Who's getting what ???





Suncoast verses ATS ?? These are the major players .... Let it all hang out ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gifEdited by: Mackin

Well I know what you're doin'... which is what i think i'm doin'.....





what is the deal with the ATS controller? sounds like a cool gizmo but how do the others get by without?

Who's getting what ???





Suncoast verses ATS ?? These are the major players .... Let it all hang out ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif well i switched to the suncoast but dont take it to mean that bd trannys wont hold.the problem i had was in the install and getting it setup 100 percent bugg free.i beat the crap out of the bd tranny and it never slipped.the deal with either the bd or the suncoast tranny is haveing someone install it that knows what they are doing.i had a mechanic buddy install mine and we called bd and they told us what to do and how it should feel .problem was we all wernt understanding each other and under or over adjustments were made in error.its a pain to keep taking the tranny pan off trying to reset the pressure ect.....i do like the sun coast very much truck acts like it is 100 percent stock,but for those that are close to a bd install center the bd tranny may be worth taking a look at......jess

Truck is back home with it's new tranny mods. I have been told to put 300 miles on it using my different power settings. Shifts seem to be getting crisper. <font color="red">NO MORE SLIP</font>http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif. King I have a question did your tranny temp increase with the transmission change? Could the fluid increase the temp?
Time for the extreme program http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif
Scott

Suncoast goes in Monday. Should help on the track and pulling. Tranny is slipping pretty bad right now, with the monster boxes on.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gifWill be leaving tomorrow and won't be back to report till Wednesday, if i'm not locked up with BUBBA that is. Later Jeremy

Have an offer for a kit from TTS, which supposedly is the same kit that Suncoast is using, TransGo parts. That may be the way I go. I have installed a ATS III in Mike Tomacs truck and we got the bugs out of it, works good now, nice and firm when you want it, cant tell its there when yo dont..


If I install the TTS kit, I will document everything for an article/post here on DP for all to see

Eric
you have a pm

Truck is back home with it's new tranny mods. I have been told to put 300 miles on it using my different power settings. Shifts seem to be getting crisper. NO MORE SLIPhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif. King I have a question did your tranny temp increase with the transmission change? Could the fluid increase the temp?
Time for the extreme program http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif
Scott the bd did raise temps a bit the suncoast didnt.....jess

Well, Gents my SUNCOAST tranny stuff arrived today !!!!!!!

I'm gitty with excitement ..... I can't wait to get it done ..... I'll be driven around FULL power till it is done, slip sliding http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif ...... Can't wait to be able to use all my enhancements to their full potential ...

You all North Eastern folk best get out of the way ..... I can smell the jealousy in the air .....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif

Congrats
Scott

UNLIMITED MOTORSPORTS better get some heftier chains when Mac arrives ! Will Mac now beat Jesse's numbers with 6 speed ?


Find out at CT DYNO DAY 3

Mac i want to see a pic inside your old trans. Tell suncoast when they get it back to send you pics.

Hey,


Jesse better tune up his Handshaker and check his One clutch http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif.


I will be the one of the first to touch the parts.............tomorrow..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif

Diesel Power - " What is the deal with the ATS controller? sounds like a cool gizmo but how do the others get by without? "

Maybe they don't ???

The "bugs" Eric is refering to with the ATS was a tiny spring we left out of a trim cylinoid (sp?) that caused a harsh shift into reverse. Pulled the pan and put the spring back in and the shift into reverse is smooth as silk. Otherwise there was just a few quirky shifts after clearing the Allison's brain and putting it into fast learn mode so it could learn the shift pressures again.

Mac i want to see a pic inside your old trans. Tell suncoast when they get it back to send you pics.

Here's what Michael Tomac's look like courtesy dmaxalliTech.

http://www.uscom.com/~hoot/cars/duramax/gmc/allison/mtomac_clutches/burnt%20c1,c2.jpg

I dont know what that ATS controller"controls" But it sounds to me like the LED shift mechanism on Allison World Class Trannys, where you can push a button and shift/downshift/or hold the same gear..kinda like a tiptronic....but not, on Internationals...(I call em 13 letter shizit spreaders) on the shift stalk theres buttons for each gear..you hit the button as you want em' or not....Bill

Mac i want to see a pic inside your old trans. Tell suncoast when they get it back to send you pics.

Here's what Michael Tomac's look like courtesy dmaxalliTech.

http://www.uscom.com/~hoot/cars/duramax/gmc/allison/mtomac_clutches/burnt%20c1,c2.jpg

If you could see fresh ones ,you'd have a turtle head pok'in .....

Mac

Hey Mak
You ordered a kit right? If so what all came in the kit.
Maybe snap a pic
Thanks Scott

Hey Mak
You ordered a kit right? If so what all came in the kit.
Maybe snap a pic
Thanks Scott





Sum clutches,sum steels,sum big heavy round ting with a hole in it ,i tink it a tork canverter ,and sum box with lots of lil parts tin it,says Go on it,go where?? .... Sum paper with connect the dots install .....





Nah na nah na I got a SUNCOAST ..........


In do time fellows be patient ....


It's a beautiful day in the neighbor hood ,for holeshots and diesel smoke ,OH !!!





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gifEdited by: Mackin

Hey Mac, who's doing the install for ya? Somebody Suncoast recommended or someone you found that has the know-how?





Josh


Oh yeah....I'm extremely jealous!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gifEdited by: Smitty

I didnt know you could get it in a kit, I only thought they sold compete assemblies. How much?

I didnt know you could get it in a kit, I only thought they sold compete assemblies. How much?

I'm first batter ,did you expect anything different ?? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

Price is irrelavant ,I wanted what I thought would be the best application for me .... If things work out,You'll have to speak to Joe ....
Suncoast (http://www.suncoastconverters.com/)

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif Edited by: Mackin

Hey Mac, who's doing the install for ya? Somebody Suncoast recommended or someone you found that has the know-how?





Josh


Oh yeah....I'm extremely jealous!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif

There is a guy Geerhead (Joe) that I have meet that is going to make it happen with some encouragemant by me here in CT ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gifEdited by: BIG DIPPER

MAC.

Get the camera ready. This will make a great exclusive.

MAC.

Get the camera ready. This will make a great exclusive.

I will ... Trying hard to get it done by the 27th .....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

I have talked to Joe via IM many times, good guy, since you wont make it to MI, he is a good bet.


George A. --Glad to see you here!

i want a new tranny so bad, but it costs so much money. oh well i guess i better start saving.

Mack





im new to posting on here and most other sites but been a dmax owner for 2 years now.... and have read most post on the internet that you and others have made about your D/A's ...what do you think of the suncaost...warranty?...im alot like you i think.... (in the above post you say Price is irrelavant ,I wanted what I thought would be the best application for me .... If things work out,You'll have to speak to Joe ....
Suncoast (http://www.suncoastconverters.com/) )


thats the same way i think for my dmax.... i was wondering what made you think suncaost was better than the ATS stuff? Thanks for the info...

hey pal if your runnin 8.6 8ths you got a darn good tranny yourself,holdin an ats what gives

PPE UPDATE
Tranny is shifting nice and crisp.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif Temperatures have seem to drop back down to normal. Hopefully if everything goes well this week. I plan to go to the track and beat on it this weekend. Jess how did your brother do over the weekend?
Scott

The ats controller adjusts the agressiveness of the shifts and at what boost the agressive shifts come on. With the controller turned on the Allison shifts like it has a shift kit in it and with it off it shifts like stock. The controller also controls an exhaust brake and the converter lockup and unlock. It will lock up sooner in 2nd gear and stay locked until about 10 mph deccelerating (good for exhaust brake use and truck pulling with the converter locked). The controller also gets rid of the top speed limiter.

The ATS tranny is the key to my fast times. Until I see proof otherwise I think ATS is the way to go for pulling, dragracing & towing. For Dragracing you can't afford to lose even a few hundreths of a second with each shift and converter lockup. Those with Suncoast, BD or Transgo/TTS are(will) have trouble matching my times with the same mods on the motor in a similar weight pickup.Edited by: mtomac

nothing gives here just wanted to see what others thought of something they have that i dont its hard for me to make assumtions on what other s got if i know nothing about it ...just simply asking how mackin like the suncoast.....tomac i talked to you in the pits a shieds a little....(besides the point) but are you running the first ats controller clint sent you or do you have a nother one he has completed..hes suposed to be sending me one this week ....(i think) along with an accumulator spring(?) he says this may make some of the shifts alittle smoother....

I've only had one controller, mine is the adjustable one. The earlier ones didn't allow you to adjust the boost the agressive shifts come in at.Edited by: mtomac

Glad I got the 6speed instead of worrying about spending the cash for an allison plus upgrades, the downside, the autos will 99percent of the time be quicker since they maintain boost..oh well.

SmokinMax


You'll have to wait a bit ... Hopefully it can be arranged that my truck will be up on the lift Sunday for some needed medical repair ,has a distinctive limp ... Go figure ...


Took Geerhead out for a "before" ride ... I think he was quite surprised of the ease to slip and find neutral ... I really have to feather the throttle passing on the interstate he can attest to ..


Yeee Haw !!!


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifEdited by: Mackin

Glad I got the 6speed instead of worrying about spending the cash for an allison plus upgrades, the downside, the autos will 99percent of the time be quicker since they maintain boost..oh well.





Your right ,,, But the handshacker gets more power to the ground less drivetrain lose .... Problem is the flywheel has it's limitations also like the Allison tranny and there has yet to be a fix that works ... Soon hopefully for you rowers...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Mackin

tomac


my box has the sub levels as well how do you drive it on the street in the middle on both ? im just trying to find out so mine will shift alittle bit better on highway ....its rough at 5:30 in the morning...





mac keep me posted if you would thanks

What you are probably experiencing is the Juice not giving you power until the motor is warmed up. When my tranny was stock it would shift a little firmer until the juice came on because the tranny had learned that it needed firmer shifts for the extra power when it was there. Other boxes don't have this delay until the engine temp is up and the truck doesn't have the firm shifts when cold. Even with the ATS kit it will do this with the juice because the TCM is expecting the power to be there.

I don't turn the controller on for "daily driving", I just use it for pulling and dragracing (on and off track) where I have it set the most agressive.

im sure its not the juice ive been driving juiced for a 1 year or more i know the power dosent come on untill 190 or so ....i havent triued leaving controller off driving down street with or with out juice the shifts are FIRM ...the down shifts rattling...any ideas...do you have the accumulator spring in your valvue body?

SmokinMax


What down shifts are rattling? I've been running ATS Level 3 for 10K miles already. I run the controller on for daily driving. I know of 3 issues with the ATS upgrade at this time. Clint has been working on them daily. I have not heard about the accumulator spring needing to be removed.

accumulator spring???

I went with the Suncoast because I did not want another box to fool with. My truck is a daily driver &amp; hauler rather than a drag racer or sled puller. The Suncoast will hold up to the level of power that I want, allow me to drag race 3 or 4 times a year and keeps it simple for daily use.


I guess I just don't want another gizmo trying to tell the Allison what to do. The tranny already is adaptive and it knows what needs to happen next with ISS, OSS, Turbine speed, TC lockup, Etc. All you need to do is make the tranny stronger and it will figure out the rest. It's like trying to tell a female (Allison) what to do when it's mind is made up already.....you are gonna get a fight and some weird results. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


My Suncoast has been flawless so far and I love the way it shifts.

no the spring needs to go in my tranny in vaule body is what clint told me at shieds......i leave controler on all the time 24/7..... the hard shifts is still 3rd just like the limping stock ally....the 4th down into third will sometimes bark tires...

SmokinMax


You are talking about the trim solenoid spring. If you keep boost below 8 psi or run full throttle you won't have a harsh shift into 3rd. Have never experienced the 4-3 down shift bark. I have the 2-1 down shift bark.