Am buying the Juice Module today for 2004.5 duramax LLY. Any suggestions as to what settings to run this on when first plugging it in (Normal and Tow mode settings) and for how long to run it at the lower settings before increasing it (allowing the engine to get used to it).?


Thanks

I'm interested also. I ordered mine yesterday and still have less than 1000 miles on my truck. I'm going to probably wait until around 3000 miles to install it but it would be nice to know what the initial setup should be. It almost seems that there are so many options that it is a little complicated to the newbie diesel owner.





-lee-

You should base stepping up power to the next level based on when the trany gets used to the power. Once all the shifts(up shifts and down shifts and all the diffeernt throttle positions) are nice and crisp and there arnt lotsa ugly flares you can bump it up, its said that 6 or so shifts of the same parameters(gear, load, throttle positio) will get it trained. Seems that going from stock to the first level is the biggest hurdle.


You could skip all the "training" and set the ally to fast learn via a tech 2 or a snapon scanner or the like and all the gradual uping of the power wouldnt really be needed, just set her to kill and be done with it(well, consesus is up to 90 added hp is safe on an lb7 more than that is playing with fire in regards to the ally, I dont know on a lly) A local member may be willing to set you to fast learn or pay a shop a bit of $ to do it. I think I paid a shop 25$ to set mine after I did the SCIII install and before I got my scanner. I've heard you can get a quad tuner to set it to fast learn but no body can really confirm this(well beside quad saying it will or people reading the box saying it will)

dont run above level 3 if you have stock trannies, and you should be ok - can probably try level 4 or 5, just be carefull. Also play around with the low boost to see what feels and performs the best. Defueling option will probably want to be defuel all locked shifts to save the tranny. The best thing to do is put in level 3 to start with and run around to get it used to it, i know others have diff opinions possibly but you will than likely want to run it in level 3 so might as well go there and get the truck used to it right off the bat

Oh......Set it to defule on all shifts! set the low boost fueling were ever you like(for smoke and response) I think I put my juice on at 5k. Id wait till i had a few thousand miles on her but the engin dosnt really get used to the power or need to. its an ally thing......


I personaly have the attitude showing trany slip(actually its just showing the converter slip) water temp, EGT and boost psi

Sounds like the thing to do is to set it at 1, defueling, run it for a week, then step it up 1 setting per week to be safe? The Juice/Attitude will both be installed tomorrow so, knowing very little about the Edge on this new truck, I'll have to tell the installer where to set the various settings. Also still cannot figure out the best place to mount it to allow "quick removal" if needed at chevy (without looking crappy inside as well)..





ALL OF THESE RESPONSES MORE THAN APPRECIATED.

I went straight to 3 (stacked with TTS Tow), and ran it on 3 for awhile.


Now I'm stacked with TTS Tow and Level 5 Edge/attitude, minimum smoke, defuel all. Except when I need smoke.

McRat, "stacked with TTS tow?"

Other than the pyro the install is pretty easy. I made a little bracket that mounts on my steering colom and is all held on with velcro tape fer easy yanking. or the trippen mount or the ats mount........the supplied bracket is about as cheesy as it getshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


Edit: just read your post. stacking is a no no IMO with a stock allison


Steve cole/tts is a chip programer. he is running 2 programs at once basicly. Makes mo powerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gifEdited by: ratlover

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Sounds like the thing to do is to set it at 1, defueling, run it for a week, then step it up 1 setting per week to be safe? The Juice/Attitude will both be installed tomorrow so, knowing very little about the Edge on this new truck, I'll have to tell the installer where to set the various settings. Also still cannot figure out the best place to mount it to allow "quick removal" if needed at chevy (without looking crappy inside as well).."





GO STRAIGHT TO LEVEL 3 - the truck will learn faster !


Edited by: tbone1227

I agree with Tbone about level 3 to start .http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Straight to level 3 it is then....again, thanks.

so do you set up the defuel option for all levels or do you have to set it up on each level individually?


As far as the tranny "learning" what to do with the edge.....how does it act when it is doing this? Does it just shift a little hard or what?


Also what about the low boost level setting? I saw it mentioned above but haven't seen anyone mention what exactly it should be set at?


Also what numbers do I need to be wary of in regards to boost, egt, and transmission slippage?


Sorry for all the questions but I just want to make sure that I don't damage the engine/transmission in this truck.


-lee-

You want to see 0 slipage when the converter is locked up, with it unlocked you will see quite a bit of slipage. a blip to .6 is ok, its a normal thing.


dont worry about boost


I set my egt back down to 1250, I would say 1250 sustained isnt good. but if you are going to run the 1/4 take off the egt back down and dont look at the gauge, lots have ran with a 1800* pyro pegged for most of the 1/4.


As the trany is learning it will most likely shift a bit soft or have flairs when shifting.


Set the low fuel boosting for how ever you want, lower number means less smoke when you mash it but it will also not be as responsive.


You set up things like egt back down and low boost fueling and defule for shifts once and you can bounce around between levels and they will remain the same.


If you have an lb7 dont go over 90hp, otherwise you are playing with fire IMO in regards to the stock ally, you may or may not "get burned"


Welcom BTWhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif And ask away, we rather say try this then say, yep your F-ed time for a new X. A search may yield some answers and some good reading though.Edited by: ratlover

ratlover....


Thanks for all the information! My motor is an LLY motor. I've read quite a bit about the juice and other things(like almost every post for the last 3 months) but didn't see the particular things that I was asking. I just received a confirmation that I should receive it next Thursday so with that being said I'll try to get it installed next friday.


If I can get it all installed with the exception of the egt probe would it hurt it to run on level 1 or 2 for the weekend and then install it a couple of days later???? Thanks again!





-lee-

Based on what I'm seeing, you could flog it all day long on 1 and 2 and not see 1250. If you are going to tow with it, maybe, but probably not just driving around. I do usually let off around 60 though, so if you are on the hammer up to the governor, you might hit it. I wouldn't fret too much about it. If you get it Thursday, I'll bet you'll have it in that night easily. The juice takes less than a minute to install, really.


The probe install is pretty easy. I used an 11/32 drill vice the 5/16 just because when I put the butt end of the 5/16 bit up to the head end of the tap, it didn't seem like the tap would do any cutting for a while. Haven't had any problems yet with it like that.


Dennis

"If I can get it all installed with the exception of the egt probe would it hurt it to run on level 1 or 2 for the weekend and then install it a couple of days later???? Thanks again!" - QUOTE


you shouldn't have any problems in level 3 with or without the probe, have fun !! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Edited by: tbone1227

You will see quite a diffrence even in level 1. I set mine to defuel on all shifts. The low boost defuel I set at 3 but it carried on and knocked and didn't perform smoothly at low speed so I set it back to the lowest setting. But I am not a gear head and NOT looking for all out performance. You will have to play with it to see what settings you like. As far as EGT I think it is defaulted to defuel at 1350 so don't worry to much. You will probably never see that except in the highest settings or if you tow a trailer. When you get your attitude hooked up with the Pyro you will get a better read on whats going on. JUST DRIVE IT AND ENJOY!

It will take you 30 minutes max to install it the first time without EGT. After that, 5 minutes.


To do the EGT probe is the difficult part, but once you pull the whole fender liner out, it's actually very easy. 2 hrs tops.


When the trans "learns" it's going to shift like it's epileptic.

Whats the best way for the Allison to learn? Stop and go traffic? (lots of shifting required)

I would just drive it normal and it will learn as it needs......if you want to speed things up and get her "trained" the quickest way is to set it to fast learn, second fastest is to take it out to the outskirts of town and perform 6 or so runs through the gears at low throttle meduim 3/4 and full. Then do the same for TH(although I am pretty sure TH gets 1/2 ass trained while you are doing the rest) The do some down shifts, cruise in 5th gear then lay into her a couple times to get the downshift trained and like wise on down the line. FYI the 5-4 downshift will alsways suck, dont be concerened it will get better but never great IMO, even with the SCIII I dont like it, you will get used to how to apply the throttle for getting on the highway and such so you get max acceleration, just wooding yields crap

I would just drive it normal and it will learn as it needs......if you want to speed things up and get her "trained" the quickest way is to set it to fast learn, second fastest is to take it out to the outskirts of town and perform 6 or so runs through the gears at low throttle meduim 3/4 and full. Then do the same for TH(although I am pretty sure TH gets 1/2 ass trained while you are doing the rest) The do some down shifts, cruise in 5th gear then lay into her a couple times to get the downshift trained and like wise on down the line. FYI the 5-4 downshift will alsways suck, dont be concerened it will get better but never great IMO, even with the SCIII I dont like it, you will get used to how to apply the throttle for getting on the highway and such so you get max acceleration, just wooding yields crap

Thanks for all the help rat. Had it installed today. Low boost at 3, normal at 3, and defuel all. Have 55 miles on it since the install (30 highway, balance street). Will push it around up to 200 miles mixed driving and then WHAM. Must admit is it VERY difficult not to punch this thing while allowing the ally to learn... It did however smoke 3 times on the occasions that I just could not help myself. Wonder if I should drop the boost setting back....Again thanks. Next step will be airbox (guy reccommends A and E?) and exhaust (MB?).
thanks!

you can do the wot "training" anytime. Hammer awayhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


low boost fueling is all personal preference

I drove the truck all day yesterday running errands etc. at diffrent engine temps and conditions. No knock. I could not get the knock in any Juice setting. Seems to be intermittant.

Sorry wrong post