Is getting closer to releasing an allison that will hold what some maniacs here have for power!


Good news... no added clutch fibers, or add on electronics. Will provide more impressions soon


As for details, same as before. Call DTT and ask Shanti or Bill Kondolay.


Bill's reputation for the Dodge tranny is hard earned and well documented. I expect a full blown release soon for people interested in their product. If you have had a Dodge with a DTT trans, you know what Bill can do with a 47-48 rh/re


As usual i can't say much other thanhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


www.dieseltrans.com (http://www.dieseltrans.com)


1-866-504-4002

So it uses all stock clutches and the same nuber of em?


He definatly has the dodge boys down, dont think he would put out a crappy product and ruin his rep. Kinda late to the game though but better late than never I guess, besideds it probably took the dodge guy a few years to relize the duramax aint to bad of a motorhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

So I am assuming this will be all in house work only??

So it uses all stock clutches and the same nuber of em?


He definatly has the dodge boys down, dont think he would put out a crappy product and ruin his rep. Kinda late to the game though but better late than never I guess, besideds it probably took the dodge guy a few years to relize the duramax aint to bad of a motorhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif








Not 1 extra fiber! Hard to believe when everyone else is adding more frictions. But, Bill is quite adamant about one thing, and that is not to release his tranny until he believes it is the best it can be. Sometimes that means waiting for things (even as a beta tester ya gotta wait sometimes) but it is nice from the standpoint that Bill does the assembly with me, explains what we are changing and why. It has been a bit slow in coming, but it will be right. As we test more components we are testing them individually and then with the assembly, to eliminate any variables on what does and does not help in shifting or trans performance. No use buying something that is not needed right?

So I am assuming this will be all in house work only??





DTT has installers (Trained by Bill Kondolay) in the USA.


IIRC on the forum part of his site they list who and where their Transmissions Specialists/Dealer network are located.


So rest assured, when available you can get them anywhere. If you phone in you can ask Shanti where the nearest Authorized DTT dealer is located

Wont they have to be re-trained on the Allison though, its a little different than the ol 47/48re.

So its using all OEM clutches? Interesting. Although with enough line pressure its been shown that the stock clutches will take more than most people think is possible(early ats shows this I believe)


But people still were burning up the c1s under heavy boost launches even with 350 psi or what ever it is IIRC?


Not doubting becuase even if I had a clue what was in his transmissions I still dont have a clue about what should or shouldnt be there. The only thing i know is that I dont know chithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


I'm just curious as hell and trying to learnhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

OEM.........same sq inch.......no frick'n way. Get more info on this, please.

spoke with them yesterday , They said they replace the Drums when I asked about the clutch paks. They also increase line pressure. Said they were testing last part this weekend. There goal is to handle 700RWH with a stock converter . They will be selling a single disk converter as well. Then dealers will be trained. Also working on a twin turbo, ready Sept. 17.

700 with a stock converter!? How the heck are they planning on doing this!? Drums!? what drums are they replacing? this on an ally righthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Edited by: ratlover

I'm not sure what drums are either. I spoke with Stephen and it is his Duramax this tranny is in. He said they were going to the track this weekend to try it out one last time. The number is 1-866-504-4002 if someone wanted to ask questions so you could tell me if this is a good thing or not.

Drums are what the clutches go in.


Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

I just feel wierd calling a dude and having him spend time talking with me explaining his product if i have no intentions of buying it but this one has seriously got me interested. This second hand partial info(no offense to any of you guys) is just enough to confuse and get me thinking WTF???

Wont they have to be re-trained on the Allison though, its a little different than the ol 47/48re.


Quite different, i am sure Bill has already thought of that.

OEM.........same sq inch.......no frick'n way. Get more info on this, please.





Use more pressure.


Pascal's law

spoke with them yesterday , They said they replace the Drums when I asked about the clutch paks. They also increase line pressure. Said they were testing last part this weekend. There goal is to handle 700RWH with a stock converter . They will be selling a single disk converter as well. Then dealers will be trained. Also working on a twin turbo, ready Sept. 17.


Yup, my factory convertor was fine at over 500 RWHP


RATM i am running the 'towing' convertor in my truck.


SINGLE disc and working well.

I do not buy into this at all. There is only one drum in the Ally; it contains C1 and C2. This drum cannot be made bigger. You can increase piston apply area in C2 ( Duh, we did that long time ago). C1 can be increased with single sided clutches to prevent coning, ( Duh, we did that a long time ago). Pressure increase is a big help to help locking clutch packs better,( you guessed it). Pressure alone will help stock clutches big time, but not what you claim. You need more clutch apply area. As far as your single clutch holding what you claim it will hold; not in your wildest dreams. Have your friend indoctrinate me on his ideas and I will try it, hell I will install it free on our leaders truck ( That be Nick). If it works, you may get a lot of business and I will become a dealer. If it does not, look out. So far, the statements you have made about these mods go against everything I know about the Ally. Time will tell.


mike

Oh O, I'm on Mike L's observation side,F***,I'm gonna get slammed!


Hiding in the corner,in the dark!


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I do not buy into this at all. There is only one drum in the Ally; it contains C1 and C2. This drum cannot be made bigger. You can increase piston apply area in C2 ( Duh, we did that long time ago). C1 can be increased with single sided clutches to prevent coning, ( Duh, we did that a long time ago). Pressure increase is a big help to help locking clutch packs better,( you guessed it). Pressure alone will help stock clutches big time, but not what you claim. You need more clutch apply area. As far as your single clutch holding what you claim it will hold; not in your wildest dreams. Have your friend indoctrinate me on his ideas and I will try it, hell I will install it free on our leaders truck ( That be Nick). If it works, you may get a lot of business and I will become a dealer. If it does not, look out. So far, the statements you have made about these mods go against everything I know about the Ally. Time will tell.


mike





Be darned if i let another person not authorized to look at my tranny do so. When Bill is good and ready i am sure you will be privy to the details.


Why the hostility? Another product is going to make its debut soon and all you can say is that it is not possible?


Reminds me of a similar incident when i broke the news at the edge juice on the dieselpage. Same derisive comments et al. Mackin was quite skeptical in the beginning until more beta units got out to the general population.


If DTT's Ideas were so wrong in their transmissions, lack of support from people would surely cause them to go out of business, but such is not the case.


I'd love to leave you with something to chew on, but a promise is a promise, and i will not betray Bill's trust for the sole purpose of giving you something to chew onhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

while being open minded, and knowing the DTT reputation on the Dodge stuff, I am still baffled how they make the claims they do while retaining essentially stock components. Especially the torque converter... you cant polish a terd.


I may just give them a call, cause I am really really curious on this....

spoke with them yesterday , They said they replace the Drums when I asked about the clutch paks. They also increase line pressure. Said they were testing last part this weekend. There goal is to handle 700RWH with a stock converter . They will be selling a single disk converter as well. Then dealers will be trained. Also working on a twin turbo, ready Sept. 17.


A "stock" converter won't hold 700RWHP unless you make no torque. I've seen stock converters slip at far less than that.. sounds like they will be modifying a stock converter. That i would believe.


Twin turbo's on sept 17? that's less than a month away. I am a bit skeptical.. don't get me wrong i'd love to see a dmax with twins.. but i dunnno..

spoke with them yesterday , They said they replace the Drums when I asked about the clutch paks. They also increase line pressure. Said they were testing last part this weekend. There goal is to handle 700RWH with a stock converter . They will be selling a single disk converter as well. Then dealers will be trained. Also working on a twin turbo, ready Sept. 17.


A "stock" converter won't hold 700RWHP unless you make no torque. I've seen stock converters slip at far less than that.. sounds like they will be modifying a stock converter. That i would believe.


Twin turbo's on sept 17? that's less than a month away. I am a bit skeptical.. don't get me wrong i'd love to see a dmax with twins.. but i dunnno..





I know who is building the twins, known him for a year or so i guess.


I will see it in person when i am down there.... and if nobody is watching maybe snap a pic... unless someone cut's off my honghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





BTW convertor i am running is the 'towing version'


Stock was fine for 40K miles at over 500RWHP/1100RWTQ


Edited by: Got Juice?

Not to ne a flamer here, but here is no way, a stock converter will hold up. Hell, even it the clutch did, the tabs would not do so. I have seen convertes with as little as 5,000 miles on them leaking and warping causing slippages for the tabs.


My father in lay had a TST box on his and was slipping the conveter as well as the tranny cluthes. I will be a hard beliver for this one.

"Father in lay?"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Dynoed/ tested/ no failure.


Now in 100K miles, maybe. Either that or i have one well put together truck.

I won't believe it until I see it or have a diagram/break down of the set-up. I just don't see how it is possible.


If the converter is "rebuilt"....... I still think it will fail. Just ask B&M what they think.


If the turbo setup will be out by the 17th of September........ then get it to Georgia by the 11th. We'll have no mercy and no BS about then.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


The only thing that could save that style of tranny is slow start up. These common rail truck just have too much "instant" low end grunt for something like that to hold......


When will we be prevy to the factual based info?


Thanks. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

the drums is one thing that threw me and how doing anything to it could help much but....also a completely stock converter holding till 700 is something thats throwing me. Aint going to make any kinda gudgement but all these tidbits do have me baffledhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif We shall see I stupose......phone will be a ringing, the suspense is killing mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


Cant polish a turd hehe......there are some guys with dodge tranys that would argue with you about that but for 5k and lotsa hard parts you should be able to polish just about anythinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I won't believe it until I see it or have a diagram/break down of the set-up. I just don't see how it is possible.


If the converter is "rebuilt"....... I still think it will fail. Just ask B&M what they think.


If the turbo setup will be out by the 17th of September........ then get it to Georgia by the 11th. We'll have no mercy and no BS about then.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


The only thing that could save that style of tranny is slow start up. These common rail truck just have too much "instant" low end grunt for something like that to hold......


When will we be prevy to the factual based info?


Thanks. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Convertor is not rebuilt.


You can find out by who if you look for it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Design Schematics on drawings that probably have a patent?


That probably will not happen.

Got Juice ?


You can't hide anything inside the transmission; you can patent parts that would be illegal to reproduce, but you can't hide anything. The most important thing to me is how the company stands behind their warranty. Next is; does it live up to it's claims? This is not a flame at DTT.


mike

So how long is the trans guaranteed to hold 700rwhp for?? I dont buy the stock converter part, but I the trans stuff is possible. I believe Kennedy and Dmaxallitech dynoed his truck and got the converter to slip. This was with Eric's truck with a transgo and a stock converter. My stock converter was slipping like crazy in my truck with added power.

Hey Juice................


If the turbo setup will be out by the 17th of September........ then get it to Georgia by the 11th. We'll have no mercy and no BS about then.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


That's only a week ahead of the "release" date. I would think they have something right now..yes? So, bring it on and let's see the monster in action! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Well, that is if they want to show everyone. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif They an't scare't are they? LOL

Not saying single disk wont hold or you need a 3 disk or anything like that. I think every one is balking at the claim of the factory unmodified converter holding that hp. I'm running a factory converter......its just been tweaked by SChttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


lunch time phone will be a ringing.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Not saying single disk wont hold or you need a 3 disk or anything like that. I think every one is balking at the claim of the factory unmodified converter holding that hp. I'm running a factory converter......its just been tweaked by SChttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


lunch time phone will be a ringing.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Unmodified factory can hold 500


My DTT convertor in current form is single disc. Not reman or rebuilt or ?

Hey Juice................


If the turbo setup will be out by the 17th of September........ then get it to Georgia by the 11th. We'll have no mercy and no BS about then.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


That's only a week ahead of the "release" date. I would think they have something right now..yes? So, bring it on and let's see the monster in action! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Well, that is if they want to show everyone. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif They an't scare't are they? LOL





Twins will be cool!


Have to get some EGT relief and get rid of that black smoke!

my fresh oem converter would slip above 370 hp and 700 ish ft lbs... did it twice so I know its no fluke.. Superflow dyno... Juice on level 4

All except one of the converters I have seen cut in half ( and I have seen plenty) made less than 33% contact with the lid. More pressure will not fix this. You can weld a plate to the lid to take out flex but it won't make anymore contact. You can machine inside of lid for better contact but what will stop the piston from distorting when it slams down on the lid and the outer edges lose contact? I have found 450 rwh to be the limit on a single disc. Nick should be ready for a converter by now; send him one, I will put it in for free. If it works on his truck people will hear about it fast.


mike

All except one of the converters I have seen cut in half ( and I have seen plenty) made less than 33% contact with the lid. More pressure will not fix this. You can weld a plate to the lid to take out flex but it won't make anymore contact. You can machine inside of lid for better contact but what will stop the piston from distorting when it slams down on the lid and the outer edges lose contact? I have found 450 rwh to be the limit on a single disc. Nick should be ready for a converter by now; send him one, I will put it in for free. If it works on his truck people will hear about it fast.


mike





Don't tell me , call the 800 number and talk to Bill. I have the ONE AND ONLY prototype convertor out there and it will be a cold day in He!! before i part with it. Maybe Bill has a spare he would send you. Prepaid of coursehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


So if a single disc is so weak from the HP holding area, why would partial apply/release oil pressure work well dividing that among 3 discs? Explain please. Assuming that both the single disc T/C and the Triple disc T/C are working under the same hydrualic pressures in the transmission there is NO MATHEMATICAL WAY that 3 discs will hold better than a SINGLE DISK!


Point of fact, in those conditions, same trans same pressure 3 disc VS 1 disc i would expect the 3 disc to slip disc#2 internally in the convertor and contaminate the transmission fluid.


Now, i am certainly no expert, but when a trans/pump/convertor is designed to run on apply and release oil in 2 directions what happens to disc#2 in between discs 1&3? does it freewheel at all, or drag between shifts? I must have been sleeping in transmission 001 but OTR trucks with autos run single disc.


Why is 3 discs better than 1? even if you redesign the T/C there is only so much surface area to make contact with.


exert 50lbs clamping force on 1 pencil and try to pull it out ... can't do it.


Exert 50 lbs clamping force on 3 pencils and guess what....you can pull it out/cause 1 to slip.


and we are dealing with clamping forces are we not?


Again, i am not the expert and not flaming, just trying to get you to explain this to meEdited by: Got Juice?

lunch time phone will be a ringing.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Well?


throw us a bone already!

I tried, you wernt homehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif


Take a look over on TDR, there was alot of discussion on single vrs 3. I think a single will hold alot more than people think but not a stocker. JMO People arnt questioning a single, they are questioning a completley stock converter with just more psi slamed to it. But you already said you have his one of a kind so its not a stocker right?


Some factorys may hold 500, not mine, I ran a 90 hp juice for 20k or so and never limped or felt slip and never saw any converter slip. Put the juice to 125 for the last couple weeks before i got my trany kit and I could slip my converter at will. never mind>will disscus with ya laterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: ratlover

I used to slip my converter at around 420RWHP on the street.......It would free rev from 2200 rpm's when she started to let go right up to the rev limiter.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


It was like applying slight pressure on a standard transmission clutch pedal............just enough to slip it...........


I at this point am not flaming anyone, just a real skeptic,


.........heck, if I could just add some pressure with a CO-PILOT and some garage door converter spring to a stock tranny then I would not need a new transmission.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


As far as slipping it the Triple.........I am sitting at 480 RWHP and probably 950-1000+++ LBS of TQ....


WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


So I hope you can make a beleiver out of us...........





Thttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY

I tried, you wernt homehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif


Take a look over on TDR, there was alot of discussion on single vrs 3. I think a single will hold alot more than people think but not a stocker. JMO People arnt questioning a single, they are questioning a completley stock converter with just more psi slamed to it. But you already said you have his one of a kind so its not a stocker right?


Some factorys may hold 500, not mine, I ran a 90 hp juice for 20k or so and never limped or felt slip and never saw any converter slip. Put the juice to 125 for the last couple weeks before i got my trany kit and I could slip my converter at will. never mind>will disscus with ya laterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





I'll be home 6:Pm MTN time.


or the AOL works too!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Why would you call a stock converter a prototype? Sorry I can't send money to DTT; Joe Webb has both my credit cards and won't give um back. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


mike

All except one of the converters I have seen cut in half ( and I have seen plenty) made less than 33% contact with the lid. More pressure will not fix this. You can weld a plate to the lid to take out flex but it won't make anymore contact. You can machine inside of lid for better contact but what will stop the piston from distorting when it slams down on the lid and the outer edges lose contact? I have found 450 rwh to be the limit on a single disc. Nick should be ready for a converter by now; send him one, I will put it in for free. If it works on his truck people will hear about it fast.


mike





Don't tell me , call the 800 number and talk to Bill. I have the ONE AND ONLY prototype convertor out there and it will be a cold day in He!! before i part with it. Maybe Bill has a spare he would send you. Prepaid of coursehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


So if a single disc is so weak from the HP holding area, why would partial apply/release oil pressure work well dividing that among 3 discs? Explain please. Assuming that both the single disc T/C and the Triple disc T/C are working under the same hydrualic pressures in the transmission there is NO MATHEMATICAL WAY that 3 discs will hold better than a SINGLE DISK!


Point of fact, in those conditions, same trans same pressure 3 disc VS 1 disc i would expect the 3 disc to slip disc#2 internally in the convertor and contaminate the transmission fluid.


Now, i am certainly no expert, but when a trans/pump/convertor is designed to run on apply and release oil in 2 directions what happens to disc#2 in between discs 1&3? does it freewheel at all, or drag between shifts? I must have been sleeping in transmission 001 but OTR trucks with autos run single disc.


Why is 3 discs better than 1? even if you redesign the T/C there is only so much surface area to make contact with.


exert 50lbs clamping force on 1 pencil and try to pull it out ... can't do it.


Exert 50 lbs clamping force on 3 pencils and guess what....you can pull it out/cause 1 to slip.


and we are dealing with clamping forces are we not?


Again, i am not the expert and not flaming, just trying to get you to explain this to me


Gee, this is informative. I must apologize for charging for those needless clutches in the Stage III kit. For all those that suck up the smoke blowing down from the north we are making a special kit.It will have (1) C-1 friction, (1) C-2 friction, (1) C-3 friction, (1) C-4 friction, & (1) C-5 friction. Why waste clutch plates when" there is no mathamatical way 3 disc will hold better than one" I can hardly wait for the next "chicken little-The sky is falling" revelation. How can a converter be a "stock-oem" and a protoype at the same time? Maybe the same way "no shift kits" but we installed a TRANSGO for testing.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


Smoop

As far as slipping it the Triple.........I am sitting at 480 RWHP and probably 950-1000+++ LBS of TQ....


WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


So I hope you can make a beleiver out of us...........





Thttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY





Hey Tony, not trying to 'make' a believer on convert out of anyone. We all have different modules, styles of driving use for our trucks etc.


Bill has done the R&D to make the transmission work better; what that entails for now is ???? Drums and???? and???


The reasons for going with DTT are:


Great Reputation in trans building


Great reputation in the dragracing world


Great service.


I have no doubt that Suncoast or ATS makes a Good product, but i have beta tested several products in my vehicle and will continue to do so ... we are all after the same goals.


FWIW the transgo kit is fine up to 450 RWHP with a convertor. However above that my C1's and C2's are TOTALLY COOKED AGAIN!


And i have only been towing with it . No dragracing on it.


And defuel on all shifts. Bill's Convertor is http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif although i have yet to try anyone else's convertor this is sure a improvement over stock!

Got Juice?


If your theory is correct ( I will assume DTT agrees with this) about clamping force, go pull half your lug nuts off your truck and flog it. The surface contact will be the same, and the clamping force will be the same because you torqued them to 145 ft lb. You will only be missing some useless nuts. See, you didn't even have to send me a check for that info. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


mike

Guys,


DTT is testing how much hp we can get a stock converter to hold, with different modifications done to the transmission,it takes a long time to do things in stages. We dont test on our customer base. I see some of you have done this test and that is great. I already have the oem TC holding more than what has been said on this site so far.Making a TC for the durmax is not difficult or even an issue. See testing the holding capacity in all aspects of test conditions takes time. You truly have to put the oem TC through the paces with different version tranny stages to have proper measurable data to compare with once the aftermarket tc goes in. How else can you compare them properly.


Our converters have been run in Dodges that are over 800hp and 1600ft.lbs, the highest being 866hp. As for what is in the transmission, soon very soon. If I could only get more power stuff for my damn LLY I would be rock'n.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I got rid of a 700hp Dodge for this Duramax, and right now I have hp envy, although alot of you guys seem to be making a sh*t load of hp. So for those wondering we aren't gonna be using a stock TC for anything but comparison at different HP levels.

All except one of the converters I have seen cut in half ( and I have seen plenty) made less than 33% contact with the lid. More pressure will not fix this. You can weld a plate to the lid to take out flex but it won't make anymore contact. You can machine inside of lid for better contact but what will stop the piston from distorting when it slams down on the lid and the outer edges lose contact? I have found 450 rwh to be the limit on a single disc. Nick should be ready for a converter by now; send him one, I will put it in for free. If it works on his truck people will hear about it fast.


mike





Don't tell me , call the 800 number and talk to Bill. I have the ONE AND ONLY prototype convertor out there and it will be a cold day in He!! before i part with it. Maybe Bill has a spare he would send you. Prepaid of coursehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


So if a single disc is so weak from the HP holding area, why would partial apply/release oil pressure work well dividing that among 3 discs? Explain please. Assuming that both the single disc T/C and the Triple disc T/C are working under the same hydrualic pressures in the transmission there is NO MATHEMATICAL WAY that 3 discs will hold better than a SINGLE DISK!


Point of fact, in those conditions, same trans same pressure 3 disc VS 1 disc i would expect the 3 disc to slip disc#2 internally in the convertor and contaminate the transmission fluid.


Now, i am certainly no expert, but when a trans/pump/convertor is designed to run on apply and release oil in 2 directions what happens to disc#2 in between discs 1&3? does it freewheel at all, or drag between shifts? I must have been sleeping in transmission 001 but OTR trucks with autos run single disc.


Why is 3 discs better than 1? even if you redesign the T/C there is only so much surface area to make contact with.


exert 50lbs clamping force on 1 pencil and try to pull it out ... can't do it.


Exert 50 lbs clamping force on 3 pencils and guess what....you can pull it out/cause 1 to slip.


and we are dealing with clamping forces are we not?


Again, i am not the expert and not flaming, just trying to get you to explain this to me


Gee, this is informative. I must apologize for charging for those needless clutches in the Stage III kit. For all those that suck up the smoke blowing down from the north we are making a special kit.It will have (1) C-1 friction, (1) C-2 friction, (1) C-3 friction, (1) C-4 friction, & (1) C-5 friction. Why waste clutch plates when" there is no mathamatical way 3 disc will hold better than one" I can hardly wait for the next "chicken little-The sky is falling" revelation. How can a converter be a "stock-oem" and a protoype at the same time? Maybe the same way "no shift kits" but we installed a TRANSGO for testing.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif


Smoop





Smoop, your choking your chicken... stophttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif ;


reread my posts. C

Got Juice?


If your theory is correct ( I will assume DTT agrees with this) about clamping force, go pull half your lug nuts off your truck and flog it. The surface contact will be the same, and the clamping force will be the same because you torqued them to 145 ft lb. You will only be missing some useless nuts. See, you didn't even have to send me a check for that info. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


mike





In which case your lugnuts are exerting a mechanical clamping force between the shoulder of the lug and the hub (wheel in the middle). not applicable in this case (for T/C) as you are exerting a clamp load in 2 directions on the wheel.

Why would you call a stock converter a prototype? Sorry I can't send money to DTT; Joe Webb has both my credit cards and won't give um back. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


mike





Well quit burning clutches then and maybe he will send the C.Cards back to youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Joe do you drink before posting or something, who said they had a proto-type stock converter? I realize that you probably won't understand why we do the trans the way we do it until after we release it. What are you so worried about Joe, you had lots of time with theses guys to strutt your stuff, if you and your stuff are as good as you say you have nothing to worry about .

Juice, This is the part of the conversation where you direct mike to read up on pascal's law.


As for smoop or joe or what ever he is calling himself this week. Just like in the Dodge industry Joe, you will not get away with throwing a shift kit in, machining a pressure plate for $ 10 , and charging stupid amounts of money for it for much longer. Once my dealer training phase is over, within 6 weeks or so it will all be over. See the one thing I have noticed about these Chev guys, they catch on fast. They wont be fooled for long, they just dont have anything to compare it to. As for Juice, hell he is running the same thing everyone is with the exception of the TC, he had to so he could understand see the changes we are putting in next. Only difference is that he knows what is comming and has to go through the process, and for those of you that think that Juice is being a dick and wont talk about it. That is because he cannot. YET ! I wouldnt sell what Juice is running for tranny mods anyway it is the same as what everyone is running , transgo kit, clutches , machined plates , big deal, why would anyone want to pay a ton of money for that unless they were led to believe it would do more than it would . A Shift kit is a shift kit, Make no mistake Joe, I am comming and when I get there you will definately know it. And Joe, I intend to make it very difficult for you to get away with the reverse engineering crap you pulled in the dodge industry. For those of you that may not know who I am, I am the tranny builder they call Bill from Diesel Transmission Technology better known as DTT. I cant speak for everyone but the guys we design & build for actually drive their trucks on the street, race & sled pull with them and also want to tow their trailers with them. They cannot all afford to trailer their play trucks that go fast. They need streetable trucks and that is why we wont release the same as everyone else is , it just wont cut it.

Wow wee!


Transmission threads like these always seem to become heated well over safe levels.I'm asking everyone here to take a deep breath and count to 10 quarts of Synthetic fluid.


Bill it's great you have entered the holding HP game and appreciate the testing and avenue you've chosen ,competition is good.


I'm not looking to stifle your comments but please use caution as to any marketing unless you have interest in becoming a supporting vendor. Unless a Vendor here is a distributer if so I stand corrected ,but I don't believe that to be the case.


I think we're at the point in this one where we are done but I will leave it open for now for questions NO Flames.


Thanks Guys,appreciate the self control!





Edited by: Mackin

Mackin, as soon as your advertising guys get back to me the supporting vedor thing is a non issue. We have already contacted them. As for Bill marketing, he said what we wont do, nothing was said about what we are doing , he even went as far as mentioning that juice cant say much either.

Since the socalled experts are here answer me this. If you use a stock converter for 500+ RWHP with no modifications why did you need to install the Transgo Kit? I helped develop that kit and I've told everyone from day one it was designed for 500 RWHP max so your statement is completely true but then again everyone was told that over a couple years ago. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Also let's assume your not full of it and you have increased the pressure to the converter by changing the relief springs (which is the only way to do it) what happens to the pressure on the end of the crankshaft! It goes up 10 fold so a simple 10 psi increase changes the end loading on the main bearings by over 100 psi............ may make a converter live at the price of a new motor, not what I'm looking for! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif Next what does that same pressure do to the converter itself. Ever here of the term converter ballooning? Look at the big plate welded into the front of every factory converter made, it's called an anti balloon plate! Pressures are limited to the converter for a reason! That might just be the reason Allison put two regulators on the converter pressure feed, set to the same level. Why would they not only use one, let's face it if they were not worried about it they would surely not put the extra one in place. Also, if multi plate converters don't work I guess every Ford Diesel truck must not drive cause they all have them stock and by the way do not ever get on an airplane as the brakes are a multi plate just like a convert but then again they don't work either! Don't forget every clutch pack in the Allison is also multi plate but again they must not work either.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


To have your own ideas is fine but to come and sling the kind of $hit your throwing around is totally wrong. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif Bring out your products and let's see how it does. If it's as good or better than the competition it will not take long for everyone to know about it.

To have your own ideas is fine but to come and sling the kind of $hit your throwing around is totally wrong. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif Bring out your products and let's see how it does. If it's as good or better than the competition it will not take long for everyone to know about it.








Dtech, the only thing i see here is the same crap i have been taking and thrown back. Take another look please before whining.


BTW since the experts long ago determined that i couldn't possibly make close to 500 RWHP and the transgo kit extra clutches et al are supposed to be good for 500 RWHP why is it that my trans was toast within 6 months?


You helped design it you said, so can you explain it to me? In simple terms if you pleasehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


Edited by: Got Juice?

Wow wee!


Transmission threads like these always seem to become heated well over safe levels.I'm asking everyone here to take a deep breath and count to 10 quarts of Synthetic fluid.


Bill it's great you have entered the holding HP game and appreciate the testing and avenue you've chosen ,competition is good.


I'm not looking to stifle your comments but please use caution as to any marketing unless you have interest in becoming a supporting vendor. Unless a Vendor here is a distributer if so I stand corrected ,but I don't believe that to be the case.


I think we're at the point in this one where we are done but I will leave it open for now for questions NO Flames.


Thanks Guys,appreciate the self control!











Mackin, warn us when we reach 250C will ya?

BTW since the experts long ago determined that i couldn't possibly make close to 500 RWHP and the transgo kit extra clutches et al are supposed to be good for 500 RWHP why is it that my trans was toast within 6 months?


You helped design it you said, so can you explain it to me? In simple terms if you pleasehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif








I don't know where you thought the extra clutches come into it from since the Transgo Kit does not add extra clutches. All the design and testing was done with stock Allison clutches! I personally made over 75 1/4 mile passes and towed well over 25,000 lbs combined with just the Transgo kit, Stock Allison clutches and our TTS single plate converter. I cannot count how many hours it spent on the dyno under full load testing. Worked just fine. What you did or didn't do I cannot tell you. Our truck ran low 12's and was in several magazines they all watched it run. It was a 2001 LB7 Standard cab long box with 500 lbs of lead added to the rear to help traction on slicks. It put out 520 RWHP on the dyno. Since I own three dyno's it pretty easy to check outputs here.


There is way to many possibilities of what you could have done wrong to blow your transmission out. Could be as simple as a bad trim solenoid. If that happens it does not allow the proper pressure to the clutch pack and will smoke it in nothing flat if you have your foot in it. That is not the fault of the Transgo Kit as that's a stock Allison part or it could be a piece of junk got into a shift valve again not allowing the clutch pack to engage properly. Someone should have disassembled your transmission and been able to tell you what happened, as it's not all that hard. Didn't you send it back to where ever installed the kit and allow them to see what happened? If you didn't then that's your fault.

BTW since the experts long ago determined that i couldn't possibly make close to 500 RWHP and the transgo kit extra clutches et al are supposed to be good for 500 RWHP why is it that my trans was toast within 6 months?


You helped design it you said, so can you explain it to me? In simple terms if you pleasehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif








I don't know where you thought the extra clutches come into it from since the Transgo Kit does not add extra clutches. All the design and testing was done with stock Allison clutches! I personally made over 75 1/4 mile passes and towed well over 25,000 lbs combined with just the Transgo kit, Stock Allison clutches and our TTS single plate converter. I cannot count how many hours it spent on the dyno under full load testing. Worked just fine. What you did or didn't do I cannot tell you. Our truck ran low 12's and was in several magazines they all watched it run. It was a 2001 LB7 Standard cab long box with 500 lbs of lead added to the rear to help traction on slicks. It put out 520 RWHP on the dyno. Since I own three dyno's it pretty easy to check outputs here.


There is way to many possibilities of what you could have done wrong to blow your transmission out. Could be as simple as a bad trim solenoid. If that happens it does not allow the proper pressure to the clutch pack and will smoke it in nothing flat if you have your foot in it. That is not the fault of the Transgo Kit as that's a stock Allison part or it could be a piece of junk got into a shift valve again not allowing the clutch pack to engage properly. Someone should have disassembled your transmission and been able to tell you what happened, as it's not all that hard. Didn't you send it back to where ever installed the kit and allow them to see what happened? If you didn't then that's your fault.





Yes the the extra clutches were OEM


Yes the shiftkit was properly installed


No the trim solenoids are fine


Why would i call Transgo? It can't hold the power so onwards and upwards to the next evolution.


Every piece of this trans was hot tank clean before any work was done.


Now the 4 wheeler mag you were in i did read... you were in the 12's with it?


Congratshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif 75 passes with it, i'll have to take you at your wordhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif just like you do mine righthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Anyhow , this will be a major departure from current Allison solutions, and i am quite sure these ideas will be a "now why didn't i think of that" affair when the dust settles.


So as far as the ripoff and redesign in regards to the Dodge trannies and what i am running now, where is suncoast's reply?

Mackin, as soon as your advertising guys get back to me the supporting vedor thing is a non issue. We have already contacted them. As for Bill marketing, he said what we wont do, nothing was said about what we are doing , he even went as far as mentioning that juice cant say much either.








Easy Stefan just trying to keep things on a even keel. The Advertisement "guy" is Nick aka Diesel Power owner of the site.


I normally do not discuss this openly I just want individuals to now I'm watching.


No harm.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Dieseltech, Bill said that you should go to www.atra-gear.com (http://www.atra-gear.com) and read up on how pressures inside a converter work, this a battle that was fought over 20 years ago. I read him the rest of your post as he was leaving, he left laughing and said that he would get back to everyone on Monday.

Wow! I had to check the page header to make sure I was at "The Diesel Place" cuz this reads like a TDR transmission thread! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif.


My AAmco rebuilt Allison and converter is better than the sum total of all of yours put together! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Peace Out!

I don't know where you thought the extra clutches come into it from since the Transgo Kit does not add extra clutches. All the design and testing was done with stock Allison clutches! I personally made over 75 1/4 mile passes and towed well over 25,000 lbs combined with just the Transgo kit, Stock Allison clutches and our TTS single plate converter. I cannot count how many hours it spent on the dyno under full load testing. Worked just fine. What you did or didn't do I cannot tell you. Our truck ran low 12's and was in several magazines they all watched it run. It was a 2001 LB7 Standard cab long box with 500 lbs of lead added to the rear to help traction on slicks. It put out 520 RWHP on the dyno. Since I own three dyno's it pretty easy to check outputs here.


There is way to many possibilities of what you could have done wrong to blow your transmission out. Could be as simple as a bad trim solenoid. If that happens it does not allow the proper pressure to the clutch pack and will smoke it in nothing flat if you have your foot in it. That is not the fault of the Transgo Kit as that's a stock Allison part or it could be a piece of junk got into a shift valve again not allowing the clutch pack to engage properly. Someone should have disassembled your transmission and been able to tell you what happened, as it's not all that hard. Didn't you send it back to where ever installed the kit and allow them to see what happened? If you didn't then that's your fault.





Yes the the extra clutches were OEM


Yes the shiftkit was properly installed


No the trim solenoids are fine


Why would i call Transgo? It can't hold the power so onwards and upwards to the next evolution.


Every piece of this trans was hot tank clean before any work was done.


Now the 4 wheeler mag you were in i did read... you were in the 12's with it?


Congratshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif 75 passes with it, i'll have to take you at your wordhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif just like you do mine righthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Anyhow , this will be a major departure from current Allison solutions, and i am quite sure these ideas will be a "now why didn't i think of that" affair when the dust settles.


So as far as the ripoff and redesign in regards to the Dodge trannies and what i am running now, where is suncoast's reply?





So if the transmission was torn down what failed? You would have no reason to call Transgo as they certainly did not install it. Maybe I wasn't clear or you just misunderstood me about the clutches so I will say it again the Transgo kit was designed useing the stock Allison clutches with no extra's installed anywhere. So if someone added extra's I cannot speak to that but the kit was not designed with extra clutches nor was it tested by Transgo or myself with them! I cannot speak to the Dodge transmission issue you have posted about. As far as taking my word I figured 4 Wheel and Offroad, Car Craft and Chevy High Performance all test the truck so that

Dieseltech, Bill said that you should go to www.atra-gear.com (http://www.atra-gear.com) and read up on how pressures inside a converter work, this a battle that was fought over 20 years ago. I read him the rest of your post as he was leaving, he left laughing and said that he would get back to everyone on Monday.


Stefan, I know your Bill's son so why don't you let him answer himself. As far as crankshaft end load from Automatic converters your right it was something that was found over 20 years ago that's why the manufactures limited the pressure in all late model transmissions. I wonder if you've put pressure gauges on the converter and then calculated how many square inches of surface area the converter has to see what the end load truely is..................... I have! If your dad think's it's a joke I am truely sorry for him.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


I would love to read something that might change my mind but your link does not work!Edited by: Diesel Tech

Bill Kondolay


If you need me to read something, please direct it to me and not through someone you gave a free STOCK ( without a Transgo shift kit) transmission upgrade to. This got out of hand because of your flunky that claims to be a transmission expert. Guess it didn't work since you had to come in here to bail the boy out. Put the product out for all to see and we will judge. The product will sell itself. Do not knock other transmission builders and make fun of their tech. They have not done that to you. Why are you so afraid to give me a trans for testing? I can make a phone call to Joe Webb, and I will bet you money Clint at ATS will ship me one of his to test. I think most people in the industry know me and trust me not to fabricate or lie. Bill, make some calls about me and find out. Take the challenge, you might do well.


mike

I'm not flaming you but you and Bill brought up some points I disagree with and I'm wondering since I gave you real world answers You seems to skip the part about multi plate converts not working, how come? I presented some very fair compairsons of where and how mutli plate clutches are in use, event in your secret transmission. So how is it they are good there but not in the converter? How about raiseing the pressure to the converter and the side affects it has, I would like to here the answers yours or Bill's.


It looks like Bill (DTT) and Joe (Suncoast) have problems but please leave me out of them.


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Look at it from another perspective then and ask what you would do.


From working with DTT for appx 9 months they already had their game plan in place. Yes we tried TRANSGO and it failed. I am not bitter about that. Bill had his doubts as well. Unfortunately i was hoping it would be enough, but that is water under the bridge AFAIC


I have had enough SH!T about it from members here about Bill Ripping stuff off etc and have never brought him into this UNTIL NOW!


Enough is enough. I am getting PM's and phonecalls about the trans which is good, and when the final product is ready it will be impressive to say the least, and if you want to know more about it ask Bill, it is his design, not mine, or buy one and tear it down.


I mean geez these guys come here and make 3 posts and they are already warned? Who warns people when they get all pissy with me? Hmmm? nobody and i could care less i can stand on my own 2 feet, and DTT can stand by their products. And i guess you cannot get into a discussion here about trannies when you aren't a supporting vendor..... is this 2 standards or what? They also get accused of marketing? OMG


Perish the thought of offending anyone at suncoast or ATS


Here is their take on MDCC http://www.dieseltrans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=197


Personally, i have no problem with you, but you were directing questions at me to answer that i would not/could not answer.


Bill is the only one right now that has any say so in this tranny and it will remain that way until the juicegrips come off my tongue.


Probably the only reason Bill and Stephan are coming on here is to help answer these questions.


PS i am sure Stephan would like this convertor back... but he is gonna have to wait for a bit... sorry buddy!

Bill Kondolay


If you need me to read something, please direct it to me and not through someone you gave a free STOCK ( without a Transgo shift kit) transmission upgrade to. This got out of hand because of your flunky that claims to be a transmission expert. Guess it didn't work since you had to come in here to bail the boy out. Put the product out for all to see and we will judge. The product will sell itself. Do not knock other transmission builders and make fun of their tech. They have not done that to you. Why are you so afraid to give me a trans for testing? I can make a phone call to Joe Webb, and I will bet you money Clint at ATS will ship me one of his to test. I think most people in the industry know me and trust me not to fabricate or lie. Bill, make some calls about me and find out. Take the challenge, you might do well.


mike





Mike, who's female dog are you?


I pay for all my upgrades and modules, not whine like some ho ho ho without her fix


Bail me out little man? Doubt it


as far as judging you have done that very well, you ever get over yourself? how is the weather on your planet?

Warned,about what?





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

That was the biggest bunch of babble I ever heard. You said nothing Juice. You came here preaching the second coming of Christ for the Allison ( thats what it would take to do what you say it will do) and you fall on your ass, then you bring Bill in here telling me ( through you) to go read a book. About what? You guys don't have a product but yet you brag about it and make big statements. You knock the competition. Why. Tell me when they knocked Bill. So, you have a secret transmission and you don't know whats in it cause you can't remember what Bill told you and you come here to play. Let's get it on .


mike

Warned,about what?





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


I'm not looking to stifle your comments but please use caution as to any marketing unless you have interest in becoming a supporting vendor. Unless a Vendor here is a distributer if so I stand corrected ,but I don't believe that to be the case

Ok !





First off Juice .


You started this thread and are a regular member with no Affiliation other then testing a transmission modification for DTT. That is not a problem.


Once DTT comes on board to support yours and their findings and get FREE DIRECT publicity that is the same as FREE advertising.


Nick has not contacted me and said that DTT is becoming a supporting vendor and can openly promote their products here on The DieselPlace.


So to be FARE to all the other Vendors who develop sell promote and PAY to do this I'm trying to keep things on a even keel.


IMO it would be best if Stephan and Bill reserved or kept comment to a min until they are on board. My comments were just that and that alone. I was hoping to stop the bickering,guess not.


So,Lets not go any further abouut a "warning" as if I'm trying to stifle DTT as I noted ,go back and read.There will be only one winner on this subject.


Me!


Mac http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gifEdited by: Mackin

To the rest .


All of this does not matter till DTT is on board and can openly discuss their products.


So bite your tongues take notes.Some how we will do it in a orderly way or not at all.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





And yes I played mind games with you to get a dam word in ,I'm on friggen dial up this weekend. I guess it worked you all went to bed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif





No pictures this weekend either.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifEdited by: Mackin

To the rest .


All of this does not matter till DTT is on board and can openly discuss their products.


So bite your tongues take notes.Some how we will do it in a orderly way or not at all.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





And yes I played mind games with you to get a dam word in ,I'm on friggen dial up this weekend. I guess it worked you all went to bed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif





No pictures this weekend either.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif





Still up and kickin mac.


Ain't no lightweights here!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

AND THESE ARE "THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

To the rest .


All of this does not matter till DTT is on board and can openly discuss their products.


So bite your tongues take notes.Some how we will do it in a orderly way or not at all.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





Thank you for reopening the thread.


I am sure Bill will answer any questions you might have.

Reverse Engineering? Sorry Bill, I have been building transmissions since before you got out of high school. We were building diesel trans and converters while you were still working for BD. I do not claim to have invented anything but I damn sure have not borrowed any technology from you. If people choose to believe your enuendos, half-truths, and mis-information that you speak that's thier choice. I will let my peers determine my credentials. If you feel the need to tear down others and blow your own horn to establish who you are, that is your problem. I will say that you are extremely adept at generating BS. God help your fellow countrymen if you ever run for public office, you would probably get elected.


Smoop

This goes to everyone posting in this thread (mods aside) - This thread has the chance to be a place for some very useful discussion. so far this whole argument is based on something that to this day doesn't exist in a publicly available market. that being said, please don't start calling eachother names or putting down eachother's products. that doesn't do anybody any good. competition in the market place is good as it can help drive innovation, but arguing through this threads gets NOWHERE!


some good questions have been asked here, and not all have been answered. i would like to see the technical discussion continue and have people leave there attitudes at the door.


Got Juice- Mackin did exactly what he was supposed to here. He is a moderator with 100% of my support and the way we operate the site is not up for debate from anyone. Shoudl you wish to share your opinion with any of the staff, please use the PM feature.


Thank you and please guys- keep it civil. its better for everyone involved, especially people who are trying to learn something!


Nick

Well said Nick. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif





So far, we really have not seen "bad" upgrades for the Allison.... I think we forget that.


And as far as SunCoast (http://www.suncoastconverters.com/gm/index.html) (Joe) building "backward engineered" transmissions....... Why do people buy them? Backwards or not, they work and continue to work day in and day out. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif





Burner------------> http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Got Juice- Mackin did exactly what he was supposed to here. He is a moderator with 100% of my support and the way we operate the site is not up for debate from anyone. Shoudl you wish to share your opinion with any of the staff, please use the PM feature.


Nick





DP, being a Mod myself i can appreciate what Mac had to do and why. I Just had the opportunity to make a point and i did thru pm.


IMHO (I voiced to Mac as well) that the forum might be better served in closing this thread until the final product is released.


Now as far as smoop saying i was 'given free stuff' i have the reciepts for all work if he really wants them. As well as my old transgo box and keychain. BTW if anyone wants the keychain it is 100.00http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif the batteries are another 99.00http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: Got Juice?

Dieseltech, Bill said that you should go to www.atra-gear.com (http://www.atra-gear.com) and read up on how pressures inside a converter work, this a battle that was fought over 20 years ago. I read him the rest of your post as he was leaving, he left laughing and said that he would get back to everyone on Monday.





Link fixed. http://www.atra-gears.com/

I have a receipt for the Queen Mary, you want one? Juice, you started this bs and now you cant finish it. You and your buddy( Bill Kondolay) are pushing something that does not exist. You are questioned on it because you posted it you fool. (kinda like your horsepower #s that you never backed up) You guys choose to put down other companys with machinations. Why did you post this at all? You have nothing to offer at this time except ideas. I am installing proven products in my shop and explane every part and modification I install. How about you? Ask anyone on this board that has talked to me and see if they say different. And you? Wierd things seem to happen in Canada, but when you guys cross the border they seem to stop. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Hmmmm.


mike

I have a receipt for the Queen Mary, you want one? Juice, you started this bs and now you cant finish it. You and your buddy( Bill Kondolay) are pushing something that does not exist. You are questioned on it because you posted it you fool. (kinda like your horsepower #s that you never backed up) You guys choose to put down other companys with machinations. Why did you post this at all? You have nothing to offer at this time except ideas. I am installing proven products in my shop and explane every part and modification I install. How about you? Ask anyone on this board that has talked to me and see if they say different. And you? Wierd things seem to happen in Canada, but when you guys cross the border they seem to stop. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Hmmmm.


mike





It does exist.


I do pay for my upgrades.


And why are you sounding so insecure?


And no i have never reposted any dyno numbers because i believe you are an ignorant self serving infantile egomaniac who's feces smell like roses. I have learned one thing from you mike, and that is you like to 'run the mouth'http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif and if you can't do it, no one canhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


as far as dynoing or testing south of the border, meet me halfway.


this weekend is in Spokane washington @ Diesel thunder. If you care to show up.


When did i put down Suncoast or ATS?


Just leave my country out of it, you are starting to sound like an 'ignorant' american..... ignorant of my country, and ignorant to the fact that there are people here who know how to make power, and know how to use a dyno and yes, even build a transmission.

Oh, and lest i forget, ask Bill the technical specs. I didn't build the darn thing!


Besides that i can always hide behind my NDAhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Oh sh!t!! I think it's really gonna hit the fan nowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Got Juice?


If I were you I wouldn't use the word "ignorant" in close proximity to American. And don't forget to use a capital A. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Got Juice?


If I were you I wouldn't use the word "ignorant" in close proximity to American. And don't forget to use a capital A. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif





ignorant was in singular quotes, and my AMERICAN (Better?) friends seem to have the opinion that it was the right word to use .


American was a typo.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


The bulk of my friends are American, and they seem to like me just fine. They are also watching this thread with veiled humour.Edited by: Got Juice?

Let's see...........


Ignorant; lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified.


Stupid; slow of mind, lacking intelligence or reason.


Well, ya got me on that on that one. I'm not real stupid about these transmissions but I am ignorant as to how DTT is getting that much power through a "stock" tranny...which seems to be an oxymoron. The combination of "stock" an "DTT stock" transmission comes to mind.


It would better if DTT called it a tweeked & built transmission. Something that was inexpensive and not even mention the words "OEM" or "stock". Maybe a "revised Allison 1000" transmission?


Anyhow, when is that release date again? Gott'a see that.......just gotta'.





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