Got the word about a week ago, Amsoil has come out with the Torque-Drive transmission fluid for the Allison trans. Cost is 21.41 a gallon when bought in a 2- 10 quart jug case.

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Greg

So does this mean the other stuff you sold me is not the right stuff anymore??

No it does not me that at all Larry. Things improve and get better but it does not mean its wrong.

Greg

Stupid question, but! - What comes in the Alli from the factory?

I'm not sure what it is now. I have heard synthetic but not sure.

Greg

The Alli comes with regular Dextron III from the factory.
It is not synthetic.

Regular dextron stuff.


So is this new stuff to solve the problem some were experienceing with the other amsoil stuff being too slippery making it easier to slip the tranny?

Synthetic lubricants have a lower coefficient of friction. It is a myth that synthetics are slippery and cause slip. The fact is holds better and if the trans was slipping you would see a rise in temperature as well.


Greg

Not saying that it was cuase it was synthetic, just that the formulation that was being used was too slippery from what I have heard. People were saying it was easier to limp and slip the alli with amsoil in it. I think sdaver was experience this as were others.


Dextron is dino and if you stick it in a trany requiring ford ATF you will slip stuff beings its more "slippery" than the ford stuff. Just like sticking ford atf in a trany thats designed for dextron will make it "grippier" Most of the aftermarket "trick shift" and those types of atfs are just ford atf. I agree its not the synthetic part.....its the additive package. From what i have read though i will dissagree that the amsoil stuff holds better than regular dextron or transynd. I dont know about the new amsoil stuff though???


I'm not knocking amsoil in anyway, just curious. I might be interested if I can see that it works well and isnt as expensive as the transynd. I want higher heat protection but wont do extended drain. JMO

ratlover
Yes I have heard some say it would go into limp mode. But I really feel it was a trans problem to begin with. I have countless customers using the universal atf and several pull heavy loads daily and as of yet no complaints. In fact it has been nothing but good. Many say it shifts faster and is more positive, while others comment on temps staying low. Not real sure what to make of.

Greg

Maybe just the guys running some extra power were having issues? There must be a reason amsoil developed a new fluid?


Is it on allisons approved list? Or will it get there?


The cost definatly dont look bad.

I know this is about Amsoil and not Mobil 1.


I ran Mobil one synthetic ATF in my truck for a while. And the transmission temeratures was 30-60* higher and the truck would zing the tranny much easier then with dyno or Transynd. I have never tried the Amsoil ATF synthetic.

now we just need someone to test out some of it! any takers? i'm thinking about it as i've got a good handle on slippage..

Sure would be nice if bad mouthing a product was backed up by a technical paper, article etc. Later! Frank

Well I just ordered some as I've been running the regular amsoil ATF since the first change-out. I will be able to tell if it makes any difference..





Nick

I have no experience with the sythetic trans fluids. You would think that with all the positive experiences on the synthetic oil side that trans fluids would follow suit.


On the other hand I know the factory spec for the Allison and all other GM trannies is Dexron III. Can you argue that it is just spec'd because it is cheaper? Probably, but it is the spec all the same and we know it works in trannies all over the world.


When I got my Suncoast transplant I asked about synthetic fluids. They recommend Dexron III also. If you are really worried about it you can change the fluid on a more aggressive schedule. Some guys change the tranny spin-on filter every other oil change or so for extra insurance.


I have ran my truck for 25,000 hard miles on the stock tranny and 5,000 extra hard miles on the Suncoast.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif The fluid in both units when changed was perfectly clean and sweet smelling. The guts of my stock tranny were still in great shape and had no signs of heat damage. (Except maybe a couple of small Hot Juice induced burns on the clutches http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif)


IMHO Dexron III is just fine and the rest is overblown snake oil. Flame suit on. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

"Synthetic lubricants have a lower coefficient of friction. It is a myth that synthetics are slippery and cause slip"

NOT A MYTH..........PROVEN REALITY
just like hdmax said...just the amsoil slipped the transsynd worked great. I just had to flush it twice per the hoot method to get rid of the amsoil. Hopefully the new version has the proper additives.

Dex III for me to as per joe @suncoastEdited by: sdaver

"Synthetic lubricants have a lower coefficient of friction. It is a myth that synthetics are slippery and cause slip"

NOT A MYTH..........PROVEN REALITY

It did not slip because it was synthetic and more slippery, it slipped because of the additive package used. I would bet that different friction modifiers are being used in the new stuff. But we will find out soon when Nick tries it out.

Greg

Frank
I will scan the stuff I have one it and post it. I might put it in a pdf.

Greg

dave wrote

"Hopefully the new version has the proper additives"

AMS has made some great products over the years, but they also make one of the worst. Everyone in retail trade has a common product, customer service. I've used and known plenty of people who've used there products over the years and never had a problem. That is until I dealt with them directly. The customer service I got from AMS was quite possibly the worst I've ever dealt with. This isn't based off of just one occurrence either, the only time that they were nice at all was when I placed an order, go figure. They'll never get another penny from me. Sorry to vent, but they really peed in my cheerios...





Ox

I never use Amsoil and never will. I recently had a question about the other Amsoil stuff. The ATF that was fine and yet tranny slip was a part of useing it ??? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif How can it be fine and have the wrong additives ? This is the same spin I heard from other Amsoil dealers. One finally admitted to me in private that they had a number of manual trannys that they recommended their ATF fluid be used in spin synchros..oooops ! I never gave them a chance because the only answers I ever got from Amsoil was hey dont worry. WE Will Sue em for you under the MF act. LOL, Yeah right. Sorry to vent But I will NEVER do buisiness from a company whos base line info is "we Will sue them ".

I use Dexron 111 in just about everything in my shop. I have tried the synthetics and believe they will hold extreme heat much better and will lubricate better, but if you properly schedule your fluid changes according to what you do with the vehichle i dont see a need. I do like Mobil 1 in my engines though.

Right now i'm running HOT OJ and i can't slip my tranny no matter how much i try.. been running the regular ams atf since just about the beginning. i will load my predator 60 today, and i can usually slip it with that combo if i really really try..


then i replace the fluid w the new stuff since it showed today.. not sure if i'll notice a differnce since my stock tranny seems to be holding as good as most people's given my power mods..


Nick

Seems some have no transmission problems with hot oj, and others do. I have hot oj, and within two weeks after install the performance I had from day one is not there. I had ran the reg oj for a couple months prior to the hot version. It's like something (oj, transmission) learned it has more power than it likes and backed off a bit. I liked what I had right after the hot oj install, and want it back. I also drained just the transmission and put in transsynd so I have a mix of Dextron and Transsynd. Makes me wonder if the fluid is the problem.

What ever happened to the outcome here Nick???