Is this a good tune for average driving and towing.Is there any upgrades above the 50hp.What is the price and best deal.Thanks

Tune is the only one available for the LLY at the moment. I gather from what all the other readers say, that it is a very nice/repsonsive tune for everyday driving and towing.

Only TTS sells them I believe, so the prices may be static.

http://www.ttspowersystems.com

That tune made 65rwhp on my truck. It's very smooth, very "stock" feeling, until you go up a 6% grade at 7000ft with 17,000lb combined weight without downshifting out of 5th gear. Then you KNOW it's not stock.


I haven't heard anyone who is running it have any complaints at all. On my truck, it rocks!

cid


I sell TTS products.


mike

TTS is BY FAR THE BEST PROGRAM !!!! IMO of course - although i have had the opportunity to try out pretty much everything out for the LLY and without a doubt it will blow them all away with the smoothness and efficiency.. The one thing I have noticed with all other programs is that they dont have it dialed in anywhere close to whats steve does, they arent as smooth, dont shift as good, arent programmed as well, and dont deliver the fuel as well / defuel as well - and the biggest difference is in the turbo - whatever steve does with that part is genius !! all the others dont seem to have that part figured out at all. I run it with full exhaust, no cat, modded intake kit, and egr disconnected and it rocks !! Get it for sure, youll love it - and when the next set of tunes are ready you can upgrade and have even more fun http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

How is the TTS for the LB7? Does it make the engine any noisyer? Call it lack of pilot injection, call it rattle, whatever you call it, is it noisy?

TTS on my LB7 is very smooth and no rattle.

My LB7 tow tune makes 90rwhp, producing more power at lower EGT's than either my Quad or Predator tuner did on lower HP settings. It's a great for all-around driving as well as it doesn't smoke at all.


DougEdited by: DMax_Doug

So Mike L, how much do u sell it for?

Ok.... I am gonna take a beating here but here is my view on this whole TTS tow tune issue. It is WAY over priced. Lets say it is slightly better than the current edge product, it still is not worth the price. To be safe with any warranty issue, one would have to get a second ecm.....which runs the grand total up to $1000.00 dollars without shipping ect.... Not only that but you have no gauges, like what come with the juice/attitude...so tack on another 250 dollars for a pyro and boost and pillar mount...now we are at about $1250 for 65 hp. Before anyone gets too pissed.....I am not saying that the TTS tow tune is not a great product.... it must be because respected guys on this board really like them. My point is I think a juice/attitude is more cost effective right now for us guys who don't have lots of extra cash layin around. On top of that...as you add tranny upgrades you can get 420ish hp out of just the juice attitude if you add something like the suncoast level 3 kit to the tranny. Just a little food for thought...

? what would you rather have - a product that runs smooth, doesnt hiccup and wont hurt your truck ? or something that does the opposite but will save you a few hundred dollars ??

So an edge will run rough, will hiccup and will hurt your truck. Interesting. So far mine has been flawless. I guess I better take it off right away. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif Edited by: Max Power

Mike,

HA! I'll make sure to pick it up from you after I am able to afford the SCIII :)

The price to me is not that big of a deal. Top of the line products usually cost the most.


The problem I am having is the locked ECM. I understand why Steve does it and respect it. I am just unclear of the process you go through for warranty work.


For example, I f I take my truck in for a 27 point inspection and the tech decided to hook up my truck to the computer for a reflash or diag test, what now? I am not sure what he would see?


What if I am having injector troubles and a tech goes to check balance rates and flow rates what now? Will all appear normal?


Maybe no big deal? Maybe had better carry a spare ECM? I really don't know? If I did get a spare ECM, how much does it cost, where do I get it, and how difficult is it to swap?

I've run both the Edge and the TTS, and stacked.


I love the features on the Edge! Excellent value for the money!!!


But...


From an impartial driver (My wife Kat, a very "car-savvy" drag racer), she likes the "feel" of the TTS better. So do I. It's the Cadillac of tunes. The Edge makes power, but it doesn't run as smooth as the OEM tune or the TTS. The TTS tune actually runs a little smoother than stock if anything.


Brief "stacked" video, going out grocery shopping:


http://2fdr.com/mcrat/bigbluebo.wmv


Edited by: McRat

Your link doesn't seem to work.

About the "value" of the TTS:


With the TTS, you are paying for a very low production custom tune by one of the best ECM tuners in the country (if not the best). Low volume, expert advice, is going to cost $$$.


If you came up with a killer mod, would you sell it for less than what others are charging? Don't know what the Edge is selling for retail, but I'm pretty sure it's more money than the TTS Tow.


If you are not a racer, but you want your truck to have less lag, no speed limiter, no downshifting on hills, no loss of mpg, without any downside, I personally guarantee that you will be very happy with the TTS. The Edge? Kinda hit or miss. Some have had zero problems, but others haven't. I still have "bark" and some other minor issues. I like it, and I wish that I had never felt the TTS before buying the Edge. It spoiled me.


I wish the Edge ran like the TTS. The "perfect" tune would be the driveability of the TTS, and the features of the Edge.


This is not to say the Edge is not a great product. It is. This is just a comparison on my truck between the two.

Your link doesn't seem to work.


Need more coffee. Try it now.


It's not very good, Kat stopped filming too early, and I had defuel on. It laid down 100' of rubber.

Is that the amount of smoke it puts out with both programs? Seems like you can hear the turbo pretty good with the kitty gone, Or is that how they all sound? Good takeoff

Edge will most likely improve with time and reflashes.

Is that the amount of smoke it puts out with both programs? Seems like you can hear the turbo pretty good with the kitty gone, Or is that how they all sound? Good takeoff


Earlier in the day, I spun the tires into 4th and had a huge cloud at the intersection.


When the truck was bone stock, it would NOT spin the tires no matter how much I spooled it on dry asphault.


Not sure why there was so little smoke that time. Truck might be camera shy. It smokes ALOT more than that normally. I might not have spooled it enough.


Kitty gone, but through stock muffler.


Edge will most likely improve their tune as all the Duramaxes will probably have the VVT from now on. From what I've heard from other owners, it's smoother than everything except the TTS.

The other thing is the truck has to be around 180 degress before the edge gives full juice. Perhaps you weren't quite warm mcrat? Yesterday I pulled out onto the highway and I had to speed up quickly so another car wouldn't have to slow down. I was into it pretty good but the juice hadn't kicked in. Once it hit 181 it was an instant surge of power.


The old LB7's with edge used to kick in around 142 or 144 degress.

The price to me is not that big of a deal. Top of the line products usually cost the most.


The problem I am having is the locked ECM. I understand why Steve does it and respect it. I am just unclear of the process you go through for warranty work.


For example, I f I take my truck in for a 27 point inspection and the tech decided to hook up my truck to the computer for a reflash or diag test, what now? I am not sure what he would see?


What if I am having injector troubles and a tech goes to check balance rates and flow rates what now? Will all appear normal?


Maybe no big deal? Maybe had better carry a spare ECM? I really don't know? If I did get a spare ECM, how much does it cost, where do I get it, and how difficult is it to swap?





With the TTS tune in place everything the Tech can do works just like stock, so balance rates and such are just fine. The only thing the Tech cannot do is reflash the TTS equipped ECM, quite simply the Tech II just will not do it. If your looking for a spare ECM we sell the LB7 units for $300 and the LLY units for $400. Time to swap the ECM's is about 10 minutes on a Hot LB7 and about 5 minutes on a LLY.

O.K. I thought from just reading somewhere else that the LLY will smoke a good cloud more than the LB7's. Like you said you might have not had it spooled up enough.

The other thing is the truck has to be around 180 degress before the edge gives full juice. Perhaps you weren't quite warm mcrat? Yesterday I pulled out onto the highway and I had to speed up quickly so another car wouldn't have to slow down. I was into it pretty good but the juice hadn't kicked in. Once it hit 181 it was an instant surge of power.


The old LB7's with edge used to kick in around 142 or 144 degress.





DOH!!! That could be it!!! It felt like the Juice wasn't on.

So an edge will run rough, will hiccup and will hurt your truck. Interesting. So far mine has been flawless. I guess I better take it off right away. <IMG alt=Wacko src="http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif">

in comparing the 2 - YES !! every truck ive driven in with the edge is rougher than the TTS, and hiccups all over itself, now granted if you learn to drive it like it wants to be driven you can get around those, but I want to be able to drive and do whatever and not have issues with it. And why would the edge put my tranny ( suncoast stage 3 ) into some type of limp mode ??? that was level 5, edge only !! Everyone is going to have there opinions, but IMO i want it to drive like stock but faster - and there is no comparison between the 2 in that department !! And for towing comparisons, edge in level 2 or 3 does not even come close to the TTS in all around performance, which is how i like to gauge things - ALL AROUND PERFORMANCE !! Not it does this good and that bad, that to me is crap !! But again this is just MHO only and my observations

How is the TTS for the LB7? Does it make the engine any noisyer? Call it lack of pilot injection, call it rattle, whatever you callit, is it noisy?


No rattle on the Lb7.. i've tried 90% of the LB7 programs and the 120 is my favorite daily driver, the extreme my favorite favorite..

I have the LLY Edge, when I first put it on, it seemed really smooth, but I wasn't into it WOT. Seems like off the line it is pretty smooth, but if I roll into it hard cruising at slower speeds, the tranny hasn't figured it out yet, a little rough shifting. Not bad, just a little rough. I think it will clear up once the tranny learns a little more. SWMBO doesn't even notice, but says "seems faster."


I swear the edge kicks in at 150 (by it's digital readout). I thought it kicked in higher, but I did a little test. I set up the 4 way display with one on engine temp. Then every 10 degrees as the truck was warming up, I jumped on the throttle. 130, nothing, 140 nothing, 150 big puff of smoke (low boost fueling on 5).


Man, I just realized this thread is titled TTS tow tune. I guess that all this doesn't apply to TTS, but if it is any better than the EDGE, it is AWESOME! There, see how I turned that back to relate to the thread!?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Dennis

Oh, I also forgot to mention that the trucks gauges are way different than the Attitudes. Edge Engine Temp reads 150 when truck reads a shade under 190, EGT reads about 25-75 degrees higher than the Autometer Ultra-Lite. Haven't looked at anything else, since I haven't hooked up the Autometer Boost (1/8 line too short for where I wanted to mount it, but now I've got a 100' spool coming, anybody want some?).


Dennis

Hey dennis IC that you got yourself a Mini Cooper from your sig. My wife wants one. Do you like it?


Ben http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

baimpala. It seems to gradually add more power. at 150 it is adding more power then stock but at 190 there was a big kick for me. (might have been 180 my memory sucks). My LB7 box did the same thing. It had to be completely up to operating temperature for full effect.

Ben,


Like it? That's like asking "Do you like sex?" I LOVE IT. That thing is WAY more fun than the truck, but I just can't claim that it's mine (I am a man after all). I put a borla exhaust, K&N intake, supercharger pulley, slotted/cross drilled rotors, and air horns on it (so far). It SCREAMS for a little thing. It will easily take the truck with EDGE (on lvl 1) and exhaust. 0-60 is a shade over 6, and it pulls strong up to 130 (I gave up after that), probably do 145-150 no problem. Corners like a bat, stock [think GO-KART fun], and turn on a dime, with change. I'm 6'2", and I don't even have the seat all the way back with plenty of room, but it is really low, so I have to 'swing out' to get out of it easily, no biggie for the fun factor. I grin from ear to ear when I get out of it a lot more than the DMAX. It's the MOST fun car I've ever driven. Anything else I can say to convince you? Don't bother with the regular Mini, just get the 'S' and have a ball!


Max Power,


I hadn't thought about that, I didn't really notice it that much but I am only on level 1 right now, so probably not as much to notice, but it did seem to get 'smokier' as the truck warmed up more. I'll see it when I get up to level 3 though I'm sure. Feels pretty good now, but I'll check it out the next time I drive it from cold iron.


Thanks,
Dennis


D*mnit, you guys are trying to get me to Hijack this thread again, aren't you! I can't shift the Mini as smooth as a TTS tow tune equipped DMAX. THERE, you can't get me! See, I was able to skillfully bring it back to topic.

Thanks alot for the swing back into this topic Dennis.


Oh and by the way thanks for the info on the Mini as well.


Ben http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

My point to all this is.....the ecm is locked, if the tech can't reprogram the ecm or there is some other tip off and you didn't buy the extra ecm for an additional 400 bucks, they void the warranty. The edge has lots of hiccups? Better get that sent back to edge cause mine is working just fine...well more than just fine actually. I completely understand paying premium for premium products and if ya have it to spend then spend it. I still think edge is a better value right now...I am happy with it anyway.

Well just wait until diesel tech releases the tts tune in a programmer later. At least, I am hoping he will do this, saw somewhere on here projected time for that was middle september? Probably after he gets his other tunes perfected besides just the tow tune? Feel free to chime in here Steve and make me look either foolish or knowledgeable. I am hoping it will be a normal programmer style loader with options for top speed limiter and everything else. If that's what will happen then I'm gonna wait for it before buying anything else...

McRat,

Do you have any tranny mods done? Think I will be going the same route as you with TTS/Edge.

What levels are you running with the Edge?

"The edge has lots of hiccups? Better get that sent back to edge" - posted by dpower..... I tried, they tell me on one hand they dont have a fix, on another that they arent aware of any, and on another attempt that they are working on them all but dont have a fix !

McRat,

Do you have any tranny mods done? Think I will be going the same route as you with TTS/Edge.

What levels are you running with the Edge?






Trans is stock so far. I'm going to update it soon though.


Putting the Edge on Level 3 (stacked) made the truck run 14.88.


TTS alone ran 15.45, and bone stock 17.6.Edited by: McRat

We are working on the handheld tuner for the LLY but it will most likely not be ready until early November.

Diesel Tech,


About compatibility. Would the handheld work in conjunction with or seperately from your ECM?


Thanks,
Dennis

The "tow tune" will most likely be one of the levels included within the programmer, at that point there will be no need to buy an extra ecm, have yours flashed or programmed by TTS, the programmer will reflash your ecm for you. The programmer will give you the ability to change output levels or go back to stock at anytime.

The TTS tow tune is the best all around mod I have performed to date. Period!

Tbone...can I ask what kind of hiccups your having? Just curious what they are. I haven't experienced any yet but you never know....I would like to have some idea what is goin on with other juice boxes besides mine. As far as a tts programmer....I will be first in line when one comes out.....if you guys are happy with the tts tunes....then I am sure to be too!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

not a problem at all - let me start by saying that i realize that alot of people seem to have success running the edge set up - thats great ! and that for my part i can only make observations/feed back on what ive seen and played with - just want to make sure this isnt being taken the wrong way, im not against edge at all nor do i work for TTS, i just like to state facts and MHO on things that i think people want to hear about - the problem is that for the most part i dont know that i can be as honest as i want to because it seems like it gets taken the wrong way

Alot of people take offense to any negative comments being directed towards edge, so its hard to question it because there is a huge following of edge users. I had to make myself take a chance and go with the six-gun and am interested in the TTS now since I do alot more towing during the "winter" because its desert season, and alot less playing with the truck. I think im gonna have to try out the edge one day to see how it works for me.

The TTS Tow Tune it sounds awesome and I like what all McRat has to say about it http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Does any one know what all of the functions are on it(speed limiter, tire size, etc.... ) http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Question.gif Can you turn it on and off on the fly, and can it be disconnected easily for warranty work and not be detected ? They must be a good unit I haven't ever heard of any used ones for sale any where http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Edited by: BlueCrew 04 D/A SB GMC

Tbone....If people take it the wrong way than thats their problem....I am just interested in finding what works and what doesn't. In the past I have owned products such as boxes and tuners from many many different companies. Some good and some not so good from all companies for all the big three (dodge,ford,and gm). I hear what you are saying...people don't like to hear the truth sometimes...I have been in that situation on chat boards before.

McRat,


How did you get from the 15.45 to the 14.88 in your sig, just remove the cat?


Brian

McRat,


How did you get from the 15.45 to the 14.88 in your sig, just remove the cat?


Brian





Stacked Edge Level 3 on top of the TTS.

Tbone....If people take it the wrong way than thats their problem....I am just interested in finding what works and what doesn't. In the past I have owned products such as boxes and tuners from many many different companies. Some good and some not so good from all companies for all the big three (dodge,ford,and gm). I hear what you are saying...people don't like to hear the truth sometimes...I have been in that situation on chat boards before.

yep, youre dead on, and im glad you see that as well...as for the hiccups i experienced, i can say that the following are some of my my experience with the edge ( im sure i will remember more later ): surging, knocking / rattling noise, turbo not dialed in, turbo bark, spongy feel on throttle, not consistent - wouldnt always perform the same way, not smooth - overall feeling of the power delivery / gas pedal, fishbite, hmmm, i know there were a few more but thats my experience with it, and none of it i liked, like i said before, i want it to run like stock, nice and smooth but with more power which is what the TTS does

my edge 125 hp box made 410 hp and 788 ft lbs of torque on my lb7 recently at the so cal dyno day. seems to work fine, no hicups, fishbites or other..

PPE has loader for the LLY and it works great. My buddy got one from them. I think it was called an Xcelerator. Plus you can go back to stock if you ever want to. It has three power levels too!

Has anyone ever had there TTS throw a code? Like 234 overboost?


I know some of the other downloaders on the market have been knowin to throw codes a time or two.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gifEdited by: Bronco

Bronco,


I've been running the tow tune on my truck since April of 2002 and have never set a code.

same here with the TTS..... I did get a weird code from the edge twice during my tests with it - and i cleared them ( thought i had written it down, but couldnt find it ) it threw my truck into some type of limp mode and i couldnt go over 2k rpm's ?? i pulled over, cleared it, and then it was fine. Not sure what happened though, it was during a WOT run i hit going about 35 at the time

Be very careful guys if you get the TTS tow tunehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Since I have been driving Big Blue, I have been trying to talk my hubby into letting me trade my mini-van in on Big Blue 2http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

A couple of weeks ago I was driving Big Blue with Blue Meanie in tow on the way back from the Track. To think this mini-van thought it was going to pass me on the Freeway ramp..Nothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif…I left it in a cloud of smoke…he he he

Me thinks my hubby is a very bad influence on mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I can't recall anything bad said about the TTS Tow Tune or of any problems with it at all, has anybody ? This is why I'm a little more interested in this than the others. Oh Yaa and the smooth power !!!!!


Is there something new coming from TTS http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


There is! I can't wait!!!!Edited by: BlueCrew 04 D/A SB GMC