My 03 came without the XM radio. I would like to add the GM XM radio but have concerns about being able to simply plug and play. I asked my dealer about this and was refered to an aftermarket installer. Does anyone know from first hand experiance if the GM XM radio can be installed and work properly in my truck?


Thanks,


Jack

There are others here that will know more and they'll chime in quickly, but I also wanted the same thing. My dealer said the radio is plug and play, but don't forget we'll have to install the XM antenna. The radio is very costly right now, plus I'm sure the GM antenna is higher than say delphi's antenna. I'm waiting for the roady with fm modulator as a poor second.

Well, I am very interested in this too. I did some digging this mornind and I am slowly finding answers. I found an adapter that looks like it will allow a pioneer xm unit to work through the factory head unit including display and controls. Not much info yet but here is some stuff I found.





http://www.soundgate.com/products/cd/gmc.htm


http://www.xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?t=12127

I sent an email to the company asking a few questions. I am getting excited now http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Looks like there is a blitzsafe part coming soon that should work a little better and is supposed to be a better product. Might want to hold off for a few weeks. http://www.blitzsafe.com


The sound gate one is distributed by metra and built by Ventura for anyone who wants to do some more research.

I know I will be waiting for the blitzsafe product.

Looks like there is a blitzsafe part coming soon that should work a little better and is supposed to be a better product. Might want to hold off for a few weeks. http://www.blitzsafe.com


The sound gate one is distributed by metra and built by Ventura for anyone who wants to do some more research.

I know I will be waiting for the blitzsafe product.


Max Power,


Please post when you get one of the www.blitzsafe.com (http://www.blitzsafe.com) units. It sounds very interesting.


Thanks for your research.


Regards,


Jack

Will do. I might actually try the soundgate one anyways rather then wait. It seems it is working as I want it to. I still have to get a tuner and an antenna as well.

I think I'm going to opt for the Sirus over the X-M. From what I have heard from my son, who installs both at work, both work fine but Sirus has the edge when it comes to the broadband channels. They will in the end have more station choices.


Each one has times during the year when you can get their head unit very cheap while signing up for a one year service contract.

I really think it depends on what you want to listen to as to which is a better deal. The other thing to consider is Sirrus has already been into bankrupcy. I'm not sure if they are out of it yet or not. Even if they are it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy that they were.

Guys, I've installed the Soungate PIOGM1 adapter and the sound works perfectly. So much better than FM modulation. The text is displayed but not quite right. I'll talk with Soundgate tomorrow. The instructions say it is for a Pioneer 900 or 903. I'm using a 910 so maybe there is some tweaking to do for a 910. Check out my sig for pics.

Thanks so much Trippin. I have one more simple question, does the cable that connects the PIOGM1 and the Pioneer tuner come with the tuner or te PIOGM1?

Is there any chance you could take a pic of the antenna? Also what model of antenna did you use? I have to buy some stuff through ebay probably. I am in Canada and it might be hard to get retailers to ship to me.



Thanks

Maxpower,


The cable between the tuner and the adapter was supplied with the tuner.


I'm using a Terk XM3 antenna. I just threw it up in the middle of the dash next to the little dome shaped thingy. It is magnetic but the dash is not, so I temporarily used some two sided tape. This is hack, but just for testing purposes.


I just discovered that Onstar doesn't work. I'll talk to Soundgate on Monday.Edited by: Trippin

Thats too bad the onstar doesn't work. I would be willing to sacrifice it if I had too. Let us know how you make out.

What did you pay for the PIOGM1?

They retail for 149.99. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I'm just posting info for now. I don't recommend anybody buy one just yet. They have a couple of things to work out. I really wanted to do a factory type XM install "Right now" so I was willing to step up and throw down the cash.

That's more then the tuner! Oh well, if you get it working it will be well worth it. Keep us updated because my visa is burning a hole in my pocket!

I've been dying to ask you this since I first saw your sig weeks ago. What did the Rice Krispies say to do today? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Not too much. They were swimming in Rum last night instead of their usual milk diet. They are fairly quiet today. Have hardly heard a snap, crackle or a pop. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

Ok heres the latest. A buddy of mine brought a 900 into work today. We plugged it in and got sound but no text. I unplugged the Soundgate adapter and let it sit for 15 minutes. Sort of a rest period. I plugged it back in and the sound is immediate but the text takes approx. 30 seconds to start. It appears that by rotataing the tuner knob the text appears sooner. It displays 8 character text. Channel is displayed correctly where as the 910 channel display hunts around. Text is correct and can be scrolled through by pushing the recall button in the middle of the tuner knob. A total of 4 pushes on the recall button for different text/time diplays.

Soundgate confirms the 910s longer text display is causing the problem. They are working on an updated unit to except either 900 or 910.

I currently have a Pioneer 903 w/fm modulator in my Pickup. If one of the adapters you are trying, it sure would be nice to use the steering wheel controls to tune it. I will keep checking back here to see how it is working. With the Pioneer Control head you have to take your eyes off the road for too long, I do not like that. I am using a Antenna Specialists Rooftop Antenna XM20/CP, mounted infront of the middle brake light and the lead-in goes through the light.Edited by: BIGMoe

I currently have a Pioneer 903 w/fm modulator in my Pickup. If one of the adapters you are trying, it sure would be nice to use the steering wheel controls to tune it. I will keep checking back here to see how it is working. With the Pioneer Control head you have to take your eyes off the road for too long, I do not like that. I am using a Antenna Specialists Rooftop Antenna XM20/CP, mounted infront of the middle brake light and the lead-in goes through the light.





Big Moe,


The Soundgate PIOGM1 adapter will work with your Pioneer 903. You will need to buy the Pioneer IP bus cable for a Pioneer 900, and the Soundgate adapter. The Soundgate instructions talk about this type of installation. I posted the instructions on my site. The steering wheel controls will work great.


I just bought an open box 900 at Frye's for $40.00. You may want to consider finding a 900 on E-bay. It would already have the right cable and you could peddle your 903 to someone who wanted FM modulation.


Soundgate is supposed to have the new adapter for the 910 which will address the text problem in about 3 weeks. I'm really happy with the 900 installation in my 03. As soon as Soundgate gets me the new adapter I'll report.

Trippin,


Hey thanks for the information, I just went to Soundgate's website and learned they are only 109 miles from me. I think I will just take a drive next week and talk to them direct. Who would think Wyoming would have someone who makes something like that. Edited by: BIGMoe

<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="4129237552">Soundgate is not the manufacturer. They just relable them. Still handy for you though!</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="4129237552">
Trippin, can you find me a deal like that? In canada I am kind of limited to buying from ebay. No luck so far.</LABEL>

Max Power,


I'll take a look next time through. Hopefully I can hook you up.


Big Moe,


After talking to a couple of guys from Soundgate, it seems they are originally from So Cal. Tell em "Trippin" sent ya! (They will probably charge "you" double for mentioning me)Edited by: Trippin

<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="4035694755">This is about the cheapest I have found so far.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="4035694755">http://www.logjamelectronics.com/soundpiogm1.html</LABEL>

Max Power,


Found this Pioneer 900 for $93.99.





http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&amp;PROD_ID=497959&amp;cid=19490&amp;fp=F

Thanks Trippin. I ended up buying a 900 with a terk antenna and all cable off of ebay for $51. The going rate on ebay was over $100. The auction closed at 6:00am so I guess i was the only one around to bid. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif The guy was real good to deal with and is shipping it to me in Canada. Thanks for keeping your eye out for me.


I ran into problems with LogJam and soundgate. Neither of them will ship to Canada. I could have go the adapter for $100 through logjam. I ended up having to order it through a local distributor. It is going to take 3 weeks and cost $135us plus tax. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

My dealer ordered the Audiovox system for my truck. It was 400.00 their expense. I get it hooked up tomorrow. I will post my outcome on Monday.

Check out the XM Commander.


Everything I'm reading about it has been positive. I'm going to order one in the next few days. The controller is about the same size as the pioneer. 4.5 x 1.75. It should fit in the o/h console without much of a problem.
XM Commander (http://www.xmradio.com/commander/)

The Commander is very cool. But the Soundgate adapter lets you control the Pioneer unit through your factory head unit without the need to mount an additional display somewhere.

I will have to agree with Trippin on this. I now have a Pioneer GEX-FM903XM. The control head is a pain. It would be a lot nicer to use steering wheel controls, by using the adapter from Soundgate. It will work just like a Factory Installed unit.

BIGMoe you can use the soundgate with your 903 but you will need to order the IP bus cable as well.

Max Power, Below is the information I received from Soundgate:


This interface should work complete for you, there is not really any need for a cable unless the one that came with your system is missing or something. We just received these into stock and still have a little bit of a backorder on them but the ones that are in the field are working very well. Basically all you would need to do with this interface is plug it in. Thanks CHET.

To the best of my knowledge the 903 does not come with an IP bus cable. If you don't have a cable that plugs into the IP bus slot and has the same end on the other end then you need to buy one. I am pretty damn sure that you need to buy an IP bus cable.

Big Moe,


The Soundgate instructions clearly state the need for Pioneer 903 users to purchase the IP bus cable. You can view the instructions on my site. Look at the bottom of step 3b.


Here is a link for the cable.


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4109_32744,00.html

Max Power &amp; Trippin,


Thank you both for the information. I will need the IP Bus Cable, not sure when I will order the Soundgate adapter with Christmas comming. I may wait and see if Santa might think I need it. I did put the IP Bus Cable on my Christmas list right along with the Soundgate adapter. Thanks for being so helpful. Its nice to have people like you here to help out. That is what makes this forum so good!!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I will keep checking back here to see how everyone else is doing with the Soundgate Adapter.Edited by: BIGMoe

WEll mine is installed and works great. It works with the steering control buttons. So I am very happy. Plus the monitor fits nice in the center console hole. Wow perfect fit. Look sgreat also.

I have a question for someone that has a Pioneer unit installed. My wife had mine installed for my birthday, and the installer wired to power so it goes off with the ignition switch. It will not stay on until you open the door or it times out. Were could I find the right wire to tap into so it will go off the same time the radio goes off. The installer wants $30.00 to correct his mistake. I know it can be wired the other way, because a guy I met at Best Buy told me Best Buy installed his so it goes off the same time the radio goes off.


Thanks

I've got mine spliced into the back of the cig lighter. When I turn off the ignition XM goes off for a second and then returns. I'm going to try and find the hookup at the fuse box called RAP for "retained accesory power". Might be a good question for Dmaxallitech. Eric?

I picked up the 903 at walmart for $96 but nobody has the soundgate (including soundgate) adapter in stock. If anyone know where I can get one please let me know. Cas

Try http://www.logjamelectronics.com Don't forget you need the IP bus cable with the 903 too!Edited by: Max Power

tried them first, no gots! They got a soundgate ordr in today but none of what I need.

The PIOGM1 is distributed by metra and built by Ventura. You might want to see if you can get a hold of metra or Ventura and see if they can get you one sooner. You could also call soundgate and ask for the names of a few retailers. A few phone calls to them and you might be able to find one kicking around. It is a really new product so you might just have to wait.

Max,


The whole Metra/Ventura thing was covered at XMfan.com. If I have my facts right Soundgate does/did in fact use some Metra stuff. The PIOGM1 is not one of them. (According to Soundgate, I asked point blank before I bought) And Ventura has been out of business for a while. Something about sales in something that was federally controlled. An extended stay in the Gray Bar Hotel has been mentioned.


Just passing along rumors I heard. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Big Moe,


I was thinking about you today on the drive to work. Listening to XM of course. The fact that the installer did not follow the instructions that clearly describe the need for a constant 12 volt power source makes him liable to fix "his" mistake free of charge. I would certainly work my way up the managerial ladder at that place to get it corrected or the install price refunded. Just my humble opinion.Edited by: Trippin

Trippin,


I felt the same way, the guy I talked to was the owner. He told me it was installed the right way. He will never get any of my bussiness again. This is a small comunity and word gets around. I don't think it is worth taking him to small claims cort over $30.00. I posted on Ask Duramax Tech to see if Eric will tell me the right place to connect for power. Thanks For Thinking About me.

After hearing how well everyone likes the Soundgate PIOGM1, I put on my sad puppy dog face and the wife let me order it as an early Christmas present!!!! As everyone knows they are all on backorder, I was told they should ship them by the end of November. I also ordered the IP bus cable, for my Pioneer 903. Thanks Again for letting me I needed the IP bus cable. Now I can't wait for it all to get here.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hired Gun,


I will not have to leave in the Pioneer Monitor in, with everything going to the Radio will I?Edited by: BIGMoe

Big Moe,


The Pioneer monitor goes bye bye. Your channel, song and artist display will be on your factory radio. Push the band button for AM, FM1, FM2, XM1 and XM2. Presets and everything else works just like listening to your normal radio except it's XM and sounds better! The Pioneer 900 and 903 tuners only display 8 character text. The Pioneer 910 will display 16 character text, as soon as Soundgate finishes the update to the adapter. Should be any day now.

Does anyone know were the RAP "retained accesory power" point is so I can hear my XM Radio after I turn off the key like the factory ridio does?

I just installed my pioneer 903 through the fm mod because I couldn't find anyonw with the soundgate part to hard wire. Walmart has the 903 for $96 which as good as ebay on a used one.


I too can't find the Rap tie in so the xm stays on with the radio. Now it turns off with the key. Any help on this would be great, Cas

Proceed at your own risk. I'm only telling you what I see from my '02 Helms manual. Looks like the RAP power source goes into the radio on a Dark Green wire (pin 9 on Connector 1 which is a black connector.) Can't tell you how many connectors there are on the radio, looks like either 2 or 3 depending on which radio you have. If you have a newer truck there could be more connectors. But on the '02 both radios get RAP power through a dark green wire on pin 9 on the black connector 1. Be careful. There should also be another Dark Green wire on this connector on pin 3 which leaves the radio and goes to right front door speaker. Hope this helps.

Would like to know if there is a way to extend the antena on a factory xm radio


to the roof of a truck camper. Ordered a xm radio in a 3500 D/A and didn't think


about it not being able to see the sky. thank you in advance.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Cliff

02 and 03 are COMPLETELY different. I will find info for 03's in the next couple days. I have to take care of a few things first.





blipblip, from what i read GM antennas use standard connectors. I think you could but a Terk or any other brand with the green and yellow connectors and use that. Apparantly the connectors are just a few inches from the antenna though. You would have to go into your headliner to make the connection.

Something else to consider. Max Power may be able to find out for you. Again on my '02 the RAP1 (which goes to the radio) source, is fused through a 10A fuse on the drivers side instrument panel fuse box. If your truck is setup similar, it might be easier to get RAP power from this fuse box.

Looks like the new (PIOGM1V2) interface just became available today?


http://store.yahoo.com/logjam/soundpiogm1.html


I just ordered one and now need to buy the Pioneer XM unit. Should I get the 910? Any tips on where the best deal is and a good antenna? Completely new to XM but have been wanting it for quite awhile. Any tips on where to place the antenna?Edited by: tophog

tophog,


I would get the 910 as it is the latest model. I have a 903 with using the mod. that works great. Just as well get the latest model. I am waiting for my PIOGM1 that is on backorder. The reason I am going for the PIOGM1 is I want to use the steering wheel controls on my 03. About were to get the best deal I would do a search with GOOGLE and check it out. There are a range of antenna's out there. Not sure what one would be the best. I have an Antenna Specialist pancake looking one that is mounted just in front of the third brake light, it eliminated having to drill a hole in the roof. With the 903 I have to also get a bus cable as noted already in this thread.


I am excited about getting my P10GM1, hope my backorder isn't too far back. It looks like I will get the P10GM1V2

I went ahead and ordered the 910 this afternoon from Buy.com as they had it in stock for $125 plus a $10 instant off coupon. I didn't think it was too bad so I got it. I "think" all I need now is an antenna and some knowledge about where/how to install the 910, etc. I too am planning on installing an antenna above the 3rd brake light ... don't have to drill holes correct?


Anyone else with any tips for a XM "newbie"? I.e. Where is the best place to mount the Pioneer unit and the most popular/best antenna for our trucks ...an extension required?


On edit: I don't need anything else except an antenna correct? The 910 comes with the cable to connect to the PIOGM1V2?Edited by: tophog

Mine Pioneer 903 is mounted under the left rear seat on my cc. It fits neatly there. About anything else Max Power can answer that, I am sure he said the 910 comes with everything you need with exception of the antenna.


Something else you can go to www.xmradio.com (http://www.xmradio.com) and register your unit and have it activated. It will save you a few bucks. You can also set up an account for electronic billing. Edited by: BIGMoe

antenna is all you need. 910 comes with everything else.

I'm excited to get XM. After ordering the 910 and the updated PIOGM1V2 which I understand will now handle the 910 (16 char display correctly)? I feel like a kid in the candy store again. Has been a month or so since I've installed a new toy http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Being an XM newbie I am loaded with questions ... seems an XM FAQ/sticky would be useful?


1) What antenna should I buy? Want to place above 3rd brake light as I "think" this is the best location? Where's the best place to buy?


2) Best place to mount 910 and recommended wire routing? I would like to mount under rear seat like BigMoe ...(Is there a better place?) which means I will need to route the cable from 910 forward as well as the power cable to the 910. I think MaxPower is working on identifying "RAP" source for 2003's?


3) How to route cables from 910 to dash ... under carpet around and up the door channels? or up center of carpet? The latter doesn't sound easy ...


4) How does antenna cable to thru 3rd brake light?


5) Anything else I missed?


I have an 03 Crew Cab ...

2) I have buckets in the front. I mounted mine right under the cupholders in the console. I should take pictures. Fits like a glove. I will work on that rap thing. I am waiting for wiring diagrams but I might have to do it manually if they don't show up soon.


3) I really should have taken pictures. I ran my antenna wire through the headliner, down the center post between the 2 drivers side doors under the drivers seat (removed drivers seat) and then into the console.


4) Remove the 3rd brake light and you will see holes through the metal where you can run the wires into the headliner. Really easy.


In the future I plan on adding a factoy GM xm antenna. You can buy them for about $200 and they have the right connectors. The only problem is that the wires are only a few inches long. I will have to see if I can find some extensions.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/xmfanstore/anspxm25foca.html That should fit the bill.


Pretty expensive to go the factory route!

Max Power, thanks for all the info! I've been lurking around the xmfan.com web site and came across this post which you may be intrested in?


http://www.xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?t=8769&amp;highlight=gmpartsdirect+com

Thanks tophog. Here I thought it was $200 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Here are the pics of my antenna installed and tuner installed.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/78Z_DSC00040.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/3B3_DSC00041.JPG


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/4FD_DSC00037.JPG


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.Edited by: Max Power

By the way, this is the junction block under the dash. The one that the brake control plugs into.

Geez, thanks for all the info. Nice install by the way. I would have never known that space was available under the console. Do you have it unit mounted in there or velcroed? I'm up in arms on which antenna I should go with. Does the antenna wire pass between the lense and gasket or the cab and gasket? Did you have to use an silicone or is there a chance of it leaking? Lastly, did you have to use the antenna extension to go up to the console?

I have it screwed in. Velcro would work too.


Cab and gasket if I remember correctly. I also used a couple dabs of silicone to make sure it doesn't leak. I don't think it would leak without but I didn't want to find out the hard way.


I didn't have to use an antenna extension but it was tight! I actually had to alter my route a bit to get it to reach. From the third brake light under the head liner it goes in a straigh line to the pillar between the two doors. Then straight down the pillar, and pretty mucha straigh line to the front of the console under the carpet. Like I said i had to remove the front seat but it is real easy to do.


I looked at many other options for installing the tuner and I didn't like any others. This was the only one that didn't take up any space that I might use. There is plenty of room for it under there and the room is no good for anything else.

Max Power, you mentioned you would like to go with a GM hard-mount antenna? Are you not pleased with your current antenna or don't like the look or just want the OEM look?


No one has recommended an antenna yet ...so I'm not sure which one to get. I don't think there are that many options are there? Is the xmfan.com store the best place to buy one? I was thinking about the Antenna Specialists Rooftop Antenna XM20/CP?


http://shop.store.yahoo.com/xmfanstore/rooftopantenna.html


Is there a better one for our trucks or another place to mount? Would one work very well mounted to the top of a truck box in the bed?

I got my 903 and a terk sr2?? antenna of ebay for $51 for both. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif You could try ebay. Really any antenna will do. I don't know which one is the best.


I just want the factory look.


You definately want one mounted on the roof. Mounted on the top of the truck box will not work as good for sure.

Max Power, thanks once again for all your help. Regarding the GM XM antenna ... not sure if you read this yet but there appears to be a newer XM antenna available on 04 models. You can read about it here.


http://service.gm.com/gmtechlink/images/issues/sep03/TLSep03e.html#story7

Thats good to know. I would have to make sure to get an old one.

I am using the Antenna Specialists XM20/CP on my CC. I was afrade I would loose my signal while pulling my 5 th wheel as it is real high in the front, but never did. I linked that antenna because of it's low profile.


I do like the place Max Power mounted his XM Receiver it is away from everything, yet very accessible. If I was to do mine over again I would go that way.


I forgot to thank Max Power for doing the research on the RAP, that will help when I put in my PIOGM1, if it ever gets here!!!Edited by: BIGMoe

if it ever gets here!!!





I hear you! 3.5 weeks and counting!

Regarding the RAP power source ... in the 900 installation instructions (found at: http://www.xmradio.com/manuals/GEX-P900inst.pdf) it specifically states the yellow wire (+12v) should be connected to a constant +12v source meaning it should always have power regardless of ignition switch position, etc. While I'm not sure why the Pioneer XM receiver should always have power, if connected to a RAP source it would be installed "incorrectly" according to the instructions? Could it be that the receiver is powered on via a signal sent from the head unit on the IP bus cable? Edited by: tophog

tophog,


I see that, on my 903 it has 3 wires, yellow to a constant +12v source, red to 12 v terminal controlled by ignition and black to vehicle ground. The IP-BUS cable I had to get for the PIOGM1 came with power power cable molded to it. It only has the yellow and black wires on it. I suppose I will not use the power wires that came with the IP-BUS Cable. The manual that came with my 903 shows using all three wires when using the IP-BUS cable, so I will still have to connect to the RAP. The 900 must have an internal switch that is activated by the PIOGM1, through the IP-BUS cable.

Max Power,


Great job on the install. I'm going to use your pictures to permanently install mine the same way. I'm still waiting for the PIOGM1V2 as well. I spoke to Soundgate last week and they indicated the beta chips had been shipped and the first production chips were going out Friday 11/21/03. I'll post when it gets here.


I spoke to the Terk people at the Sema show a couple of weeks ago and asked about making a combination antenna for On-Star and XM. My fantasy antenna would look the same as the current one but perform both functions. Going for the clean look again. They basically said "Hmmmm".

I have a question for the resident experts. Since the wife has agreed to buy me XM for Christmas I want to make sure I get it correct. I believe the receiver to purchase is the 910 as it will display 16 characters. However how does it do this when the radio is only good for 8? Does it have a scroll feature? Also does it display XM1 and XM2 the way it displays FM1 etc? It also looks as if I will need to drill a hole in the roof to mount the antenna. Trippin your idea of a combo antenna would be nice. Thanks for your help guys, wifes card is burnin a hole in my pocket.

Dave,


If you mount the Antenna the way MaxPower did his in the pictures above, you will not have to drill a hole. About the other stuff someone else will have to answer that for you. I am wating for my PIOGM1 so I can make my 903 work with my steering wheel controls.

Just received confirmation my PIOGM1V2 shipped this AM 2 day UPS ...should have in my hands tomorrow, however I still have to wait for the 910 and antenna to arrive http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif Everything should be here before Turkey day so I'll have the weekend to play.


Any tips for dropping the rear part of the headliner to route antenna wire? Think I'll go the same route as Max Power ...

You don't need to drop the headliner. Just remove the cargo light box. Then run a coat hanger from the cargo light hole over to the passanger door rear pillar. The vinyl interior cover snaps loose at the top of the door pillar. Reaching inside the top of the door pillar I found the coat hanger, attached a string, pulled the string back to the cargo light hole, attached the antenna wire to the string and pulled the antenna wire back over to the top of the door post using the string. You dont really need to take the rear door vinyl trim off (just loose at the top). You can feed the antenna wire behind the trim down to the door sill.

Lakedaisy, thanks for the info.


Today I thought I'd get a jump on the install routing power wires to the cup holder area for the 910, etc. I went ahead and removed the dash bezel, etc. so I could get to the radio. Once done I found myself scratching my head a little. I found Trippin's images via his web link and see he removed the climate control panel ... I did this as well.


I'm assuming I need to get to the back of the radio to attach the PIOGM1V2 connectors so I removed the screws holding the radio in thinking it would just slide out ...no go. It comes out an inch but that's it ...can definately feel cables or something holding it in. Am I correct in thinking the stereo will need to come out far enough to get to the rear of it?


On the PIOGM1V2 ...has anyone actually installed this thing yet permanently? If so where? Behind the radio? Not sure what's back there yet ...

You need to slide the radio out as much as you can. Remove the climate control. Don't pull to hard or the pins will come out of the plugs.

You need to unplug the plugs completely blind from the bottom. There are 2 plugs and the antenna connection. The antenna connection comes straight out. The plug on the passenger side is easy to remove just release the clip. The driver side plug is a PITA. I used a small flat screwdriver to pry up on the clip and managed to get it unplugged. There might be an easier way but I couldn't find it.

Oh great, me and "blind" have never got along ...I have enough trouble when I can see http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Ok, so I get the plugs removed ... then what? where does one mount the PIOGM1V2 interface box? There's not room to get behind the radio thus the reason I'm assuming you have to disconnect the connectors "blind" ... the dash seems like a giant jigsaw puzzle.

I think I will mound mine behind the climate control if there is room or in the console behind the top cubby hole. I won't know until I get mine in my hands. I have only installed the tuner because I am still waiting on the PIOGM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Max Power, I hooked my XMCommander up to the terminal you mentioned using a relay. I noticed the relay was buzzing so I turned the thumbwhell to turn the interior lights on and the buzzing stopped. I turned it down and the voltage will drop until the relay drops out. It appears to be connected to the dash lights. It will probably be OK if you leave the dash light thumbwheel above the drop out voltage of the relay you use.

The thing I'm dreading the most are the power hookups as I always have a hell of a time finding the "correct" spot to power accessories. I think on the 910 there is a +12 constant (yellow - for retaining presets) and a +12v red for RAP/accessory power ...then I think the PIOGM1V2 until also has a +12v yellow contant power wire ... so we're talking about 2 hookups for +12v constant and 1 +12v accessory/RAP power.

rdaniels, I will check into it. I am not sure you are using the correct terminal. My truck is an 03. Perhaps it is different on older trucks?? I can't test that at the moment.


Mine tested +12v when the key was on and then when I shut the key off it stayed +12v untill the retained accessory power went off.


tophog, I don't think your going to have to hook up the to the rap on the 03. I think only the power. You could steal power from the cig lighter if you find that easier.

Perhaps I was confused on the RAP power ... assumed this is what turned on the unit but that wouldn't make sense ... not sure what I was thinking. I understand the +12V constant to retain memory presents ...so is the Pioneer unit turned on via a signal via the IP bus cable? That would make sense.


You were right on with the radio directions ... I forgot I have the entire SI2000 CDROM set ... just found the procedure.


Radio Replacement/Removal Procedure


1) Remove the cluster bezel. Refer to Bezel Replacement - Instrument Panel (I/P) Cluster in Instrument Panel, Gages and Console.
2) Remove the 3 screws (1).
3) Pull out the radio assembly slightly in other to gain access to the connectors.
4) Disconnect the wire connectors.
5) Disconnect the coaxial cable from the radio.
6) Remove the radio assembly from the I/P.


Installation Procedure


1) Connect the coaxial cable to the radio.
2) Connect the wire connectors.
3) Push in the radio assembly in the opening in order to install the screws.
4) Install the 3 screws (1). Tighten
5) Tighten the screws to 1.6 N·m (14 lb in).


6) Install the cluster bezel. Refer to Bezel Replacement - Instrument Panel (I/P) Cluster in Instrument Panel, Gages and Console.
7) Calibrate the new radio assembly. Refer to Service Programming System (SPS) Description in Programming.


© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.

so is the Pioneer unit turned on via a signal via the IP bus cable? That would make sense.





From what I understand yes. I really won't know until someone tells me or I finally get mine.

I think I'm fine on the +12v ... I ran a fused power wire directly to the battery for my CB ... I could tap into that or tap into cig lighter as you mentioned.

I believe the receiver to purchase is the 910 as it will display 16 characters. However how does it do this when the radio is only good for 8? Does it have a scroll feature? Also does it display XM1 and XM2 the way it displays FM1 etc?


Dave,


Get the 910, the Soundgate adapter will scroll the song, artist and channel description. The channel number or clock will remain on the left hand side. Push the band button for AM, FM1, FM2, XM1, XM2.


Top Hog,


I'm jealous, I'm still waiting for my updated version. Edited by: Trippin

Hi Guys, My truck is a 03 LS,so I don't have xm or onstar. I have read all that you guys have put on this sight about xm. Please forgive me but will the 910 unit work with my truck? I know I need an antenna but what else will I need. I have the Delphi Sky in my Blazer and don't want to put that junky box in my truck.


Thanks

As long as you have a band button it should work.

Max Power, the 910 should work for Bradbub "with" the PIOGMV2 control module correct? The PIOGMV2 is required to interface the Pioneer XM units with the GM OEM stereo? I know you most likely assumed that in your last post but I wasn't sure if it was clear to Bradbub. If so, someone slap me up side the head. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Sorry guys, I have that stupid Delphi box in my blazer and I do not want all the clutter. I have ordered the 910 and the P10gm1v2 from soundgate. I just have to decide on an antenna. My truck has the factory am/fm/cd player. The guy at soundgate said everything will work. Is that correct or am I going to have to settle for a big box attached to my dash. I live in the mountains in Colorado and I am tired of all my CD'S and can't get FM for #$$@.


Thanks


Bradbub

I researched antennas for a couple days and opted for this one ... http://shop.store.yahoo.com/xmfanstore/rooftopantenna.html seems to be one of the most popular going next to the TERK XM3. Big Moe runs this one too ... has the lowest profile of the antenna's currently available.


The Antenna Specialist XM20/CP antenna is a glue-on (is removable also) antenna whereas the Terk XM3 is magnetic and has a slightly higher profile. Then there are others too ...Edited by: tophog

Thanks for the Help! I will try not to be such an IDIOT in further posts.


XM OR BUST

Bradbub, your not an idiot at all. Feel free to ask all the questions you want no matter how dumb you may think they are. The only way to learn is to ask. Some of us here can save you a lot of research because we have already done most of it. That's why we're here http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

The Antenna Specialist XM20/CP antenna arrived today so I tackled the job of routing the cable to the cupholder area. Took me a little while as I have a non-walking cast on my right foot and on crutches from a recent basket ball injury http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif Wife would kill me if she knew I was out working on my truck, crutches and all. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


With the great tips from the previous posts (thanks Max Power and Trippin) the job wasn't that bad. Tip, if using the this antenna or Terk XM3 both have a 14' cable which is perfect to route as follows in a crew cab:


1) 3rd brakelight diagnolly to top of center pillar (the pillar between front/rear doors)


2) Down pillar to floor with cable behind pillar molding to floor


3) Route forward under door sill molding just to the front of the drivers seat.


4) Straight across from door sill between carpet and pad to the inboard drivers seat mount. This is where I fed the cable back up thru the carpet as it's cut out around the mount ...


5) Then straight up inside of center console to cupholder area.


Note, I have about 1' slack left over. I didn't have to remove driver's seat. Was able to use wire channel under door sill to route up to front of drivers seat bracket then across under carpet. With the door sill molding removed it's very easy to feed cable under carpet using your hand/arm. I also removed the green/gold plastic connectors from the end of the antenna and duct taped the ends so the cable was easy to route and wouldn't get caught/hung on anything. I still need to mount the antenna and reinstall 3rd brake light ...and XM910 and PIOGMV2 will be here tomorrow. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Max Power, I also have a 2003. I believe I am using the right terminal. I picked up another relay at Radio Shack that is rated 9V set and 0.6V drop out. I tested and it set as low as 5.8V. The XMCommander Head unit fits pretty well in the upper center pocket in the dash.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/FD1_connection2.JPGhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/B28_XMCommander.JPG

That looks right. I will retest mine and see what I can find. Until then I wouldn't use it.

You are right. That wire is a dash light wire. I just so happens that the dash lights are on when rap is on and my dash lights were set to full brightness.


I did a bit more searching around and I couldn't find anything. It is possible that we might not be able to do what we want. GM could be doing all the RAP through data, if that is the case we are SOL without some kind of adapter to convert the data.


I will have a wiring diagram in a week or two. If you can wait till then I can confirm or deny my suspicions. If anyone else has some wiring diagrams of the BCM and radio, I could check it out.

Max Power, below is info on the C2 BCM connector from SI2000. It's states pin B3 is dark blue and states "RAP Supply Voltage". That's the only pin I see on any of the BCM connectors that has "RAP" in it. Connector C2 is a 24-Way F Micro-Pack 100 Series plug (GRY) A pict of the plug is below.


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--</TD>
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A2</TD>
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DK BLU</TD>
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1796</TD>
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Steering Wheel Radio Controls Supply Voltage</TD></TR>
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A3</TD>
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DK BLU</TD>
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245</TD>
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Passenger Door Lock Switch Unlock Control - Base</TD></TR>
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TAN/BLK</TD>
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254</TD>
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Rear Door Unlock Relay Control - Uplevel</TD></TR>
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A4</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


PNK/WHT</TD>
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1970</TD>
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Headlamp Low Beam Relay Control</TD></TR>
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A5</TD>
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DK GRN/


WHT</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


1317</TD>
<TD vAlign=center>


Fog Lamp Relay Control</TD></TR>
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A6</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


LT BLU</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


244</TD>
<TD vAlign=center>


Passenger Door Lock Switch Lock Control - Base</TD></TR>
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<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


GRY/BLK</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


255</TD>
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Rear Door Lock Relay Control - Uplevel</TD></TR>
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A7</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


--</TD>
<TD vAlign=center align=middle>


--</TD>
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Not Used - Uplevel</TD></TR>
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Here is a link to the 2003 RAP schematic.


http://home.comcast.net/~tophog/duramax/tech/rap_schematic.gif

Thanks tophog. It doesn't look good. I need to test that B3 but I don't think thats it. The schematic sure doesn't look promissing.

I have mine wired through the terminal and using the relay I have now my dash lights are always bright enough to close the relay. I need to check it on a long Interstate night drive though.

rdaniels, it will not work because you will have to turn your headlights on during the day. Otherwise there will be no power at that terminal! Edited by: Max Power

I talked to a GM Service Tech today, he is doing some research, but is pretty sure on the 03's and newer the RAP is controled by the BUS. He said he would get back to me in a day or so with anything else he finds. The 910 dosn't have an ignition power lead on it so it must be controled through the IP BUS cable also. The only thing is powering the Soundgate PIOGM1. May have to do without the RAP, I have been doing without it since I installed my 903 anyhow.


Check out the link below:


http://www.aampofamerica.com/2002/home.asp


Toward the bottom of page. I received this link from the GM Tech he thinks this may be what we need. He is still doing more research.Edited by: BIGMoe

BigMoe, you are correct in that the 910 only has a +12V constant wire. Below is an email from SoundGate today.



The Pioneer 910 piece will have a power and ground and the PIOGMV2 interface will send the turn on signal when the car is on.

I just found the price for the adapter to use RAP. $149.95, not sure if I want to spend that much to have my XM Radio stay on until I open the door. I will just have to suffer the way we did before all this RAP stuff!!!! As long as I can use the steering wheel controls I will be very happy!!!!!!!!!!


tophog, did you find out how the PIOGM1 is powered? Does use constant power or ignition power?Edited by: BIGMoe

tophog, are you sure that schematic is for the RAP?


Max Power pointed out earlier that the '03's are completely different from the '02's and my Helms only covers the '02, so I could be completely off-base here.


But, all I see in your link are circuits from the left interior fuse box, to the BCM, to the interior lighting. Where are the RAP circuits for the radio, power windows, door locks and DIC which all go through the RAP circuit?

I'm sure ... specifically stated 2003 as shown below. The schematic is the only schematic listed under the "Schematics and Routing diagrams" link. I'm sure each RAP component has it's own set of schematics covered elsewhere. If someone wants to see a schematic for a specific component then I can probably find that too. I thought Max Power wanted to see info on the BCM specifically.


2003 Chevrolet Chevy K Silverado - 4WD (http://127.0.0.1:9001/servlets/SMSCTSrv?Language=en-US&amp;year=2003&amp;make=Chevrolet&amp;model=Chevy+K+Silverad o+-+4WD&amp;cfg=&amp;mfmyrcgkey=0&amp;vehsyskey=2163&amp;mspsdsubkey= 2318&amp;booktypeid=1&amp;SCT=Body+and+Accessories&amp;svc_cat _no=45&amp;sec_id=9&amp;pubpsdid=297) - Body and Accessories (http://127.0.0.1:9001/servlets/SMSCSrv?Language=en-US&amp;year=2003&amp;make=Chevrolet&amp;model=Chevy+K+Silverad o+-+4WD&amp;cfg=&amp;mfmyrcgkey=0&amp;vehsyskey=2163&amp;mspsdsubkey= 2318&amp;booktypeid=1&amp;SCT=Body+and+Accessories&amp;svc_cat _no=45&amp;sec_id=9&amp;pubpsdid=297) - Retained Accessory Power


Select a category:

<DD>http://127.0.0.1:9001/images/barrowbutton3.gifSchematic and Routing Diagrams (http://127.0.0.1:9001/servlets/SMSIEList?Language=en-US&amp;year=2003&amp;make=Chevrolet&amp;model=Chevy+K+Silverad o+-+4WD&amp;cfg=&amp;mfmyrcgkey=0&amp;vehsyskey=2163&amp;mspsdsubkey= 2318&amp;pubpsdid=297&amp;sec_id=9&amp;svc_cat_no=45&amp;booktypei d=1&amp;SIT=Schematic+and+Routing+Diagrams&amp;SITno=10&amp;SC =Retained+Accessory+Power&amp;SCT=Body+and+Accessories )

<DD>http://127.0.0.1:9001/images/barrowbutton3.gifDiagnostic Information and Procedures (http://127.0.0.1:9001/servlets/SMSIEList?Language=en-US&amp;year=2003&amp;make=Chevrolet&amp;model=Chevy+K+Silverad o+-+4WD&amp;cfg=&amp;mfmyrcgkey=0&amp;vehsyskey=2163&amp;mspsdsubkey= 2318&amp;pubpsdid=297&amp;sec_id=9&amp;svc_cat_no=45&amp;booktypei d=1&amp;SIT=Diagnostic+Information+and+Procedures&amp;SITn o=6&amp;SC=Retained+Accessory+Power&amp;SCT=Body+and+Acces sories)

<DD>http://127.0.0.1:9001/images/barrowbutton3.gifDescription and Operation (http://127.0.0.1:9001/servlets/SMSIEList?Language=en-US&amp;year=2003&amp;make=Chevrolet&amp;model=Chevy+K+Silverad o+-+4WD&amp;cfg=&amp;mfmyrcgkey=0&amp;vehsyskey=2163&amp;mspsdsubkey= 2318&amp;pubpsdid=297&amp;sec_id=9&amp;svc_cat_no=45&amp;booktypei d=1&amp;SIT=Description+and+Operation&amp;SITno=3&amp;SC=Retai ned+Accessory+Power&amp;SCT=Body+and+Accessories)
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More "RAP" info ...
<H1>Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Description and Operation</H1><A name=ss1-886837><A href="http://127.0.0.1:9001/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=886837&amp;Language=en-US&amp;lang=en&amp;country=US&amp;dbCd=en&amp;evc=sm&amp;version=html&amp; pubid=297&amp;appYear=2003&amp;appMake=Chevrolet&amp;appModel= Chevy+K+Silverado+-+4WD&amp;cellId=56218&amp;mspsdsubkey=2318&amp;vehsyskey=2163# ss1-886837" target="_blank">
<H5>Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Power Mode</A></H5>


Retained Accessory Power (RAP) is a power mode that permits the operation of selected customer convenience items for 10 minutes after the ignition switch is turned OFF. RAP power mode is enabled by the BCM.


The BCM:
<UL =BULLET>
<LI>Controls certain body functions.
<LI>Sends out a class 2 message via the serial data line, which enables/disables other modules at the beginning/end of RAP power mode. </LI>[/list]


Some BCM features, such as the interior courtesy lamps will function after the 10 minute RAP time limit has elapsed. This is normal, and does not mean RAP power mode is malfunctioning. The BCM enables the following functions in RAP Power Mode:
<UL =BULLET>
<LI>The right and left power rear windows (internal to BCM -- if equipped)
<LI>Any class 2 module that functions in RAP power mode (that is not hard-wired), is controlled by the BCM via class 2 power mode messages. EXAMPLE: the radio works in RAP power mode due to the BCM controlling it's power mode over the class 2 serial data bus. </LI>[/list]


RAP is disabled when:
<UL =BULLET>
<LI>A door is opened.
<LI>A low battery voltage is detected by the BCM.
<LI>The transition of ignition switch from OFF to ON or ACC.
<LI>10 minutes have elapsed after the ignition was turned OFF. </LI>[/list]


The BCM monitors the ignition switch position, battery voltage and passenger compartment door status to determine whether RAP power mode should be enabled. If the ignition switch transitions from ON to OFF, the battery voltage is within the acceptable range and the passenger compartment doors are closed, the BCM enables RAP power mode. After the 10 minutes has elapsed, the BCM sends a class 2 message to the serial data network. This message commands the other modules to stop functioning, that are controlled by the BCM power mode messages.
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Great info. That explains it very well. Thanks tophog.


What are those links in your post? They don't seem to work for me. Is this something with restricted access?


Is this something I can use to find info on my '02 Silverado? Thanks.Edited by: Lakedaisy

02 is easy. There is a wire going right to the radio that will work.

I recieved my PIOGM1V2 this morning. I snuck out to the parking lot and tried it with my Pioneer 900 and the 910. Both seem to work fine. I did have to push the reset button on the 910 to get the display to work. I displays 8 character text and does not scroll, it seems I was mistaken about the scroll feature.

Trippin, just got mine too ...going out to play with it. Sad to hear the scroll doesn't work ... would of bought a 900 or 903 if I had known ... not much difference in price though.


Where did you mount the PIOGMV2 interface or have you yet? Any ideas?

My PIOGMV2 is still on backorder, I must of wated to long to order mine.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif You guys that got yours will have to tell me all about how good they work!!! I was told the next shipment will arrive around Dec. 3 so it should be only a few more weeks. The GM Tech friend of mine called this morning and told me I am out of luck trying to use RAP to power my 903. I have lived without it since May so it will not bother me that much. As long as I can use my steering wheel controls is the main thing. My wife will rub it in that her XM in her Tahoe stays on when she shuts off the key and mine in my pickup will not. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Trippin,


Is it possible to display all of the text or are you stuck with only the first 8 characters? If you can only see the first 8 characters then is there an advantage to the 910?

Installed the Pioneer 910 and PIOGMV2 today. All done. Upon power up I reset the 910 per the instructions. Was receiving channels 0, 1 and the freebies since I hadn't activated yet, but my display would only display channel...no more information. So I went in the house and activated the unit via their web page thinking that was the problem. Left on channel 1 per the announcement playing on channel 1 ... waited for over an hour and still was not subscribed.


Call them up on the phone and guess they poked a few buttons or whatever and 10 minutes later I was receiving all channels ...but still no display other then channel number. I out of the blue I decided to disconnect/reconnect the cable plug going into the PIOGMV2 ... whalla that did the trick and now I have all info displayed ...albeit only 8 characters ...as trippin said, no schrolling ... darn http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Oh well, the XM is working and sounds nice. I found changing channels is "slightly" slower then FM ... definately a breif pause. The other weird thing is when you store an XM preset you need to wait for the preset indicator to go off before you scan or change channels or the preset won't take.


I was able to put the PIOGMV2 box behind the climate control panel (I have an 03)... the only way it would fit is by cutting off the plastic brackets on each site of the unit and stood it on it's side wrapped in some thin foam so it won't have a chance to rattle. Definately a tight fit and wasn't much fun getting the harness connected to the radio and stashed out of the way. Got everything back together and everything works so I must have done something right.


Wish there was a faster way of jumping across channels besides using the scan button ... is there?

Dave,


there is no advantage at all between the 910 and the 900. IMHO go with the 900 they are cheap. Soundgate did say they would look at scrolling the text in the future but it's way down the list on engineering priorities.


TopHog,


I just keep turning the tuning knob. And turning and turning and turning..............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


I haven't mounted the adapter yet, I've had the bezel off the dash for weeks waiting for the update. It sounds like you found a great place.Edited by: Trippin

Sounds like I got lucky. I bought a 900 of ebay with an antenna for $50. I wanted a 910 but couldn't pass up the deal on the 900. Now it looks like there is no advantage to the 910 anyways. Too bad the local soundgate dealer is RAPING me on the PIOGM1 and neither soundgate nor logjam will ship to canada. Worst part is, I'm still waiting!

I wouldn't say your out of luck yet with the RAP. I have one more idea yet. I am waiting on the SI2000 CD's to confirm my hunch. If all goes well, there will be RAP in your future! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

The other "anomoly" I discovered tonight was after storing XM presets the "Program" button on my steering wheel controls will not change presets ...like it does on AM/FM ... I may be overlooking something? While I think overall the PIOGMV2 interface is nice in that it allows XM control via the headunit ...not all features work functions work ...I.e. the "Program" steering wheel button to jump across presets ...and the process of storing presets is a little flukie ...have to make sure you wait for the preset light to extinguish before changing channels whereas with AM/FM it's instant. I didn't have a lot of time to play with it tonight ...was cold and tired from limping around all day with cast on my foot. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Tophog,


Do you have 6 presets on XM1 and 6 on XM2 or the same 6 for both. Mine is the latter. I didn't know you could skip presets with the program button on the steering wheel I'll try it and see.

I'm not sure if I have 12 presets yet or not. Will find out tomorrow ...don't get reception in the garage and didn't want to back out tonight. I did see in the PIOGMV2 documenation a statement stating the presets cannot be controlled via the steeering wheel program button ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif However it does specifically state you are suppose to have 12 presets as long as you don't have a CD changer hooked up to the PIOGMV2, otherwise the 2nd set of presets are used to keep track of the CD's. (1-6).

Max Power,


To me I hope you are right, there has to be someplace that the RAP power is accessable, even though it is controled by the BUS. I did find out if I had the power moon roof I could tap into that power. Come to think about it when we first got our 03 Tahoe a module went bad in the RH front door, and nothing would work on the right door, mirrors door lock, window, and the keyless entry was disabled. I was told then because of the BUS.Edited by: BIGMoe

Tophog,


Do you have 6 presets on XM1 and 6 on XM2 or the same 6 for both. Mine is the latter. I didn't know you could skip presets with the program button on the steering wheel I'll try it and see.





I only seem to be able to program 6 ... as you said they seem to overflow to XM2. This contradicts what is explained in the manual ...the manual states if you do not have a CD changer plugged into the Pioneer XM tuner you are suppose to have 12 XM presets available.

Tophog,


I was wondering if it will hold 2 differnt setting with the keyless entry system. My Tahoe with factory has 12 XM Channels for each driver. Not sure what vehilces have the 2 driver option on the radio. This is were there are 2 remotes 1 &amp; 2.

Man - I have a truck with the XM radio and I personally think the audio quality of the XM stinks. It's so compressed and digital sounding that I can't really stand listening to it.


I have not really listened to the serius (SP) radio, but that's my .02


(keep in mind that I'm an audio freak who sells and installes huge systems)


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Stefan

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Good News my PIOGM1V2 was shipped today. I should have it by Thursday or Friday. I am hoping will have decent weather this weekend to get it installed. I sure want to see just how it works.


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And I'm still waiting. Ordered it on Oct 28... Not a happy camper......

I tried to order my 910XM from Buy.com, but are sold out Just like Circuit City and Car Toys. I finally had to pay $30.00 more at Crutchfield, because I am too @#$! impatient. I already have the radio and climate control and my truck. I have the P10GM1V2 plugged into the radio sitting on my bench just waiting.


I just had to see how hard the install was going to be, so far everything is going great thanks to all of you!!!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Bradbub

Max Power,


Did you order your P10GM1V2 from SoundGate?


Bradbub

No, I ordered through a place locally that ordered through a wholesaler that ordered from soundgate http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Reason being that I am in Canada and neither soundgate or logjam would sell to me. Paid a $50 premium to top it off. I was supposed to have it in 2 weeks, that was Nov 25th http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

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That is correct, there is a misprint in the instructions that there would be 12 presets when in fact only the 6 will work. This is something that is being looked into to see if it can change and will work with the 12 preset buttons. For right now I am afraid we will have to deal with the six presets being the same on XM1 and XM2. thanks CHET.

I talked to soundgate tonight and the guy told me they are not goin to fix the preset thing or the use of the prog button to scroll through presets any time soon.





So Trippin I have some more questions...


How fast is it to scroll through the channels with the tuning dial? Is it pretty quick? Otherwise 101 channels is a lot to scroll through.


This is one thing that is pushing me towards the commander. But I like the idea of using the digital sound rather than RF modulator.





Thanks!

Has anyone checked to see if the Factory BOSE 6 disk cd/radio needs only the missing XM parts from GM to work.


I mean to add an Antenna and a small box and cable and have a truly Factory set-up or is it a completely different head unit.


Would the dealer swap a factory XM head unit for the stock one and issue a credit..........hello ERIC, ya reading this ????????


I would like a truly factory XM set-up, but I feel the price may be too much to spend........


Anyone know for sure ?????????





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I did bring this up with my local dealer. They informed me that yes it is possible, and no they would not do it. The labor involved to do it would be the big thing. The donor vehicle would have to go to body shop have the antenna hole fixed. There would be no warranty on the XM part of the radio also. They suggested checking with a auto salvage yards, or aftermarket installer. I did check with a few auto salvage yards, but no luck.Edited by: BIGMoe

I've also heard you cannot buy/order an XM unit via GM and that the XM receivers are locked/programmed around the VIN and the only way to unlock them is via the dealer ...never the less it sounds like the dealer is involved every time you turn around. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


If I were the "doner" vehicle I would rather leave the XM antenna in the roof rather then try and have someone patch the hole.

I received my P10GM1V2 at 5:20 this afternoon. now my problem is finding a place to work on it. My garage is full of storage stuff from 2 of my sons, and when it was built nobody expected people to be driving a Crew Cab. Maybe if I am nice to my neighbor he will let me use his garage. Cold here in Wyoming right now.


I did notice on the directions that it will only save 6 preset stations on XM1, the other 6 are for the CD Changer if someone installs one also.

So Trippin I have some more questions...


How fast is it to scroll through the channels with the tuning dial? Is it pretty quick? Otherwise 101 channels is a lot to scroll through.





tvgators,


Scrolling with the tuning knob is kinda tedious, but once you get a couple of presets going it's not bad from there.

Still thinking about this RAP thing. Does GM manufacture any 2003 models with a power antenna?

RAP is through the IP Bus. Hook up a constant 12v for the Soundgate adapter and the Pioneer tuner and enjoy. My Crispies said it would be fine! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I understand that Trippin, but some still want the Rap for other systems.


I don't really have time to test this but it looks like B3 (pink wire) at the back of the radio should be just just what the doctor ordered for RAP. If someone wants to confirm this make sure they test with a Digital Multi Meter only. Do not use a test light. Of course a relay will be required. This wire should be +12v when the radio is on. It provides a radio on signal to the amplifier. Of course there is the possibility that this could be a data wire but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Max Power,


I am with you, I still think there has to be someplace even if it is with a relay that one could tap into the RAP. For you it will not effect your XM Radio, but with the 903 it will effect me. Did you get the wireing schematic for the 03 that you were wating for?

Yep got the full deal. si2000 manual http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Thanks to tophog http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Max Power

Now if we can just find a source for the SI2000 update CD's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I installed the commander in my 2003 tahoe this weekend and was told by the tech with crutchfield to connect the acc line to the green wire second from the end next to the orange wire which is 12v. Is this not correct?? Is this RAP?

It may be a valid ACC +12 wire however it's not a RAP source unless power is present after turning off vehicle ... up until you open a door, etc. or some interval (10 minutes?) have elapsed.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize "we" were trying to run other systems from the RAP. Cool idea! My narrow view on the world didn't allow me to consider this! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif I'll just shut up and wait in the corner for awhile. Carry on! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Max Power, I ran across this site, http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#drto


which shows using two relays to keep power on until the door is opened. Looks like it might be a possibility.

Yep, that would work too. I never thought of doing it that way. Good research.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif It sure would be nice to use the factory RAP though.

Thought I would drag this back up. I just installed the pioneer 903 to my factory head, got rid of the fm modulator and hate it. Takes forever to move around xm. I went back to the 903 unit, replugged in their head controler, reset and now can use my steering wheel controls to get to the xm band without the fm mod. I don't hear any difference either way but seem to get better signal strength for some reason.

Xm good, Sirius bad. I built the structures of both XM satellites which are named "Rock" and "Roll". XM 3 is in the works while Sirius flounders.

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This is one reason to have the Sirius.


Interesting.








January 12, 2004 17:24:03 (ET)


By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON, Jan 12 (Reuters) - Sirius Satellite Radio Inc.'s (SIRI,Trade) plan to add video to its service in American vehicles may have to take a detour past regulators at the Federal Communications Commission before getting out on the open road.

The FCC has asked the company for more details about proposals to pipe a handful of nationwide video channels to those cars that have television screens by mid-2005, an agency spokesman said on Monday.

"The FCC has initiated discussions about whether Sirius' planned video programming is permitted under our current rules and their current authorization or whether it would require a formal request from Sirius and a regulatory decision from the commission," said FCC spokesman David Fiske.

The company charges about $13 a month for its music and talk radio service but its 260,000 subscribers lag its larger rival, XM Satellite Radio Holdings (XMSR,Trade), by more than 1 million. Sirius has said it expects a sharp increase in customers this year.

The company has said it plans to offer three to four channels of nationwide video programming in new vehicles, which increasingly are being outfitted with video screens as a way to entertain passengers, particularly young children, on long trips.

The FCC issued licenses and authorizations to Sirius that are for radio service and do not directly mention video service. The company is allowed to offer some secondary services, but it was unclear whether a video component would fall under that category.

That could force the company to ask the FCC for permission to offer the new service.

"The FCC is welcoming of new ideas and innovative uses of technology but at the same time it has to be in conformity with our rules, international rules and their licenses and authorizations," Fiske said.

Sirius spokesmen were not immediately available for comment.

The company, along with rival XM Satellite, faced initial hurdles launching with rival local radio broadcasters lobbying against efforts to install ground-based antennas to extend their signals to hard-to-reach areas.

The National Association of Broadcasters, which represents local radio and television stations, has long been a critic of the satellite radio companies, fighting at the FCC to keep them from offering local programming, among other issues.

Dennis Wharton, spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters, declined to comment on Sirius' video plan.

However, last week the organization blasted plans by XM to offer traffic and weather service for many major metropolitan markets, arguing it skirted rules that limited the satellite companies to national radio service.

Sirius shares closed down 14 cents, or almost 4.1 percent, to $3.30 on Nasdaq.

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XM did a video demo at CES this year and has partnered with Jet Blue for in flight audio.


I own stock in both Sirius and XM and have followed them closely for two years now. Don't kid yourself, Sirius is all but dead. Kinda like the Sony Betamax video tape system. Better technology than VHS just never marketed properly.


Sirius is going to need some "serious" life support.

If you have stock in both of them and follow the stock reports, you know Sirius has just about doubled in the past month. It is far from dead. You would hope both do well so the prices don't turn into a monopoly.

I recently bought a 04 Impala that came with XM radio...Nice!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif Now I'm hooked and I want to add XM to my 03 2500HD.


I’ve read through this thread (great info!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif) and I think I understand how to add a Pioneer 9XX using the Soundgate PIOGM1 adapter. However, I also found out that the Pioneer GEXP910XM’s are no longer in production. I found some 903’s on ebay and few new 910’s are still available. It also seems like the prices on competitive units are dropping. The new units are also much smaller. I’m not sure if I should try and piece together a Pioneer/Soundgate solution so I can use my GM head unit and steering wheel controls or just buy a FM modulated unit and mount the separate XM control panel. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif A new unit might cost less than all the pieces needed for the Pioneer/Soundgate soultion (9xx, cable, soundgate, antenna)


All opinions, suggestions and comments are welcome. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gifEdited by: jbplock

I would suggest checking Crutchfield.com and see what they are recommending. They are usually up to date on the latest in auto electronics. I am using a Pioneer GEX-FM903XM with the FM Modulator. in my 2003 HD. I do have the Soundgate adaptor, but haven’t had the time or weather to install it.Edited by: BIGMoe

JP,


The sound quality with the Soundgate/Pioneer is much ...much better than FM modulation. PIE just released their adapter to compete with the Soundgate. I hope to have it installed this weekend and will compare/contrast to my current Soundgate. XM direct is coming but deatils and release dates are sketchy at best.


Now if you want... I have a Pioneer 900 that I don't need anymore. I bought it to test when the first Soundgate adapter didn't work with the 910. It was new and installed in my truck for about 30 days. For this application there is no difference between the 900 and the 910.


If your interested PM me for the price.

Trippin,


How does the PIE adapter differ from the Soundgate? Do the steering wheel buttons work? Can you use all 12 presets? Inquiring minds want to know. Let us know as soon as you can. I've been holding off hoping somebody would have all of the bells and wistles.

Trippin,


I have the same question as Dave.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif What is the PIE adapter? I quickly scanned through the previous posts and didn't notice any reference to the PIE (I probably missed it?). I did find a reference to Logjam Electronics (http://store.yahoo.com/logjam/index.html) and they have a listing for the Soundgate PIOGM1V4 - $99.95 (http://store.yahoo.com/logjam/soundpiogm1v3.html) that also includes listings for the P.I.E. PIO/P-RCA Pioneer IP-Bus to RCA Interface - 39.95 (http://store.yahoo.com/logjam/piepioprca.html) and the Pioneer CD-IP600 IP-Bus Female-to-Female Interconnect Cable - 49.95 (http://store.yahoo.com/logjam/pioncdip600.html)


Quote form the Logjam Electronics site as follows:


"The Soundgate PIOGM1V4, the new upgrade from the V2 &amp; V3, allows you to add either or both of the Pioneer 6 or 12 disc IP-Bus CD Changer and/or a Pioneer XM Satellite receiver in certain 2001 - 2004 General Motors factory radios (see specific application list below). You can use the device as an auxiliary input converter with the addition of the PIO/P-RCA cable (sold separately - see below to order).


The PIOGM1V4 utilizes sophisticated microprocessor control and advanced software design to flawlessly match the Pioneer CD changer and/or XM Tuner to the GM factory audio systems. Includes factory-match connectors for fast, easy installation. Compatible with the Pioneer CDX-P670, P650, P630 and PD6 (in-dash) 6-disc IP-Bus CD changers as well as the CDX-P1270, P1250 and P1230 12-disc IP-Bus CD changers. Also compatible with the GEX-P900XM, GEX-FM903XM and GEX-P910 XM Tuners. If needed, the Pioneer CD-IP600 female-to-female IP-Bus interconnect cable is available below."


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So If one wanted to hook up the Pinoeer GEX-P900XM, GEX-FM903XM or GEX-P910XM and use the OEM head unit as a display (including the steering wheel buttons) which parts are needed? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif Thanks in advance for the help! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Well Guys,


Here is the straight scoop. The PIE adapter is an exact copy of the Soundgate PIOGM1 adapter. Same case, same board, same chips, different sticker. And still only 6 presets. RAP is better, no delay when the engine is turned off. Communication issues with the PCM seem to be solved partially. Meaning I can reflash my PCM without unhooking the adapter but while the engine is running and the stereo is on...the Tech II did drop communication. I'll try it with stereo off and report back. Soundgate is sending me their latest adapter which they say is better than the knock off.

Well it's been more than 6 month since I got my truck, dealer agreed to install xm, been waiting for a "GM APPROVED" upgrade. Got the dealer to reimburst me for the parts and provide the install. Ordered all the parts from logjam: pioneer 910, P.I.E. adapter (they were out of soundgate adapters), antenna and an expansion cable for a 6 or 12 CD changer. Total cost of parts $359.00. Decided to use the GM antenna, instead of the $69.00 pioneer antenna, the GM retail cost for there factory antenna was $269.00. Looks alot better and the dealer ate that to. The technician did a great job, he mounted the receiver in the same place the GM factory unit is placed, in the passenger kick panel. I'm diggin XM. Have only one question. I have only 6 presets for both xm1 and xm2 and the display reads only 8 characters, I can press the tuner and get more info but it seems to be cut off...is that normal?

Normal. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Well as usual I installed my XM Roady without looking here first. I would really like to get rid of the external unit and go with the factory head.





I have a plain Jane 04 LLY truck with CD, Cassette, AM and FM. When I pulled the radio out to install the FM modulator I saw a socket in the back that was not being used. Is this where you plug in the Pioneer 9xx XM receiver?





After reading this whole thread and the stuff on xmfan forum I am a bit confused as to what is best to use, can anyone help?





Greg

I use the cassette adapter..........it seems to give better BASS then the FM adapter.


Eventually I will upgrade the factory radio to a XM compatible, so for now I am happy........it is a SThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifCK RADIO............


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I used the PAC AAl-GM24 adapter (plugs into the "empty" socket) that allows the factory radio to have two AUX inputs. I hooked the Delphi SkyFi to it, since I wanted to used the unit in other vehicles, house, RV, etc. Sounds great, however you have an external unit to deal with.

I had a 2004 gmc sierra and wanted to add the factory xm to it.I called xm directly and they were not a big help.The next step was to see my friend at the chevy dealer and he gave me the tel# to the company that makes all of the xm electrical for the factory installed pieces.They told me if it was not factory the only option was aftermarket.

Sorry to bring up this old thread but is this what we're looking for? http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results.cfm?singlepart=1&AddPartNumber=12498768&partnumber=12498768

Looks like it interfaces with the stock GM radio. I'm going to give it a try on my 05.