So I am feeling very nervous today.......drove by my normal fuel stop in upstate NY only to find that #2 finally cracked 2 bucks a gallon......it's only a few cents short of regular gas now.


I am seeing a real problem coming......the cool summer is going to continue into a very cool fall and the heating season is going to be long and cold.........when that happens the price of #2 shoots up like 25-30 cents. In NY we are looking at $2.30 -$2.50 a gallon this winter!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


At that point the economy WILL be impacted by the price of transportation. All those rigs burning a gallon for every 3-4 miles will take a huge chunk of money OUT of the economy.


This so called "recovery" will come to a grinding halt because the cash flow that has kept us moving will dry up. No more spending our way to a better future.





That will be the issue this election.....not the war records of W or Kerry.


Maybe I'm paranoid.......maybe I'm paranoid about being paranoid.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

$1.96 here in Montana. I thought that towards the end of summer the prices were supposed to come down? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Ben

Things had been pretty steady at $1.80 here in north central Ohio for a while. I had been running around with my 41 gallon aux tank empty for a while waiting for a dip in fuel prices. Last Thursday I rolled by Kroger's for food shopping and saw to my surprise that they had diesel at $1.68 in their fuel island!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Needless to say, I whipped right over there and topped up the aux at $1.65 (my Kroger saver fob gives me another 3 cents off the gallonhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif) By last weekend diesel throughout the area jumped to $1.90 where it is hanging today.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif Good news is that I just emptied my OEM tank and swapped to the aux tank of cheap fuel this morning - so I have about 21 days and 600 miles to wait for another "lull" in the pricing.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Boy do I feel your pain. $1.96 or cracked $2. Been paying over $2 here on the left coast for sometime. It is now $2.09, down from a high of $2.45.

Jim

$1.75 here in Evansville, IN. Heard on the news the other day we have the lowest fuel prices in the country....Y'all come visit , ya hearhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


JP

Pilot gas is now cheaper than diesel in KY.

$1.82 here in southwest Ohio. If it wasn't farm show season I would be running red.

Well 1.76 at pump but get a discount with CC so down to 1.73....

Here in Oregon diesel is approximately 20 cents higher than regular, taking it well into the $2 plus range. I guess they are trying to even things out because our diesels get better mileage.

Diesel in the Seattle area is 10-20 cents higher than regular unleaded almost everywhere. Average diesel price is $2.10. Did find a high volume station that has been at about $2 most of the summer.

So I am feeling very nervous today.......drove by my normal fuel stop in upstate NY only to find that #2 finally cracked 2 bucks a gallon......it's only a few cents short of regular gas now.


I am seeing a real problem coming......the cool summer is going to continue into a very cool fall and the heating season is going to be long and cold.........when that happens the price of #2 shoots up like 25-30 cents. In NY we are looking at $2.30 -$2.50 a gallon this winter!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


At that point the economy WILL be impacted by the price of transportation. All those rigs burning a gallon for every 3-4 miles will take a huge chunk of money OUT of the economy.


This so called "recovery" will come to a grinding halt because the cash flow that has kept us moving will dry up. No more spending our way to a better future.





That will be the issue this election.....not the war records of W or Kerry.


Maybe I'm paranoid.......maybe I'm paranoid about being paranoid.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





IMHO, I feel sorry for the truckers, but there is another problem. The trucking companies will up their prices and the truck brokers won't be able to find anyone that can afford some of the loads so the companies raise the prices on their merchandise for the truckers, and then it comes out of the consumers pocket. All of this is curtisy of the Oil companies.


About 3 or 4 weeks ago diesel was $1.579 here. Today it is $1.849 here. I thought price gouging was illegal? I guess it is to everyone except the Oil companies.

Did you see the 2nd quarter profits for Chevron/Texaco, don't remember the numbers but they were huge!


Sure their costs are up, but these were record profits, I'd say they are gouging. If their profits were flat, then I wouldn't complain (as much).

I am wondering just how long fuel prices are going to hang out at these levels. I keep figuring at some point big oil is going to recognize that keeping gas and fuel prices this high just makes alternative fuels that much more competitive.

Just fueled up tonight 1.77, same truck stop was 1.65 2 weeks ago. Next summer we want to come out west, better start putting pennys away now! Maybe better make that quarters.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

$1.74 in okie land but that is 2 cents higher than reg unleadedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

1.899 here in sunny Colorado. This is rediculous!

http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=91505&src=QL


2.39 lowest, highest I saw was 2.65 at the shell.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

It's all a scam to make the Oil company's exec and shareholder's rich and you poor.


And don't ever think it's any other BS.


All the oil company's reported RECORD profit's.


Glad to see their helping the war effort by using any execuse to raise price's and line their own pockets.


There's no reason for Diesel to cost more than gas. It's a CHEAPER product to produce. And most state's have less tax on Diesel than gas. If Diesel cost less before all this price gouging started in your area than it still should now by the same margin. But it's not in my area, Diesel used to be about 35-40 cents a gallon cheaper than gas now it's about 7 cents cheaper. WHY. No reason they just want more of your money.


When winter comes around here they will give the usual BS about producing more home heating oil so they will have to raise Diesel prices even more again. IT'S THE SAME F*KIN PRODUCT.


I run my big truck every day on the local roads and burn about 40 gallons a day. That's about $80 dollars a day I spend for fuel.


4 short years ago I was paying .96 cents a gallon for Diesel.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


So I'm spending about $40 more dollars a day to make a living.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


$40 per day X 22 working days a month = $880 more a month I have to spend in extra fuel price's .http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


$880 a month = a good chunk of the morgage payment.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


$880 a month = a Silverado payment plus the fuel to run it for the month.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


$880 a month = a Mercedes or BMW or Corvette payment http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


$880 a month = some of a kid's tuition payment http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


$880 a month = saving for retirement <IMG onMouseOver="this.style.cursor='hand'" onM

Diesel Dargon....you said it well!

Just filled up for $2.25 per gallon for #2 Diesel here in SoCal. Now more expensive than Premium Unleaded Gasoline.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif Edited by: OC_DMAX

A week ago 1.59 been going up a few cents a day, now 1.77 who knows what it will be next week http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif and the oil companies are happy to annonce they are making a good profit. Like sticking up your A$$ and breaking it off http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

I used to think that I was cool, driving around on fossil fuel. Then I found out what I was doing, was driving down the road to ruin. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Jackson Brown

Diesel now 3 cents higher than Regular Gas at Southern States in Frederick, MD. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifBTW, I called around for Propane Prices for the heating season. Found Southern States at $1.28 a gallon, when I went in the next day to fill out credit app, price had jumped 8 cents overnight to $1.36. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Broken Heart.gif


BOHICA! (Bend Over Here It Comes Again)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifFor whatever the reason, when the price of crude oil reaches an all time high of $50 a barrell, we should expect to see higher prices. Expect to see, but not necessarily like, higher prices. Consumers are funny; once they get over the initial shock of the higher prices, they quit grumbling and just kind of get used to it, and accept it. Remember when they broke the $1 mark? Now $2 + is the future. But hey, we'll still be driving the coolest http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif trucks around, maybe just not as much. It's been $193.9 here in the metro Milwaukee area; every time I go to fuel up, it's up a couple pennies higher.

Diesel Dragon, man I feel for you and others like yourself. $880 a month more in operating costs has got to hurt. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Some of the factors are refinery capacity -vs- demand and the fact that the larger, less industrialized nations are beginnning to use more oil than ever before.

Some predictions are in the $3.00 range as the norm.

A lot of the blame goes to China; not only are we importing a ton of stuff from there but now they are expanding the economy and are taking delivery of a lot more oil to run the factories, etc., so we have to "pay" to get the oil here.


Just filled up over 50 gallons here yesterday at $1.86 a gallon in; just wish I could have bought more fuel two weeks ago in Iowa; we were paying $1.66 a gallon at the Wal-Mart in Oskaloosa!


Go figure?

Just visit'n here near san antone and see 1.77 whereas back home in CA its 2 cents more than premium! Like 2.199


BTW whats w/these texans and their bumper fetishes? Seems as if all their pickups sport an iron yard http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I am wondering just how long fuel prices are going to hang out at these levels. I keep figuring at some point big oil is going to recognize that keeping gas and fuel prices this high just makes alternative fuels that much more competitive.


It will never go down again. Once they know they can charge you for it and get away with it. The auto companies will never look anywhere else due to the money/donations that the oil companies are giving them, and since it is a donation it is a tax writeoff. So therefore it never really leaves their pockets.


I need some help searching for an e-mail address to post for chevron, exxon, etc. If anyone can find something post it son everyone can give them a piece of our minds.


I can't understand how come politicians don't try to use this subject for elections. Is it donations?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifEdited by: dmaxfan

I think the oil companies create a bunch of reasons why gas prices are going to "skyrocket to $4.00 a gallon" and the entire country goes into a panic, then when they only go to $2.50 everyone lets out a big sigh of relief and says "it sucks but at least it's not the $4 they predicted"! By that time everyone is used to the $2.50 a gallon their paying and thank the oil companies for doing a good job of keeping the high prices at bay, gladly paying the 25% BS increase. They seem to do it every couple of years.

I found a station in the San Diego area near my house that is selling #2Diesel for $1.99/gal. Same price as their Regular unleaded. It's Arco with the BP Diesel (just the plain #2 kind). Other stations in my area are at $2.39/gal. Look for the prices to go up for Labor Day.

Even with these prices everyone still drives like they do when fuel was $1.00/gal (if anyone can remember that far back). I know I do. I suppose if we drove slower and got better MPG would help but I think it will take $4.00/gal at least to get to that point.

Just went up from 1.84 to 1.96 per gallon in Elko, NV. This was like overnight. Mo-Ped won't be too comfortable this winter. Some stations here are charging 2.39. These catch people comming off of I-80 but don't get the local's bucks.

Gentlemen like one posted here in oregon diesel has been so high for so long I don't even think about it anymore...Wouldn't do me anygood anyway.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifHow for the life of me figure out why the afterbirth of refined fuel is so high..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Also keep in mind.....I was a M_1 Tank Mechanic for ten years of Army service and just one of those tank's alone gets three gallons of diesel to the mile and plowing thru sand probably even worse than that..You read right 3 gallons to the mile!One tank pretty much goes thru a full tank in a day or two.Did I mention they hold 450 gallons of fuel.So now you know where a lot of supply goes and maybe just maybe why the price remains so hi.


This is just a theory of mine and nothing else.Could be wrong been wrong before....2 cents and nothing else


Tomslick24

The freight co's is the ones taking the beeting. They have to raise rates to compensate for fuel price increase so it gets passed on to us. Cost us 2 wayshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

I'm feeling it.$1.88gal .I just cant understand why the prices vary so much from state to state. I'll bet we will go higher this winter and stay there for awhile.The Russian oil deal on Yukos is not helping either. Iraq is not gona be reliable either.Venuzvela is not stable either.I smell $3.00gal + in the future with record profits.

this is total bullsh*t. Yea we pass that little extra bit on to the customer because we get anywhere between 5-7 mpg with a rig. Depending on load and such. It's the Fuel surcharge. with the oil companies whining about supply which I feel is a total crock of ******ing sh*t. It's the OIL companies that are holding the patents that are keeping us from getting better economy. I can't wait for hydrogen to come out...I am so going to say ****** YOU BIG OIL. Someone needs to campaign against these ******ers and bring them to justice. However it isn't going to happen here because every polititian has their funding from oil in one way or another....every one is glad to be big oil's bitch.

I totally agree with how inefficient our military equipment is too...just look at all that smoke it pours out.

here's a little thought I had a few weeks ago: I think that we should have all our little toys: snowmobiles, atvs and other little jobbies be alternative energy...that way it could be a tax credit or something for the owner...be a mandate and not use up our gas/diesel thereby creating such a demand and saying to big oil....please please do it again....raise the prices. God I sound like a damn tree hugger. I am not a tree hugger I am just not going to pay over 2 bucks a gallon for something that is a by product of producing gasoline. It is still 1.959 here and it used to be 1.70 something back in june...
BRING ON HYDROGEN!!!!!


there i feel much better now... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif Edited by: Wolverine

I like the idea of hydrogen but it ain't gonna happen.


There is a lot of hype about H2 but it takes more energy to produce than is provides when it burns. That energy has to come from somewhere......a power plant....burning gas or oil or coal.....maybe a nuke but we haven't built one of them since TMI so i doubt it.


The idea that we can built powerful motors that give off water as the by product is very cool......just not very practical.


I tell ya guys the real short term solution is to take advantage of the nations ability to grow stuff......stuff that we can use as fuel. Corn...soybean....whatever.....we can figure out how to burn biodiesel and we are the best in the world at growing stuff.....badda bing! 500 hp trucks that smell like popcorn! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Course we would be hungy all the time so we would need all those ponies to haul our fat asses around....but i digress....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I read on this website about a new hybrid silverado, but no more mileage that it gets over the regular, it wouldn't be worth it. It is just a sales gimmick. The oil companies can talk and cry about demand all they want, but the simple fact is, if all cars got 50+ miles to the gallon they would just raise gas prices to about $6 a gallon and you wouldn't be any better off.


http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004/08/20/cx_mf_0823test_2.htmlEdited by: dmaxfan

I'm with you 403, but the sad fact is conventional vegetable oil production would have almost no hope of completely replacing petrodiesel. Vegetable oil extraction from algae is promising, but still a ways from being commercially viable. There is no "silver bullet" in and of itself that is going to fix the energy mess. H2 is a joke, ethanol and biodiesel will help, but I think the largest help will come from utilization of mass transit and more fuel efficient vehicles. Changing people's way of thinking will be the most challenging aspect.

I agree that veggie oil is not a silver bullet. But can you imagine the shock the market would take if the US reduced oil imports by 15%....we are such a huge portion of the demand that oil rich nations would suddenly be choking on oil. The greed factor would take over and the cartel of price fixing would crack and crumble. All it takes is one nation to over produce or under price and the whole market shifts.


Well we can make that market work for us by controling the demand for external oil. We could become selective consumers and not starving slaves to the oil market.


i dunno......I might be talking out my ass but the way I see it we could have more control over this is there were more options.


Guess what.......nuke power is coming back as well........gotta figure it will......we won't need to worry about nuke waste if were under water from global warminghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Clean-coal technologies exist as well, and although they are a little expensive, high natural gas prices will likely push us back to using more coal in the next decade or two.

I agree with the nuclear sentiment as well. I remember doing a term paper on cold fusion when I was in chemistry in high school (too bad Pons and Fleischmann were crazy). Point is, though, new nuclear technologies are out there with the promise of producing much less waste than the "current" (now several decades old) design reactors do. Here is another issue, though, where you will have to convince the public that not everytime someone uses the word nuclear, they mean TMI or Chernobyl.

Running around $1.95 in the Gainesville, Florida area, and gas is $1.80-1.89. Found one station for $1.839.

In Lexington area of Ky the price of diesel has been flucuating between 1.69 and 1.80 or so. I to have seen the Piolt stations with Gas less expensive that diesel, however eariler this week I had heard that the price of fuel should go down after labor day. Hope it comes true.

KC

Diesel is $1.68http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif in Hattiesburg, MS. Cheap gas is $1.83.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Running about $1.75 here in NE

I agree that world consumption is up and affect's prices some, and that we need more production, but the fact remains that Oil companies are reporting RECORD profit's.


And Diesel finally went up and over the price of gas around here now. Gas $1.89..... Diesel $1.96 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif One of the oil company executive's must need a new Mercedes and they had to raise price's. Hope he dosen't buy a Diesel model, they will have to raise prices Again so he can afford the extra $ for the fuel.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


I got one of my Truck Trade magazine's and in one of the article's they reported that Fortune magazine listed the 500 largest service and industrial companies for '03


#1 Walmart


#2 Britain's BP surpassing Exxon/Mobil


#3 Exxon/Mobil


#4 General Motor's


#5 Ford


And so on


Oh and by the way, The WORLD'S MOST PROFITABLE COMPANY


EXXON/MOBIL





Must be all that refinery, world supply problem's that make's them so rich


Diesel Dragon

$2.09 here in Nevada, was $1.99 over the summer.

diesel-1.99 cheap gas -1.93 unbelieveable how a product produce by making another is more expensive then itscreator....Im lucky enouhg to get most of my fuel through our farm so taxes are non-existent....think we are in the 1.40 range....

You know I think that this has to stop. I can see no real reason other than profit why prices are this high. It is uncalled for. I remember a few years ago when Diesel was $.99 cents a gallon and regular gas was $1.02... I think they were making plenty then and still are now... Might be time to riot...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifI'm in.

I go to wallyworld and buy a 5 gallon bucket of crisco cooking oil. Cetane is 49 and Its 1.10 a gallon.

:)

I use the "LIGHT" cooking oil as the truck runs a little faster.

And by the way its not all G.W.'s fault.

China is consuming 40% of the worlds oil. And its going up every day.

They cant make enough fast enough. Now that people in china are starting to buy cars its all over for us in the west with regards to buying cheap oil.

They say gas/diesel might go to 10 dollars/gallon within 10 years.

China's oil import may reach 120m tons in 2004
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2004-06-28 13:44

An oil specialist predicted that China's oil import could reach 120 million tons and the country's total oil consumption could exceed 300 million tons in 2004.

China is to process 270 million tons of crude oil and the overall oil consumption can hit 30.8 million tons, said Tian Chunrong, a senior engineer with the information department of China Petroleum and Chemical Corporation, China's largest oil refiner.

Fuel consumption is expected to keep rising to 48.5 million tons in 2004 owing to the strong demand of the thriving power generation industry, Tian said at a recent seminar on China's oil market in 2004 held in Haikou, the capital of the southernmost island province of Hainan.

The demand for fuel has triggered import increase, Tian said. Statistics show that China's fuel import reported a year-on-year rise of 69 percent in the first four months than that of the same period of last year.

Diesel export was expected to decrease remarkably in 2004 as domestic demand is soaring, in particular in its power generation and transport industries, Tian said.

The yearly diesel consumption is expected to increase from 84 million tons in 2003 to 95.50 million tons in 2004. The net import of diesel went up to 400,000 tons in the first four months, and the figure is projected to reach 1.2 million tons by the end of the year, a record high in six years, according to Tian.

The rapidly expanding private car population contributes to the fast growth of gasoline consumption, Tian said. The annual consumption of gasoline was expected to increase from 40 million tons in 2003 to 45 million tons in 2004.

The gasoline export dropped one third in the first four months than that of same period of last year, he said. The gasoline export reported a record high of 7.54 millions tons in 2003Edited by: problemchild

Payed 1.71 on the way home tonite


Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

It's been pretty steady at $1.759 here is SE Michigan at Meijers.

AH filled up today and paid $1.69... Still high but getting better here...

You think it's bad for truckers, look at farmers. We can't add on a fuel surcharge because we just take the low prices we get, and we use a lot of diesel in a year. Last year I think a bit less than 10000 gallons... I've been planning to buy a bigger tank so I can buy when it's low, but when will it ever get low again?

i hear ya nar....We got 2 10,000 gallon tanks, and i cant remember the last time we filled them both....We are just going by trailer load to trailer load hoping my the next fill up it will have gone down enough to make it worth our wild.....

It's been pretty steady at $1.759 here is SE Michigan at Meijers.

Go East 20 Miles to the Richmond / New Baltimore area and you'll find diesel anywhere from a low of $1.81 (Meijers 23 Mile / M-3) all the way up to $1.95 (M-59 & M-97). Looks like your getting it at a pretty good price.

One more comment on edit. How can there be such a local price difference. I remember the days when gas was within $.05 no matter what station you went to!Edited by: skoryaro2

You guys are killing me..... I havent seen diesel in our area below $2.15 in the last 4 weekshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifEdited by: Blinky

$1.90 In Frederick, MD. $1.93 in Baltimore, MD


Regular Gas is $1.78 to $1.83


We are getting smoked is right!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

The kicker of it is though ...........The oil companies have us conditioned now to think we are getting a good deal when the price drops below $1.70!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

I am paying $1.83 in Baltimore area. Thank goodness my girlfriend has a VW turbo diesel beetle getting 43 mpg. It kind of negates me driving the diesel truck getting about 17 mpg. Edited by: jonekelly

Jonekelly,


My fiancee drives a Pasatt TDI Wagon, gets about 39 mpg.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

$1.889 for BP Diesel supreme up here on the North coast. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

You think it's bad for truckers, look at farmers. We can't add on a fuel surcharge because we just take the low prices we get, and we use a lot of diesel in a year. Last year I think a bit less than 10000 gallons... I've been planning to buy a bigger tank so I can buy when it's low, but when will it ever get low again?


No offense _nar_ , but Farmers get cheaper fuel and money from the government. A trucker gets nothing. BTW, a trucker uses more fuel than that a year. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gifEdited by: dmaxfan

Good news!! On the way in to work this AM I saw that gas in my neck of the woods jumped $0.10 overnight --- diesel fuel stayed the same price so now it's cheaper than gas!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

.........UUUUMMMMMM - I think that's good newshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

A smart man once told me to buy stock in the oil companies.

That way, if the price goes up at the pump your stock goes up. If the price falls at the pump, you get cheaper fuel.

It may not balance out but at least it makes you feel a little better when they start gouging you at the pump!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Seems to have stabilized @ $1.79 to $1.89 around here.

We have one station here in New Bern,NC that is charging $169.9 for diesel most are $184.9. I wonder why it cheaper there? I am on my second tank and everything seems ok. They just open a couple months ago.

dmaxfan-I know a lot of truckers and know they use a lot of fuel, I'm just saying we also use a lot. And yeah some of it is cheaper because it's off road and so has no on road tax added to it, but what we use in our pickups and big trucks is the same as what you buy. Also the price of most of the fertilizers we use have gone up at least $60 a ton since 2003, some more than that. That's due to the fact that most fertilizer is made using oil or natural gas... So now everything we buy is too expensive. On our farm we're going to use more fuel this winter to haul and spread manure instead of buying overpriced fertilizer. Hopefully what we save in not buying fertilizer isn't used up hauling crap... And yeah some farmers get money from the government. It depends what you farm and where. I know a lot of people think farmers are getting rich off subsidies but that isn't really the case. Some of the larger corporate farms can play the markets and futures and end up getting a lot of money from the government. We try not to mess around with that at all. I would avoid the government and crop insurance entirely if it was possible, but when you have to finance your operation the bank makes you use both. Oh well I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it. Just don't think that we are getting rich off your tax dollars, because you are subsidizing the people that work at wall mart more than the farmers. Interesting article on subsidizing wall mart in the paper today BTW... Now I see why they have such low prices...

as of 9/19/04, diesel has gone up to $1.829 to $1.909 in the area around Raleigh, NC


Jim

dmaxfan-I know a lot of truckers and know they use a lot of fuel, I'm just saying we also use a lot. And yeah some of it is cheaper because it's off road and so has no on road tax added to it, but what we use in our pickups and big trucks is the same as what you buy. Also the price of most of the fertilizers we use have gone up at least $60 a ton since 2003, some more than that. That's due to the fact that most fertilizer is made using oil or natural gas... So now everything we buy is too expensive. On our farm we're going to use more fuel this winter to haul and spread manure instead of buying overpriced fertilizer. Hopefully what we save in not buying fertilizer isn't used up hauling crap... And yeah some farmers get money from the government. It depends what you farm and where. I know a lot of people think farmers are getting rich off subsidies but that isn't really the case. Some of the larger corporate farms can play the markets and futures and end up getting a lot of money from the government. We try not to mess around with that at all. I would avoid the government and crop insurance entirely if it was possible, but when you have to finance your operation the bank makes you use both. Oh well I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it. Just don't think that we are getting rich off your tax dollars, because you are subsidizing the people that work at wall mart more than the farmers. Interesting article on subsidizing wall mart in the paper today BTW... Now I see why they have such low prices...


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