How the Predator Compares With the Stealth

First a little about my truck;
2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD LS Crew cab, short bed, 4X4, with the Duramax Diesel and Allison 5 speed automatic transmission. Tires = BF Goodrich All-Terrains 285/75/16” Torsion bar keys, 2 added springs per side in rear, Transmission = Deep pan and Transynd, Gauges = X-Monitor (Pyro/Boost) Pre Turbo ( Passenger side exhaust manifold), AFE II air filter, Banks monster, A.R.E. bed cover, Truck weight = 7280#

The Predator hot program (120+ hp) is much improved over the old 110 hp setting. It runs much cooler then before, has very nice power, good feel, very responsive when passing, and builds boost quickly. However it is still very hot compared to the Stealth 135hp by Quadzilla.

I would like to see the temperature to be a little cooler (maybe 100-200*) under hard runs. I did not get any “over boost” or “map sensor” codes, however I hard a lot of trouble trying to set it up for other then stock size tires. The ABS and brake light came on, but I think it had to do with the tire size being way out of wack. (2,000 rpm at 85 mph with 33” tires) I ended up setting the tire size to 235/75/16 and the speedometer is pretty close.

The temperature today was in the mid to upper 80`s with 15-20 mph wind and 65% humidity

Price: The Stealth will cost you about $150 more then the Predator. If you are a member of one of the Diesel pages, you can save 10% (That is if the deal is still good) I got my Stealth for $536 delivered to my door in 2 days. The Predator was $445 delivered in 3 days. If you don’t mind a little less power, you can get a tamed down Stealth box (110hp max. and a 55hp tow setting) for the same price as the Predator

HdMax/Consumer Reports gave us the low down on that...Nice to hear someone who can give two opinions on two different things....BillEdited by: hoot

Awesome post! Thanks for the indepth review.


Any idea if the Stealth or Predator will work well with the ZF?

Yes either one will work great with the 6 speed tranny. And for the power to price ratio, they can not be beat. 120 or 135 hp will wake your truck up like you won't believe. Just about any power adder will work with the 6 speed. The reason the Juice is not desired, is because it can not be set up with the truck. But even the Juice can be set up in an automatic then transfered to the 6 speed truck.


The TST Powermax is a very good choice also. You have a ton of choices when it comes to adding power and torque to your truck.

Just wanted to thank everyone for their input!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gifIt really helped me out a lot. And thanks again to Nic for starting the site. Also wanna thank the Mods! Keep up the good work!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif


Now that I have done all my home work and feel very inlightened by all you guys, I think Im going with the Stealth. Do I want to get the Towing one that is 55-110 or the performance that is 70-135. I know that i obviously want the performance one but how will it be when I start towing?


Do you sugest the BD version of the quad? Any draw backs?

The way you guys are talk'in about the Predator just might have to send mine back to check it out ,what could it hurt.....

Where's James ??

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif

Mackin; contact James, he may come over here. Also let him know you want the update, it may be possible to get it through e-mail. (I am not sure of that, but he has sent me a few updated programs over the net.)


The 120+ hp is a lot better then the old version.

Get the 135HP


You know you'll want it.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

If I get the 135HP how will it treat my engine when towing in the 70 hp setting?





Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif

You have to send your unit back to Diablo to get the upgrade. All they require is you paying for the shipping.





Jess

Mike,


I want the 135hp stealth but do I need to worry about towing when its in the lowest setting? Where did you get your Stealth from?


Thanks


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

No you shouldn't have any problems with the 70 hp setting. I bought is directly from Quadzilla, They were (and may still be) giving a 10% discount for diesel forum members. That makes it about $536 delivered in a couple days.


You can not go wrong with the Stealth 135hp. If I had the money, I'd buy the 215hp with the 70,95, and 135 hp settings as well.


I next power enhancement toy will be the hot juice with the monitor. I hope they have it by Oct. 13, 2003 and one of the vendors at the Grand Rapids truck rally has it on hand for a really hard to turn down price.

Im jealouse that you guys have all these get togethers out East. I keep hearing about them and am temped to drive out from Vegas to have some fun. Thanks for the imput!


Very glad to know about the Forum discount!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


Mike

Yeah,


Us Northeasterners are trouble makers.


We got this guy with a Dooley, always leaving his mark. Picks on the virgins, etc.


He's got a box of parts and some instructions, I might have to go meet up with him later and stop at our favorite "spot".


Last time we were there was not good, something about a camera http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hey, come on out we can show ya some Northern Hospitality.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

What is the differance between the power pub From Bully dog and the quad? Who makes who?


Thanks,


Mike

Quad is a distributor for BullyDog. He claims to do his own programming but his dyno charts are the same as BullyDog's so who is really doing the programming....................

diesel tech maybe you should do a little more checking before you go misleading people on others productshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif.i have talked with mike at bully dog before on unrelated issues and he brought up his pup down loader that was going to be released soonhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif,i mentioned that i was going to get one from quad and he told me that quad had gotten some serious hp out of the tuner ,i ask and was told by mike that the tuning was all his(meaning quads)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif..i hope this clears things up for you.by the way no matter who does the programming the stealth totally blew your custom race down loader via ppe away by more than 60 hp on the dyno and i dont even wanna talk about what happened at the track.hope to not russle your feathers but if your gonna dish it you need to be able to take it.....jess Edited by: king d

jess,


Just to get things clear, is it better to get the quad or the power pup? Is there any difference? What is ppe?


Mike

i dont wont to run down the power pup,never ran one , bully dog is a top notch company and have bought from them before,however i have ran the quad stealth and am very happy with it therefor with respect to product and service i say go with the quad.ppe is a performance co on the left coast that sells duramaxamizers and and also sells steve cole reflashes.not to take way from the steve cole products they do what they advertise but most folks dont want to wait months for a product,that can now be delivered next day if choosen.and they dont produce the power that the stealth 215 does

.Edited by: sdaver

KingD


I have no problem takeing it as you say but you need to get your facts straight. You have never tested our product, you've tested PPE. Yes, we make things for alot of people, PPE is just one of them but so is Edelbrock, GM, Harley Davidson and many more. There product is there product it's not our's! Since that's a fact of life I hope you can take what you've dished out. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


What I have stated is true just look at his web site , he is a BullyDog distributor! His Duramax dyno graphs are the same as the one's that BullyDog puts out! Look at the pictures of the BullyDog unit and Quad's, the same thing with a different label. These are the facts!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Now, tell me what I've got wrong.


Our truck has run 12.78 @ 106 #2 only to date and the only mods are the Xtreme Powerloader II, our 4" exhaust, and our transmission upgrade/converter! I've not seen or heard of any Quad Stealth comeing close to our times. Mtomac is the closest at 12.8x with a 4wd and custom air cleaner, 4" exhaust, ATS trans/coverter and stacked boxes(quad's is one of them). Our truck is 2wd and we cannot event get close to his 60' times. If we get our 60' times down from the current 2.04 to where Mike's are at (1.68)that will put us in at 12.4x range. Mike is able to launch at 10 psi because of the 4wd and we cannot go over 2-3 psi due to excessive wheel spin.


"the stealth totally blew your custom race down loader via ppe away by more than 60 hp on the dyno "


As I've stated before you've never tested our unit! What have you done with your Quad box only, if it's that great you should be running at least 12.4 or quicker,are you?

First let me say that I do not distrubute Bullydog's products. I find it interesting that Mr Cole knows so much about me and what I do, considering I have never even so much as talked to him.





With that said let me give you an idea about what I know as far as the differences in the Stealth Tuner and the Pup.


First they are built by the same person, but are actually much different. All of the Stealth Tuners come with 4 different power levels, and the pup has 3 levels. The pup has a download which is supposed to be 150hp. We don't offer any downloads, we believe that the consumer should be able to buy what he wants the first time and not have to pay twice to get it. We also have several different levels of power, and all of the Tuners can be upgraded at a later time if more HP is needed. Our standard Tuner the "Towing" tuner has 50-70-90-and 110hp settings. The pup is 55-75-95 I believe. I believe they are slightly cheaper by about $25-$30, but we offer more power and more adjustability. The code reader and tire size are basically the same, but the rev limiter and top speed limiter is not the same.


With that said we use the same case and both use the same company to make the switchable membrane (the keypad). However depending on which tuner you buy from us, the hardware is slightly different and in some cases a lot different.


I can't speak for their tuning, but I know they are a reputable company and I am sure that their tuning is fine. I personally think out tuning is better as far as egt's, fuel mileage go. I know that so far we make the most flat out HP available. This can always change but there have been a lot of non biased dyno results that would prove that we are out in front in the power department by a small chunk. I think if you dig you will find out that we also have outstanding performance in the drag racing side of things as well. The truck pulling stuff we are working on, and I would venture to say we are at the top, but we have more competition in that arena, and we plan to change that soon. Being form TX we don't really have much of an oppurtunity to pull Sleds so we have found some people to work with that can give us the feedback we need. We are very good at towing and drivability, escpecially in the lower hp areas that most of us drive in. I think we have the coolest egt's hands down. Fuel mileage is always a toss up because driving terrain and habits vary too much to compare in the real world. It is better to just judge how your particular truck does. If I left anything out let me know.


Once again I want to restate this.





WE DO OUR OWN TUNING, FROM START TO FINISH.





If you hear anything else they are lying or don't know, or just need an excuse. Anyone that has been by my shop and had me do any custom work can vouch for me!





I didn't come here to get into a he said she said battle. I prefer to keep off of the forums as I fell that satisfied customers speak best, plus I can barely find time to keep up with all you guys.





If anyone else has any question or would like clarification please let me know.


Hopefully the moderators will forgive me for not exactly following the Vendors rules, but I felt this needed to be explained. I also felt since wrong information was being presented that I would clarify that.








Thanks,





Quad

Steve,


I have a 4dr 4x4 and I can only cut 1.95-2.0 60' times in 4wheel drive and I will run you any place anytime. But I don't race for free.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





If you think I am bluffin then ask your friend if I will show. Actually in October there is a Clash of the Titans race that would be good to do it at. Seems like I am always doing the traveling, so come on down.





My dyno chart were done with our trucks, on an unbiased dyno in Dallas.


Ok so lets look at the facts.


I claim 15 more hp than they do with our small tuner.


I also have a 135hp tuner and a 215hp tuner.


They have a 95hp tuner and a 150hp tuner.


THe question is how do you explain that the dyno graphs would be the same? It would either one of us look stupid if we either overshot the number or undershot the number. So what gives?





Now the real question is.......what dyno chart are you looking at? I don't have any Dmax charts on my web page.

would and could this be considered a clash of the titans..........move this to the war room mods.......I dare you


V

Quad,


THANK YOUhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


That made a lot of things very clear for a lot of people. Everything was very well said!


Didnt think my question would spark so much. Glad to know what is what though.


Thanks,


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

There is no war here. I came to explain some things that were obviously unclear to some. I don't believe at this time I have the need for war, as we let our customers do the talking for us. WE don't have to brag about how fast our truck is.


I am not sure how these people even get into these conversations? I mean this is ridiculously off topic. I was happy to state the differences in out product and others. I have no reason to try and slam or talk down MR Cole. I will correct him everytime I see him say something that is not true about my company.


Believe it or not until today I never knew this place existed until a customer informed me. I have read the post and most seem to be informative. THis thread actuallly had good information for a while.





You guys need to look at what has hapened in this thread.


There is a real world guy, spending his hard earned dollar, doing testing that only benefits the rest of you. I have seen this report before and he continually updates it. He stated good and bad for both the companies tested so the rest of you can decide what suits your needs best. I give him two thumbs up for the work he has done. He should be charging you for these reports like magazines do.]


Now here at the end is a bunch of bull that helps no one, and it started because someone is disgruntled. His company is not mentioned in this thread nor was his name, so why he chose to ruin a great thread for you guys I have no clue?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


If you guys like seeing wars, that is great and I can admit I watched some in the past that can be hillarious. But I don't have time for a computer war. If you wanna find out who's best, fine lets get on the track or th dyno or in front og a sled. Anyone can be tough behind a computer screen, or at the track by themselves.


If you guys ever have a question, and I am not a forum (which is most of the time) feel free to e-mail me or call me and I will gladly help you or answer questions or do what I can for you.





Quad

To all,


Ahem, let me get on my soapbox............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


First off I am not here to be a Censor, I am here to monitor the Forums.


Quoted from Quadzilla


"First they are built by the same person, but are actually much different. All of the Stealth Tuners come with 4 different power levels, and the pup has 3 levels. The pup has a download which is supposed to be 150hp. We don't offer any downloads, we believe that the consumer should be able to buy what he wants the first time and not have to pay twice to get it. We also have several different levels of power, and all of the Tuners can be upgraded at a later time if more HP is needed. Our standard Tuner the "Towing" tuner has 50-70-90-and 110hp settings. The pup is 55-75-95 I believe. I believe they are slightly cheaper by about $25-$30, but we offer more power and more adjustability. The code reader and tire size are basically the same, but the rev limiter and top speed limiter is not the same.


With that said we use the same case and both use the same company to make the switchable membrane (the keypad). However depending on which tuner you buy from us, the hardware is slightly different and in some cases a lot different."





I would hope that Quadzilla's statements about his product and Bullydogs would be sufficient as he is the owner of that product (Quadzilla Tuner) and knows what it is and what he has programmed it to do.


There are many other products available out there are from EDGE, BD, DiabloSports, and Steve Cole just to name a few........They are advertising that their product will perform in a certain way and most do.


I beleive they have all provided Dyno Charts and you may compare the results for yourself.


I would hope that this thread stays positive and does not deteriorate into personal attacks.


I think everyone should read our Vendor Statements (http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=250&PN=1)


If you would like to advertise your product we have a few rules that we expect to be folllowed. Please register as a vendor if you would like to offer your product for sale.


We ask you present facts only and leave personal attacks out.


Mackin and I have ready access to a Dyno, we know what most boxes and tuners put down for numbers. Most meet or exceed, some do not.


Please keep it clean.


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY --- STAFF

Quad

I for one am glad you have come here to post ,please continue .... You certainly cleared up some things for me thanks .... I look forward to trying one of your tuners at some point....

Mac

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Edited by: Mackin

Diesel Tech

Also your input is greatfull,believe me ... I read your posts on Diesel-Central also ....
I know you've done a lot of R&D on the Allison ....
Since this thread has gotten off base I figure this would be my best chance to get some questions answered if possible ....

The Transgo* kit your selling,strickly just the shift kit or with any clutch packs ?? Who is developing your T/C that you use,is it your own ?? If I may what kind of holding capacity do you feel the Transgo* with a fresh Allison TC will hold alone with good clutch packs....?? Have you tested it alone ?? A lot of these guys here will be interested in your response as I ....

Thanks in advance, please enjoy the site, glad your here ...

Mac

Can anyone tell me if adjusting the tire size significantly with the Stealth causes the "ABS" and "Brake" lights on the dash to come on, as it does with the Predator?

And how much tire size adjustment range does the Stealth offer?

Considering ditching my Predator and moving to the Stealth instead but I'd like to know the answers to these questions first.

great post and responseshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifdave

"Now here at the end is a bunch of bull that helps no one, and it started because someone is disgruntled. His company is not mentioned in this thread nor was his name, so why he chose to ruin a great thread for you guys I have no clue?"


First let me state to Quad that I am more than willing to race you, and any time you make it out to the west coast I will be more than happy to show you the tail lights of our truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif In so much as the bull you continue to lay out about our company or my name being mentioned........... grow up!


Mackin


We have worked with TransGo from day one on the development of the upgrade kit and converter. Each time we were able to hold the power we were makeing we upped the power and went back to work on the transmission and converter. There has never been a problem making more power than what is currently on the market but it breaks parts. Most customers want something they can drive everyday and use, not some peak Hp number they cannot use. The claims being made by some people these days are just so far out in left field it amazes me. If you would like to have a good reliable truck and not replace the transmission or clutch we donot recommend going over 80 Hp. That's all the truck can take and anything above that begins breaking things. Donot get me wrong, things will not start falling off the truck but the durability is compromised greatly. The 120 Hp program we sell will cause a stock truck to go into limp mode on a 4 - 5 upshift under full power and again under load in 5th gear. Some trucks will do it more and some will do it less. If our competors are making as much Hp and Torque as we do they will have the same problems as the transmission stock has a capacity that is being exceeded. The upgrade kit as we sell it will hold 500 RWHP but the stock converter will give up the ghost about 340 RWHP. These are the power levels we have been testing at with nothing more than our programming and 4" exhaust(No this power level is not something we are currently selling). The problems in the converter are they are not all assembled the same from the factory. The clutch surface area can become distorted from how they welded the mounting pads onto the converter and the converter clutch itself is only useing about 35% of what it has to begin with. We make the converter we sell it's not someone elses unit. We donot do our own balanceing in house but we do make and machine the parts right here in our facility, just as we do with all our programmers there not bought from someone else. We have been in business since 1981 and contniue to do development with and for many different companys. Our chips and programmers have been on the market since 1987 and we introduced the original Duramax reprogrammer in 2001.

KingD


I have no problem takeing it as you say but you need to get your facts straight. You have never tested our product, you've tested PPE. Yes, we make things for alot of people, PPE is just one of them but so is Edelbrock, GM, Harley Davidson and many more. There product is there product it's not our's! Since that's a fact of life I hope you can take what you've dished out. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


if i lead any one astray on that my mistake,i did mention that the program was via ppe and since in early phone calls to you you assured me that ppe will release only whaty you say they can because you control it all,i think your exact words were was the race tunes will never be released by me or ppe.funny thing local guy has the race tune from ppe not the extreme but that is coming.i tell you what we have another dyno day shcedualed for oct 11,i will send you all my info and if you care to take the challenge make me one of your extreme programs,i will dyno it heads up againts the stealth and the ppe version,if yours out performs i will tell the whole world,via internet post never been scared to admit when i am wrong.and i dont expect you to send product for free il pay for it as long as when the stealth out dynoes it you take it back,if it whoops the stealth i will be a steve cole convert for life and push your products.figure its the least i can do if you whipp me i owe it to you.


.


"the stealth totally blew your custom race down loader via ppe away by more than 60 hp on the dyno "


As I've stated before you've never tested our unit! What have you done with your Quad box only, if it's that great you should be running at least 12.4 or quicker,are you? you should realize that your single cab truck weighs much much less than my 4x4 extended cab.the best i have ran with just stealth is a 13.1 even but if you take into account truck weights i think you will see i am all over you r times or better.and i ran that time using 11.5 street slicks in 2 wheel drive...let me know i am game to play if you are jess.ps sorry for anyconfusion...

First let me state to Quad that I am more than willing to race you, and any time you make it out to the west coast I will be more than happy to show you the tail lights of our truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif In so much as the bull you continue to lay out about our company or my name being mentioned........... grow up!





You might should do a little more homework if you plan on showing me your tail lights. I don't think that 12.78 or whatever is even worthy of talking about considering it is a single cab 2wd and runs on slicks now. You should be in the 11's.


I really don't feel it would be worht my time to travel to CA. I do feel that since it seems our customers seem to have the fastest trucks, (mtomac,kingd) to name a couple, that would put the ball in your court, why don't you pony up and drive out here? Or I am willing to meet, but CA is ridiculous, especially since we clearly have the upper hand on power.





I didn't say a word about you or your company? I just thought it was stupid for you to post on subject that does not involve you nor do you have any clue about my products.





I don't plan to grow up, that is for people stuck in the 12's.

Quad, it's obviously more important to you to engage in a pissing contest than to answer questions from prospective customers. Not my idea of someone I want to do business with. Nevermind.

ZFMax,


If I can I typically will let others that have experience with out products try to answer these questions. In our research the only way we get any ABS problems is if someone cheats onthe tires size and tries to fool the mileage.





I believe the very first post on this thread speaks about the tires sizes between the Stealth and the Predator.


Here is a quote from the first thread:


"Setting them up; The Stealth is much faster and easier to program the truck. Not that the Predator is bad! Tire program works every time with the Stealth. I can not get the Predator to set up properly with the tires."





Sorry I didn't answer your question in the last post. The fastest way to get a questions answered from me is by e-mail, because they get directed straight to me.


If you have any other questions please let me know.





Quad

King D


No problems here I just wanted to make sure and clear up the facts. I think that you must have misunderstood me about the Race (120Hp)level of performance as we have sold that for a couple of years now,it's the big power stuff that I'm worried about. We are currently working on a release form for those who want big power. The customer will need to sign the release before we will sell any of the big Hp stuff. The problem is most people are not like you, you know going in when you play you are going to pay. We have felt it best not to allow the big Hp out as all we will get is calls saying it broke my truck event after we told them it would. It's not worth the trouble or the time for us to do that. This is why we spent the time to develop the transmission upgrade Kit with Transgo and the coverter. This way we offer a package that we know works. If we get the necessary paperwork in place and you sign it by your dyno date I would be more than happy to get something to you. You are correct that our 2wd is lighter than your 4wd but we have added 500 lbs in the bed to try and help traction and still were not able to launch the truck above 2 - 3 psi and still ran the same times. We have to make up our mind to get into the suspension or not, since it's a everyday work truck four link rear suspension is not an option. When we add the full slicks to the truck from the ET street tires we ran slower not quicker only a 12.85 @108. I tried to lauch the truck with 5 psi on the slicks but no luck yet. So it's either time to go get a 4wd or find a way to get some traction without takeing the truck out of the everyday work truck catagory.

Diesel Tech,


Al is right he will show up. It will get a little annoying watching him stand around with his arms folded and his lip hanging on the ground saying " I am the king of hp just ask me" Then he will use power adders such as propane and claim it is just his box alone. Even with the power adders he did produce 6 more hp than us however he fell 126ft lbs of torque shy. Now this was done on a Ford 6.0L and I know you are talking about the duramax.


Quad,


I have told you in the past people will see through your BS. It's ok to be a Bullydog Dealer, everyone has to start somewhere. just don't lie to people and offer good customer service and you will do well. When you get a little faster give me a call and I will drive to Texas and give at our title.


Dennis

Diesel Tech I am not certain all of you info is wrong but I know MTomac doesn't have a 4 inch exhaust.

All you guys done yet?


All this BS needs to stop!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif


If there ever is a match I will be front row!


Thanks guys! But please lets just keep things cool. I didnt mean for all this to start over my little question!


Cant we all just get along?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

if you get a waiver so you can send me a tuner by oct 11 i would love to give it a spin on the rollers contact me at kingcrooked @aol.com....jessEdited by: king d

CPMac


MTomac and I have talked on other sites and what I posted is what I believe he told me he did but I could be wrong as I've never seen his truck.


Bybycop


"All this BS needs to stop!"


I agree, but I also think people need to know what will and willnot hurt there vehicles, we've done the homework for the customers and I hate it when someone comes along and tells everyone it's fine when I know it's not. Tell people the truth and if they break something then they were warned ahead of time.

Definately agreed!!!! That exactly it. Im trying to get the best product for my money without hurting my truck. I am glad for that statement. When I said BS, I wasnt meaning that everything said was bs by any means. There was some good info in that little heat.


Hope All is good!


Mike

Hey guys this is my threadhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Am I going to have to buy the Bullydog Pup and do a second review? I am running low on funds, Can someone give me one to try?

sorry hd max prolly my fault you can hijack my next thread as payback,there was a lot of info going back and forth that really doesnt matter to the average person.the fact is you started a damn good thread with lots of pertinent info.the real truth is is that all chips over about 110 can cause damage to the engine.i guess i sometimes take for granted that some may think you can add over 200 hp in some applications to a vehicle and everything will be a ok.i dont think any of the tuners or programmers selling products wont to dammage thier customers truck cause it is bad for buisness.sorry for the hijack and rock on good info ....jess

Amen,


Keep rocking on hdmax. Great posts. I have a bunch of people wanting in on the group buy for the quad cause of your info. Wish I had some extra fund to support the test! Think it would be great though.


Mike


P.S. Put out the word for the quad group buy. Could be a good chance for some.

Not taking sides, but common sense tells me if you wanna race, don't use a CC LB when you can get a Reg cab SB. A lot less chopping involved. I understand most of us bought these for hauling toys and kids, but it's your fault if you bring a knife to a gun fight...





I don't know where you got your information, But you can not get a Regular cab short bed in the 2500,2500HD, or 3500. So no rc sb with the duramax unless you build one yourself.

I let thsi go for a while just to see if the moderators thought this kinds of behavior was acceptable, but now its my turn.


Dennis,


With that attitude you would think you got beat at your own event? Drugs you say?? What about the 2 stage Nitrous Kit on your 6L? I know, I know you think I cheated, but if this was true, why are our customers on TDS turning better numbers than we were? I guess everyone over there is cheating too right? Oh and by the way how are sales on your 6L that you were releasing in May? I hope they are good, and soon someone will dyno it for all of us. I am not going to get into the 6l thing because I believe the public has made their opinion on what has happened. If you care to read the details go look in the archives of the diesel stop. It is good reading actually.


I am ready for you to show in TX. Oct. 24-25 I believe is the COTT race. If that is inconvenient you will have to wait until after hunting season. I have driven my miles now its your turn.


I personally think it is childish for you to even show up over here to help your buddy. Maybe he will show up in TX with you so you can try tag team racing. The way I see it you have no interest in this thread. Actually for the most part I don't ever see where you are helpful in any thread. You and your buddy seem to like tooting your own horn and thats about it.





I am done with this thread, I can't believe it has turned into something this childish (yes I am childish for even replying to them) but I just can't stand weasels. And yes that was childish too but it makes me giggle!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


We do offer good customer support, as well as one of the very best products. And we actually have them.





Come on someone loose about the last 3/4 of this thread.





Quad


Flame Suit On


Done. If you need to contact me do it in a different thread or by e-mail or pigeon or something.

Hey Quad;


You mentioned "TEST PILOTS" How about sending me a bigger Stealth? Say maybe the 215hp one with the 70,110, and 135 for the other 3 settings? I'll be the test dummy, I mean test pilot.

hd its gonna take a built tranny.........trust mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifdave


fastfastfastfastfast

i don't even know if my stock one would hold that well anymore :)

hd its gonna take a built tranny.........trust mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifdave


fastfastfastfastfast





I am very aware of that Davehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Steve i'm sure MTomac told you he has an aftermarket muffler but I doubt he ever said he had a 4 inch exhaust.


King D if your wanting the programmer by Oct 11 of next year I wouldn't even bet on it then. I have been waiting since August of last year and I still haven't received a thing from Mr. Cole.

[QUOTE=CPMac.


King D if your wanting the programmer by Oct 11 of next year I wouldn't even bet on it then. I have been waiting since August of last year and I still haven't received a thing from Mr. Cole.[/QUOTE] well i am waiting for mr cole to make liars/believers out of us all...jess

I just found this thread and have a couple questions for Steve Cole.

Is the TTS Xtreme Powerloader II and the PPE Extreme Tech 4 Programmer the same?

Is your truck and the "Duramaximizer" truck two different trucks?

So, you didn't run the Duramaximizer and the Powerloader II on the 12.78 run?

What does your truck weigh?

With 500# in the bed the truck didn't go any faster and didn't have a better 60' time? The tracks around here won't let me have anything in the bed.

My truck has the stock exhaust with a Flowmaster muffler on it. My 12.80 run was with the 215 Quad Stealth and a non pressure VA box stacked (good for another 20 RWHP on a Dynojet).

I would like to try one of your Xtreme Powerloader II's but they seem to be very hard to acquire. Also does the Duramaximizer need to be run with it for the best power?

So far I've tried the Comp Juice, Comp TST, Big VA box & the 215 Quad Stealth. I sent the Comp TST back because of drivability issues but it did run a 13.16 by itself.Edited by: mtomac

WOW! - Even I feel pumped now.. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Nuke.gif http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif

Mtomac asked





Is the TTS Xtreme Powerloader II and the PPE Extreme Tech 4 Programmer the same?


No they are not, we make the unit for PPE but the Xtreme PowerLoader II is not currently on the market. We felt it best not to release such a unit until the transmission problems were solved and a release document has been put into place.

Is your truck and the "Duramaximizer" truck two different trucks?


The truck was purchased from PPE several months ago but everything was changed after the purchase was made.

So, you didn't run the Duramaximizer and the Powerloader II on the 12.78 run?


Correct, the only power adder was the PowerLoader II nothing else is installed on the truck, period.

What does your truck weigh?


I donot know at this time as we have not taken it to a scale to get measured, but we will.

With 500# in the bed the truck didn't go any faster and didn't have a better 60' time? The tracks around here won't let me have anything in the bed.


They didn't like it but I had it strapped down so they let me go. They asked that next time if I do it again to have it mounted in place or they wouldn't let me run again.

My truck has the stock exhaust with a Flowmaster muffler on it. My 12.80 run was with the 215 Quad Stealth and a non pressure VA box stacked (good for another 20 RWHP on a Dynojet).


Sorry for the confusion, I thought you had said 4" exhaust.

I would like to try one of your Xtreme Powerloader II's but they seem to be very hard to acquire. Also does the Duramaximizer need to be run with it for the best power?


No, the Duramaximizer doesnot have to be used. Yes, the Xtreme unit is impossible to get at this time. Until we get everything in place it will not be sold.





CPMAC


I have been waiting since August of last year and I still haven't received a thing from Mr. Cole.


I donot know you or what your waiting on but send me a e-mail and I can get to the bottom of what your waiting for.





If your wanting to know how our current product works ask Sdaver, he had a test unit for about 1 month but his old transmission would not hold the power. He was testing our standard switchable unit that allows the user to switch on the fly between Economy, Tow and Race. No reprogramming after install to switch power levels, just switch the toggle to any power setting from the interior of your cab at any time!

Edited by: Diesel Tech

What kind of rwhp/rwtq is the Extreme powerloader II making?


Does it add fuel pressure?


If not then how well will it work with a pressure box?

Steve my name is Craig McElfresh I talked with you several times about a loader or programmed ecm. I started talking to you in August of 02 originally through JK and after he couldn't get one from you I talked to you myself. Sent you all the info at least twice and the last time I talked to you was in August of this year. I believe your product would fall way shy of what I have now but I would be willing for you to prove me wrong.

Sheesh . . . after reading all this I thought I woke up on the "dark side" of the diesel forum over in the "other diesel page", or is this just a nightmare I'm having. Nope, just checked and I'm still banned from "free speech" over there.


I'm sure there will be "infiltrators" from the "dark side" to stir up trouble over here on purpose from time to time. So it's good for everyone to be a little cautious and sort the truth from the drivel. It's really very easy to tell the difference. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

TJ,


I had a converstaion about you the other day, wondering where you have been.........LONG TIME NO SEE.


George

Welcome aboard Trader Jack! More then a few of us has been banned from the dark side.

We ARE the Darkkside.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif Edited by: jesshd

Hey guys . . . I'm glad to be back. Thanks for the invite. I'll try to stay straight and sober some of the time.


Ya know . . . it's really nice to see a group like this get together without all the bullsh*t rules and the "clique" with their own agenda. Maybe now we can talk and exchange ideas as it was once long ago on the diesel planet.


As the word gets out the migration will start because the only ones left over there will be the a - - h o l e s, and they all deserve each other.


Nice to be back . . .

CPMac


Now that I know who you are you are correct in that we have been talking for quite some time but as I told you before I would not release this product until everything was in place. As I recall we've had several conversations about the problems with your truck (clutch, exhaust and fuel system) and what testing we were doing here that might help you. I'm sorry if you feel you've been left out but that's not the case. Unless we have everything in place I will not sell this power level. That's the same as I've told you in the past. You have offer to by it as is and I've told you no. I fell this is the proper way to conduct business. We have spent many hours to try and find all the things that may go wrong prior to selling this and when we feel it's ready we will release it. We are close but not quite finished.

Diesel Tech; What kind of numbers do you think you will get out of the box you are working on? Will it be the most powerful? and is the power/torque all the way through the rpm range?





Thanks!

Diesel Tech I did at first ask for something custom or more than the regular programming but the last time I talked to you I said to send whatever. I was needing extra rpm and even then I still heard nothing from you. In your regular program you claim around 500+ rpm extra and that is the main thing I needed. I guess you didn't want to sell me anything that you knew I would be stacking on top of.

CPMac


Well I guess it's my fault then as I understood you incorrectly. I felt what you wanted was the most Hp with Rev limit set to 4000. Since that was not ready for release I held it.


hdmax


The Xtreme unit has increased power and torque from 1300 RPM up. What Hp you will get is up in the air at this point in time. We have 5 test trucks and they all have run different. The range so far has been 480 - 520 RWHP and 898 - 1000 Ft/Lbs. We have had trouble stopping wheel spin on the dyno with the single axle trucks. What we can tell you at this time is it will require other modifications to get it's full output. This is one reason we have not released the product. You must have an upgraded exhaust and test the fuel system for output.

steve, you have my vehicle info on file I might just be interested......dave

I have been running the Predator 120+ rwhp for the last 1100+ miles. And the truck just does not get used to the power for shifting. and the throttle is muct too touchy for normal driving. It would be as dangerous in the snow as riding a motorcycle.





Every time I think I'll stick with the Predator for a while, I end up going back to the Stealth. It is so much more driver friendly. The power is so much smoother. The Predator seems to have more power, but test after test show that is not the case.


The only reason I will not sell the Predator, is because it is worthless to any body that don't have my truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Just remember a couple of things.





Just because it has a touchy throttle, narrow powerband, and gets hot, doesn't mean its making power.





When we were racing we always said we wanted our car to resemble a duck on a calm pond. On the outside it looks like everything is calm and not much is happening and there is not a lot of un-necessary comotion, but underneath things are going like heck!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Just remember a couple of things.





Just because it has a touchy throttle, narrow powerband, and gets hot, doesn't mean its making power.





When we were racing we always said we wanted our car to resemble a duck on a calm pond. On the outside it looks like everything is calm and not much is happening and there is not a lot of un-necessary comotion, but underneath things are going like heck!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif quad ever thought of moving to cali and running for guv en na ......id vote 4 ya absentee of course

Just remember a couple of things.





Just because it has a touchy throttle, narrow powerband, and gets hot, doesn't mean its making power.





When we were racing we always said we wanted our car to resemble a duck on a calm pond. On the outside it looks like everything is calm and not much is happening and there is not a lot of un-necessary comotion, but underneath things are going like heck!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





No, but the Predator is not to far off the Stealth all the way to 100 mph. The Predator is a pretty good box, and it is $140 less then the Stealth 135, and also has on board live engine monitoring.


So I am not puting the Stealth head and shoulders above the Predator. It is better, but that is it.


Now if Quadzilla offered the 150hp (as I was told they had at the time I bought minehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif ) then maybe it would be head and shoulders better. But not the way the two boxes are right now. So let a little air out of your ever growing headhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: hdmax

Does your Predator work properly all the time? Have you ever checked your real time data against a tech 2?





I am not saying the Predator is bad, but More power, cooler egt's, it works everytime, you can resale it or try it on more than one truck, and you have never had to send it in to get reflashed to fix it. What more do you want?


I am not sure who told you 150hp was available, but if that is true and I can confirm this I will get you 150hp.





I am not letting my head inflate, and I don't run around saying how my stuff is better. Actually you will never find a post that I started ringing my own bell. I think my product as a whole is better than the Predator. Yes I am biased, but I have ran many Predators. I will not run them down, they work, but that doesn't mean I can't think mine is better. I am also proud of what we have accomplished especially considering the fact that we had it right on its first release.


Also I believe in retail dollars the price is much closer than $140. For some reason the Predator dealers feel the need to price cut to sell?


Now I know you have done some testing with both tuners, and you have done a fantastic job. Here is what I want you to do. Put them on a dyno, and put them on a track. Make everything as controlled and equal as you can. If I am not a clear winner, I will pay for the dyno, and the entry to the track. I am not being arogant, I am just confident, and I have had both of them on a dyno and at the track.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Quad said ;Have you ever checked your real time data against a tech 2?

No I haven't but you know what I'm going to next time I get the chance ...

Quad said ;I am not saying the Predator is bad, but More power, cooler egt's, it works everytime, you can resale it or try it on more than one truck, and you have never had to send it in to get reflashed to fix it. What more do you want?

Being able to try on different trucks and sell is definately a major advantage

What more could I want ?? Well that is one loaded question .... I think I'll leave it to your imagination ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Edited by: Dennis Perry

I think "someone" needs to take Quad up on his offer and start another thread for it!!!!! I wanna see that info posted!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hey Mike, got any free time in the near future?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif





Edited by: bybycop

hey dennis you know who this is don't you do i get involved and let it out or is he worth ithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

.Edited by: BIG DIPPER

I will probably get run for this, But I do not care.



Quad; I’d like to state up front that I have nothing against you! How ever I feel you are stepping over the line, when you continually brag on your product by running down the Predator. Being a competing vendor you need to watch what you say, and how you say it. (No I’m not bucking for the moderator job)

You have a very good product, but it is up to us, “the consumer” to brag on it! I do not mind you being pro active, But I draw the line when you start cutting down your competitors. If you have a good product, it will sell itself through word of mouth. Not by cutting your competition down, that my friend will only hurt you.

For the price; the Predator is just as nice a product as your Stealth, The live engine monitoring works with the Predator. It does not work with the Stealth. You can try to spin it any way you want too. No I have not compared it to a tech II. But it works as advertised. (I have not checked the oil pressure gauge either, but it works)

As for heat: The Predator does run hotter then you’re Stealth. However, the EGT is only an issue under full throttle runs to over 90 mph. I don’t know about you, but I can tell you, I do not run full throttle all the time. So the problem is being exaggerated by you. Under normal driving and even some what hard runs, the Predator will not get too hot.

You stated that the price difference is closer too $140. If you re read my post, you will see that is exactly what I wrote.

You continue to brag about the Power you’re Stealth puts out! It better have more power. You claim 135 hp; the Predator claims 120+ hp. The way I see it; The Predator is well with in the 15 hp area from what I have seen in all my runs. Let’s compare your Stealth 110hp to the Predator 120+ hp. I guarantee you will lose every time. At any speed!

<SPAN style="F

Hdmax,





First let me say that I personally have no problem with you speaking your mind, I actually think it is a good thing.


As far as bragging about my product, well other thanin this post, I would like to see where I have acted in such a way. In this post I do agree that I did talk it up more than usual, but we will get to that in a minute. If I am truly out of line then I apologize. I think that what I said was taken in a manner that I did not intend.





The first issue I would like to take care of is "continually bragging about my product." I just don't feel that this has happened. In this thread I may have said more than I usually do, but that is it. Even in the most heated of arguments I never run a competitor down. I do in some cases give people a hard time, but that is all in good fun. If you took some of that the wrong way, you should re-read what I said and try to see that I am merely having fun, even though it has to do with my job.





Second I want to look at what was said by you when this post started.


"However it is still very hot compared to the Stealth 135hp by Quadzilla."


" however I hard a lot of trouble trying to set it up for other then stock size tires"


"I have hit 1380* with the Stealth. But still no where near the temperatures of the Predator)"


"The Stealth runs so cool; I was thinking the X-Monitor was a bad investment until I installed the Predator"


"Setting them up; The Stealth is much faster and easier to program the truck"


"Tire program works every time with the Stealth. I can not get the Predator to set up properly with the tires. "


"The power comes on smooth and it gets better in the upper rpm range. The shifts are smoother with the Stealth."


" have been running the Predator 120+ rwhp for the last 1100+ miles. And the truck just does not get used to the power for shifting. and the throttle is muct too touchy for normal driving."


"Every time I think I'll stick with the Predator for a while, I end up going back to the Stealth. It is so much more driver friendly. The power is so much smoother. The Predator seems to have more power, but test after test show that is not the case.


The only reason I will not sell the Predator, is because it is worthless to any body that don't have my truck"


These are all things you mentioned during this thread, all the while the only comment made by me was that you had done a wonderful job in putting your test together.


Here are the things I said:


"Just because it has a touchy throttle, narrow powerband, and gets hot, doesn't mean its making power."


this is something you said and I elaborated on and whether you like it or not it is true.


"I am not saying the Predator is bad, but More power, cooler egt's, it works everytime, you can resale it or try it on more than one truck, and you have never had to send it in to get reflashed to fix it. What more do you want?"


Once again, not bragging, just re-stating things you have already said with the exception to the reflash. My point with the reflash issue has to do with the performance level of v1.04. Compare them to that.


"Also I believe in retail dollars the price is much closer than $140. For some reason the Predator dealers feel the need to price cut to sell?"


I am very in tune with our competitors. I did not say that it was closer TO $140. I said it was closer THAN $140. I wrote that off the top of my head, so I went and did a little checking. The Predator retails for $549. Diablosport has a policy that allows their

I talked to a guy at Quadzilla. I believe his name is Mark.


I typed my last reply on my laptop while at work, I did over react, But it just seamed like you were using this thread to cut down the Predator.


I did say the Stealth 135hp was better then the Predator 120+ hp. It just doesn't seam right to mw for another vendor to cut down your competitor. When a consumer does it, (and can back it up) it is a lot different. I do appologize if I was too harsh on you.


The consumer could give a rats ass about retail, they do care about the price they can purchase an item for. I build furniture in my spare time. I can put a price tag of $399 on something yet sell it for $89 the item is still only worth $89.

hdmax,


First no need to apologize. I understand where you are coming from. I think if you will read the vast majority of my posts you will see that I respond in an acceptable manner.


I am not sure how I cut down the Predator? If I did, it wasn't intended.


I agree if a consumer can say something is better than someone else I agree that is ok. I also think its ok for a Manufacture, vendor, retailer, etc. to say one product is better than another. How else would you ever sell anything? Why would anyone be interested if all the products were the same? Where I have a problem is when someone talk about being better, and can't back it up.


When I said I would win on a dyno and a track, that isn't cutting someone down. I claim more, and I cost a little more, shouldn't I win? I wasn't saying that the Predator was bad, I was saying that I stand behind my product. If I loose something I say I will win (either in person or in advertising) I will make up for it the only way I can. In that instance it would be to pay for the dyno and track time.





I agree that the comsumer doesn't care much about retail. In my eyes the consumer is not always a retail customer, so I see things differently.





I think a few things were just read the wrong way and we can all be happy now!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Fubar,


You know what they say about never let an opportunity pass you by. Speak my brother the "Truth shall set you free"!!!!!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif





Dennis

I want to thank you guys for coming to a pleasant resolution. I lot of useful consumer information was passed out on this thread and I for one apprecaite. Quad, you are correct about the black and white. Email, forum posts, PM's, etc. all lose the "human element" at times. It is somtimes harder to understand what someone is trying to convey when you are not talking to that person face to face, or even over the telephone. We apprecaite everyone's feedback and the effort you have made to explain your thoughts. Without going that extra mile it can often leave things on the wrong foot.


HDmax, thank you for comparison of the two products. You obviously put a lot of time into your personal testing and I know the members apprecaite you opinion. After all, this place consider's its member's opinions of products as a valuable asset as that is what many people come here to read. Personally I always like to hear what other comsumers like myself think about a product when I'm trying to decide where to spend my money.


Cheers!


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Who's this ??

? 12.7 (http://www.dieselhotrods.com/quadrace.mov)

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Mack,


Wait 'til you see the good videos!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


We were trying to dial the truck to 13.00 for the True Street class a few weeks ago. Then we broke the centerlink and the inner tie rod.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif





Does anyone know who the other truck is???





By the way that was only like 108.8mph.











Edited by: Quadzilla

When and where will we get to see those videos?

Fubar,


You know what they say about never let an opportunity pass you by. Speak my brother the "Truth shall set you free"!!!!!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


you know dennis i was at an event here in texas about a month where quad a booth set up and a co. texas diesel was there as well i just happened to be at the texas diesel booth looking at the 6.0 performance volumizer that he carries and another gentleman was purchasing when quad happened to come over and put down the product that the gent. was going to purchase by saying that it doesn't work and you will have check engine light problems ect... at that point the gent. cancelled the purchase moved over to quads booth and purchased one of his units. Best tactics i have ever seen out of a so called manufacture. It is interesting to see that on all these units that if you look inside the casing that the electronics that increase the pressure and timing come from racelogic in england just because you add a knob to it doesn't mean now you are a tuner. There is no shame in putting your logo on a unit and private labeling everyone does it. It is also interesting to see that bullydog is also coming out with a 150hp piece as well let's see who is first or is it a tie or wait maybe even a delay in a release. Hmmmmhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif this is just to clear the air on how honest and your **** tactics are on putting down other products that other vedors carry that don't carry yours.


Edited by: fubar

Fubar,





First I am not going to even get involved in that conversation. That is the biggest pile of BS I have ever heard spill out of everyones mouth. Yes I said something to him, I spoke the truth. When it was said and done the gentleman in question blamed the problem on his new hire, a 16yr old kid.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif This was by no means any sort of tactics, I stick up for my company, and therefore I deal with the BS that goes with it.


Second thing that kills is me is that everyone thinks racelogics is made in England. Everyone who uses that boards finds it amusing so we will keep it at that. Also the other funny thing is that no one ever seems to be able to distinguish the different processors and populating techniques??? Grow up. The other funny thing....we don't increase pressure on anything we do? maybe you are looking at the wrong box? Or maybe you just aren't quite sure what you are looking at?


Bullydog already has a 150hp tuner, I don't, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? I have 50-70-90-110-135-165 and 215. Does that clear it up? Or do you think that I bought someones big hp tunes, and for some reason no one else has them?


I won't even engage in the "am I a tuner" debate. Proof is in the work. Find someone else that has it?





I feel like I amin High School again. It seems that I get attacked over and over, and instead of whining and crying and making crap up about other people, we jsut work harder and get further ahead??? Maybe you guys should take a hint.

So Quadzilla;


Do you know who I talked to when I called your shop? I am almost positive the guy was Mark. Do you have a Mark that works for you? Are you Mark? What about the 150hp setting I was told I could get?


Thanks!

Quad wrote:


"Bullydog already has a 150hp tuner, I don't, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? I have 50-70-90-110-135-165 and 215. Does that clear it up? Or do you think that I bought someones big hp tunes, and for some reason no one else has them?"


Quad,


I sent you a PM two days ago about the 150HP tune among other things. I know you're very busy and I'm very happy for you but unless there is a problem with our PM I think it would have been courteous to respond. Anyway since you haven't I will post again here.


I didn't mention this in my PM but I purchased your Stealth Tow Tune 50-70-90-110HP direct by phone through Mark &amp; Sara. I have used it and I am extremely happy with it and your customer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif My truck runs and shifts very, very well!! I love it! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/200.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)


Here is a paste of one question from the PM:


"When I used the tuner it mentioned a 150HP tune and I think you may have commented on a post that you didn't offer any downloads. How then does someone get the 150HP tune and what else can you tell me about it? Cost? Etc."


If others are getting the same on screen message about the 150HP tune when they use it, perhaps that has contributed to the confusion. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4_1_106.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) I don't recall Mark mentioning it to me at all. I have seen it mentioned in other posts and I definitely saw it as an on-screen message the first time I used the tuner. I don't remeber the exact wording of the on-screen message but the jist of it was, record something in order to get the 150HP tune. It may have been your 888 phone number I think but can't really say for certain.


Please let us all know what is up with the 150HP tune as we aren't making this up.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/9.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)



<SP

This had got me thinking a little, If Bully dog offers the 150hp, and our boxes all say you can get the 150hp, yet Quadzilla does not have a 150hp. (is everyone still with me?) Maybe Bullydog is the programmer, and this 150hp is only an option for Bullydog customershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


But That can't be! because Quad said that he is the programmer for his boxes.


I want the 150hp or 165hp which ever it is! After all not only does my box state it is a 150hp box on the back, and has the option in the instructions, But I talked to Mark a couple months back, and I was told at that time by Mark that I could get my box up graded to 150hp.


So here is where we start to find out about customer servicehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Just giving you a hard time Quadzillahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif But I would still like to find out what is going on with my 150hp setting.

hdmax wrote:


"But I would still like to find out what is going on with my 150hp setting."


Hey Quad, Me too!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


It's like Mac says, I'm hooked!!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/209.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)


2DAMAX





http://www.smileycentral.com/sigpc=ZSzeb005 (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb005)

Ok, yes you can get it upgraded. Did Mark tell you that you could do it over the internet or that if you wanted to we could upgrage to the next level?





The 150hp Extreme program was something that was originally going to be installed on all of the tuners. We were going to offer 3 tunes, and then you could get a password an unlock the 150hp tune. When we started tuning we found a little more than 150hp as you may be aware of?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif ALl of the sudden the 150hp seemed insignificant. The technology was bought from the company that makes the boards. SInce we were trying to ramp up we decided to go ahead and order the chipset. In this particular product the chipset has some code bunred on it. This code is permanent. WE only bought a few.....like 2,000 of them. We decided we could sell the technology to do a download and replace it with a competition tuner. WE felt that would give every individual more tuning options...4 per tuner instead of 3, and the customer could buy what he wanted. The other way we planned to have 3 tunes and the 150....thats it. Now we basically have a tune for everyone. SO back to the chipsets...we had a choice to trash them..or make them work. As you guessed by now we made them worked and unlocked the 4th tune on every tuner. We were able to make some small changed to the chipsets, but not everything we wanted. WE were able to take the 150hp Extreme choice out and replace it with "Tune 4" Now instead of Tow, Race, High Performance, we have Tune 1,2, and 3. We have no way of changing the "options" menu at this time. WE have left it out of the instructions and that has eliminated some problems. For the tuners that have the Tow, Race, etc options we included a guide on the back that tell you what hp level each tune is. Alaso after selecting any tune other than Tune 1 or TOW you will see a message informing you of what power leve you selected. It is a little confusing, but only if you want to make it that way. We haven't went through 2,000 tuners yet, but it won't be much longer and the new chipsets will be out. They will be no different other than we will remove that portion of code on them. IF it is driving you nuts, then I can swap you when we get them??





I do have a Mark that works for me....actually two of them, but only one that you would have spoke with. I can't see him as selling you a "!50" hp tuner. He may have told you that we will upgrade it....but I think something is getting a little turned. If he did indeed tell you that it would be upgraded at no extra charge or that is also had a 150hp program, I will make it right. However he has sold more than a couple of these and this is the first time I have heard something like this. LIke I said you are right until I hear differently and I will make sure you are happy.





I am terrible with pm's I never check them, and even though on this sight I get a message that pops up, I always think, well I can check it in a minute and then I don't. That is my fault and I apologize. I have about 20 msg's right now that I need to respond to, and I will do so tonight. Being busy is no excuse for not getting questions answered. I was out for most of the day to take care of some family business, and I was in the office for about 45 minutes today and I think 43 minutes I was returning phone calls. Not to mention we had 2 people out to day.





If this doesn't answer your questions fire away again or pm me.





Quad

It is not that big of a deal to me. I can live with what I have, until the new hot juice comes with the new monitor. I wouldn't want you or someone else to get in to trouble.


Have a nice evening.

It is not that big of a deal to me. I can live with what I have, until the new hot juice comes with the new monitor. I wouldn't want you or someone else to get in to trouble.


Have a nice evening. hey hdmax,i see your frustration shining through,and i guess i understand why,but quad has said he will make sure you are happy so it sounds like a win situation for you.i have bought products from about everyone thier is to sell diesel related goodies for dmax ,dodge ,and ford.and no one has had any better customer service than quadzilla.go ahead and get the bigger tune and see how you like it,i am not saying to not get the edge controller b/c i am really wanting to try one of those out to,a power junky can never have to many toys....jess

Jess; I wish I could have the playing around money that you spendhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I would love to get the tranny beefed up to handle 450-500 hp. That is really all I want, as I need my truck to last for 5 more years. I buy a new one every 6 years, reguardless of how many miles.


A 13 sec truck would be cool as hell (1/4 mile that is)

Jess; I wish I could have the playing around money that you spendhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I would love to get the tranny beefed up to handle 450-500 hp. That is really all I want, as I need my truck to last for 5 more years. I buy a new one every 6 years, reguardless of how many miles.


A 13 sec truck would be cool as hell (1/4 mile that is) hey man i know what you mean i hope this trucks lasts me along time as well,i am almost done with this horsepower game,once i get to the point i desire,i will simply refrain from the active posts and silently slip away....jess...but il still watch to see what you guys are up tohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Hey Jess


That majic number wouldnt be 600 would it?? I originally said 500 but have since changed to 600. Gonna definetely be harder to get there, and not for the reasons that everybody else is having problems. She's called the WIFE.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gifOh well i've had a good run with the reins. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif Later Jeremy

The GF was giving me smack about mods on the truck so I started letting her run the truck at the dragstrip a couple times when I'm there and now she's hooked too.

Thats not a bad idea Tomac. Maybe i should let her do a couple pulls and then she'd understand the sickness. Later Jeremyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

How did her times compare to yours? You know your in trouble when she starts beating your times http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

To make sure that never happens you turn down the power a littlehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I gues we run quadzilla off, atleast from this threadhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I knew he didn't really want to start giving upgrades out. Thank goodness for the Predahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.giftorEdited by: hdmax

You haven't run me off. It is not that easy!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I have told you multiple times that we are here to make you and all of our customers happy. You made it sound like someone at my place sold you a 150hp programmer and I wasn't holding my end of the bargain? All I said was get me the details and we will make the situation right. Your responce was its not that big of a deal I'll get my Edge?


No I don't give out hp upgrades for free. As far as I know I delivered exactly what I advertised to you. Do you not feel that the 135hp tuner gave you 135hp? If you don't I will be happy to try and make the situation right.


Yes Predator keeps giving upgrades....why? The first versions did not meet advertised specs. Then they had problems with them, then they were getting beat so they had to do something and I don't blame them. But I don't feel that it is fair to be disgruntled with me because we don't hand out free updates weekly. WE have been on the market with this for about 8wks. Yes we are going to have updates just not right this second.





Like I said, if you were told you could get 150hp, then I will personally make it right, but I think you are only telling half of the story. This is easy get a hold of me and lets get this thing handled. I am very easy going and I just want happy customers. Work with me and I will bend over backwards to help.





Thanks,





Quad

I do not recall the conversation word for word, that is why I will not come out and say I was told the 150hp upgrade was free. However That is what I believe happened.


I will not bother you anymore about this. As I get the hint you do not plan on giving any upgrades away.


As for the Predator not giving what it advertised. I can tell you that starting with V1.03 (or maybe V1.04) it did give what they promised, anyone that states other wise is either misinformed or just plain lying. I will leave it at that. As for the power upgrade in V1.07/V1.08 it is free and it did not have to be, as they did not promise it. Just good busness sense.Edited by: hdmax

hdmax it seems he is trying to make it right call him and work it out.......hey what have you got to lose....really. I dont think you will be disappointed with the call....dave

if you dont get quad leave a message he will call you back.......called me at home twice after hours

hdmax it seems he is trying to make it right call him and work it out.......hey what have you got to lose....really. I dont think you will be disappointed with the call....dave

if you dont get quad leave a message he will call you back.......called me at home twice after hours


hdmax,


I have to agree with Dave. I had Quad's email address and I'm getting my questions answered and I think he's gonna prove to be a stand up guy to deal with!



If not we can use this on him! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/548.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)


Or one of these! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10_1_14.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)


2DAMAX



http://www.smileycentral.com/sigpc=ZSzeb005 (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb005)

hdmax,


I've talked to Quad myself several times. I think you should at least give him the benefit of the doubt and talk to him. If you don't like what he has to say then fine... but at least you tried.


Just my 2 Cents...

Speaking about Quad and getting the 150HP tune I wrote:


"...I think he's gonna prove to be a stand up guy to deal with!"


Well as you can see it's been quite some time since anyone posted in this thread but my comment quoted here has indeed proven true, Quad has proven to me that he is a stand up guy to deal with.


It took me a while to send my tuner back to him but when I finally did he did the upgrade from 50-70-90-110 to 70-110-135-165 at an extremely modest price. This came about because of some confusion regarding a 150hp tune as has been discussed. Quad's solution was the 165 tune upgrade since the 150 doesn't exist.


He said he would make it right and he did!! What more could anyone want from a vendor?


My problem now is I'll need Suncoast to help me keep all the power from hurtin the alli.


Quad, Thanks!!


BTW, Gloria is an asset to your business as I'm sure you know. Please thank her as she did her part too!!


2DAMAX

Nice to hear it all worked out for ya. !!





Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifNYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax