Okay I have the Edge Juice w/tude and I was wondering if it will damage my Alli if i tow my 5000 lb lawncare trailor with the juice on level 4 or (120). I am kinda new to the diesel (mostly driven cummins that were all stock) and I will have a ton of Q's so please bare with me.


OH yeh I do keep a close watch on my EGT's


Thanks in advance

Do you have a 1-800-hows-mydriving,call my boss sticker on your truck?


If so, watch your EGT's would only be an issue. If not ,probably.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Mackin

60 HP is about as safe or as much HP you want to throw at it towing. Set the Attitude for 1,300 on Level 1 or maybe 2 and forget about it. Make sure you're in T/H mode. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Burner

If I had a 1-800-# I would prolly shut the phone company down with calls from People that i have sootedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif. It is great on level 4 cause it doesnt downshift when i pull the long grades.

The more you push it in higher HP settings the more your susceptible to transmission damage, that "might" occur.





Mac

Mac


Did you say might? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


mike

Man O man.......... I hope you have an extra 3,500 to 6,000 just laying around...... you're gonn'a need it. Even those rebuilt trannies are price'ie. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

I think the miss conception is just because you have it doesn't mean you have to use it. In addition it is well written here that stepping over the "90" platform can or "might" be detrimental to the Allison.


I've towed a car trailer stacked at 500 RWHP quite normal ,lifting only on some grades to keep EGT in check.


Now if someone is driving like a maniac towing a 5K landscape trailer loaded with a Scag or two ,leaf blowers ,weed whackers ,grass clipping barrels, needs to carry plenty of liability insurance.


If he's out beating it ,well ,he should expect issues.


Mac

Mac


I understand, you did mean might. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I have a " live " ninja sword and I could cut a tomato with it . I could also cut a stray thread off your lapel with it ( no harm intended here) but there is very little room for error don't you think? No matter how observant you think you are, you will eventually make a mistake. I would not take a chance with my engine.


mike

Hey Mac, I think he has a "STOCK" transmission. Low RPM seems to be the killer on these OEM Allisons, don't ya think? He has what... stock of 240 + 125 Juice = 365 @ the wheels.....stock. AND, he is pulling a trailer, a 5k trailer up hills. We both know that's just asking for trouble, not 100% but asking. The EDGE works with the backdown... but hey, if it's detecting...it "has been" slipping. After a few "has been" the Trans is slightly dammaged and the power has been reduced.........tap, tap, tap cells...... I'm learning.





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trouble is just around the corner on that setup..i tow with only the TTS tow tune and edge disconnected or on level 0, every once in a while depending on conditions, i might be in level 1 but thats it and i have a suncoast stage 3 - i just dont think you really need more than 60-90 extra hp out of our rigs when towing something heavy - cant be good and could be very dangerous i suppose if something were to go badEdited by: tbone1227

What dangers do you all see in towing Light in level "4" LLY Attitude?





Mac Edited by: Mackin

Better be carefull and keep your eyeballs on you attitude(for egts and slip) IMO yes it can be done but you are really tempting fate. JMO then again I also believe any body that is playing over 90hp should be prepared to go through the trany if they do hurt it. JMO

What dangers do you all see in towing Light in level "4" LLY Attitude?





Mac





Well maybe the word dangerous was a bit harsh - Towing with a stock tranny in level 4 ??? Cant be good, i would think its just about topped out on the power if he wasnt towingEdited by: tbone1227

What are the two essential upgrades to the Allison transmission. And no, clutches are not one of them........ Answer that and you'll know what lay ahead for the, Level 4 Juiced, OEM Allison.


Hey Mac, how hot did your tranny get when the clutches were slipp'n hard, before the SunCoast? Did it ever hit 240 or more?





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i would think the TC will take a beating and be first to go possible, so doing the TC and Shift Kit will make a huge difference, Diesel Power runs that and has no problem holding 450hp

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Ê What are the two essential upgrades to the Allison transmission.Ê And no, clutches are not one of them........Ê Answer that and you'll know what lay ahead for the, Level 4 Juiced,ÊOEM Allison.


Ê Hey Mac, how hot did your tranny get when the clutches were slipp'n hard, before the SunCoast?Ê Did it ever hit 240 or more?


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No.

I have reason to believe clutch packs won't build that kind of thermal heat to spike fluid temps you mention.In other words it will be over (fried clutch pack) prior to a temp rises,been there done that bought gaskets and fluid.

As stated previous I have seen 250 SUMP temps, but that's another story.

What are the standard levels of performance in a LLY Attitude module?

Mac Edited by: Mackin

Mac - ive been trying to get those numbers as well ( edge/attitude hp #'s ) and they seem to be all over the board.... im assuming by some of my readings that its: 0-30-50-70-90-??, but im not positive on that and dont have the #'s for level 5 - any help here would be great, thanks

I think a sane driver will go a long way with trany life.....I just find it hard to be sanehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


You refering to a transgo and a converter though burner?


I have to agree with Mackin....its like the edge backing off, you are already doing damage.


I think Nate dynoed at right at or close to 400 or so with his stage 3 and his beta attitude IIRC. A backing down attitude will put it at less though, havent been following what they are rating em for though, dont think its the 125 though of the lb7?Edited by: ratlover

Now where getting down to it! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Is Level 4 LLY Juice 120? Did he upgrade to HOT? I'd still would like to know but my gut tells me it's 90 and level 5 is 125.


It's unanimous between us all anything over 90 "might" cause damage so wazz the difference in my eyes if your towing light long as your watching EGT's ? You had better consider long term,I would.If your not you have no business even gambling.


I would not suggest Jack Rabbit starts.


I wouldn't suggest WOT roll outs.


I would not suggest WOT 5 th gear runs.


If your doing any of this whiling dragging a trailer ,well I wont go into moral reasoning and responsibilities.


So it's MY opinion that if used with sanity and your gonna upgrade considering your over the suggested HP opinion rating ,why not?





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Edited by: Mackin

Well saidhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Be cautious and be sane and you should be ok.


With 125 juice on my lb7 I could watch it slip in 5th(via attitude) even if I didnt go WOT though. Seems that giving it as much of the go pedal as she would take before it would downshift in 5th(especially going fairly slow like 60 or so) would slip it no problem FYI. I would definatly have the juice displaying slip% but also remember that the attitude aint showing whats happening to your clutch packs, its just showing the slippage of the converter. Its like your EGT's when in doubt, let off the trottle or downshift.

ON my juice box it clearly states that 0=stock and 5=150 hp over


so if you divide 150 by 5 you get 30 and therefore each level is a 30 horse gain over the prev. level 1x30=30 2x30=60 and so on up to 150

The lly juice is available 150hp over stock!? WOW, didnt think they were up there yet on the lillyshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Would be nice if a vendor would chime in and confirm. Or I guess I could go to the source.





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

The box says 60-150hp gains. That is advertising. On the back is says "150 horsepower gains based on Hot Juice module and is race-only upgrade and must be purchased seperately"


There is no hot juice available for the LLY. The LLY is in an LB7 box with an LLY sticker added on the top. The LLY is rated at 120hp over stock in level 5.

Thank You Maximus,I thought very much so, just didn't want to go out on the lamb but it was fun teasing these guys in this thread !





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

The numbers for the (LLY juice/attitude) are 30,50,70,90,120 the torque are 100,120,170,200,240. These are numbers straight from edge. John


on edit, the real difference between the two boxes are the torque numbers. The LLY ali has less room for increasing on the torque side. Edited by: tulsa1718

But you are also starting with 70 ft/lbs more torque to begin with.

Thats the reason for the big difference between the boxes. John

OK, I've read all these posts and I believe the safest bet is for him to put the level 4 juice to his lawnmower, cut his working time in half, and double his money so he can buy mo beera and mods for his truck! JJ is out! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif