I caught a post about swapping cummins in to GM. I repowered a 95 k 2500 with a 12 valve p7100 pump. We do repowers in our shop, this one was a little challinging. But onto what I wanted to say. I have all the mounts. This includes motor plus trans, also adapter housing, and all the wire adapters at my disposal. If you needs some help our tips I can help. Biggest challenge was the intercooler, and radiator. Just thought I would let you all know.

If my 6.5 blowsup i thought it would be cool to pit a cummins in my chevy. what all do u have to have besides the engine and how much money r we talkin

I just have one question for this thread?


WHY????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif

alright dodge sucks but if u like diesels u cant help but like cummins

alright dodge sucks but if u like diesels u cant help but like cummins


Uh! Gonna have to say no to that....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif


I would rather push my GMC up hill any direction in 100+ temps than drive a dodge... Heck I would drive a F**d and still not think twice about even the possible consideration of a d**ge....SorryEdited by: GMC2500HD

i love my chevy 6.5 td but i gotta face facts it wont run with a cummins that been turned up. Now i might have a chanc with a stock cummins though p.s. did anybody else hear the rumor bout ford puttin cummins in there trucks

Well I am sorry that you feel that you have to compete with a d**ge. I just drive my truck, it gets me from point A to point B with no issues and is smooth. I know I have a Dmax and you have a 6.5, but maybe it is time you moved up to a new nice LLY... And the motor thing is just that, a RUMOR....

yea i want a d-max my uncle has one its got a chip but it will flat out lay u back in ur seat it will do 90 in bout a quarter of a mile

used Dmax's are going for $20,000 here in TX. under 100,000 miles.


6.5's have dropped to $4500-6500, so you can have a small fleet of 6.5's for the price of the one Dmax.

I caught a post about swapping cummins in to GM. I repowered a 95 k 2500 with a 12 valve p7100 pump. We do repowers in our shop, this one was a little challinging. But onto what I wanted to say. I have all the mounts. This includes motor plus trans, also adapter housing, and all the wire adapters at my disposal. If you needs some help our tips I can help. Biggest challenge was the intercooler, and radiator. Just thought I would let you all know.

Post info to get ahold of the shop please.

I just have one question for this thread?


<font size="6">WHY????</font>


People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage others.....

Sound familiar?

Now find someone swapping a 6.5 into a Dodge or a Ford and then ask WHY. I don't think that has ever happened. Some people like the Cummins and like their GM trucks. So they put the two together.


It's not so much competition. I didn't buy mine with competetition in mind... more like simplicity and fun.Edited by: hoot

I work for Rocy Mountain Cummins in Alb. NM. We do all sorts of repowers, Including Semi trucks. To anwser question of why, tourque! I did 2003 ford F350 with a powerstroke last winter. I installed 24 valve second gen R.V. specs. 300hp 680trq. Cost I think was about $13,000.00. I have 12 valve trucks,and would not trade for anything, also have 96 GMC K2500, and would not trade the ride for anything. So I guess its a matter of $. Or pesonal prefrence. Im not puttin down P.S. or Duramax or 6.5, But in my opinion there aint nothin like 12 valve cummins with a p7100 pump, but thats just my opinion.

I just have one question for this thread?



WHY????





People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage others.....

Sound familiar?

Now find someone swapping a 6.5 into a Dodge or a Ford and then ask WHY. I don't think that has ever happened. Some people like the Cummins and like their GM trucks. So they put the two together.


It's not so much competition. I didn't buy mine with competetition in mind... more like simplicity and fun.


Ya my dream must be to be just like you....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif... I have no dream to swap motors, so no, that does not sound familar...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Hoot I think it is nice that you own a d***e now. I am glad you are happy with it. I am just surprised that you went from talking everything about the DMax and Chevy to everything d***e. I am brand loyal because it is what I have always owned and never had the urge to throw away money on anything else, but from the beginning I thought you were brand loyal to. I also noticed that you don't even have anything more about your Chevy in your signature..Edited by: GMC2500HD

gmc2500hd: nobody here is talking about driving a dodge. last time i checked dodge doesn't own cummins. i'm not nocking 6.5's or dmax's, i would love a duramax, but how many of them are in the million mile club? between the companies of cat and cummins you have the best engines in the world. and it is possible to drop a cat in a 80's body style chevy. i have seen it. if my engine goes, and i could find an old 12-valve block, i wouldn't think twice about using it since there isn't anything else wrong with my truck and it would be worth keeping a long time. i am very brand loyal, and i will always by gm.


ford already uses cummins and cats in their f650's and f750's and they are looking at moving the cummins into to their f250 and f350 models. there is also a rumor that this is the last year for dodge using cummins. they are supposed to be on contract with mercedez to use their I-5 cylinder diesel.


ruben i will definately keep this in mind.

not puttin down cummins but duramaxs havn been round long enough to b up past a millon mile and there not bein put in big tractors like cummins. and cummins probably didnt make it a millon mile without havn to b work on more than once!

gmc2500hd: nobody here is talking about driving a dodge. last time i checked dodge doesn't own cummins. i'm not nocking 6.5's or dmax's, i would love a duramax, but how many of them are in the million mile club? between the companies of cat and cummins you have the best engines in the world. and it is possible to drop a cat in a 80's body style chevy. i have seen it. if my engine goes, and i could find an old 12-valve block, i wouldn't think twice about using it since there isn't anything else wrong with my truck and it would be worth keeping a long time. i am very brand loyal, and i will always by gm.


ford already uses cummins and cats in their f650's and f750's and they are looking at moving the cummins into to their f250 and f350 models. there is also a rumor that this is the last year for dodge using cummins. they are supposed to be on contract with mercedez to use their I-5 cylinder diesel.


ruben i will definately keep this in mind.





YADA YADA YADA

and in my oppinon a duramax would out run and out pull a cummins anyday

GMC2500HD,

The guys asks about puttin a Cummins in a Chevy. Give him some decent answers instead of "WHY" or go for a hike. A little joke now and then is fun but your BS isn't.

I don't brag my Dodge up like I did my Dmax. Some of you guys are waiting like vulture.... you in particular.. to slam me for pointing out my likes and dislikes about these trucks. But I don't run around with comments like "WHY". Broker did the EXACT same thing in the Dodge forum. Decent fellow asks an honest question and some ignoramous comes in and basically makes him feel unwelcome.

chevy9465,

Maybe true. If thats what you're looking for. Remember, it's a straight six.... only 5.9 liters.. Cummins did finally bring the power up to a respectable level now. One of the reasons I never considered one before. It's not always about power. Lot's of Cummins owners had 160-180 hp and less engines, chugging away for 300-400,000 miles. As the power levels go up, durability goes down. I don't knock the Dmax. I respect it. I also respect the Cummins.

Here's some more of my OPINIONs on my Dodge...

When I crawl under the front of this truck I am at awe at how simple and easily accessable EVERYTHING is. Does that make it faster and more powerful? No.
If it breaks as often as you all seem to allude to, at least I won't be dealing with a cramped and crossmembered mess like the GM's. I may be keeping this one for a long time... who knows. It looks easy enough to work on.

I took the following pictures laying under the front of the truck... no access panels or cover plates removed..

These two are the front of the Cummins looking up. Access to the A/C compressor, power steering... you can see the computer on the right side of the engine in the second picture.

http://home.comcast.net/~hoot74/dodge/accessable/images/DSCN5942.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~hoot74/dodge/accessable/images/DSCN5944.jpg

This is the connector that leads to the electrically operated fan clutch.

http://home.comcast.net/~hoot74/dodge/accessable/images/DSCN5945.jpg

Show me a picture of the GM radiator drain valve. Here's mine. Straight down and out in the open... Notice the daylight up there... you don't see much of that in a Ford or GM diesel.

http://home.comcast.net/~hoot74/dodge/accessable/images/DSCN5949.jpg

Here's the hole in my airbox... looking up in front of the front plastic wheel well liner...

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Is that a dodge? I think yes because of the front axle.(we were talking swaps)


I've had a little trouble with my 6.5 draincock off the radiator once. Had to pull the whole thing once just to put in a new one.

GMC2500HD,

The guys asks about puttin a Cummins in a Chevy. Give him some decent answers instead of "WHY" or go for a hike. A little joke now and then is fun but your BS isn't.

I don't brag my Dodge up like I did my Dmax. Some of you guys are waiting like vulture.... you in particular.. to slam me for pointing out my likes and dislikes about these trucks. But I don't run around with comments like "WHY". Broker did the EXACT same thing in the Dodge forum. Decent fellow asks an honest question and some ignoramous comes in and basically makes him feel unwelcome.




I did him give him a decent reply. Why would you want to do this. You want a d***e go buy one. No need to disgrace a Chevy like that. For some reason you actually had that idea I care about what you think. I am not slamming you, I am pointing out the obvious. You might not brag up your d***e like you did your DMAX, but (IF) I owned one of those I probably would not talk about it either. I don't care what you drive or whether you like it or not. I do know that since you changed over you are a different person. Not the same one I knew coming in here... Just think about that one.... Have a nice day...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I do know that since you changed over you are a different person. Not the same one I knew coming in here... Just think about that one.... Have a nice day...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Maybe because of people like you.

I do know that since you changed over you are a different person. Not the same one I knew coming in here... Just think about that one.... Have a nice day...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif




Maybe because of people like you.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Listen....................I think I hear The Lone Ranger getting closer.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Broker and his sidekick GMC2500HD. Don't know the difference between funnin and trollin

'Preciate the some more photos, Hoot - it's making my R&amp;D planning a lot easierhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


The cross-over steering and the frame kick-out to clear that humongous radiator is clear in your shotsEdited by: gmctd

Is that a dodge? I think yes because of the front axle.(we were talking swaps)


I've had a little trouble with my 6.5 draincock off the radiator once. Had to pull the whole thing once just to put in a new one.

Draining a 6.5 radiator is like putting buckets under roof leaks at Home Depot. If you can get your hand in there and get it open. Then it runs everywhere except down.

I had two 6.5TD's. Both were very reliable, good trucks. The '97 was a really good running truck. Sold it at 80,000 miles.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/7D9_97sidesmall.jpgEdited by: hoot

Broker and his sidekick GMC2500HD. Don't know the difference between funnin and trollin


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Uh ok......

Hoot,


Could you show some pictures of cummins heads 12v or 24v? Maybe talk a little about the difference in flow characteristics between them and the 6.5 heads. I want to recast my heads and I was thinking you might be able to shed some light on the subjuct.


Evenmore, since you know both systems, you too Ruben, would you care to say what you think is better in design on the cummins.


Truly curious


Do you think the reason GM had it's oriental division design the dmax was to save money or jump a technological hurdle it couldn't at home?Edited by: quantum mechanic

OK, so you dont like dodges, we gather that!! But as Steiner said the cummins is not a dodge engine!!!! I have a 97 6.5 and have yet to have any big problems (knock on wood)but i know if i do im gonna go straight to a cummins!! Yes i like GM's but the cummins just has the name behind it. PS I also work at a chevy dealership!! the cummins is just i think a better motor....and let the bashing begin...hahaha

Hoot,


Could you show some pictures of cummins heads 12v or 24v? Maybe talk a little about the difference in flow characteristics between them and the 6.5 heads. I want to recast my heads and I was thinking you might be able to shed some light on the subjuct.


Evenmore, since you know both systems, you too Ruben, would you care to say what you think is better in design on the cummins.


Truly curious


Do you think the reason GM had it's oriental division design the dmax was to save money or jump a technological hurdle it couldn't at home?

I know nothing about flow characteristics between the Cummins heads and the 6.5 heads. I do know the 6.5 uses ancient pre-chamber design as opposed to modern direct injection of the Dmax, PSD and Cummins. Matter of fact, the Cummins has been direct injected as long as I can remember.

Recasting your head....? you talking about your engine? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

As far as your oriental division question is concerned.. I think is was three fold.

GM was afraid to design another diesel

It was cheaper to get someone else to do what they probably felt was way too risky to do themselves.

Time to market

I'm still baffled with the dmax design as it is. Why they went with a higher rpm engine as opposed to the proven longer stroke slow rpm, long running designs. Guess it's the trend. Soon the Cummins will no longer be what it is today.Edited by: hoot

hoot love ur truck very similar to mine cept mine red, i put a set of cab light on mine a few weeks ago ,i luv them it really sets the truck off

GMC2500HD wrote:


I did him give him a decent reply. Why would you want to do this. You want a d***e go buy one. No need to disgrace a Chevy like that.





again, nobody was talking about buying a dodge. do you know that dodge and cummins are two seperate companies? nobody is disgracing gm here. i dont want to put a dodge motor in my truck, i would like to put a cummins in my truck.

again, nobody was talking about buying a dodge. do you know that dodge and cummins are two seperate companies? nobody is disgracing gm here. i dont want to put a dodge motor in my truck, i would like to put a cummins in my truck.

Fair point

12 valves and 24valves are diffrent animals. The 12 valve is not direct injection. The 24valve is. The 24valve is a much better flowing engine. Better in flow, but it lacks p7100 injection pump. The block and inards are almost identical. almost that is. The 24 valve uses the bosh electronic pump, witch is pron to failure at about 100,000 miles. Also the 12valves 94 to 98.5 are very easy to turn up. If you would like the exact specs I can get them for you.

Share all you want.

Do you think the reason GM had it's oriental division design the dmax was to save money or jump a technological hurdle it couldn't at home?





As far as your oriental division question is concerned.. I think is was three fold.

GM was afraid to design another diesel

It was cheaper to get someone else to do what they probably felt was way too risky to do themselves.

Time to market

I'm still baffled with the dmax design as it is. Why they went with a higher rpm engine as opposed to the proven longer stroke slow rpm, long running designs. Guess it's the trend. Soon the Cummins will no longer be what it is today.


NAW They Just did what the other guys did and made it work.


Dodge=cummins


Ford = International

if only they would have went to cat......

This is the connector that leads to the electrically operated fan clutch.

http://home.comcast.net/~hoot74/dodge/accessable/images/DSCN5945.jpg




Can you get a picture of the clutch? How does it mount to the waterpump? Could it possibly be modified to fit a 6.5?Edited by: whatnot

It's realy tough seeing it from underneath. It's in front of the fan so it's difficult to get a shot.

This picture I pulled the bottom of the plastic shroud away from the radiator and tried to get a shot between it. You see a hard plastic incased wire leading up to the clutch. I'll see if I can get a better shot today.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/D92_DSCN5947.jpg

Here's a few more.. I don't know the details. It could just be a heater.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/74D_DSCN5956.JPG

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/A9Z_DSCN5960.JPGEdited by: hoot

What about the mount? Does it have 4 bolts or some other setup.

12 valves and 24valves are diffrent animals. The 12 valve is not direct injection. The 24valve is. The 24valve is a much better flowing engine. Better in flow, but it lacks p7100 injection pump. The block and inards are almost identical. almost that is. The 24 valve uses the bosh electronic pump, witch is pron to failure at about 100,000 miles. Also the 12valves 94 to 98.5 are very easy to turn up. If you would like the exact specs I can get them for you.





I don't know where you got your info, but FYI all of the Cummins B series mengines are direct injection. I don't know for sure, but I don't think Cummins has any indirect injection engines period.


ps I like my 6.5TD, but if a cummins went in easy enough and my 6.5 had laid down I'd think of swapping.


Carey

What about the mount? Does it have 4 bolts or some other setup.

I can't really see without taking stuff apart.

'got it' vs 'claims it'..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Im sorry for the misinformation. They are both direct inj, But hesd desighn iscompletly diffrent. 24 valve 4 valves per cylinder with we all know, but angle of injection completly difrent. Injectors are of completly diffrent angle. Also many diffrences in block structure.