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Scott2500hd
02-11-2007, 01:31 PM
We got one extended cab bright red SLE2 in on friday. Luckly our local station just changed over to Ultra-Low fuel.

The truck drove pretty much the same as we are used to. But the most quiet I have driven. Almost no interior noise at highway speeds. Interior is confortable.

Underneath not as many changes as the 1/2 tons, a lot of the same chassis componants, more crossmembers frame to frame. Transfercase has a new cast and all kinds of exhuast. The tailpipe is going to take some getting used to and I miss the fender flares.

Time will tell.....

Jasondt2001
02-11-2007, 01:48 PM
Welcome to the club! You can always change the exhaust :)

jollyrogr
02-11-2007, 02:56 PM
We got one extended cab bright red SLE2 in on friday. Luckly our local station just changed over to Ultra-Low fuel.

The truck drove pretty much the same as we are used to. But the most quiet I have driven. Almost no interior noise at highway speeds. Interior is confortable.

Underneath not as many changes as the 1/2 tons, a lot of the same chassis componants, more crossmembers frame to frame. Transfercase has a new cast and all kinds of exhuast. The tailpipe is going to take some getting used to and I miss the fender flares.

Time will tell.....

wonder if they finally eliminated the pump rub?

jdugie123
02-11-2007, 04:25 PM
probably with a new t-case

jdugie123
02-11-2007, 04:27 PM
and oh ya :nopics:

RoadShark
02-11-2007, 04:33 PM
Thanks Scott. Do you still hear the pilot injection turn off at highway speeds? They wouldn't have changed it so the pilot injection stays on all the time would they?

GMCJOE
02-11-2007, 04:37 PM
and oh ya :nopics:







:agreed:... :D

dmax Sierra
02-11-2007, 04:44 PM
pictures???

Scott2500hd
02-11-2007, 04:44 PM
Welcome to the club! You can always change the exhaust :)
When I say we got one I mean our dealership.......sorry.

I am not ready to trade yet...........

Scott2500hd
02-11-2007, 04:47 PM
Thanks Scott. Do you still hear the pilot injection turn off at highway speeds? They wouldn't have changed it so the pilot injection stays on all the time would they?

When I say quiet I mean quiet:D you will have to really listen to hear pilot changes.....you will really be impressed.

Scott2500hd
02-11-2007, 05:00 PM
I tryed to get some pictures when it was on the lift,camera issue.

You will recognize most of the chassis componants, besides exhuast and tcase. Tcase looks completly new.

If we have one they should hit other dealers soon, I see the trucks every day, so I would rather hear your opinions.

Get out there and drive em..........:D

saratoga
02-11-2007, 06:10 PM
I didn't get to take one out on the highway, but just driving it around the parking lot at a trade show the interior noise level (or lack thereof) is what impressed me the most and stood out almost more than anything.

Gradyghost
02-11-2007, 06:40 PM
When I test drive one its a test drive to my house!

RoadShark
02-11-2007, 07:07 PM
Scott, what do you think they did to get them that quiet vs an LBZ? I'm wondering, being that it's hard to tell when PI turns off at highway speeds, if someone used EFILive to turn off PI alltogether, would there likely still be more clatter to hear at low RPM's like there would be doing the same with an LBZ? Just curious cause I like atleast a little diesel sound :)

Scott2500hd
02-11-2007, 09:19 PM
In my opinion the exterior noise when the hood is open, not a whole lot differant than the LBZ.

I think the big change is when the hood is shut, or in the cab. I think they really went the extra mile on sealing the engine compartment noise. A lot of sound material and design is in the new body.

I also drove a new 6.0 gasser 2500 HD with the new six speed 6L80-E.....once agian very quiet.

At this point interior sound, comfort and option varitey is what stands out to me even more than the drivetrain.

The new SLE1 and SLE2 packages allow a lot of interior options for the non SLT guys.

We still got a ton of classics.....hope we can sell em....;)

Scott2500hd
02-11-2007, 09:26 PM
I will try to get it back on the lift and get some real detailed pics for ya....

DURAtotheMAX
02-11-2007, 10:22 PM
its no longer an NP261/263 transfer case. the new ones are Magna Powertrain MP1226. MP bought New Process/New Venture, but it still looks to be different than the old 261/263's because the new low range is 2.68 vs. 2.72....

RoadShark
02-11-2007, 11:38 PM
its no longer an NP261/263 transfer case. the new ones are Magna Powertrain MP1226. MP bought New Process/New Venture, but it still looks to be different than the old 261/263's because the new low range is 2.68 vs. 2.72....

Was New Process owned by Chrysler at one time? Like during the era of the NP203?

wfcjr
02-12-2007, 09:10 AM
Scott,

I have a2500HD Crew Cab, Long Bed, Dmax on order.
Do you know anything about the installation of this new cargo management system? At an auto show a guy from GMC told me that the factory install is different from a dealer install on the cargo management system. But when I look at the bed on the new trucks, there appear to be plastic knockouts where the clips for the rails go along the sides & back of the bed. This leads me to believe that the factory & dealer installs must be the same. I am concerned about a dealer install on the rails being different fromo & not as strong as the factory install. Any insight?
Thanks

rodeworthy
02-13-2007, 02:29 AM
Was New Process owned by Chrysler at one time? Like during the era of the NP203?

Yes, it was. Co. I worked for dealt with New Process in the 70's and it was affiliated with Chrysler at the time. We used their transfer cases in off-road heavy machinery (log skidders).

Rodeworthy

Scott2500hd
02-14-2007, 05:01 PM
Scott,

I have a2500HD Crew Cab, Long Bed, Dmax on order.
Do you know anything about the installation of this new cargo management system? At an auto show a guy from GMC told me that the factory install is different from a dealer install on the cargo management system. But when I look at the bed on the new trucks, there appear to be plastic knockouts where the clips for the rails go along the sides & back of the bed. This leads me to believe that the factory & dealer installs must be the same. I am concerned about a dealer install on the rails being different fromo & not as strong as the factory install. Any insight?
Thanks

We have yet to install one, the trucks we have sold have had the factory unit in it.
We did remove and reinstall one for a spary-in bed liner, it was very strait forward,like you said the bed is already set up for it. I dont see it being a issue.

The main thing i was told a few months back at a Ride and Drive class was that the rails need to be removed and the mounting taped before spraying. The rails are tight on tolerance...seems the extra thickness of the liner can move all the rails closer together just enough to cause the boxes to bind.

With more people switching to spray-in this is a good step to remember for those of you have a spray-in and cargo system. After some time I am sure most spay-on companies will be aware of this......but someone I am sure will learn the hard way.

If I do install one I will post.

Scott2500hd
02-14-2007, 05:15 PM
As far as transfer case, my information does not support much on who owns who. If they break we fix em.....here is what i got from SI.


Document ID# 1579179
2007 GMC Truck Sierra - 4WD
Transfer Case Description and Operation

The New Venture Gear (NVG) 261, RPO NP2 transfer case is a 2-speed, part-time with mode shift-on-the-fly capability. It has a chain driven front output shaft and an epicyclical low range planetary arrangement. The NVG 261 transfer case features a 4 position shift lever control located in the vehicle floor plan. As required, the operator can select 4HI position from 2HI on-the-fly, as described in the owners manual. A dash mounted 4WD lamp continues flashing during shifting, until all criteria have been met and the new mode/range position has been reached. Once the new mode/range position is fully engaged and the front axle disconnect locks in, the dash light 4WD indicator lamp remains ON constantly. Range shifting functions similarly, although it should be limited to speeds 5 km/h (3 mph) or less.
The 4 manual mode, or range gear positions, of the NVG 261 transfer case are:
• 2HI - 2-wheel drive high range
• 4HI - 4-wheel drive high range, part-time
• 4LO - 4-wheel drive low range, 2.72:1 gear ratio reduction
• N - NEUTRAL, 4-wheel
When the ignition switch is in the run position and the 4WD shift lever is in 4WD, the transfer case switch closes, supplying a ground to the axle actuator control circuit. With the ground applied, the logic of the front axle actuator actuates a DC motor to engage the front axle and supply voltage to the axle switch signal circuit. The axle switch signal circuit notifies the powertrain control module (PCM) and the anti-lock brake system that the vehicle is in the 4WD mode. The 4WD indicator is commanded on via a Class 2 serial data signal from the PCM. When the 4WD shift lever is in 4WD low, the transfer case switch closes and supplies a ground on the 4WD low signal circuit; this informs the PCM that the vehicle transfer case is in low range. When the vehicle is in low range, the PCM changes the shift pattern of the automatic transmission.
During normal driving situations, the transfer case can operate in the 2WD mode. The driver may choose to select any of the mode/range gear positions while driving the vehicle. However, the transfer case should not be shifted into or out of 4LO unless the following criteria have been met:
• The automatic transmission is in NEUTRAL or the clutch pedal is depressed.
• The vehicle speed is less than 5 km/h (3 mph).
This transfer case also has a NEUTRAL position. A shift to NEUTRAL allows the vehicle to be towed without rotating the transmission output shaft. In NEUTRAL, the rear propeller shaft rotates the transfer case rear output shaft, which rotates the oil pump, providing constant lubrication during towing. Note, this NEUTRAL position is a 4WD NEUTRAL, meaning the front and rear outputs of the transfer case are engaged as though in 4HI. With a disconnecting front axle, there is no power flow to the front wheels, allowing towing with the front wheels off the ground or flat towing without driveline binding. Again, the transfer case should not be shifted into or out of NEUTRAL unless the following criteria have been met:
• The automatic transmission is in NEUTRAL or the clutch pedal is depressed.
• The vehicle speed is less than 5 km/h (3 mph).
The NVG 261 transfer case is available in 5 variations, depending on the engine and transmission configurations. The variations allow the transfer case to handle different torque loads. When servicing the transfer case it is important to understand which variation is being serviced because of the difference in components.
<A href="http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1579179&evc=sm&pubid=1647&cellId=62365&mspsdsubkey=6439#tab1-1579179">NVG 261 Variations

Model
Transmission
Input Gear
Output Shaft
Chain Size
Hi/Low Planetary
Application
Light Duty (LD)
M30 - 4L60E
27T
Spline
32T
Spline
3/8 X 1.25 in
3 Pinion
K1
Light Duty (LD)
MG5 - NV 3500
32T
Spline
32T
Spline
3/8 X 1.25 in
3 Pinion
K1
Heavy Duty 1 (HD1)
MT1 - 4L80E
MW3 - NV 4500
32T
Spline
32T
Spline
3/8 X 1.5 in
6 Pinion
K2
Non Heavy Duty
Heavy Duty 2 (HD2)
MT1 - 4L80E
MW3 - NV 4500
32T
Spline
32T
Spline
7/16 X 1.5 in
6 Pinion
K2
Heavy Duty
Super Heavy Duty (SHD)
ML6 - ZF S6-650
M74 - Allison
29T
Spline
31T
Spline
7/16 X 1.5 in
6 Pinion
K3

The SHD model shares many of the same components, but the increased torque capacity of the SHD requires a double row input bearing and larger diameter rear output shaft, rear output shaft bearing higher capacity, larger rear seal and case halves machined differently.
<A href="http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1579179&evc=sm&pubid=1647&cellId=62365&mspsdsubkey=6439#ss2-1579179">2WD Mode Power Flow


There is a bunch more, didnt want to bore you too much;)

wfcjr
02-14-2007, 06:27 PM
We have yet to install one, the trucks we have sold have had the factory unit in it.
We did remove and reinstall one for a spary-in bed liner, it was very strait forward,like you said the bed is already set up for it. I dont see it being a issue.

The main thing i was told a few months back at a Ride and Drive class was that the rails need to be removed and the mounting taped before spraying. The rails are tight on tolerance...seems the extra thickness of the liner can move all the rails closer together just enough to cause the boxes to bind.

With more people switching to spray-in this is a good step to remember for those of you have a spray-in and cargo system. After some time I am sure most spay-on companies will be aware of this......but someone I am sure will learn the hard way.

If I do install one I will post.
Thanks for the response. When it finally comes in I will let you know how it goes. Also please do post if you install one.

firprf
02-15-2007, 10:10 PM
Hey guys i was able to take a ride up to Springfield today met with Scott2500hd and had my hand on a new 2500hd extra cab sle2 LLM nice looking truck. Quiet, but exhaust is going to take some getting use to. Cant wait for mine to arrive!;)

dmax07
02-16-2007, 01:25 AM
Did you hear any turbo wistle at all or any diesel engine noise? or was it as boring as a gaser? that's the only thing that worries me if so, they're going to be verry boring without it.how about how it drives did you get to drive it at all? Hey guys i was able to take a ride up to Springfield today met with Scott2500hd and had my hand on a new 2500hd extra cab sle2 LLM nice looking truck. Quiet, but exhaust is going to take some getting use to. Cant wait for mine to arrive!;)

RoadShark
02-17-2007, 01:51 AM
Did you hear any turbo wistle at all or any diesel engine noise? or was it as boring as a gaser? that's the only thing that worries me if so, they're going to be verry boring without it.how about how it drives did you get to drive it at all?

That's what I've been interested in too. So far everyone I've asked about them have only one word to say about how they sound: quiet. Whether there's any diesel sound at all, or any turbo whine I'm not sure, but the impression I've gotten so far is, from inside the cab, or even outside with the hood closed, you couldn't tell the difference in sound between an LMM diesel or a 6.0L gas engine. For a brief while I had hope that we could atleast use a tuner to bring back a little noise. But even that sounds unlikely now. Why? Because if you can't even hear an increase in sound at higher RPM's when pilot injection turns off, you probably won't hear it at low RPM's even if you turn PI off full-time. But hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will come along and set me straight. & in the mean time I'll keep my fingers crossed that happens :)

dmax07
02-17-2007, 02:15 AM
I'm with you roadshark, lets hope that that beast makes atleast some noise that's the whole fun about buying a diesel other than horsepower and torque so lets cross our fingers for now That's what I've been interested in too. So far everyone I've asked about them have only one word to say about how they sound: quiet. Whether there's any diesel sound at all, or any turbo whine I'm not sure, but the impression I've gotten so far is, from inside the cab, or even outside with the hood closed, you couldn't tell the difference in sound between an LMM diesel or a 6.0L gas engine. For a brief while I had hope that we could atleast use a tuner to bring back a little noise. But even that sounds unlikely now. Why? Because if you can't even hear an increase in sound at higher RPM's when pilot injection turns off, you probably won't hear it at low RPM's even if you turn PI off full-time. But hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will come along and set me straight. & in the mean time I'll keep my fingers crossed that happens :)

duramaximizer
02-18-2007, 07:16 PM
Personally, the "diesel noise" is just wasted energy and a bunch of inefficient knocking that won't help longevity at all. I would rather have everything smooth and powerfull. JMO

SAYWHAT
02-26-2007, 09:00 AM
Or are we wasting energy trying to mask the sounds a diesel makes naturally?

bajaman
02-26-2007, 04:25 PM
A diesel makes sounds "naturally?? Let me think about this one....;)

Pro Cut
02-26-2007, 06:48 PM
For me, I like the engine as quiet as possible. Let people know you have a diesel with the exhaust...