: Exhaust brake
JoBadluck 12-29-2006, 12:14 AM I'm expecting to buy an exhaust brake kit for my Dmax. I have a 2500 HD with a 13 000 pnd fifth wheel.
How good are those unit ? Is it really breaking like a jacob brake on a big commercial truck, or just the half ? the quarter ?
Does somebody already used that type of E-Brake before ?
I wan't it for safety reason, specially when going downhill in a long 4-5 km slope without overheating the brake. Do we still need to use the brake often or not at all ?
I would like somebody to tell me couple of advise about those units
Thx all.
Max Power 12-29-2006, 12:23 AM Have you tried it without yet? The tow/haul mode does a pretty good job as is.
It's nothing like a Jacob brake. I don't know how good it is in comparison but I assume it is not nearly as good.
hemisareslow 12-29-2006, 02:20 AM While i doubt it is good as a jake break...i know a guy with one and he loves it...says it does a really good job of slowing him down....then again he tows more than 13k...like tony said...the tranny in tow/haul mode does a pretty good job holding back speed on the down grades
JoBadluck 12-29-2006, 07:12 AM Yes I used tow/haul mode often with my trailer. It helps, but not enough. The engine can't take everything when going down hill. If I let it go in first gear, the engine will rev up to 3000 RPM if I don't apply brake. Then I slow it down to 1200 RPM and let it go again. It will reach 3000 RPM may be 10 sec after. That's fine for a little slope, but for a long one, the risk of overheating the brake exists, cause you always need your brake, even on low gear.
And everywhere I'm going with my RV there's big and long slopes.
BlackMax Canada 12-29-2006, 08:20 AM Check in the Medium Duty (Kodiaks) truck section with the 4500's, most of those guys have exhaust brakes. Not sure if they are stock equipment...but they are more common on those trucks.
The Tow/haul works really well, mine has downshifted on long hills (heavy loads) and hit over 3000rpm...dont worry the D/Max and Allison Transmission are alot smarter than the drivers so they wont kill each other.
habanero 12-29-2006, 09:00 AM ...The Tow/haul works really well, mine has downshifted on long hills (heavy loads) and hit over 3000rpm...dont worry the D/Max and Allison Transmission are alot smarter than the drivers so they wont kill each other.
I find it best in those instances to turn the radio up so I can't hear the engine and make a point not to look at the tach. It's easier on my nerves that way...
vietvet66-67 12-29-2006, 09:09 AM The tac going over 3000 is no problem. As I understand it, the engine de-fuels at aprox. 2950 and the rpm's can go over 4500 when going downhill with no problem. Just my .02
JoBadluck 12-29-2006, 09:18 AM That would a good point to look at also,
It's kind of weird and scary when it downshift twice and rev up to 3000 RPM downhill.
Crank up the volume lol
klutchdust 12-29-2006, 10:27 AM First time mine did it I was quite suprised as well. The tranny does hold back nicely but I was in the 11000 lb range.
BlackSSmoke 12-29-2006, 11:15 AM boyz, lets face the facts....
Allison transmissions rule :)
JoBadluck 12-29-2006, 01:12 PM if the transmission downshifts twice and the engine over-revs, you have two choices:
- Apply the brake enough to decrease the speed
- Or push the fuel throttle half way, it will shift up by the way
blizzardplowman 12-29-2006, 01:43 PM Fifth Wheel is 18K, put the truck in T/H and forget it! Yes it can and will rev to over 3k, heck I've seen 4k, not a issue. As stated above the trans is smarter than we are. Take a minute and go to user CP and fill out your signature, it will help us help you.
Bliz
JoBadluck 12-29-2006, 03:14 PM everything pretty much stock
Dogface1SG 12-29-2006, 05:33 PM the signature helps.
I was going to add if it has the variable turbo, I have been told a "jake brake" is a no no.
I wonder if Brayden is done "BETA'ing" his boost/brake controller for us variable turbo folk
blizzardplowman 12-30-2006, 12:25 AM the signature helps.
I was going to add if it has the variable turbo, I have been told a "jake brake" is a no no.
I wonder if Brayden is done "BETA'ing" his boost/brake controller for us variable turbo folk
Got a Beta in my truck.. Was waiting for a pin, came this week, will finish up install over the weekend and tow on Tuesday or Wednesday..Cant wait.
jimsbcs 12-31-2006, 06:16 PM I'm expecting to buy an exhaust brake kit for my Dmax. I have a 2500 HD with a 13 000 pnd fifth wheel.
How good are those unit ? Is it really breaking like a jacob brake on a big commercial truck, or just the half ? the quarter ?
Does somebody already used that type of E-Brake before ?
I wan't it for safety reason, specially when going downhill in a long 4-5 km slope without overheating the brake. Do we still need to use the brake often or not at all ?
I would like somebody to tell me couple of advise about those units
Thx all.
I've got one. Love it. Not anything like a Jake in big rig, maybe half as good though.
thejdman04 12-31-2006, 08:43 PM the signature helps.
I was going to add if it has the variable turbo, I have been told a "jake brake" is a no no.
I wonder if Brayden is done "BETA'ing" his boost/brake controller for us variable turbo folk
Banks makes one, im sure they woudlnt sell it that company if it want any good or good for the truck. they have an ad in the diesel power magazine says that on their mule vehicle pulling a trailer downgrade of wahtever percent w/no brakes vheicle goes 54 mph down hill. wthe brake goes 34 oor something like that, should work. Anything you can do to help, makes it better safeer go for it. I havent drven these light dutys w/jakes but hate driving straight trucks and semis w/o it.
winter200 01-01-2007, 12:10 AM I have the banks brake. It works verry well. I am like you and just want the control on grades. PM me if you have any specific questions.
BC_DIESEL 01-01-2007, 12:36 AM first and foremost, I'm not trying to sell anything here
I work for PACBRAKE COMPANY. We are the exhaust brake leaders in the industry.
We pride ourselves on quality in craftsmanship on every brake we sell.
We are the only one in the industry who sell the best of the best for the DRUAMAX.
We are the only ones in the industry to cover parts and labor, if anything goes wrong,
We're the only ones in the industry who have been around long enough to prove ourselves to be only OEM. TO Freightliner, HINO, and were longtime OEM for Caterpillar and till they decided to go internal engine brake.
We have proven ourselves be won the top companies for air management in the world.
the only reason I say this is for, you do your homework, realize there have been a lot of problems with the competitors out there. I'm heard of a lot of people complaining about downtime because of the company went with. Be careful. Choose wisely, be smart.
Like you will all say there is in more than of articles to instantiate this information on put here fourth.
Disclaimer. I'm a truck driver for this company. I'm worked for them now for five years. And I'm very proud of for who I work for. We are 100% Canadian company. Located in Port kells, B.C. Canada.
Before any of you buy one, contact the company asked specific questions.
To the performance to the ease of installation, and especially their warranty coverage. Listen How they talk to you and how they push their products, and how comfortable you are talking to them. These will give you ideals on who you're dealing with.
Good luck. If any of you need any of you need any information contact the company directly. Including the one I work for to be more than happy to answer your questions.
Until then, happy new year to you all. Dorian
thejdman04 01-01-2007, 11:41 AM From drivng some fire trucks in the past pacs breaks do a heck of a job. Never had a pac brake on a duramax but they work well on fire trucks, and we did have one issue w/one and they did take care of the parts etc.
subman631 01-01-2007, 12:57 PM I had a BD exhaust brake on my truck and it worked fine. It is also a Canadian company in BC. One word of caution, I would not recommend using the exhaust brake on a slick road, the exhaust brake and the T/H in combo will lock your rear wheels and it can get dicey. The exhaust brake is a great way to warm your truck quickly in cold weather too.
FireMedicJO 01-01-2007, 01:41 PM I'll second the fire truck and Pac Brake post. Works very well.
Also, T/H mode with excess of 10,000 lbs and no probs.
Diesel Dually 01-01-2007, 02:23 PM I have driven Fire Apparatus with Jakes and Pacs...we specifiy Jakes now for a reason. I am not badmouthing Pac...it does what they say it will do...I am just more of a fan of Jake.
A few more points:
Jake does not make a brake for the Duramax.
Jakes installed in new Allison equipped trucks will cause the tranny to downshift as per Allison's requirements...this is a little disturbing when you hear the jake engage and the ally steps down 2 gears...I leave the Jake off now unless I am responding to an alarm, or going downhill.
Just incase anyone missded my first paragraph: Pac makes a fine product. It has been my experience that Jakes product is better for what I am driving @ work, and I would want Jake to deveolp a brake for our rigs.
BC_DIESEL 01-01-2007, 05:14 PM I have driven Fire Apparatus with Jakes and Pacs...we specifiy Jakes now for a reason. I am not badmouthing Pac...it does what they say it will do...I am just more of a fan of Jake.
A few more points:
Jake does not make a brake for the Duramax.
Jakes installed in new Allison equipped trucks will cause the tranny to downshift as per Allison's requirements...this is a little disturbing when you hear the jake engage and the ally steps down 2 gears...I leave the Jake off now unless I am responding to an alarm, or going downhill.
Just incase anyone missded my first paragraph: Pac makes a fine product. It has been my experience that Jakes product is better for what I am driving @ work, and I would want Jake to deveolp a brake for our rigs.
Pacbrake makes one to work with our VGT Turbo's, there are almost finished installing one on my truck. And I do trust them, even though I do work there. I paid over 50 grand for my truck, and only want the best of the best on MY baby.
Towards fire trucks, they do sell to Spartan, in multiple other companies including Freightliner chassis. In more depends on the customer's request to anything. When they're ordering their fire trucks.
Don't hold me on this. But as far as I know they are the only one's who make one for the DRUAMAX WITH THE NEW TURBOS. My knowledge of this was as a six month ago. Most likely some others have come out after copying each other. You know industry moves exact same way for each other:cool: .
Sometimes it's the only way to go to improve to reengineer to save production costs.
JoBadluck 01-01-2007, 06:12 PM Which one of those would be the best ?
- Big Dadd
- Banks
- Pac Brake
- something else?
floriduramax1 01-01-2007, 06:29 PM first and foremost, I'm not trying to sell anything here
I work for PACBRAKE COMPANY. We are the exhaust brake leaders in the industry.
We pride ourselves on quality in craftsmanship on every brake we sell.
We are the only one in the industry who sell the best of the best for the DRUAMAX.
We are the only ones in the industry to cover parts and labor, if anything goes wrong,
We're the only ones in the industry who have been around long enough to prove ourselves to be only OEM. TO Freightliner, HINO, and were longtime OEM for Caterpillar and till they decided to go internal engine brake.
We have proven ourselves be won the top companies for air management in the world.
the only reason I say this is for, you do your homework, realize there have been a lot of problems with the competitors out there. I'm heard of a lot of people complaining about downtime because of the company went with. Be careful. Choose wisely, be smart.
Like you will all say there is in more than of articles to instantiate this information on put here fourth.
Disclaimer. I'm a truck driver for this company. I'm worked for them now for five years. And I'm very proud of for who I work for. We are 100% Canadian company. Located in Port kells, B.C. Canada.
Before any of you buy one, contact the company asked specific questions.
To the performance to the ease of installation, and especially their warranty coverage. Listen How they talk to you and how they push their products, and how comfortable you are talking to them. These will give you ideals on who you're dealing with.
Good luck. If any of you need any of you need any information contact the company directly. Including the one I work for to be more than happy to answer your questions.
Until then, happy new year to you all. Dorian
Most of the class A type RV's we work on with 5.9 and 8.3 Cummins use Pac Brake. The most problems we see is microswitches on the accelerator arm on the older ones, poor quality actuating soelenoids, aux air compressors locking up, and the butterfly "freezing up" I have heard they addressed the problem with freezing up but not sure. They are very effective with the torque converter locked and at higher RPM levels
Diesel Dually 01-01-2007, 09:36 PM I have seen Pac on HME's too...but I was under the impression that it is all relative to the Engine not the chassis manufacturer.
I am a big fan of Pierce's with Detroit 60's and Allisons with Jakes ;). I am not a big fan of Commercial Cab Fire Apparatus ie. Freightliner.
BC_DIESEL 01-01-2007, 09:46 PM Most of the class A type RV's we work on with 5.9 and 8.3 Cummins use Pac Brake. The most problems we see is microswitches on the accelerator arm on the older ones, poor quality actuating soelenoids, aux air compressors locking up, and the butterfly "freezing up" I have heard they addressed the problem with freezing up but not sure. They are very effective with the torque converter locked and at higher RPM levels
Just like much of the industry within itself. It takes time for them to learn how things interact in such a harsh environment. Like Solenoids, which have been upgraded, dramatically from the pre-assessors, and also air compressors, which are always being refined.
Due to them being in such a harsh environment, now the engines even more producing heat than ever. The micro switches, are being phased out even more every day due to them going with electronic due to them, tapping into ECM to read, most failures are done due to improper installation or abuse. Most likely wear and tear, which is not the fault of any company matter who you buy from.!!!
You are correct that you have heard correctly, that they have addressed these problems and are continually working to produce the highest caliber of products. You can get today.
now, even as though I work for Pacbrake company, please understand me that all companies are constantly in proving their products. All them trying to strive to make the best product out there, some sometimes are more behind the others. But all care at the end result, how the customers are happy with their products. The matter who you buy from you be happy with the end result of the unit. It's up to you all to do your homework with some say before ask questions talked to others and their opinions. Contact vendors ask how they're happy with the customer support from the company and their dealings with with the companies they're happy with the ones are not. This will give you better understanding on making a wise decision.
BC_DIESEL 01-01-2007, 09:49 PM I have seen Pac on HME's too...but I was under the impression that it is all relative to the Engine not the chassis manufacturer.
I am a big fan of Pierce's with Detroit 60's and Allisons with Jakes ;). I am not a big fan of Commercial Cab Fire Apparatus ie. Freightliner.
I know what you mean about Freightliner, ( I'm sorry, I can't talk about here you know, because the squirrels might be listening:p: :lol: ) you know my bosses Freightliner, .
BC_DIESEL 01-01-2007, 09:51 PM Which one of those would be the best ?
- Big Dadd
- Banks
- Pac Brake
- something else?
I would love to get insight, but it would be just biased. Do your homework. Call each particular company listed in your list. Ask him to take your questions. A feel who we are more comfortable with.
I know I'm i know i have not been in the industry too long, but who isn't big Dadd.???? I'm not heard of that one before sorry for my ignorance.:p:
DuneMe 01-02-2007, 01:57 AM Which one of those would be the best ?
- Big Dadd
- Banks
- Pac Brake
- something else?
Imler Diesel in Sacramento recommended the BD Exhaust Brake. They are a very reputable shop here in the Sacramento, CA area.
I bought a BD unit used from another member. Haven't got it installed yet.
I have found that if I slow down at the top of a grade, shift down a couple gears (auto tranny) then let it coast my RPM's will climb quite high but, within the dashed area of the tach. . . within specs. So, as long as you gear-down and take your time, you should be fine. An exhaust brake has to help and ease your piece of mind for sure. I'll let you know after I get it installed (if I ever get around to it :o: )
ratlover 01-02-2007, 04:44 PM Why do you prefer jake over pac brake? How does thier function differ? Are all the exhaust brakes the saem and they are just different quality and customer service?
JoBadluck 01-02-2007, 11:10 PM Do those exhaust brake come with a toggle switch to turn it ON and OFF ?
DuneMe 01-03-2007, 03:39 PM Toggle question. . .
Yes, BD does.
I've got a bud with the Banks and his does too
Brayden 01-03-2007, 03:52 PM Mighty strong words there...
How long does it take to install said pac-brake?
Can you revert back to factory after installing a pac-brake?
How much time to install?
How much money to install?
How much retarding horsepower can you generate?
jimsbcs 01-03-2007, 07:16 PM Why do you prefer jake over pac brake? How does thier function differ? Are all the exhaust brakes the saem and they are just different quality and customer service?
Jake brakes are internal engine brakes, does something with ? intake or exhaust valves ? which work more efficiently than the exhaust brake. which is a butterfly valve in the exhaust pipe. All exhaust brakes are not the same, valves either actuate with vacuum pump, air comp, or like mine, electric solenoid, also some have holes drilled in the butterfly valve to keep from to much backpressure on engine at higher RPM's. Which keep them from working at low RPMs, most newer ones have a sensor and will throttle open and shut to control backpressure.
Do a lot of research on all of them before you buy one, I'm happy with mine. But I will not push my choice onto anyone else, make your own.
JoBadluck 01-03-2007, 09:05 PM what kind of sound is that throwing out ?
Is it a big funny rattling or more silent ?
BlackMax Canada 01-03-2007, 09:31 PM Exhaust brakes will not sound at all like the Jakes on big rigs. They will actually make more of a hiss if anything noticable as they are designed to restrict exhaust flow out. The rattle you (and most of us) are probably wanting in an engine brake is done with the Heads, valves, etc.
Mack trucks used to run their own style of engine retarder (not Jake) plus exhaust brake what they called a Stealth. Combined worked real well and on its own the Stealth was used in urban areas to eliminate excess noise from rigs and thier Jakes. So historically, exhaust brakes were designed to operate more quietly.
...I like noise, wish these Dmaxes could come with Jacobs Engine Brake heads
BC_DIESEL 01-05-2007, 01:31 AM Exhaust brakes will not sound at all like the Jakes on big rigs. They will actually make more of a hiss if anything noticable as they are designed to restrict exhaust flow out. The rattle you (and most of us) are probably wanting in an engine brake is done with the Heads, valves, etc.
Mack trucks used to run their own style of engine retarder (not Jake) plus exhaust brake what they called a Stealth. Combined worked real well and on its own the Stealth was used in urban areas to eliminate excess noise from rigs and thier Jakes. So historically, exhaust brakes were designed to operate more quietly.
...I like noise, wish these Dmaxes could come with Jacobs Engine Brake heads
Good day to you all, I will try to help you all by trying to use the best of my knowledge to answer some of the misconceptions and questions which are being answered about exhaust brakes.
First, I don't will ever see an internal or ad on engine brake for our vehicles.
This would be astronomically expensive to develop due to the ever-changing designs within one year of the vehicle being produced.
It would also be very expensive to outfit your truck with this technology.
I have asked many of R&D and designers have felt this and said maybe one day, but it would be very doubt it could be made feasible or profitable to be sold to the general public.
There is a misconception that everyone calls an engine brake the Jake brake.
A Jake brake is a trademark name of Jacobs brakes. Which is a direct competitor to Pacbrake, US gear, bakes, ECT ECT.
These companies have been for many years fighting this misconception in trying to have their name, said in set of a Jake brake.
The easiest way to say this is its slang;)
BC_DIESEL 01-05-2007, 01:36 AM what kind of sound is that throwing out ?
Is it a big funny rattling or more silent ?
The easiest way to announce your question is, by explaining what noises you will hear upon energizing the system and by turning the system off.
First, all systems include a toggle switch to arm the system.
Upon arming the system, you'll take your foot off the accelerator, which will activate the system, in most systems he will most likely not hear the air compressor turn on, which is usually generally located underneath the hood mass by the engine noise.
Most people have heard a swooshing sound. This is the most common sound heard very lightly in the vehicle may be a little more pronounced on the outside.
I heard some that have said with having very large exhaust of bit of a discharge when the systems turned off
This meaning that the system becomes free-flowing in a year of bit of a pop. I don't mean like a pop can being exploded. I I believe that they most likely mean a puff.
This most likely only will occur with very large free-flowing exhaust.
Most likely you will never even hear a sound when the systems turned off.
Exhaust brake's are very economical. Around noise regulations.
Due to the fact they don't make anything that would be most likely knowledgeable on stock applications.
BC_DIESEL 01-05-2007, 01:56 AM Why do you prefer jake over pac brake? How does thier function differ? Are all the exhaust brakes the saem and they are just different quality and customer service?
I am going to try to answer your question in my best ability to state only the facts on why certain ones are better than others.
First, Jacobs breaks have primarily been problematic due to their inferior designs. Meaning that he rarely develop new processes or upgrade their existing designs to better the actual unit itself.
Most companies, see improve their product changing designs of grading parts continuing R&D on the unit itself to make it better and better for the customer. So they will be happy with their product and learning from recalls and warranty.
In my years as seeing this product from this one company. I'm seen very little upgrade in its design.
Now with Pacbrake their design is a constant battle to improve design. Not only by its parts which are used on the unit by developing new systems entirely to change with Times
Most exhaust brakes were used in big applications. Meaning, motor homes, class three vehicles, like dump trucks, school buses, public transportation, etc.
With the ever-changing market to companies redevelop this product to be used on light trucks as ours are.
Not much change for development was done for quite awhile on this product.
Meaning massive design changes.
Pacbrake has come up with a design that allows their exhaust brake to be used in city environment by using conventional mechanical means.
The principles of the exhaust brake are these.
When exhaust brake is engaged the RPMs must be a high to crate a high flow of exhaust, when the Velde of exhaust brake is close, it will crater back pressure, which slows the diesel engine down, as the RPM drops, so does the back pressure, the exhaust rate becomes limited due to the fact it was more designed to be used to higher RPMs to way to counteract this. You will have to downshift to raise the RPMs to keep it up in the sweet zone.
But this is impractical and very inefficient for fuel consumption.
This is due to a fixed or fists orvis, which is calibrated to make sure your engine does not overpressure itself. By allowing the exhaust brake to vent excess pressure over and above its design capabilities.
If you have too much back pressure in your engine, you will float your engine valves. Which will be catastrophic for your engine
There is a company out there who allows the customer to play with their adjustment on their brake. This is very dangerous. Most companies that would be concerned and care about their product and how the customers use it and making sure that the customer is safe and has happy experience with their brake usually fix the break via drilling a pin into the adjustment to permanently set it so they can not be readjusted.
Be very aware there is a reason why these breaks are adjusted and set permanently, if any and adjustment is done to these brakes it will void the warranty of the break itself and also most likely due damage, if over adjusted.
But they said, be cautious of this practice, these brakes are not used to make any horsepower or make any performance gains other than brake.
For many years, this was the only way to use these units to its maximum ability.
Until now. Which Pacbrake has come up with a design, which I might say is the only design out there. That truly regulates the back pressure to utilize the maximum retarding horsepower through the whole entire RPM spectrum.
They are also the only ones who use Exclusive Arcor Nitride exhaust brake coating helps prevent corrosion and maintains lubricity.
All all the competitors use the carbon in the exhaust as a lubricant.
But they are the only ones who goes the extent to make sure their brake, performs as long as you use it to its maximum durability and performance with the added extra at having it treated.
My taste, say I have seen them in person he looked darn good. Dear the only ones which I'm seen well on the vehicle after only a couple weeks to not have rust on.
That's an added benefit to all of us who have stainless steel exhaust.
BC_DIESEL 01-05-2007, 01:57 AM this is correct
Within that self isn't the most important selling feature for all of you who have a VGT turbo.
Brayden 01-05-2007, 04:11 AM Jacobs brand brakes are better on the Detroit engines. If you've ever worked on one you'd understand why everybody hates pac's on the detroits. THEY are an inferior design.
floriduramax1 01-05-2007, 08:27 AM Don't sell Jacobs short! They pioneered engine braking with their exhaust valve braking. There is nothing as efficient in compression braking than this type. Unfortunately we cannot use this on our existing engine design .
We have just taken in on trade a 2002 Fleetwood American Eagle class a motorcoach with a 8.3 Cummins with a Pac brake. Guess what I have on the work order as inoperative? Yep, no exhaust brake operation. I have a pic I shot this morning but it has covers over the turbo and top side of the pipe where the brake is mounted. I dont have time to check it out right now but my first guess is its froze up from not being used. Sorry for the Quality. It is a
little rusty!
When installing after market exhaust brakes it is recommended to be either right on the output of the turbo or as close as possible. This, among other reasons, is why I'm really interested in the Turbo brake.
bigdaddy650r 01-05-2007, 09:31 AM I have a BD that I installed because of my large trailer and the high mountain passes in Colorado that we go over every summer, for me it was an extra safety margin, works great!
tpitt 01-05-2007, 10:21 PM BC Diesel
I've installed 100+ exhaust brakes in my side business. I can buy and install Banks, Pacbrake, u.s. gear, or BD-Powers brake. I've chose BD's brake as in imho is the superior brake. As far as Pacbrake being the only brake for a variable vane turbo that is "hogwash" As far as a pacbrake having the only brake that has variable back pressure that is "hogwash". How bad was the problem with the pacbrakes becoming hung up with a stuck arm on the Dodges?
Maybe you ought to check out the competition. Oh you already have, I believe you have copied some of BD'S designs.
The best brake out there is BD-Powers brake by a wide margin.
By the way I actually installed the first exhuast brake on a 2006 Duramax. I bet way before you ever had one out for it.
Please don't B.S. the other members here.
tpitt
Plinker007 01-08-2007, 07:09 PM Would a GM Wabco PN 4214113090 fit on an 04 lb7?
BC_DIESEL 01-08-2007, 11:17 PM BC Diesel
I've installed 100+ exhaust brakes in my side business. I can buy and install Banks, Pacbrake, u.s. gear, or BD-Powers brake. I've chose BD's brake as in imho is the superior brake. As far as Pacbrake being the only brake for a variable vane turbo that is "hogwash" As far as a pacbrake having the only brake that has variable back pressure that is "hogwash". How bad was the problem with the pacbrakes becoming hung up with a stuck arm on the Dodges?
Maybe you ought to check out the competition. Oh you already have, I believe you have copied some of BD'S designs.
The best brake out there is BD-Powers brake by a wide margin.
By the way I actually installed the first exhuast brake on a 2006 Duramax. I bet way before you ever had one out for it.
Please don't B.S. the other members here.
tpitt
I will try to say this in the most pleasant manner I possibly can, in no way shape or form to the try to B.S anyone on this site.
Nor did I try to run any individual company down.
I asked information of my work to learn to better answer question. And I was given the wrong information. You can understand in human nature. We sometimes misunderstand this must be respected, if one and it's their mistake.
I apologize for misleading anyone in any which way.
But to be honest. PACBRAKE did not copy BD-DIESEL on their design.
You said that you installed quite a few of these, then you would know that both designs are completely different.
I respect your knowledge, and many years that you've been dealing with these products.;)
But please respect me that I'm been around these products for many years myself. I'm seen many in and out's and gone over the years of these designs..
And sometimes myself. I have to match I make mistakes on what I talk about. Not purposely, but by accident. Please except my apologies that a misinformed you or anyone else about this matter.
It was not my intention.
Please don't be upset when I say this,
You could have been a little more lenient on how you question me, I could have got upset on how he responded, but after thinking about it I thought to approach in a different matter.
For that, I respect what you said.
The hope there's no hard feelings and then. :)
Sincerely, Dorian:o:
tpitt 01-09-2007, 10:15 AM B.C. Diesel:
I also apologize, for the way I came off. Next time I'm in B.C. (Probably October) We'll go have lunch on me. Terry
BC_DIESEL 01-10-2007, 01:23 AM B.C. Diesel:
I also apologize, for the way I came off. Next time I'm in B.C. (Probably October) We'll go have lunch on me. Terry
Well, I do not know what to say, once again, the site puts a smile on my face. After lunch while taking out for dinner, to celebrate a new friend's on diesel place. Dorian
Maybe headed out to local track in Mission, it have some fun:) :cool: :D
Please remined me when you are coming up here, so i can make time, work come's first. you know.lol money for diesel Ect.
porterz 01-10-2007, 01:28 AM Ok I pull quite a bit more than 3000 and I love the tow haul.. but have also thought of installing the ehaust brakes.. and guys I am completely proud of you.. a little step each way.. and this site is awesome.. such nice people.. just like being here at home in MO
vacarellab 01-10-2007, 01:37 AM Us gear is by far the best, just my 2 cents
tpitt 01-10-2007, 12:10 PM Well, I do not know what to say, once again, the site puts a smile on my face. After lunch while taking out for dinner, to celebrate a new friend's on diesel place. Dorian
Maybe headed out to local track in Mission, it have some fun:) :cool: :D
Please remined me when you are coming up here, so i can make time, work come's first. you know.lol money for diesel Ect.
Looking forward to meeting you. Mission dragstrip sounds good. Been there a couple of times. Ran my 2002 Duramax there. Didn't do too bad, but needed an upgraded transmission at the time. Possibly be there in April, but have a conflicting event that I must attend, and not sure I can make both. I believe the dragstrip is closed in October.
Lets keep in touch, and maybe I can tour Pacbrakes facilities, why I'm up there. Terry
ontheroad 01-11-2007, 12:43 AM Ha I have a 32ft 5th wheel figure that loaded is 13 or better and been down some steep and long hills with no prob and dont have a ebrake
KWnotPete 01-11-2007, 06:59 PM Dad had one on his Dodge/Cummins Dually.Roughly 32000 lbs loaded and he loved it.Haven't heard anyone with one on a Durmax.Call Banks would be my only suggestion.I wish the one on my KW worked as well as the one on his Dodge.Quite impressive.
JoBadluck 02-25-2007, 11:42 AM 32 000 lbs ???
Colin Banks 02-25-2007, 02:41 PM JoBadluck:
We offer a Banks Exhaust Brake for your LB7. We did close to 500 hours of testing comparing ourselves to BD Engine Brake and Pacbrake and outperform both models. I'll post a link to the available information on our website. This information is somewhat limited as we're in the process of updating that section of our site.
http://store.bankspower.com/Categories.aspx?Category=27ec3ae9-27cf-4668-ab9f-c0304c2ad96b (http://store.bankspower.com/Categories.aspx?Category=27ec3ae9-27cf-4668-ab9f-c0304c2ad96b)
If you'd like information from our engineering competitive test files I'd be happy to p.m. or e-mail you with it.
Thanks,
Colin Banks
General Manager
Gale Banks Engineering
800-438-7693
cbanks@bankspower.com
allensmith 03-15-2007, 10:47 AM do these increase egt?
vacarellab 03-15-2007, 09:34 PM Us gears brake only does when you are idleing with it on, for faster warm up
Rodeo_Joe 04-16-2007, 07:01 PM I'm a truck driver an th company has trucks with jake brakes a some with exhaust brakes..... the exhaust brakes are in the medium size truks with cat 300s in them an empty if I'm not careful I could come right outta the seat of the truck if works that well..........but you just wont get the good sound a jake puts out. I can't help you with the make of a good brand for your duramax. I'm gonna eventually put one in my truck. but I know Pac brake makes a very good exhaust brake for our company medium sized trucks
JoBadluck 04-16-2007, 08:30 PM Good to hear ! Have you tried the dodge 2007 with the cummins. It comes with an exhaust brake already installed. It works pretty good and delivers about 150 Hp of retarding power. I'm wondering if PAC works that good too.
the mechanic 04-26-2007, 09:10 PM i have a banks exhaust brake in my 06 gmc 3500 with the 6 speed manual. It slows you down about 50% with it on your brakes dont wear at all if you use it alot like me. the west coast of british columbia has lots of steep mountian roads, and no problems with the engine or trans. the brake was the first add-on to the truck
the mechanic 04-26-2007, 09:19 PM I work right around the corner form pac brake they make good stuff and i have worked on it to. I went with bankes because i put there exhaust system on with the brake and it works really well
JoBadluck 04-27-2007, 11:36 AM Yeah, I went through rockies from Banff to Jasper. I wish I had an exhaust brake in the Columbia Icefield hills. Wish I had one too when I went to Field and Golden. The West was the most beautiful trip of my life ! I'm planning to return.
How does that sound when it engages ?
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