers as far as I know. I have a VW that has been on straight B-100 for 3 years, with no problems. It does not have a dpf.