I was told today that the evolution on level three 100h.p. Will eventually cause trannny problems. So i called an ats dealer and was told by him that he is seeing problems with anything over 70 h.p. And said with the level 1@40 h.p. And 2@60 h.p. You should not have any problems with the tranny. Can anyone comment on this?

the level 3 i build is suppose to be for race only yes it is only a 100hp
we are working on a option for level 1 as a totally economy no hp or the 40hp like it is now will keep everyone posted.

Buck, I was wandering if the 60 HP program safe for the tranny or will it effect the longevity of it witout any mods. I am buying th evolution to run the 40 HP program but would like to run the 60 if it is safe.

Don't run level 2 towing heavy anything over about 6,000 lbs. Otherwise I think it is a good tune to run everyday.

level 2 will be fine as a everyday driving tune on the trans and is a fun tune

I would LOVE to see a mpg tune on 1. Don't care about added hp just 2-3 more mpg for the daily commute. Level 2 is a fun daily driver and I would not run level 3 without a transgo jr installed. EGT gauge is an absolute must have.

level 2 will be fine as a everyday driving tune on the trans and is a fun tune


Why label it a tow tune if you can't really tow on it. Who tow's less than 6K. Also agree that it would be great to get 2-3 mpg on level 1.

well its a tow tune to use with 6k or less but i will have some updates for u guys soon on the economy and if i have time you may have a new level 2 to update with as well. If they would let me do what i want or what you guys want i can do what ever you like to do but its not in my court sorry guys i do what im told.

Its hard to meet a medium for everyone with only 3 tunes.

What would be changed on the level 2 setting???

You think you guys could come up with these settings.
Sober or Stock, Just a Couple or 40hp, Half Lit or 90hp, Drunk or 180hp? I think that's how mu Bully Dog is programmed.

You think you guys could come up with these settings.
Sober or Stock, Just a Couple or 40hp, Half Lit or 90hp, Drunk or 180hp? I think that's how mu Bully Dog is programmed.

Man I SECOND THAT..... We Laugh about it but it's true.....

What would be changed on the level 2 setting???

I will calibrate it to were it will tow little bit more weight but i may have to pull some hp and gain tq. So its kinda up to you guys i notice alot like the level 2 as it is so kinda hard decision to change it, I may can make it same hp just not as hot let me see what i can do for you guys.

anyway to up the boost to lower the egt's on 2 and especially 3. On 3 I can hit over 1400 empty getting into it to pass someone.

anyway to up the boost to lower the egt's on 2 and especially 3. On 3 I can hit over 1400 empty getting into it to pass someone.
do you have the newest update?

is the latest one the one that says beta on the top of the list. I updated mine and i can fell a difference but cant pinpoint what it is , I think it shifts quicker , am i right .

When running on level 2 should the truck be in tow mode , while not towing anything.

only level 3 changed and if you tow anytime i suggest you put it in tow mode yes! the lasted update is level 3 calibrations and Firmware updates.

Could you make level 1 a smoke tune. That would be cool like the juice on 6 with low boost fueling? . Black out the highway baby.

When was it released? I updated 2 weeks ago. Was told to use the latest version even though it was labeled beta. Why can't the release dates be posted on the web site so we do not have to plug the unit in every time just to look for updatesto see the latest revision.

My vote is to have a mode that max's out mpg. I can live with whatever the other 2 levels are.

just updated to the newese release 1/29. will test level 3 this afternoon and let ya know if it helped.

My vote is to have a mode that max's out mpg. I can live with whatever the other 2 levels are.

That is the Plan!!!!

Buck,would it be safe for the tranny to run level three with transgo jr.? or would it be best to stick with level two with transgo kit?

This is why I went with the EVO is for future updates via the internet.

I would like a screen that would let us select how we would like to defuel the shifts like the attitude. I do realize that EDGE marketing needs to keep some things different and also the more we ask for the higher the price goes but that is a nice feature the Attitude has.

yes something i have no control of sorry
were working on something that you guys may like But i cant speak till we get approval
But trust me Rob or I will keep you all posted
Thanks for everything guys I hope you like the product I will do what i can to make it perfect for you guys.

Updated and tried #3 this afternoon. Shifts are so much better. I had planned on not using #3 anymore but I will now.

Good to hear. Keep up the good work Edge!

"deagon kennels" have you had good luck with the transgo jr.? what did it allow you to do over stock?

I am glad to see edge stepping up their game with the updates...now I need to update mine. As said earlier I would like some way of knowing about the updates on the Edge site.

"deagon kennels" have you had good luck with the transgo jr.? what did it allow you to do over stock?

I installed my 1057 and Trans-Go at the same time and the shifts are a lot better (quicker and a little more firm). Drives like stock tranny when driving normal and it firms up under WOT. I noticed a big improvement towing. Supposed to be good up to 500 ponies at the rear wheels.

Edge rocks. Thanks for hanging with us!!

EGT's are definately down and acceptable:) . Set the alert to 1400 and never tripped it. Great job! :D boost peaked at 26. Wouldn't mind seeing 30 though;) .The only thing I noticed is that the torque converter hesitates to lock up in 5 and 6th gear. It usually locks up around 50 mph but I was at 75 and it would not lock until I let off and started to slow. On level 2 it locks up once it hits a lil over 50. The tranny held level 3 just for the test but I will not push it in 3 again untill I at least get a transgo jr. installed. I did not limp it but felt I could have if I wanted to. From a 30 mph roll it will rip my $220 a piece mud grips:o: . Keep em coming especially that level 1, 2-3 mpg tune:cool:

Just bought a 07 Duramax CC LT3
How long should i wait to install the evolution?
Right now my truck is stock and i only got 550 miles on it.
Would it be ok to just install it and use just the fuel milage tune until it is broke in better?
Thanks

Until you put a Transgo jr. in it............

Until you put a Transgo jr. in it............

He'll be fine running LVLs 1 & 2 without a Transgo jr.

Lvl 3 without one and getting too happy w/ the go pedal might be a different story.

I installed my EVO with about 1200 miles on her.

Will Evo lvl 2 work with a 7,000-8,000 pound travel trailer.. I am trying to get better MPG towing.. Only see 10-12mpg now.

I put evo on my dad's truck when it had 300 miles on it. Running level 1 right now and I think it will stay right where it is!

Will Evo lvl 2 work with a 7,000-8,000 pound travel trailer.. I am trying to get better MPG towing.. Only see 10-12mpg now.

I pull a little more than that on level 2 with a flat bed. EGT's are around 900 to 1000 (flatland). You will have more wind resistance though. I wouldn't expect much as far as getting better fuel milage. At least I don't but I have a heavy foot.

Only limped it in 3/3, never in 1 or 2. Apparently Edge does not increase boost but I spiked over 27psi last night in level1/3.........WTF? Anyone have any info on that? I have heard people advise as low as 20psi boost on LLY, not saying I don't like the high boost :D. Mike L advised me that damage has probably been done so as of last night I am saving my $ for the suncoast or ATS rebuild.

blemoine02 any word on the new pods or rebate checks for us beta testers?

Only limped it in 3/3, never in 1 or 2. Apparently Edge does not increase boost but I spiked over 27psi last night in level1/3.........WTF? Anyone have any info on that? I have heard people advise as low as 20psi boost on LLY, not saying I don't like the high boost :D. Mike L advised me that damage has probably been done so as of last night I am saving my $ for the suncoast or ATS rebuild.

Dont you have the juice, this thread is about the EVO

Yup................................I'm an idiot, sorry!

That is the Plan!!!!
Buck,
Any idea how long before the econ tune is updated. How do we know when this has been changed. Don't see anything to tell us what the revision is on your web site?

Hey Buck, How about a program that will eliminate my Ebrake, and ABS lights and bells to stop ringing and flashing EVERY TIME I get in my truck(anoying!)?

Buck,
Any idea how long before the econ tune is updated. How do we know when this has been changed. Don't see anything to tell us what the revision is on your web site?


the update should be on the web if you guys want to update it will change level one only and there is like 10hp and 35ft tq on this level of increase.
please feed me feedback asap to blemoine@edgeproducts.com so i can make the changes and make it perfect. the version is 17.8 for the new economy tune.

the update should be on the web if you guys want to update it will change level one only and there is like 10hp and 35ft tq on this level of increase.
please feed me feedback asap to blemoine@edgeproducts.com so i can make the changes and make it perfect. the version is 17.8 for the new economy tune.

Buck,
Will update to 17.8. It's so cold here that won't be able to tell about mpg improvement till it warms up. Not sure when that will be forecast is for cold weather for awhile. Thanks for the update.

the version is 17.8 for the new economy tune:cool:
gonna try it today and let ya know. got my fingers crossed for at least +2mpg.

Been trying to download- all I get is cannot find file check back later.

try to call tech support we tried 3 diffrent evolutions here and they all worked we check the web and its fine!
cal tech support they ma can walk you threw the process

Been trying to download- all I get is cannot find file check back later.

Been trying to download- all I get is cannot find file check back later.

I'm guessing you have a problem with your computer. Had the same thing happen with my desk top. Finally gave up on that POS and tried it on my laptop and it worked fine. You probably need to update to latest verison of XP. I think there is a problem with some of the older verison being able to download and store certain files.

I have also downloaded and will load it in the truck tomorrow

we had a firewall issue and its beign taken care of today sorry guys were in the proccess of converting this system to another one!!!!

I was able to download it this evening.

If I understand right, the only difference this update has over the last released version is some changes to level 1, is that correct?

yes that is correct level 1 is the only thing that changed.
any one this weekend running this level for a distance please reply and let me know how things are coming please.
blemoine@edgeproducts.com

So if I install the latest update for level one, how do I do the update for the previous level 3 change ect? Is there a way to do severel diff updates is what I am asking?

How bout that extension so I can move my Evo up to my overhad console.....

How bout that extension so I can move my Evo up to my overhad console.....

That is also in the works. We are getting price quotes from the different cable manufactures, it should be available within the next couple months. Keep checking back with Tech support, when they are available they will be able to get you one.

Guys that have downloaded the new "economy" tune what do you think so far? I have not been on a long enough trip yet to see what it can do. Around town it seems to be a little better

The tune does seem better. Drivability is nice. Definately less power than the old tune but at least it does seem to get a little better mpg or about the same. I can not comment much on the mpg as it is too cold to get any decent results. Too much idling and four wheel drive.

I have just installed the Edge Evolution,easy to hookup, like all the features,Truck shifts better etc. But my question is on page 5 of my instructions it reads (Tow Performance Program) "When towing a heavy load we recommend using this setting" now according to this post I should use level 1 when pulling my fiver (10,000+lbs.)?:confuzeld I'am just looking for a little clairfication here. My main reason for getting this unit was for a little extra ump when towing along with some better mileage. This is the latest and greatest unit "p/n EEC 1000" according to my diesel buddy.:)

The tune does seem better. Drivability is nice. Definately less power than the old tune but at least it does seem to get a little better mpg or about the same. I can not comment much on the mpg as it is too cold to get any decent results. Too much idling and four wheel drive.

well you guys didnt care about the power so i did that for sure. The mileage should be at least 2mpg better that we have proven but thats why i wante to get it out there and see if you guys liked the tune and if diffrent altituides see anything needs something please let me know i will perfect it. hope its perfect and we see a increase.

Do what you want but the tranny is not going to last pulling that kind of load with the LBZ motor and Level 2 evolution. I find that my tranny starts to shift a bit hard after towing for a while and the temps are a bit too hot anyway to tow that heavy. You have to remember that the LBZ is already 130 ft-lbs more than the old LB7 and the evolution bumps it up another 135ft-lbs or about 170 ft-lbs flywheel. That is an additional 300 flywheel ft-lbs through the tranny from the LB7 version. That is an awful lot of power through a stock tranny and motor. I pull a 14,000lb trailer and I am quite happy with the performance. I can merge with traffic quite easily and maintain speed on hills. I used to have an LB7 and ran with the Quad 70hp tune when towing. That setup was only slightly stronger than a stock LBZ.

Buck,

The tune seems good. Driveability seems excellent. And I don't care about the power much when running this tune. If I cared then I run a stronger tune. I want something for driving trips, everyday or pulling my trailer. Level 2 is too strong for my trailer. The tranny starts acting up after a while and the temps get too hot. It is great when lightly loaded though(under 5000lbs.) Sorry I can't give much feedback on the mileage. It is just too cold here and it wouldn't be fair. Impressions are good though. I am getting about 550 - 600 kms per tank which is good in the wintertime. It is definately better than the old Level 1.

Do what you want but the tranny is not going to last pulling that kind of load with the LBZ motor and Level 2 evolution. I find that my tranny starts to shift a bit hard after towing for a while and the temps are a bit too hot anyway to tow that heavy. You have to remember that the LBZ is already 130 ft-lbs more than the old LB7 and the evolution bumps it up another 135ft-lbs or about 170 ft-lbs flywheel. That is an additional 300 flywheel ft-lbs through the tranny from the LB7 version. That is an awful lot of power through a stock tranny and motor. I pull a 14,000lb trailer and I am quite happy with the performance. I can merge with traffic quite easily and maintain speed on hills. I used to have an LB7 and ran with the Quad 70hp tune when towing. That setup was only slightly stronger than a stock LBZ.

Thanks Coghlin for the info, I will reset mine to level 1 this weekend.Will be towing the fiver over to the coast saturday, be a good test for it.

Hi Buck,

I loaded the new Level one on Saturday. My impression was less power (I'm fine with that), and a 70 mile trip at 60mph "seems" to have done a lot better fuel wise.

I would like to see the custom tire size be available even if I decide to run the stock tune.

Your doing good, keep it up!

Thanks,

i would like to see the custom tire size be available even if i decide to run the stock tune.
x2:d

I loaded the level 1, and power wise it is still a def improvement over stock....havent run it long enough to tell about mpg. Anyone notice longer time for egts to cool in park? In level 2 my egts went down real fast while idling, now it takes alot longer.

My 2 cents......

level 1 good milage, extra hp/trq is a +

level 2 extra hp/trq for towing, extra milage is a +. (I tow +/-8k lbs w/ 37's)

level 3 Performance, most hp/trq while still safe 4 truck

Strange but I could swear my tranny runs way better on level #3. On level #2 it's never quite got set to the point where it doesn't flare up once and awhile. I'm not sure if it's a tuning problem. I also think #3 runs through the torque converter when you mat it but shifts well everyday driving.

Blemoine02,
I don't know how this works but since we can download the tunes off the internet could you make 2 different sets of tunes, one for mileage and towing and one more for the racers. I would like tune 1 to be what you just updated for mileage and tune 2 to be for towing over 10,000 lbs and tune 3 to be like tune 2 is now. Just a thought.

Strange but I could swear my tranny runs way better on level #3. On level #2 it's never quite got set to the point where it doesn't flare up once and awhile. I'm not sure if it's a tuning problem. I also think #3 runs through the torque converter when you mat it but shifts well everyday driving.

I didnt think mine shifted bad on 3, but I do think 1 and 2 shift like stock, especially after running them a while.

Blemoine02,
I don't know how this works but since we can download the tunes off the internet could you make 2 different sets of tunes, one for mileage and towing and one more for the racers. I would like tune 1 to be what you just updated for mileage and tune 2 to be for towing over 10,000 lbs and tune 3 to be like tune 2 is now. Just a thought.

:thumb: I'am with you. What do you think Blemoine02 ?

QOUTED
I don't know how this works but since we can download the tunes off the internet could you make 2 different sets of tunes, one for mileage and towing and one more for the racers. I would like tune 1 to be what you just updated for mileage and tune 2 to be for towing over 10,000 lbs and tune 3 to be like tune 2 is now. Just a thought.

Reply:
Sorry that would be in the firmware and i have no control of the actual firmware . All i do is calibrations, i do have plenty of tunes but i cant do that im sorry because of a hand full of people versus other thousands that may not come on the sight. We were told to recommend to get the juice if u need more levels. This is suppose to be our entry level tuner.

I will do my best within the range that i can. If i could do more i would!!!!!

QOUTED
I don't know how this works but since we can download the tunes off the internet could you make 2 different sets of tunes, one for mileage and towing and one more for the racers. I would like tune 1 to be what you just updated for mileage and tune 2 to be for towing over 10,000 lbs and tune 3 to be like tune 2 is now. Just a thought.

Reply:
Sorry that would be in the firmware and i have no control of the actual firmware . All i do is calibrations, i do have plenty of tunes but i cant do that im sorry because of a hand full of people versus other thousands that may not come on the sight. We were told to recommend to get the juice if u need more levels. This is suppose to be our entry level tuner.

I think what he means is that there is two calibration files available for us online to download. That way if we wanted a mpg tune we could download that file and if we wanted a race tune we could download that file also.

Not to make the evolution itself capable of supporting 6 tunes all at the same time.

I will do my best within the range that i can. If i could do more i would!!!!!


Your doing a lot more than other company's have done so far. Your listening to the customers and giving them what they want.
Keep up the good work. :thankyou2

I have run 1 tank of fuel (400 miles) with the "new" level 1. I made roughly the same trip(s) as the previous 400 miles (lvl 2) with fuel from the same pump. I only got a 0.75 mpg increase. I was hoping for more, but any improvement is a welcome sight! I try not to form an opinion, good or bad, from just one tank of fuel so I will keep monitoring mpg on this tune and see how it goes.

Thanks, and keep up the good work Buck.

I have run 1 tank of fuel (400 miles) with the "new" level 1. I made roughly the same trip(s) as the previous 400 miles (lvl 2) with fuel from the same pump. I only got a 0.75 mpg increase. I was hoping for more, but any improvement is a welcome sight! I try not to form an opinion, good or bad, from just one tank of fuel so I will keep monitoring mpg on this tune and see how it goes.

Thanks, and keep up the good work Buck.

Was this hwy miles, city, or both?

Sorry, roughly a third of the miles were hwy miles @ 70-75 mph. The rest were on rural roads @ 55-60 mph. I went from 16.4 mpg on level 2 to 17.45 mpg on the new level 1. I have previoulsy gotten a best of 17.5 mpg on level 2 and 17.1 mpg on the old level 1 under the same driving conditions. All of this is with ULSD. (My truck seems to get better fuel economy with the ULSD.)

the only problem with having 2 set of tunes we have to have a engineer generate those other 3 spots for my calibration files and they have no time right now we are int he work of tring but i cant promise nothing k
so i hope the mileage does get better i will eave this one posted for awhile till i get some more feedback from highway driving and i hope i may can do better as we go!!!! stay with me guys im currently on another project and im doing this for you guys on my own time or the side. k

Buck,
So far have not seen much of an improvement with the new level 1. Won't really be able to tell until the weather warms up. Have noticed that the EGT's seem to be slightly lower although haven't hauled anything with it yet. It's nice to have supplier that's interested in it's customers and provides GOOD support. Appreciate the work.

Sorry, roughly a third of the miles were hwy miles @ 70-75 mph. The rest were on rural roads @ 55-60 mph. I went from 16.4 mpg on level 2 to 17.45 mpg on the new level 1. I have previoulsy gotten a best of 17.5 mpg on level 2 and 17.1 mpg on the old level 1 under the same driving conditions. All of this is with ULSD. (My truck seems to get better fuel economy with the ULSD.)

Out of curiousity, how many miles do you have on your truck now? Your getting a lot better mileage than me but I know my problem is mine isn't broken in yet.
Hopefully it will get at least what yours is getting.

Thanks blemoine02,
I just thought it would be nice to have three tunes that would not hurt a trans on one download for the guys that aren't built to handle the horse power/torq and three on another download that the built guys could enjoy. If you guys came up with that it would definitely be an "evolution" in tuners. I appreciate the work you are doing for us. Thanks

well from the test we done none of our tunes should hurt the trans upond driving conditions.
u can go back and download the old update to get the old level one if u still want too! u dont have to have the tested unstable version.

does the new tune increase the power on level 1 over stock?
The old level 1was pretty low on power. I do love level 2 though. I hope it hasnt changed unless you are going to do as someone suggested- level 1 ecconomy lower level 2 for heavy towing and lower level 3 for safe fun.

well from the test we done none of our tunes should hurt the trans upond driving conditions.
u can go back and download the old update to get the old level one if u still want too! u dont have to have the tested unstable version.

I'd just like to restate what Buck is pointing out. There are essential two sets of tunes that you can update with. Version 0.17.7 and earlier all have Level 1 as more of a 'lower horsepower' tune (compared to Level 2) rather than a 'Economy' tune. Buck has done a great job and retuned Level 1 to hopefully get getter gas mileage (upon your requests) with version 0.17.8. You can always go back to any version you like. This means you really get 4 tunes right now! I just came out with a version 0.17.9 today to support more calibration files, and that uses the 'lower horsepower' Level 1. Version 0.17.8 is labeled 'Unstable' because we are waiting for feedback before we raise it to Beta or Release.

You guys are making great suggestions and give great feedback. We'll try to improve our products continuously, but please be patient with us as we are working on many new products as well as revising past ones. Thanks!

- Jay
Edge Engineer

Since everyone is posting opinions and request, here's mine for what it's worth :rolleyes: :

I am currently testing the new level 1 for mpg. I drive the exact same route every day, 40 + 40 miles a day cruise set on 74mph. I just started monday afternoon so I will not have any numbers untill friday. Just going by the gauge and mileage I would say my mileage has increased but will know for sure when calculated. I am trying to keep the test as comparable as possible by driving the exact same and not babying it just to see a mpg increase. Thanks for the fast reply's and working with us:) . I know you cannot satisfy everybody with a 3 level tuner but here is my personal preferences and experience. Level 1, MPG TUNE; I don't care about power just mpg for daily driving. Truck has plenty power stock. +3 mpg would be awesome and pay for the tuner over time. Level 2, TOWING TUNE; currently a great daily street tune but the egt's are to high to use as a tow tune to tow a 12K-14K load. I would like to see a 50 hp tow tune with egt's maxing in the 1200 range when hot. Level 3, EXTREME TUNE; seems to be a little too much for my tranny and fuel system, feels like all of the power it adds is not getting to the ground. Once, it did hook up in traffic when I floored it from 35 mph to keep from being hit and it broke the tires loose:eek: . Shifts on 3 are kinda funky. I think my truck would rather see 85 hp and shift like it does on level 2 for the extreme mode. I believe it would allow the tranny to put the power to the street and give a better "seat-o-the pant's" feel than it does now. I would like to see level 3 as a STREET tune. I see the EVO as more of "everyday joe" tuner rather than try to compete with the juice as a higher hp performance tuner. I look at it this way; if you wan't a high hp tuner you are gonna need a tranny upgrade$$ anyway and as long as you are shuckin' out the cash, just as soon spend the extra on the performance oriented tuners. Save the juice for the hot rodders and give us Joe's a good all around tuner. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great work.

Out of curiousity, how many miles do you have on your truck now? Your getting a lot better mileage than me but I know my problem is mine isn't broken in yet.
Hopefully it will get at least what yours is getting.

11k. I can only get that if I baby it and I am able to keep a fairly constant speed.

:exactly: :iamwithst I have not made up my mind on getting the Juice or the EVO, but from this thread I am alot closer to the EVO.

Buck from EDGE, THANK YOU!!!! Even though I do not own the EVO yet, I appreciate everything you have done and are doing for us the consumer. there is no way you can make all of us happy with the end product, but as you can see all of us are happy you are listening. I do not know of any other company that hires people today that do what you are doing for basically nothing. I wish there was a way to send you some money for the time off the clock you have put in for us. Do you have a Paypal account, I would gladly send you a $20 spot and I am sure there are a few hundred other people that would do the same as a thank you for making the EVO a great "working man's" product. I can not say it enough, THANK YOU!!!!!

I had a Edge EZ in my old 01 and absolutely loved it. I am sure that when I get the EVO or the Juice, I will love it to.

Now for my .02 cents. I am like some others. If I want the best tunes, I would buy the Juice. I am more interested in MPG increases with a little bit more power, but extra HP is not important on level one. I would like my level 2 to be good for towing up to 5 to 6,000 lbs and tow it well. MPG increase would be a plus, but I do not expect it. My level 3 would be a tow tune for towing up to 11,000 lbs or so and do that well with safe EGTs, with that much weight a MPG increase is impossible so just let it haul arse. If I am not towing and empty, then level 2 and 3 should be safe for everyday driving and fun to drive with. I do not know if I will ever mod my tranny, I did not in my old 01, so I would like 3 to be borederline on a tranny buster, but my decision to run it. I think with the EVO being a lower price point, the 100+ HP tunes have no place there. 75 to 85 should be max in my uneducated opinion.

Thanks again for all your own time and I will make my decision pretty soon as winter is almost over, I HOPE!!!!

I agree with gmcya 100%. I bought the EVO b/c I didnt want to spend the extra money for the Juice combo. The EVO is great!!! I want my truck to last with minimal problems. I only tow a travel trailer thats about 7k. Stock was great... but would like to see better MPG. (getting between 10-11 running about 68mph in Missouri) level 2 (version 0.17.7) is a blast for daily driving!!!! took a friend for a ride and he ordered one when he got home for his truck! I don't plan on racing my truck so I don't care about the 100hp tune. It sounds cool but the tranny can't handle it, so I won't use it! The tranny is getting worked on next(deep pan, transgo jr.) just for towing reasons. So in my opinion gmcya has the right idea!!!

on another note.... should all the downloads after 0.15.0 be downloaded as to add to the 0.15.0 program? or is 0.17.7 a rewritten program?
Thanks for all the hard work Buck!!! And thanks to all the guys at EDGE for putting out a great product and continuing to improve it!!!

I am pretty sure it would be a little harder to sell a programmer with under a 100 like the evo. That is a better selling bonus IMO. If it didnt advertise 100 I would have gone with the Juice, but I like the evos fetures/easy install/removal better. I also agree with eggsack on the thanks to the edge guys, something I have not seen much from other companies.

I'd just like to restate what Buck is pointing out. There are essential two sets of tunes that you can update with. Version 0.17.7 and earlier all have Level 1 as more of a 'lower horsepower' tune (compared to Level 2) rather than a 'Economy' tune. Buck has done a great job and retuned Level 1 to hopefully get getter gas mileage (upon your requests) with version 0.17.8. You can always go back to any version you like. This means you really get 4 tunes right now! I just came out with a version 0.17.9 today to support more calibration files, and that uses the 'lower horsepower' Level 1. Version 0.17.8 is labeled 'Unstable' because we are waiting for feedback before we raise it to Beta or Release.

You guys are making great suggestions and give great feedback. We'll try to improve our products continuously, but please be patient with us as we are working on many new products as well as revising past ones. Thanks!

- Jay
Edge Engineer

Quick question, is 0.17.8 the most current available to download? I just updated my Evo on Monday and could have sworn that 0.17.7 was the lastest one I saw.
I thought 0.17.7 was the updated level 1 mpg tune. :confused:

[ flame suit on ]

What is the point of having a 100 hp tune if you can't use it. Not the reason I bought it. If you need 100 hp or more that is what the juice is for. The EVO is cheap fun. I have a friend ordering an EVO after driving mine on level 2. You see alot of guys asking for more power on this board because that is what they come here looking for. The average "joe" drivers out number the speed freaks by at least 1000 to 1. Granted if I could afford to go fast I would, but being a single parent with lot's of toys it is just not practical or fair to my 6 yr old daughter to spend all of my time and money on my truck. I am still young (35) and like to play every now and then on the drive to work and still have my truck be dependable enough to tow the camper on the weekends, and the EVO fills my needs. Edge already offers a product with an advertised hp over 100 to compete with the others so why should the EVO need to do it also. Let the juice fulfill the racers needs and let us "Joe's" have a useable product. Once the EVO gets refined for us daily drivers/weekend warriors, and the word gets out about the features and affordable price, I do not think edge will have a problem with units sitting on the shelves due to an advertised hp under 100. The EVO is getting close but all I can say is that if it were setup like I posted earlier and used my truck as a demo I could sell 3 before the end of the week.

the level 3 we have not had no problems with any beta nor alpha tester with the tranny. I'm not quit sure what kinda problems you guys having with your trannys in level 3. Are you letting the tranny adapt to the shifting style that you want. If you guys want to keep level 3 in tow hual it does increase line pressure slightly that may help aswell. Im sorry that you don't like the level 3 i will work on the level 2 to try to lower the egts and keep the same hp level k. but level 3 i may do the same and may make it drive better but as for now the level of power wont change. were tring to stay in a medium to compromise with everyone. One day we may have more levels to offer but as of now this all we have im sorry. I hope i can be further help.

so far i must say that the edge staff and people associated with it have been very understanding and helpful with any of there products...the evo is my first programmer for a diesel truck and i love it. Keep up the good work Edge.:ro)

were tring to stay in a medium to compromise with everyone
Understandable, just thought I would voice my opinion.

First.. thanks again Buck for the help. There was some conflicting #'s in the manual and the website so please clear that up first...It is +100 RWHP on extreme right??? I can get my tranny to learn 3 if I drive in the stop and go in the city constantly but after 2 days of highway driving and trying to take off from a stop at wot it seems the alli has re-adjusted to just the cruise and does not like the extra power untill it adjust again. Like I said, it feels weird like the power is not getting to the ground but it does haul! I personally will probally never use level 3 again just for longevity issues but to each his own. Level 2 is a fun tune, great power and shifts great. Feel free to PM me.

gmcya, if you dont want the extra power dont use it then. Dont whine and complain about it, there are those of us who are playing with level three on a fairly regular basis and enjoy having the extra power at a lower price than the Juice w/attitude, plus it will do things that the juice will not like the tire calibrations and speed limiter.

Im new to this site but Im interested in the EVO. I have an 07 Silverado CC 4x4 with 4000 miles on it. I am averaging about 18 mpg combined, had one tank at 22mpg which was mostly 60 mpg rural driving. It is my daily driver so Id like to get the mpg up around 20. I have a 7000 pound travel trailer and Im hoping to increase the towing mileage as well. I wont race so I dont need level 3. is it possible to get 2 mpg out of the economy tune and 2 or so while towing????

gmcya, if you dont want the extra power dont use it then. Dont whine and complain about it, there are those of us who are playing with level three on a fairly regular basis and enjoy having the extra power at a lower price than the Juice w/attitude, plus it will do things that the juice will not like the tire calibrations and speed limiter.

Exactly. If they took alot of the power away from level 3 then ppl would complain....they def cant please everyone but just cause its there doesnt mean you have to use it.

i will do what it take to please everyone and try to make good reliable tunes for you guys. All the info you guys give us are very appreciated and all it does is make it a better product for you. Thanks again and for the learn procedure for level 3 if you want try to adapt learn the level 3 on the tow haul mode so when u do turn the levels down it wont be a aggressive shifting. just a thought i know alot of people do that as well.

I will try to play with level 2 with in a week for better egts. I hope to get some better response on the new level one cause I am still tweaking it to try to get better mileage as well.

what kind of mpg increses are you guys getting on level one?????

i would like to hear 2-3mpg

i would like to hear 2-3mpg



so would I. Im getting about 18 combined on a stock 07 and Id love to get up to 20

hay Buck
I tryed to update to the 0.17.9 from the 0.17.7 and keep getting a "checksum failed 12610870" . the 0.17.7 has worked for the past 4 days, thats how long I have had the EVO. i have an 2006 lbz.

Thanks for the all the help & extra work.

what kind of mpg increses are you guys getting on level one?????

Only about 0.75 mpg (over level 2) on the one tank of fuel I have tested so far. The current tank will not be a good comparison because the temp is about 25-30 degrees cooler now than it was over the weekend.

what MPG increase is level 2 getting cowdoc?

hay Buck
I tryed to update to the 0.17.9 from the 0.17.7 and keep getting a "checksum failed 12610870" . the 0.17.7 has worked for the past 4 days, thats how long I have had the EVO. i have an 2006 lbz.

Thanks for the all the help & extra work.

The only thing that has changed from 0.17.7 to 0.17.9 is more supported calibration files. I would think that its failing the checksum because it's not reading a good stock stock file. One very easy way to fix this would be to hook up the Evolution to Lightning and Lighting will automatically detect that your saved files on the Evolution aren't perfectly stock. It will download perfect stock files from our server and your Evolution would turn into a stock writer. That means the next time you hook up the Evolution to your truck, it will program your truck back to stock. It should not fail the checksum again.
The reason we did this was the fact that we didn't want to program over another programmers tunes. This could result in a really bad tune. Some tuners don't even program your truck back to full stock. Checksumming means we add all the 1s and 0s in the file and come up with a result, and that result should match what we expect. As far as I know, we are the only company that does this for you. I hope this helps.

I made up my mind and my EVO has been ordered and will be installed on Saturday at my local Edge dealer. Buck, you are the reason I am buying it, and I had an EZ in an 01 and loved it, so I consider what you are doing here for us to be way worth more than anything anyone else is doing here. Thanks for the support and I look forward to giving a fuel mileage report when I go to Birmingham and back next week. About a 1,800 mile round trip. I have a good history of fuel mileage on my truck so comparison will not be hard to do.

Thanks Edge and especially BUCK!!!!:ro) :bow:

what MPG increase is level 2 getting cowdoc?

I would have to say that level 2 gets maybe 1/2 mpg improvement over stock. Its hard to say though because I haven't had the truck tuned to stock since it had about 3500 miles on it.

Buck , I'd like to point out too that this quality service and products leads to repeat customers like me. I didn't even consider any other tuners after having my Juice on my old 03.

I made up my mind and my EVO has been ordered and will be installed on Saturday at my local Edge dealer. Buck, you are the reason I am buying it, and I had an EZ in an 01 and loved it, so I consider what you are doing here for us to be way worth more than anything anyone else is doing here. Thanks for the support and I look forward to giving a fuel mileage report when I go to Birmingham and back next week. About a 1,800 mile round trip. I have a good history of fuel mileage on my truck so comparison will not be hard to do.

Thanks Edge and especially BUCK!!!!:ro) :bow:



looking foward to that report.......

I have to go to Cleveland in the AM. It is about 600 mile round trip and I will get a good MPG in all stock version, then next week I will get a good test for the EVO. I will try to play on Monday and Tuesday so I can get it out of my system so I can be easy on the go pedal for the trip to Birmingham. Man I do put a lot of miles on don't I? Cleveland to Birmingham and I do not drive for a living:eek:

Dont whine and complain about it,Before accusing me of "whining and complaining" please read and comprehend all that I have had to say about this product so far. To quote myself;Since everyone is posting opinions and request, here's mine for what it's worth :


I personally will probally never use level 3 again just for longevity issues but to each his own.
:rolleyes: Back on topic.

As far as MPG goes I refilled yesterday after 300 miles of daily driving and actually saw a loss on the updated level 1 over level 2. I know it is not very scientific after only 1 tank but running level 2 I normally average 14.8 to 15.2 MPG. Highway driving, cruise set on 74. Yesterday I calculated 14.2 MPG with no diff. in driving route or habits. I actually tried to be easy on the go pedal for the last few days. Hopefully someone else can test it over a long distance but I did not see a difference over 3 days of normal commuting.

I just did a trip and I got almost the same mileage with 3400lbs in the bed as I did empty with the new tune. But it did seem to improve my mileage but it is so hard to tell in the winter with so many other factors.

I just did a trip and I got almost the same mileage with 3400lbs in the bed as I did empty with the new tune. But it did seem to improve my mileage but it is so hard to tell in the winter with so many other factors.
Which new tune???

My test was with 0.17.8.

Is 0.17.9 a new MPG tune(thought the test mpg tune was 17.8) or just overall tweaked all 3 levels. I just updated to 0.17.9 .:help2:

which new tune??? my test was with 0.17.8. Is 0.17.9 a new mpg tune(thought the test mpg tune was 17.8) or just overall tweaked all 3 levels. I just updated to 0.17.9 .:help2: the only thing that has changed from 0.17.7 to 0.17.9 is more supported calibration files. :d

I have been running 17.8 this week and have not seen much of an improvement, but it's been cold in michigan and hard to tell.

I just ran 401 miles and I put 23.5 gallons in so that is like 17 all stock from Margantown WV to west Cleveland then back to Hubbard Ohio. mostly interstate and some trafffic and stop lights. All on ULSD from Sam's Club in Morgantown. So my stck test was done.

I filled the truck up until it ran out the neck and would not go down until I turned on the key and I just filled up the same way so it was FULL.

Next report with mods next Monday night a week.

This is tough. The new program comes out just when the temps plummet. Temps play a huge role in MPG.

Edge EVO, MBRP 4" cat back exhaust and Style Steps have now been installed on the truck. I had fun plaing with level one today for about anhour before the roads got slick from fresh slow. It wasa nice bost from stock. I would have to say that the LBZ is dangerous at this level, let alone at #2. You guys out there that want all these mods for 500+ HP are CRAZY:uhoh2:

I did not know that MBRPs mufflers could be put on in 2 different directions, one for loud sound or flip it and it is quiet. Due to my youg kids, I chose to go the quiet way and it is not a noisy as the stock one was, WTF?

I did not know that MBRPs mufflers could be put on in 2 different directions, one for loud sound or flip it and it is quiet. Due to my youg kids, I chose to go the quiet way and it is not a noisy as the stock one was, WTF?

mbrp actually says to mount it where the exhuast will flow over the peeled up pieces, thas how i installed mine and is still pretty quiet. i see you have the jl stealthbox how do you like and may i ask around how much you pay for it?

am i correct that the evo is not stackable with another programmer?

Level #3 is addictive.....

The Stealth box is AWESOME. It does not have a big boom factor outside the truck, but when you get in it is frigging awesome:) I paid right at $700 at a place in Pittsburgh. I can PM you information. I would suggest that if you like good clean bass that is custom made for the truck, JL is the only ay to go. I have a 600W Planet Audio amp pumping it and it huts hard and sounds great!!!!



mbrp actually says to mount it where the exhuast will flow over the peeled up pieces, thas how i installed mine and is still pretty quiet. i see you have the jl stealthbox how do you like and may i ask around how much you pay for it?

am i correct that the evo is not stackable with another programmer?

Anyone seeing any mileage increases? I am not. I might be seeing a slight increase when loaded mildly. The mileage doesn't seem to drop off as bad when loaded but I am still getting the same mileage per tank. While Edge was fixing their glitch in the software I was stock for a week and got the best mileage to date. When going for mileage the best is found with my truck at about 1400rpms in 6th gear. Maybe they aren't tuning for this rpm range.

Not really seeing much. The weather has warmed up some here so it's tough to say which is causing the "slight" mileage increase.

Heres my 2 cents on gas mileage, I have 9,500 miles on my truck and drive 80% stop in go traffic / 20% freeway here in SoCal and I have averaged 15 miles per gallon hand calced, 15.7 on DIC all on Level 2. This has been a average on 5 tanks with the same driving pattern (medium to heavy foot). IMO, I can't complain that I can get 15 miles per gallon on a 7,000 pound truck with the kind of power this things put out & the capabilities that these trucks can tow. I would imagine I could get around 17-18 on strickly freeway flying but I have not had the oppertunity to test. With this all said, my 2000 Chevy 5.3 1/2 ton 4x4 & my 2003 Chevy Tahoe 5.3 4x4 avergaed 13.5 on this same commute.

i havent had time to mess with any tunning on the lbz lly in few weeks as im swamp and pushed to finish the 07 chevy gas evolution. As soon this comes to a halt i will jump back onboard the lbz and try to get something better for towing heavier in level 2 and fix few things level 3 and try some better mileage tunes as well, but i cant promise anything yet on how long. i am under a huge load on this gmt900 project. so bare with me and i will get back to you guys i promise.

I just updated my Evolution. I am back to getting 15+ in town and havent tried highway yet.

I just did a 525 mile hwy trip (I-40) today with the Evo on the Beta lvl 1. I got 17.75 mpg. A couple of months ago I did a 250 mile trip (I-20) on lvl 2 and got 17.9 mpg. I will be headed back home on thursday or friday. I am going to run lvl 2 for a comparison. I'll report back next monday.
Too bad we can't reprogram for bigger tires and run stock tuning with the EVO. Since we can't, there is no way I can compare the different tunes to stock levels (hint to Edge!!) :help2: !!

i havent had time to mess with any tunning on the lbz lly in few weeks as im swamp and pushed to finish the 07 chevy gas evolution. As soon this comes to a halt i will jump back onboard the lbz and try to get something better for towing heavier in level 2 and fix few things level 3 and try some better mileage tunes as well, but i cant promise anything yet on how long. i am under a huge load on this gmt900 project. so bare with me and i will get back to you guys i promise.

Thanks Buck, keep us posted.

i dono about you guys with the gas mileage but i am getting around 20 in town and 23-25 freeway hand calc. and about 400+miles to a tank I love my edge haha and level 3 is addicting but i wish i could get my egt's down...just pulling out of my drive way and accelerating to 60 slowly it hits 850-900...i dont want to take off my cat because i dont want it that loud....

i dono about you guys with the gas mileage but i am getting around 20 in town and 23-25 freeway hand calc. and about 400+miles to a tank I love my edge haha and level 3 is addicting but i wish i could get my egt's down...just pulling out of my drive way and accelerating to 60 slowly it hits 850-900...i dont want to take off my cat because i dont want it that loud....



what highway speed is that????

Hell I can hit 1400 with it only at half throttle. There is a point where there is too much fuel and not enough boost. Aroun 11-12 psi when accelerating it hits some pretty high EGTs. In Level 3 last night I hit 1400 degrees by the time I hit 65 mph. The evolution needs more boost to control the EGTs.

yea...and highway speeds from 75-80 and my max boost i hit at wot is 26psi

whats the latest????? are you guys seeing MPG increases???? Anyone towing and having any issues. Im trying to decide between the vo and predator. I have a 6500 pound tt

with in a few weeks the boost issue will be fixed with more boost and there will be updates for you guys to update again. I'm trying to finish our current project. and i will take care of you guys i promise.

thanks blemoine...this is my first chip and first diesel and after all the great support and info and what not i have gotten from edge...i will never try anything else... edge for life haha keep up the good work

whats the latest????? are you guys seeing MPG increases???? Anyone towing and having any issues. Im trying to decide between the vo and predator. I have a 6500 pound tt

I am NOT seeing mpg increases :mad: . The most I have towed so far is 12-15k# on level 2. I was towing on the interstate @ 70 mph. The power was great but egt's hung around 1100-1200 and hit >1350 pretty fast on even a slight hill. Buck assures us that there is an update just around the corner to fix that.
Engine and transmission temps were both good and I did not limp the tranny. I think you could pull the tt without any issues on level 2, especially down in Florida where there are no hills to speak of. I had the Predator and I liked it too. It seems to have more grunt to it for pulling, especially down low. I sold it and bought the EVO for the built-in gauges. Sometimes I regret it and sometimes I don't. The customer service at Edge has been excellent (sorry, I can't say the same for Diablosport) and with people like Buck working with us on some of the issues/requests that people like me are making, I don't think you could go wrong by buying the EVO. Just my humble opinion.

You might want to check this thread out.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140856

thanks cowdoc

with in a few weeks the boost issue will be fixed with more boost and there will be updates for you guys to update again. I'm trying to finish our current project. and i will take care of you guys i promise.

Thanks for all the help so far and keep up the good work!

Hey Buck, I don't know if it was you or not, but I spoke to someone back in January with EDGE about my Brake light, and ABS light, and bells going off EVERY TIME I get in my truck due to the tire calibration. And they said it would be fixed In March. Is there any word on this? It is VERY anoying.:help:

Hey COWDOC,what EGT did the Predator produce pulling heavy?Used to pull my 12,000 lb. fiver with an LB7 Juiced on level 1 with very manageable EGT.Pulled with new truck but did not have gauges in yet to see where the EGT is going to run .

Hey COWDOC,what EGT did the Predator produce pulling heavy?Used to pull my 12,000 lb. fiver with an LB7 Juiced on level 1 with very manageable EGT.Pulled with new truck but did not have gauges in yet to see where the EGT is going to run .

I wish I could tell you, but I didn't have any gauges when I ran the Predator.

the only problem with having 2 set of tunes we have to have a engineer generate those other 3 spots for my calibration files and they have no time right now we are int he work of tring but i cant promise nothing k
so i hope the mileage does get better i will eave this one posted for awhile till i get some more feedback from highway driving and i hope i may can do better as we go!!!! stay with me guys im currently on another project and im doing this for you guys on my own time or the side. k




hey i want to buy one of you can anser a few ? i would want it more can i load new stuff from a mac labtop? can i change tire size at a stock power setin?

hey i want to buy one of you can anser a few ? i would want it more can i load new stuff from a mac labtop? can i change tire size at a stock power setin?

I'm not sure about the mac labtop but I know you can't change tire size on the stock setin.

Originally Posted by Twister773 http://dieselplace.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133439&page=14#post1619994)
i dono about you guys with the gas mileage but i am getting around 20 in town and 23-25 freeway hand calc. and about 400+miles to a tank I love my edge haha and level 3 is addicting but i wish i could get my egt's down...just pulling out of my drive way and accelerating to 60 slowly it hits 850-900...i dont want to take off my cat because i dont want it that loud....



what highway speed is that????



At 75-80 you are getting 23-25 hand calc??? Yeah right. Just going down hill, maybe.

Hey Buck, I don't know if it was you or not, but I spoke to someone back in January with EDGE about my Brake light, and ABS light, and bells going off EVERY TIME I get in my truck due to the tire calibration. And they said it would be fixed In March. Is there any word on this? It is VERY anoying.:help:
?????????

hmm im dont do firmware stuff but if you call tech support they will let you know if that has been updated. sorry i cant help in that area.

yea jk about the 23-25... at most its like 21-23

Any word on the updates???? im getting closer to buying and Im interested if the updates come through.....

I really would like to see EGTs get reduced for towing. I tow a 6k truck on a Gooseneck and have to use level 1 and it still runs hot sometimes. I love the programmer unloaded but I'm about to get the hypertech for towing and use the Evo for gauges. Plus i have 5 inch with no cat or muffler and egts are still high.

i have an 06 lbz wich edge should i go with attitude or evolution?and also waht exhaust?

Hey Buck, I don't know if it was you or not, but I spoke to someone back in January with EDGE about my Brake light, and ABS light, and bells going off EVERY TIME I get in my truck due to the tire calibration. And they said it would be fixed In March. Is there any word on this? It is VERY anoying.:help:

There is a certain tire size that programmers start to show that problem. It should be stated in your manual that if you go above 2900mm, that might start occurring. We haven't found a solution to that yet. Sorry.

There is a certain tire size that programmers start to show that problem. It should be stated in your manual that if you go above 2900mm, that might start occurring. We haven't found a solution to that yet. Sorry.

Thanx, I'll just set it down to 2900 to get rid of It for now.

Sorry if this is old hat to some of you Evolution users but a couple of questions. I went to my local diesel performance shop who carries Edge and he said to install the Evolution and go and check it out. Install was easy, and since I already have a boost and EGT gauge I didn't have to bother installing the the EGT probe. Totally underwhelmed with the speed at which it loaded the program. Also can't switch programs on the fly or did I miss something? Being able to download updates from the web is a good feature, but other than that, I was totally unimpressed, am I missing something? I also don't understand how the new and supposed stronger 6 speed tranny limps with the level three on this tuner. It is not that hot a tune. Guess I either messed it up or too use to the old hot Juice with attitude I had on my LB7. Please school me I have to be missing something.:(

Sorry if this is old hat to some of you Evolution users but a couple of questions. I went to my local diesel performance shop who carries Edge and he said to install the Evolution and go and check it out. Install was easy, and since I already have a boost and EGT gauge I didn't have to bother installing the the EGT probe. Totally underwhelmed with the speed at which it loaded the program. Also can't switch programs on the fly or did I miss something? Being able to download updates from the web is a good feature, but other than that, I was totally unimpressed, am I missing something? I also don't understand how the new and supposed stronger 6 speed tranny limps with the level three on this tuner. It is not that hot a tune. Guess I either messed it up or too use to the old hot Juice with attitude I had on my LB7. Please school me I have to be missing something.:(

Are you talking about the time it takes to save the original tune and load a perf tune for the first time? Because that does take a long time, but switching from say level 1 to level 2 or 3 is pretty darn quick.
I just wish saving the stock tune was faster.
The Evo does not have the shift on the fly ability, only the Juice has that.
Other than that, I really like the Evo and its got great power and shifts well.
Not bad for only about $400 and you get a EGT probe as well.
The problem with level 3 is not that it's too powerful (only 100HP, not a hot tune), but its that the LBZ is already making so much power from the factory that adding an additional 100HP to it is like adding another 120-140HP to the LB7.

Are you talking about the time it takes to save the original tune and load a perf tune for the first time? Because that does take a long time, but switching from say level 1 to level 2 or 3 is pretty darn quick.
I just wish saving the stock tune was faster.
The Evo does not have the shift on the fly ability, only the Juice has that.
Other than that, I really like the Evo and its got great power and shifts well.
Not bad for only about $400 and you get a EGT probe as well.
The problem with level 3 is not that it's too powerful (only 100HP, not a hot tune), but its that the LBZ is already making so much power from the factory that adding an additional 100HP to it is like adding another 120-140HP to the LB7.

Thanks for the feedback, correct me if I'm wrong, but the 6 speed Allison is stronger than the old 5 speed given the fact that you don't have to do much to it, (ie Transgo Jr. and stronger TC) to beef it up? I told myself I wasn't going to trick up the new truck, and take all my go fast desires out on the race truck. I was always a bit worried I would break the old Crewcab since I went to the limit with that one. I figured if I left this one alone it would last much longer. Have to keep reminding myself of that.:D

In tried updating today and couldn't. Is this because Edge was updating the web?

The level 3 doesn't seem much stronger than level 2 anymore, for me at least. Don't kid yourself. I don't think the new 6 speed is any stronger than the old 5. It just has better programming and a smoother pressure variability so it seems better. I think mine is starting to get sore from level 3 as level 2 is actually faster because it slowly shifts, I think from 2-3 when accelerating on level 3. It totally dies. This is even after letting it learn for a couple weeks. It didn't used to do this and the old level 3 in Beta testing really smoked compared to the one now.

The level 3 doesn't seem much stronger than level 2 anymore, for me at least. Don't kid yourself. I don't think the new 6 speed is any stronger than the old 5. It just has better programming and a smoother pressure variability so it seems better. I think mine is starting to get sore from level 3 as level 2 is actually faster because it slowly shifts, I think from 2-3 when accelerating on level 3. It totally dies. This is even after letting it learn for a couple weeks. It didn't used to do this and the old level 3 in Beta testing really smoked compared to the one now.

I agree

:exactly: :wtf1: :damnit1: :saluteusa: I agree

im currently working on the revision on the levels 1 and 2 with more boost.
the level 3 will be revised later as we are tring to update you guys to 4 levels but its taking some time due to other projects but i will try to get new updates soon ok. hang in there with me and ill let you guys know first. level 1 and 2 should be on the web soon level 1 30hp with 2mpg+ and level 2 50-60hp with more boost and may see some better towing fuel economy. im still testing k.

4 levels (when it happens) - U da man! :bling: :phatyo: :bow: :thumb:

Like I said before, I chose to go with the Edge EVO based on what Buck is doing to help us all with our goals for programmers. Level one for total economy, level 2 for kick *** towing, level 3 for the idiots and now a level 4 and do not have to buy an new box:D :D Now that is what I call service.

Thanks for your help Buck, you truely do not make enough money and I would gladly start a Paypal campaign to get you a little bonus for being so thoughtful for us. I can not thank you enough for all your effort on your own time.

How bout it guys, lets see if we can donate to the Buck fund!!! I would gladly give $30 to $40 for his effort.

Id love to see those updates happen. A better towing program and I'll buy one for sure

Hey Buck, has the server been down the last few days? I cant seem to get linked up with it. If it isnt on your end, do you have any ideas on what I have going on?

Like I said before, I chose to go with the Edge EVO based on what Buck is doing to help us all with our goals for programmers. Level one for total economy, level 2 for kick *** towing, level 3 for the idiots and now a level 4 and do not have to buy an new box:D :D Now that is what I call service.

Thanks for your help Buck, you truely do not make enough money and I would gladly start a Paypal campaign to get you a little bonus for being so thoughtful for us. I can not thank you enough for all your effort on your own time.

How bout it guys, lets see if we can donate to the Buck fund!!! I would gladly give $30 to $40 for his effort.

i agree with the donate part...i would also gladly donate, level 4 that sounds exciting... it would be cool if there was like an add on you could buy to make it adjustable on the fly:cool: i would buy it

No money needed here i just want to make you guys happy. I do all the calibration and firmware engineer here (Jay) is the one making the 4th level we are determined to make a good programmer and continue to filter what you the consumer wants. I don't need any money its my job to make you guys happy. Just enjoy it and continue the feedback to me so we can continue to make a better product.

it may be a little longer till i can get a update please hang in there ok guys.

:hail: :hug: :clap: :bow: :beerchug:

A fourth level would be great! Personally I'm not after anything higher than what #3 puts out now, but something in the middle would be nice. There may be more people who desire a hot tune and thats fine too. Choices are always nice! This is why I'm glad to have a tuner that can be updated......tweaks and additions after the sale.

No money needed here i just want to make you guys happy. I do all the calibration and firmware engineer here (Jay) is the one making the 4th level we are determined to make a good programmer and continue to filter what you the consumer wants. I don't need any money its my job to make you guys happy. Just enjoy it and continue the feedback to me so we can continue to make a better product.

it may be a little longer till i can get a update please hang in there ok guys.


What about some way to delay lvl 3 to kick in until the engine temp gets to a certain degree.
I love lvl 3, but when the engines cold <120* it will make a really bad rattling sound. Sounds almost like pinging :eek: but after the engine warms up to about 120*+ it will go away. It seems to do it worse around 1800-2000 rpms w/ light throttle.

I don't think I'm gonna use lvl 3 anymore until it warms up more outside.

I have noticed the same problem. It sounds like a 7.3 powerstroke til it gets good and warm. Can't be good for it. Other than that I really like the Evo.

Blemoine02, did you see my question about the server problem I have been having? Post #167 Any ideas?

Wheeeeeeeeeeewwwww! long thread! just got done reading all of it:eek: , and I am excited and VERY glad I chose the evolution! Keep up the good work Buck! Every company needs a guy and positon like you and yours.;)

Buck, Thanks!! You RULE!!!!

I appreciate the continued progress on this programmer. That is the reason I wanted it. I always hated the idea of sending my programmer away and paying a fee to get it updated. This feature was the selling point for me. Now if we can just get the tunes with a little better mileage(maybe a tune with less hp) and a good tow tune I would be very happy.

Here is my two cents on the tunes.

Level 1 - a mileage tune with possibly even less hp (for cruising with the family)
Level 2 - a tow tune that won't overheat (1350EGTs) with 12,000lbs in tow
Level 3 - a strong tow/safe race tune very similar to level 2 now
Level 4 - a nice race tune, probably a little dangerous with a stock transmission.

Just thought I would put it out there. I appreciate the guys at Edge for continuing to support the customer and not just sell a product. The Evolution is a very nice package to the average consumer. Nice gauge package, EGT included, simple install, good price point and internet updateable.

I appreciate the continued progress on this programmer. That is the reason I wanted it. I always hated the idea of sending my programmer away and paying a fee to get it updated. This feature was the selling point for me. Now if we can just get the tunes with a little better mileage(maybe a tune with less hp) and a good tow tune I would be very happy.

Here is my two cents on the tunes.

Level 1 - a mileage tune with possibly even less hp (for cruising with the family)
Level 2 - a tow tune that won't overheat (1350EGTs) with 12,000lbs in tow
Level 3 - a strong tow/safe race tune very similar to level 2 now
Level 4 - a nice race tune, probably a little dangerous with a stock transmission.

Just thought I would put it out there. I appreciate the guys at Edge for continuing to support the customer and not just sell a product. The Evolution is a very nice package to the average consumer. Nice gauge package, EGT included, simple install, good price point and internet updateable.

i agree a setup somewhere in this range would be great and make almost everyone happy. ive been pretty happy with my evo and all the help and support we are getting is even better.

a setup that would be very ideal for me and hopefully agreed with most others is a tune/level for mpg whether this add no hp or very little, a tune for heavy towing somewhere in the 13k-15k range, a semi-race tune that adds optimal power but still within the stock trannys abilitys and then a race level that doesnt require more than say the transgo with a deep pan.

this is just ideal for me as currently i have a stock tranny and am on level 2 now since this seems to be the highest level to run with the stock tranny. but i goto level 1 when i tow my gooseneck which can get upto 15k sometimes. and that i plan on eventually adding the transgo with a deep pan and synthetics to be able to run level 3.

and that i plan on eventually adding the transgo with a deep pan and synthetics to be able to run level 3.

ran level 3 today on the way home from work for the first time!:eek: :eek: :eek: :drop_mout damn!!
I'll be putting it back on 2 tomorrow, I can see how I could mess up the alli ......tonz of power, tonz of fun! gotta be careful with level 3.

i wanna take mine off 3 but i cant... its just not an option haha:p:

Anyone know if they came up with a longer wiring harness to move the EVO to the overhead compartment yet?

can anybody tell me how accurate the quater mile times are using the Evo

can anybody tell me how accurate the quater mile times are using the Evo


not sure if this helps but the et's go to a tenth of a second, looks acurate, also shows reaction time.

all this talk about adding boost, would it be possible to add low boost fueling option like on the edge with ***... just an idea, thanks

Just pulled the trigger and bought the Evolution. Install was easy but I wish the cable from the port to the module was about twice as long. I thought I had a bad module so I called tech support. After about a 10 minute wait Kenny answered. He asked a few questions one of which was to check the cig lighter fuse. It was blown. Changed the fuse and it has been working flawlessly. I am a very happy Edge customer.

Any word from Buck on the new programs for the Evo...by the way,
my dad has a 2005 Bonneville GXP with the Northstar V8, I spanked him with the Dmax Saturday nite with the Evo set on lvl 2! :D

I know you guys have been waiting patiently, but we are still working on the next update for you. Buck has been creating some much improved tunes and I've been working on making sure there are 4 levels on the Evo (increased from 3). We are working on several other new projects, so it's taking longer than we thought it would. The minute it's out, we'll let you know. We plan on adding more features, but we will do in in a later update so that you at least have the ones that I mentioned. Thanks!
- Jay

:beerchug: I love you Man. :beerchug:

:iamwithst :beerchug: :beerchug: :hug: :hug: :thankyou2

i love edge, and their employees, and customer support, and the updates....and the evolution...:D thanks

I've got the EVO and know doubt I made the right choice with what I have seen of Edge customer service.:)

Edge guys if possible, keep in mind the suggestion to be able to run the Edge without a tune, ie "stock" but change the tire size.

Thanks

i've got the evo and know doubt i made the right choice with what i have seen of edge customer service.:) edge guys if possible, keep in mind the suggestion to be able to run the edge without a tune, ie "stock" but change the tire size. Thanks x2!

Thanks for the heads up on the new update coming out. Also when I update do I need to do all the versions or just the latest one? You guys Rock!!!!

Basically you just update it to the lastest one. You don't have to install all the previous versions.

x3

anything new on how the new updates are coming along? thanks

I know you guys have been waiting patiently, but we are still working on the next update for you. Buck has been creating some much improved tunes and I've been working on making sure there are 4 levels on the Evo (increased from 3). We are working on several other new projects, so it's taking longer than we thought it would. The minute it's out, we'll let you know. We plan on adding more features, but we will do in in a later update so that you at least have the ones that I mentioned. Thanks!
- Jay

:help2: The suspense is killing me!!! Could you give us a little hint about what the leves will be, some of the new features, will custom tunes be carried from one level to another, can we custom tune for speed limiter and tire size while running the stock tune, is boost going to be increased at low rpm's??????

Seriously, thanks for all you are doing. I was worried that I had made a poor decision selling my Predator and buying the EVO but I have got to say that your customer service ROCKS!! I just hopr the suspense doesn't kill me before I get to try the new versions!

Is the lastest version out still 17.11? I hate it that you now have to have the Evo plugged into your PC before the Lightning software will even work.
It takes forever to put the truck back to stock, hook it up to the PC (just to find out there are no new updates) and then reprogram the truck again (waiting for it to save the stock file....). :(
The old Lightning version I could run it and see the versions available w/out the Evo hooked up to the PC.

Maybe they could put a "Latest updates" page on their website which shows the latest versions?

I know you guys have been waiting patiently, but we are still working on the next update for you. Buck has been creating some much improved tunes and I've been working on making sure there are 4 levels on the Evo (increased from 3). We are working on several other new projects, so it's taking longer than we thought it would. The minute it's out, we'll let you know. We plan on adding more features, but we will do in in a later update so that you at least have the ones that I mentioned. Thanks!
- Jay

Did you make mention working on several "new projects?"
Is one of them the release of the A2 for LBZ trucks?
Inquirying wallets want to know..................:grd:

update on how things are coming?

Any word on the new updates?

Edge, Please Don't foget about the tire calibration so my lights and bells stop going off every time I drive. The tire calibration was one of the main reasons I went with the EVO, and Its not working for me with 37's. I can't be the only one!
:banghead:

Yo Edge, where's the update?













Yes I know I'm impatient. :D

And remember to make tire calibration available with the stock tune please.:)

And remember to make tire calibration available with the stock tune please.:)

I wonder if this is going to be the new fourth level.

I just installed mine today and have the TFT set on one of the PIDS. It works fine for the most part but will got to -270 at random then start working again later. Anyone having this problem?

I have another problem. I was about to install my egt probe and noticed that the guy shipped the probe without the fitting or nipple whatever it is called. I know that it should be 1/8" NPT into the manifold and i think the compression nut is 5/16" which is an oddball size. So i need a 5/16" compression X 1/8" NPT. Does anyone know where i can get one of these. The closest thing i can find is brass 1/4" compression X 1/8" NPT at the local hardware stores.

I just installed mine today and have the TFT set on one of the PIDS. It works fine for the most part but will got to -270 at random then start working again later. Anyone having this problem?


I have had this happen as well when towing a 30' toy hauler.

I get my best Mpg's on level 3, thought that was weird, considering level 1 is an economy tune and that's where I get my worst Mpg's.....:confuzeld

yes my truck is getting a solid 10mpg in town on lvl 1 driving it like an old lady. lvl 1 seems to be stronger than level 2. lvl 3 makes lots of power but shifts like crap with the defueling.

DIC is wrong. Hand calculate and you will find a different answer. That black stuff coming out the tailpipe is unburnt fuel. I can't get Level 3 to get better than Level 1. Level 2 and 1 are close but with the latest updates Level 1 seems to be the best. Make sure you have updated to the latest tunes. The original Level 1 did not get better mileage.

DIC is wrong. Hand calculate and you will find a different answer. That black stuff coming out the tailpipe is unburnt fuel. I can't get Level 3 to get better than Level 1. Level 2 and 1 are close but with the latest updates Level 1 seems to be the best. Make sure you have updated to the latest tunes. The original Level 1 did not get better mileage.


I updated sat. i think it was the 1/29 update, so I'll see if level 1 is better. all my milage is hand calc, but the dic is only off by a hair...meaning less than a tenth..ie 14.85/HC vs. 14.9/DIC. those were my last #'s on 3 with about 60/40 city/hwy(includes one burnout and a poor attempt at one):D .

That is hand calculated, i traded in an 05 truck for this one and that DIC was wayyy off belive it or not this one isn't too far off but i still hand calculate.

On the "original" programs the best setting for MPG was level 3, but you had to keep your foot out of it and deal with the crappy shifting. With the new updates supposedly level 1 is the best but nobody has confirmed that yet. I am scraded to update as that is when people are saying problems start to occur and I really do not want to "lose" any power. Those of you that have the newest updates, what does level 3 feel like now powerwise and shifting??? Thanks for any input...

ive got mine updated on level 3, the shifting is actaully pretty good, i tihnk better than level 2.

I liked the new level 3 so much it is still on it. Shifts are great and the power is great but I noticed "0" yes ZERO smoke. The old 3 would blow a good puff when nailed just as a lil show of a tuner but the new 3 has 0,none,nada, but it did lower the egt's. Tried to return the smoke to a dodge with a bullydog and zip, but I did get a truck length on him from 40 to 90. Switching to level 1 today to try the mpg. Gauges for towing and added power...I couldn't ask for more for what I paid.

thats odd mine smokes pretty good in level 3.

Which update are you guys discussing? I connected my evo to the pc last friday and got the latest one at that time. Has their been another one added since?

Did they add the boost to the evolution?

Did they add the boost to the evolution?

Not yet AFAIK, that update has not been released yet.

I updated mine from the first to the last and was soooo impressed that I'd like to throw it out the window...What happened to the horsepower !!!! And that was on lvl 3 , wouldn't begin to smoke the duals..

Depends on your driving style with DIC. I just tried Level 3 again today and you are right. It does seem closer. Also, the tune is much weaker than before. I didn't think they changed it. My DIC used to be 20 litres off per tank when towing on level 3. I ran empty today and it was reading 20 US mpg on the highway and it used to read about 28mpg so something has changed.

I know about the smoke. I was pretty disappointed when I loaded level 3. It used to smoke like a banshee and hauled ass. Now it is just mild. It will be easier on my tranny now. I am sure I can slip it with old Level 3 and it starts shifting really funny.

Cant's you guys just load up the old one again, if you did not like the new one?

Cant's you guys just load up the old one again, if you did not like the new one?
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Yup! did it at lunch and she is a smoke a holic again. Definately a big diff. Really notice the diff in shifting. The old 3 had way more SOTP power feel but the new update has smooth shifting and "me no smokey" :confuzeld

Just called Edge , they deny any less power and say no level 4..So what gives....They're starting to resemble Bank's with all this trickery and gossip

I'm getting the best fuel economy on level 2 of the "released" version (17.1, I think). I had the latest updates installed for about two weeks and tried levels 2 & 3. Fuel mileage was down 1-1.5 mpg on both when compared to the original lvl 2. I guess that is where I will keep it until the rumored new tunes come out.

i just ordered the evo, im not concerned right now if i gain 2-3mph, i just hope this unit gives me little more power to feel without my truck doing anything wierd from the edge evo. ill post how it runs in a couple days. will install friday. edge products have been patient and helpful with all my questions, thats why i went with there product.

I call Bull**** on the power thing. Level 3 used to have a lot of smoke and now none. And it ran way hotter.

jest got my evolution installed and on level 2 passed a car on the highway and the EGT went to 1180? (not towing anything) what is to hot? sounds hot to me. truck stock other then the evo. no way i can tow with this .i tow race car trailer 28 foot inclosed with a 3250 lb car in it . i think im going to try level 1 (i dont no) i might jest call edge . any help out there?

1180? thats fine. my buddy uses his evo when towing and it stays around 1300-1350. you race, your going to get up to 1180, but thats fine. do a search here on egt temps and you'll see whats normal. oh, im stock also with evo on level 2 , ive not towed yet.

1180 is fine, if u run ur truck on the stock tune ull find out that it will get that hot stock. ive found on level 2 i couldnt get it hot enough to worry about anything but i could on level 3.

Just watch the 1350 temps. That is getting up there. I think a constance temp of more then five minutes at 1400 deg f is the breaking point.

I pull a 38' 5th wheel toy hauler in stock and see 1300-1350 consistently. When running level 3, I peak at about that temp, but only when i'm on the pedal, usually crusing at about 1050-1150. I figure if it's running that hot while towing, it can't be all that bad running it in level 3 (but what do i know). Had I not installed the evolution (or an egt gauge) i never would have known what temp i was running at.

I just read through all 24 pages of this post.. wow, what a read. To all of you running this unit, what is the verdict,, lets just say that edge never puts out those updates that they were talking about, still good? I pull a 37' 5er, so I would like a little extra power, and some better fuel mileage empty too.

Kevin

If you stayed away from the newest badest :( tunes,you wood gain and appreciate the extra power....Don't expect much if any fuel mileage change with any tune thats available so far...overall I like the concept of the Evo buutttt,quite honestly,I'm looking for something better

If you stayed away from the newest badest :( tunes,you wood gain and appreciate the extra power....Don't expect much if any fuel mileage change with any tune thats available so far...overall I like the concept of the Evo buutttt,quite honestly,I'm looking for something better you cannot get better. you can buy a tuner with different horsepowers & options, but does not make it better. i like my evo, i dont see how it can get better. im on level 2, got a ton of xtra power, the transmission shifts normal, truck sounds the same. evo is exactly what i wanted.

I am still looking for that perfect tune. On my LB7 with the quadzilla set on a 70hp tune it was perfect for towing real heavy and I used the 110hp setting for everything else and the 135 when I was completely empty and wanted some fun. I still haven't found the evo fits the bill like my quad. The quad would consistently get 2-3 mpg better towing or not. The evo still doesn't improve my mileage, maybe 0.5mpg better and the power is too hot and the latest tunes aren't quite as hot but the throttle response is gone too. I am just waiting to see if when they add boost it gets better otherwise I will probably keep it (as it is still a great gauge) and go for EFI Live. I am really looking for something that improves my fuel economy when towing and empty. The extra power is just nice for less shifting and bragging rights with my buddies.

Did you run a pyro with the quad unit? If so how was the egt's? This is one of the things that appeal to me about the evo, is the built in guages, I am running the juice/ attitude on my dodge and have allways liked that unit, but it is expensive and if the evo can do what it is supposed to do then it would be much better for what I am looking for

Kevin

Have Edge was working on updates from us. Haven't seen anything from them in quit some time. Wondering when they are going to have new updates? Anyone how any info on them?

Knock Knock ,,,Hello edge ,,,,is anyone HOME !!!

my evo jest stopped reading egts . has any one had this , it reads 0 all the time. i have had this on my truck for two weeks on level 2 would like to try 3 . but i need to get the egts working any help?

my evo jest stopped reading egts . has any one had this , it reads 0 all the time. i have had this on my truck for two weeks on level 2 would like to try 3 . but i need to get the egts working any help?

Happen to me after having it 4 mo. Called Edge and they sent me new cable. Put it on and corrected problem. I think they have been having problems with pyro. This is the second one I have had to replace.

mine did the same, i pulled it out, wiggled the connection to the back of the evo as well as connection down below and it's working again. may have to order a new cable, the wiggle technique seems to be working fine for now :D

x2 on the cable wiggle. Make me think it's the programmer unit and not the cable.

ok guys on the updates i have got 3 of the 4 levels done but im waiting to on the firmware engineer to finish the update for the 4 levels that you will be able to update. Im sorry we have been overwhelmed with the 07 chevy gas truck programmer. We are tring to realease in may. So please bare with me and Jay we will come back to it asap i promise im just as axious as you guys are to get those 4 levels on the evolution as a update. But we cant touch it untill our gas is in production.

Hey Buck,

Did you guys start the beta on the older gas motors yet? I sent Rob a list of guys awhile, but no one heard back yet? I know you guys were going to start with the older ones & then switched to the new one first. Please let me know thanks.

we will be doing LMM then going to older gas trucks. Is the plan





Hey Buck,

Did you guys start the beta on the older gas motors yet? I sent Rob a list of guys awhile, but no one heard back yet? I know you guys were going to start with the older ones & then switched to the new one first. Please let me know thanks.

thanks for the reply...Now I have to remember where I threw the thing out the window !! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the power back